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| Pricing videos on here can be...difficult due to how many regions are represented. Especially when someone says,"In my area you'd be lucky to get $1,500".
She's a really nice filly that has a really good handle. She's bred well and goes back to a Blue Hen mare on the maternal side. While she isn't as fashionable as if she were by DTF or one of the other big names, I'd say you could price her at $7,500-$10,000 depending on how bad you want to get her moved. She could be started on barrels tomorrow if someone wanted to futurity her. |
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| I really like her. I think $7,500 would be where I'd price her. That would be the bottom price I would take, I don't set prices to be dickered down, and I don't like to give horses away. She has a great handle on her and really nice papers. |
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| I'm going to agree with SKM about the difficulty in suggesting a price due to the different regions being represented. I didn't watch the first video you posted, but she looks like a nice horse in this video.
My thoughts on pricing are to just decide what you need/want to get out of her and then price her and see if she sells. In my mind I'm thinking $7,500+ is on the high end just because of little things, and it has nothing to do with the quality of your horse, just the way the barrel horse market is. It seems like there are certain things that are in demand, such as certain bloodlines or futurity eligibilities, even certain age ranges, and those horses sell. If your horse falls outside of those categories the market just doesn't seem to be as good. I'm not saying she wouldn't sell at the higher price tag, and my pricing opinion could definitely just be a reflection of my region. |
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Location: California | I would pass on her for $7,500 but would look at her for $4,500.
She is beautiful, big and not sorrel, so that will be advantages to selling her. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | With what still looks like obvious stifle issues, I would price her around 4000. Get them fixed and I think you can look up in that 7000 range. |
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Location: SE KS | moeman17 - 2017-08-15 3:23 PM
Where are you seeing stifle issues?
In the video I saw, "something" looks off in how she travels in the rear!! IMO |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | oija - 2017-08-15 3:11 PM With what still looks like obvious stifle issues, I would price her around 4000. Get them fixed and I think you can look up in that 7000 range.
Agreed. Soundness does reflect price so it's hard to price honestly. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | moeman17 - 2017-08-15 3:23 PM
Where are you seeing stifle issues?
Watch in her backend how she seems to want to pick up her legs a bit higher and around the barrels she is taking very short strides with her back legs still fairly close together but not really 'bunny hopping.' She is doing this because she is sore and trying to 'save' herself some pain by limiting her movement some. Look at her front legs, they sweep forward gracefully without any hindrance. This is not true in the back end. A vet will be able to show you best. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I like her, to me shes got alot of movement of her back legs, with how willing she works for you I really dont see any problems, she just steps a bit higher in the hind end. Does she have a caslick? On the pricing I would say between 4500 to 5500 maybe 6000, theres just so many on the market thats really to go run and be season at some really good prices around my part of the country.. |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2017-08-15 3:59 PM
I like her, to me shes got alot of movement of her back legs, with how willing she works for you I really dont see any problems, she just steps a bit higher in the hind end. Does she have a caslick? On the pricing I would say between 4500 to 5500 maybe 6000, theres just so many on the market thats really to go run and be season at some really good prices around my part of the country..
I see what you see. Don't really see a lameness issue. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Meep.Meep - 2017-08-15 4:14 PM Southtxponygirl - 2017-08-15 3:59 PM I like her, to me shes got alot of movement of her back legs, with how willing she works for you I really dont see any problems, she just steps a bit higher in the hind end. Does she have a caslick? On the pricing I would say between 4500 to 5500 maybe 6000, theres just so many on the market thats really to go run and be season at some really good prices around my part of the country.. I see what you see. Don't really see a lameness issue.
I have watched that video over and over and over I just see a mare with alot of action in her hind end. |
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Location: North Dakota | If you are looking for opinions, changing videos is not going to change what potential buyers see. If many of us saw what looked like a lameness issue, you are going to have your potential buyers see the same thing and either (1) ask what is wrong with the horse (2) or pass on your horse. Or some people may not notice, but a lot will (as you have experienced).
In this video ( https://youtu.be/L6ec5VIsYPo ) I see an unevenness when the horse is trotting. The stride on the hind end is not equal between the two. I realize I'm not perfectly square on the second shot, but it gives you the idea that the left hind is not collecting under the horse as much as the right hind. Therefore, I would suspect the left stifle.
Yes, the horse is young and may work themselves out of a weak stifle, so it may not be that big of a deal. BUT it may also reflect in the price of the horse if there is a problem. I am not a vet but that's what I see.
Left stifle also makes sense because I did think the horse looks worse on your left barrels, which would make sense because they aren't going to want to get that inside leg underneath them if it hurts. She's pogo-sticking with her backend around the turns (worse on the second barrel https://youtu.be/r9mzapHrlFo ), and has actually crossfired by the time you leave the barrel. Yes it is true that some horses swap around while they are young and learning, but that doesn't look to be the case in this instance. This barrel run looks better than the last one you posted but it's still there.
In this still shot, she has swapped her lead in back almost right away.
As you finished the turn, she swings her butt around to avoid putting stress on that inside hind (and she's still in the wrong lead in the hind).
At this point in time, with a lameness isssue , I'd probably shoot for $3,000 to $4,000 at the most.
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| Southtxponygirl - 2017-08-15 4:20 PM
Meep.Meep - 2017-08-15 4:14 PM Southtxponygirl - 2017-08-15 3:59 PM I like her, to me shes got alot of movement of her back legs, with how willing she works for you I really dont see any problems, she just steps a bit higher in the hind end. Does she have a caslick? On the pricing I would say between 4500 to 5500 maybe 6000, theres just so many on the market thats really to go run and be season at some really good prices around my part of the country.. I see what you see. Don't really see a lameness issue.
