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| Brazil's major barrel events are called the '165 OPEN' class type events (anyone can enter). They have standardized the weight at 165 lbs including all of your tack. Riders are weighed just like race horse jockeys are before and after their run. Also inspectors look at the horse for any spur or whip marks and ride will be DQ'd if damage is excessive.
If rider and tack weighs less than 165, weights are placed in saddle pads to bring it up to 165 lbs.
FOR FUN PRETEND YOU ARE THE HORSE >>>... run around your truck three times with a 10 lb sack of potatoes and then do the same with a 50 lb sack of horse feed ... and then tell us that rider/tack weight does not matter !!!
(American race horse jockeys are DQ'd from riding in the race if their weight is over 4 pounds of the specified weight for the pending race and same goes for events like boxing, wrestling and other type events.)
MAYBE WE COULD HAVE A SUMO BARREL RACING EVENT FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT THINK WEIGHT MATTERS??? laughing ..
((this weight limit does not apply to standard barrel mixed kid-men-women barrel events, kid events, women events and rodeo events)
VIDEO ... ROLLIN IN THE FAME ... 16.489 new standard pattern record
This is a 165 OPEN event ... notice .. it is a closed arena, rider must get off of horse and lead it out of the arena, watch inspectors looking at weight pockets and condition of horses they are wearing dress sport coats, and stay alert at end of video .. watch an inspector usher the rider over to be weighed at a stand on scale....
https://www.facebook.com/diogo.zopone/videos/10154906831668505/
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| Do I think it matters? Yes...to a point.
Your example is extreme. For a 160lb person like myself the difference in a 10lb sack and a 50lb sack is equivalent to a 1,000lb horse carrying a 60lb rider vs a 300lb rider.
There are a lot more factors. I'd run around my truck a lot better with a balanced, secure, 50lb weight vest on than with a sack of feed over 1 shoulder. A horse is going to carry any rider, but especially grown adults, better if they are balanced riders.
I do think generally speaking a 150lb rider beats a 250lb rider, mounted on the same caliber of horse. But I think the difference in 150lbs vs 175lbs is much harder to call.
I do think weight makes a difference. But I think being a balanced, secure, and an effective jockey makes a bigger difference. Our races aren't simple flat track races.
I've heard the 10lbs = 0.10 second, but I think it's more complicated than that personally. |
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| OhMax - 2017-08-18 5:40 AM Do I think it matters? Yes...to a point. Your example is extreme. For a 160lb person like myself the difference in a 10lb sack and a 50lb sack is equivalent to a 1,000lb horse carrying a 60lb rider vs a 300lb rider. There are a lot more factors. I'd run around my truck a lot better with a balanced, secure, 50lb weight vest on than with a sack of feed over 1 shoulder. A horse is going to carry any rider, but especially grown adults, better if they are balanced riders. I do think generally speaking a 150lb rider beats a 250lb rider, mounted on the same caliber of horse. But I think the difference in 150lbs vs 175lbs is much harder to call. I do think weight makes a difference. But I think being a balanced, secure, and an effective jockey makes a bigger difference. Our races aren't simple flat track races. I've heard the 10lbs = 0.10 second, but I think it's more complicated than that personally.
This and I don't think I have ever read a comment on here that someone saids weight does not make a difference in a horses time. They have addressed that weight is not the determining factor in how you ride/sit a horse. I think everyone agrees, same ability and skill level a horse is going to be able to carry a lighter weight easier. I don't see the point to your post. |
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Location: on the fine line between insanity and geniusness | rodeomom3 - 2017-08-18 6:57 AM
OhMax - 2017-08-18 5:40 AM Do I think it matters? Yes...to a point. Your example is extreme. For a 160lb person like myself the difference in a 10lb sack and a 50lb sack is equivalent to a 1,000lb horse carrying a 60lb rider vs a 300lb rider. There are a lot more factors. I'd run around my truck a lot better with a balanced, secure, 50lb weight vest on than with a sack of feed over 1 shoulder. A horse is going to carry any rider, but especially grown adults, better if they are balanced riders. I do think generally speaking a 150lb rider beats a 250lb rider, mounted on the same caliber of horse. But I think the difference in 150lbs vs 175lbs is much harder to call. I do think weight makes a difference. But I think being a balanced, secure, and an effective jockey makes a bigger difference. Our races aren't simple flat track races. I've heard the 10lbs = 0.10 second, but I think it's more complicated than that personally.
This and I don't think I have ever read a comment on here that someone saids weight does not make a difference in a horses time. They have addressed that weight is not the determining factor in how you ride/sit a horse. I think everyone agrees, same ability and skill level a horse is going to be able to carry a lighter weight easier. I don't see the point to your post.
Have you ever noticed that trend in some people's posts? I knew who had posted this just by the title! |
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| Ashley Lynn - 2017-08-18 7:04 AM
rodeomom3 - 2017-08-18 6:57 AM
OhMax - 2017-08-18 5:40 AM Do I think it matters? Yes...to a point. Your example is extreme. For a 160lb person like myself the difference in a 10lb sack and a 50lb sack is equivalent to a 1,000lb horse carrying a 60lb rider vs a 300lb rider. There are a lot more factors. I'd run around my truck a lot better with a balanced, secure, 50lb weight vest on than with a sack of feed over 1 shoulder. A horse is going to carry any rider, but especially grown adults, better if they are balanced riders. I do think generally speaking a 150lb rider beats a 250lb rider, mounted on the same caliber of horse. But I think the difference in 150lbs vs 175lbs is much harder to call. I do think weight makes a difference. But I think being a balanced, secure, and an effective jockey makes a bigger difference. Our races aren't simple flat track races. I've heard the 10lbs = 0.10 second, but I think it's more complicated than that personally.
This and I don't think I have ever read a comment on here that someone saids weight does not make a difference in a horses time. They have addressed that weight is not the determining factor in how you ride/sit a horse. I think everyone agrees, same ability and skill level a horse is going to be able to carry a lighter weight easier. I don't see the point to your post.
Have you ever noticed that trend in some people's posts? I knew who had posted this just by the title!
  
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | That rider got left at that second barrel! I would've flown off if that was me.
I have never thought of it that way: Jockey's, Boxers, and Wrestlers all have to weigh in for their sport because it levels the playing field, making strength and pure talent for the event the determining factor for the winner.
I find it very interesting they have inspectors checking the horse out... Can we implement this for Mexican Rodeos? 
While my opinion is neither here nor there on this subject I find this post and video really interesting. Thanks for Posting BarrelHorseUSA. |
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Location: Durango CO | I think this is a pretty interesting post. Does rider weight matter? Yes, but then that begs the follow up question of, does the horse's weight matter as part of the equation. Posing the question to elicit conversation :). I don't have an answer . |
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| Lil_Pony35 - 2017-08-18 9:20 AM I think this is a pretty interesting post. Does rider weight matter? Yes, but then that begs the follow up question of, does the horse's weight matter as part of the equation. Posing the question to elicit conversation :). I don't have an answer . If comparing horses of the same ability, say NFR, I think level of fitness is more important and you cannot ascertain that just by weight. There are huge horses out there, Tiany's is an example, who outrun the lighter horses all the time, he can cover that ground. In addition to fitness level you have to consider stride length etc. Edited to add I saw an interview with Ryann Pedone at a big futurity and she commented that she put a little more weight on her horse because it was a big pattern. I am sure it varies by horse and what their needs are.
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Location: Durango CO | Great points! Is there science or math out there on the subject? I bet somewhere for race horses there might be. Wld be very interesting to read. I remember doing the math for star fishing and it came out something like, someone who is 130 lbs outs 800 lbs of pressure on the horse's back every time they bounce, and that is 800 lbs PSI!....pmease note my info may be off a but since I am recalling from memory and didn't post the actual math. |
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Location: Idaho | Funny... the number we all look a the scale... always fighting to be a certain "weight"...