Agreed! I have watched all of the videos of this mare and I am not picking up "obvious stifle issues".  |
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| Yes, i put caslick on all my mares. Never sold an unsound horse. My deal with all my buyers is, get the vet check and if they not pass i pay the bill, but if they do you pay the bill. Never taken advantage of anyone and never will, and the fact that God had blessed me with honest horse people, makes it easier for me to uphold. Thanks for all your input. |
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| Just saw the other videos that you added. If I hadn't seen the video of the pattern I don't know that I would have agreed about a possible lameness issue. But with as broke as you have this mare working, I would expect that she wouldn't want to drop her leads in the back end. Also, watch her as she leaves the barrels, she appears a little uncomfortable to me. And maybe I'm just looking for something because the others have mentioned lameness/pain, but I do think there is a possibility of something going on.
Personally, if I'm going to price one in that higher range, I go ahead and have my vet do a basic lameness exam. I don't want to sell a problem, and if there is an issue I want it treated because I'm going to continue riding the horse whether it sells or not. I think in your case it would be beneficial to have your mare checked out. If there is a problem you don't want it leading to issues on the pattern. If everything looks good then you can state that in the sale ad and release her records to potential buyers. Either way, I see a trip to the vet as a positive. |
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Location: Claremore, OK | First of all, you've done a really nice job with your mare. She has a nice foundation and really wants to work and is beautiful to look at. Not having a "flavor of the month" pedigree will cost you some $ but her looks and how she works increases her value.
I do agree with what's been said. she looked really sore yesterday and not quite as sore today. She doesn't want to use her hind end and drive off the barrels, especially to the left. Watching her trot away from thr camera she steps shorter on the left hind and swings her leg to the outside before landing.
****please understand, she looks a little sore, not unsound. Might be something as simple as open growth plates in the stifle area. Might be long toes behind straining her stifles. Very common stuff for a working 3 yo.
If you find a person that isnt bothered by the way she travels I think she's worth $7k - $10k.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Liana D - 2017-08-15 7:29 PM
First of all, you've done a really nice job with your mare. She has a nice foundation and really wants to work and is beautiful to look at. Not having a "flavor of the month" pedigree will cost you some $ but her looks and how she works increases her value.
I do agree with what's been said. she looked really sore yesterday and not quite as sore today. She doesn't want to use her hind end and drive off the barrels, especially to the left. Watching her trot away from thr camera she steps shorter on the left hind and swings her leg to the outside before landing.
****please understand, she looks a little sore, not unsound. Might be something as simple as open growth plates in the stifle area. Might be long toes behind straining her stifles. Very common stuff for a working 3 yo.
If you find a person that isnt bothered by the way she travels I think she's worth $7k - $10k.
Trust what Liana has to say here. She is very wise. I was thinking she looked a little sore yesterday also |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Southtxponygirl - 2017-08-15 7:47 PM
Liana D - 2017-08-15 7:29 PM
First of all, you've done a really nice job with your mare. She has a nice foundation and really wants to work and is beautiful to look at. Not having a "flavor of the month" pedigree will cost you some $ but her looks and how she works increases her value.
I do agree with what's been said. she looked really sore yesterday and not quite as sore today. She doesn't want to use her hind end and drive off the barrels, especially to the left. Watching her trot away from thr camera she steps shorter on the left hind and swings her leg to the outside before landing.
****please understand, she looks a little sore, not unsound. Might be something as simple as open growth plates in the stifle area. Might be long toes behind straining her stifles. Very common stuff for a working 3 yo.
If you find a person that isnt bothered by the way she travels I think she's worth $7k - $10k.
Trust what Liana has to say here. She is very wise. I was thinking she looked a little sore yesterday also
Yup #LTL (listen to Liana). She knows her shiz. She really has a reputation for helping people spot and correct little issues. Like she said, she is sore, not unsound. If she stays sore long enough though, she may become unsound.
If you are going to guarantee her sound are you not willing to make a quick trip to the vet to protect that guarantee? I bet what she has is pretty straightforward, usually stuff is. Based on all the responses, you can essentially double her value if she is traveling better.
Things to consider. |
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| I bow down to mrs liana!! Thanks for taking the time and responding to my post. You are one of my favorite trainers, and if anyone knows about young horses, it's you. I watch or stalk you on YouTube all the time. I will have her checked and let you know how it goes. Thanks a million!!!!! |
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Location: Claremore, OK | moeman17 - 2017-08-15 8:20 PM
I bow down to mrs liana!! Thanks for taking the time and responding to my post. You are one of my favorite trainers, and if anyone knows about young horses, it's you. I watch or stalk you on YouTube all the time. I will have her checked and let you know how it goes. Thanks a million!!!!!
Moeman17, thank you so much for the kind words.
Again, you've done a really nice job with your mare |
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| Ever watch a turkey run? I have one that has always run like a turkey in the rear. If I were to post a video of her everyone would say she needed everything under the sun done to her. She is maintained extremely well so that is not the problem. We laugh about how embarrassing it is. She is a multiple world champion. Soooooo if the vet says your horse is good to go I would not worry about it. Tell them they can pay for a vet check. A buyer that doesn't do a vet check on a horse anyway is not being very responsible. I have had friends that took the sellers word for it and reallly got burned. $7500 seems fair to me. |
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