Here is an insight... as someone who is NOT small, I don't weigh 100#, never will. I work out, I am STRONG and I am FIT and I'll tell you what, I will not MAKE that 165# with my saddle weight cut... BUT I WIN. I win and run in the 1D on mulitply horses at big and small races. I am balanced and I am a good rider. So, you won't see me in Brazil anytime soon, guess I will stick to the good USA and run at and win at whatever weight I am.  |
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| Weight absolutely matters but as others have said, I think a well balanced rider matters more. If you had the exact same rider, same ability, same horse, etc ... it would be interesting to see the difference say 50 pounds makes. I only say that because this could never truly be tested. Knowing people who have lost a significant amount of weight, their style changes when they lose the weight, their horse has sometimes aged and no longer running the same. I think it is an impossible theory to prove as far as what amount of difference it makes.
So if I weight 200# and run in the 2D with 100# riders, does that mean my horse is more awesome? |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Wow I guess a heavy rider must have ticked you off somewhere down the road. I dont think size really matters in the rider I think its all about how the rider handle themselfs and balance is the key to any rider heavy or light weight.
Why are you so obsessed over someone's weight? This is not the first thread that you have made about riders weight. 
Edit to add: Weight will matter if your floping all over your horse.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Southtxponygirl - 2017-08-18 11:30 AM Wow I guess a heavy rider must have ticked you off somewhere down the road. I dont think size really matters in the rider I think its all about how the rider handle themselfs and balance is the key to any rider heavy or light weight.
Why are you so obsessed over someone's weight? This is not the first thread that you have made about riders weight.
Is there a "Chunky but still funky" class I can enter if we go to running weight classes instead of Ds?
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | IRunOnFaith - 2017-08-18 11:36 AM Southtxponygirl - 2017-08-18 11:30 AM Wow I guess a heavy rider must have ticked you off somewhere down the road. I dont think size really matters in the rider I think its all about how the rider handle themselfs and balance is the key to any rider heavy or light weight.
Why are you so obsessed over someone's weight? This is not the first thread that you have made about riders weight.
On another note: Pretty sure I'd lose 40lbs if the girls were to get reduced...
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Location: on the fine line between insanity and geniusness | I'm not a tiny girl and never will be! BUT I ride very still and very balanced. I outrun 130 lb girls all the time that flop all over their horses and ride their bridle reins instead of their butt! Yes, I do think a horse carrying less weight can run faster... but with that being said- a heavy jockey that is fit and balanced will ride better than a lighter one that rides like a monkey and likely win more ANY DAY. |
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Location: Kansas | Of course weight matters. Assuming both are equally talented riders, put a 60 pounder on a wonderful horse like Louie and then put a 160 pounder on him running the same pattern. The difference will be at least a half second.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Ashley Lynn - 2017-08-18 12:04 PM I'm not a tiny girl and never will be! BUT I ride very still and very balanced. I outrun 130 lb girls all the time that flop all over their horses and ride their bridle reins instead of their butt! Yes, I do think a horse carrying less weight can run faster... but with that being said- a heavy jockey that is fit and balanced will ride better than a lighter one that rides like a monkey and likely win more ANY DAY.
All this^^^ I have seen heavier girls clean house many times..I dont care how light you are if you dont ride balance and quite your going to get beat by someone that is heavy or light.
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| flyhperformancehorse - 2017-08-18 8:43 AM Funny... the number we all look a the scale... always fighting to be a certain "weight"...
Here is an insight... as someone who is NOT small, I don't weigh 100#, never will. I work out, I am STRONG and I am FIT and I'll tell you what, I will not MAKE that 165# with my saddle weight cut... BUT I WIN. I win and run in the 1D on mulitply horses at big and small races. I am balanced and I am a good rider. So, you won't see me in Brazil anytime soon, guess I will stick to the good USA and run at and win at whatever weight I am.
You tell it Amanda!! I'd love to be a size 2 but it will never happen. And your horses are running awesome! |
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| I have always been told it's 1/10th of a second for every 10 lbs over
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | OhMax - 2017-08-18 8:46 AM Ashley Lynn - 2017-08-18 7:04 AM rodeomom3 - 2017-08-18 6:57 AM OhMax - 2017-08-18 5:40 AM Do I think it matters? Yes...to a point. Your example is extreme. For a 160lb person like myself the difference in a 10lb sack and a 50lb sack is equivalent to a 1,000lb horse carrying a 60lb rider vs a 300lb rider. There are a lot more factors. I'd run around my truck a lot better with a balanced, secure, 50lb weight vest on than with a sack of feed over 1 shoulder. A horse is going to carry any rider, but especially grown adults, better if they are balanced riders. I do think generally speaking a 150lb rider beats a 250lb rider, mounted on the same caliber of horse. But I think the difference in 150lbs vs 175lbs is much harder to call. I do think weight makes a difference. But I think being a balanced, secure, and an effective jockey makes a bigger difference. Our races aren't simple flat track races. I've heard the 10lbs = 0.10 second, but I think it's more complicated than that personally. This and I don't think I have ever read a comment on here that someone saids weight does not make a difference in a horses time. They have addressed that weight is not the determining factor in how you ride/sit a horse. I think everyone agrees, same ability and skill level a horse is going to be able to carry a lighter weight easier. I don't see the point to your post. Have you ever noticed that trend in some people's posts? I knew who had posted this just by the title!
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| 120 pound person on a 11 hand 900 pouND vs 175 pound person on a 16.2 hand 1300 pound horse. What ya think? Lot of variables
Ideas how about a percentage because ya can have a 13.2 pony with a 60 pound kid whip some but on a small parttern. When I was young a family friend had a sister had this poached he could do anything, Western riding he beat nice horses, Western pleasure he would beat good horses, trail best nice horses, and barrels, poles and any game so handy this pony with a 60 pound kid won a lot of trophies. Maybe a percentage of weight use 165 ÷ into horses weight. Everybody would have same percentage. Just thinking. 20 years ago I weighed 100 lb soaking wet gave some advantages but guys have more muscle. Just a thought. Like in youth little kids might be light but don't have the strength but have the lightness. |
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| daisycake123 - 2017-08-18 7:25 PM
120 pound person on a 11 hand 900 pouND vs 175 pound person on a 16.2 hand 1300 pound horse. What ya think? Lot of variables
Ideas how about a percentage because ya can have a 13.2 pony with a 60 pound kid whip some but on a small parttern. When I was young a family friend had a sister had this poached he could do anything, Western riding he beat nice horses, Western pleasure he would beat good horses, trail best nice horses, and barrels, poles and any game so handy this pony with a 60 pound kid won a lot of trophies. Maybe a percentage of weight use 165 ÷ into horses weight. Everybody would have same percentage. Just thinking. 20 years ago I weighed 100 lb soaking wet gave some advantages but guys have more muscle. Just a thought. Like in youth little kids might be light but don't have the strength but have the lightness.
This is true..
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Absolutely, positively.... weight matters, there's no way to argue that.
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Location: kansas | Heck yes weight matters, but here's my issue..... My 1d horse is only 13.3, so with her size 165 pounds to her is completely different then most horses. So if you want a completely fair race I think horses size should also be taken into account.
Granted, my mare is just a freak who loves to run barrels, but if trying to make it fair horses size needs to be taken into the equation. |
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| In any sport where you are against the clock and carry weight over a distance, the weight you are carrying does matter. The heavier the weight or the longer it must be carried matters. Have you ever watched the Olympics and seen track and field athletes (sprinters, middle or long distance runners or jumpers) and it looked like they had any ounce of extra weight? Or swimmers? Cross country skiers? No, any sport where you must carry weight over a distance it makes a difference how much weight is being carried. The more weight carried, the more effort must be exerted to move that weight. |
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| lopnaround - 2017-08-21 11:03 AM My BF and I spent Friday night reviewing slo-mo videos of the 3 year old BFA slot race from a couple years ago.
What I learned is that it's not so much how much you weigh, but where you PLACE YOUR WEIGHT and at the right time.
I also think that racehorses are so closely bred (all share similar type and lines) that it takes the variance out of the horse's build.
Race horses also run in a straight line (for most part, esp QH) so the rider's weight distribution at various points in the race is less important. The only variance then is the jockey's weight.
Great barrel horses come from different lines (SF vs DTF vs Racing vs cutting) so there's so much variance of type/build. Each type of build can handle weigh differently, esp if the rider has great feel and helps the horse.
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