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Location: LA Lower Alabama | Some areas were not expecting the flooding like they got so I can understand that. I saw a picture of an assisted living home and it really made me mad at the workers and owners but I have to rememebr that they were safe from the hurricane just not the crazy flooding going on. |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | They were told for days that they would be having "catastrophic" flooding. I would have packed up and gone for high ground. It doesn't take a mandatory evacuation order to motivate me. |
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Location: on the fine line between insanity and geniusness | This has bothered me since this whole thing started. Not only did they put their own lives at risk, but now the lives of hundreds of rescue workers. I have friends that stayed due to the amount of livestock they had, but the people that lived in downtown just blow my mind. My godmothers niece stayed initially and tried to leave yesterday, she was stranded on top of her car for almost 5 hours. |
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| Having lived in the area, I'm not surprised. People constantly are getting cars flooded out in the areas the natives know floods every time it rains.
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| Evacuating Houston would be impossible. They tried it, a couple of hurricanes ago. People died in their vehicles, stuck in traffic jams. There's way, way too many people.
Leaving voluntarily on a shoe string budget probably isn't feasible. When you've got $60 to last you till Friday, "The possibility of heavy rains", probably isn't going to be worth leaving for, or even be possible.
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| classicpotatochip - 2017-08-28 9:01 AM
Evacuating Houston would be impossible. They tried it, a couple of hurricanes ago. People died in their vehicles, stuck in traffic jams. There's way, way too many people.
Leaving voluntarily on a shoe string budget probably isn't feasible. When you've got $60 to last you till Friday, "The possibility of heavy rains", probably isn't going to be worth leaving for, or even be possible.
Just my thoughts.
This is the most realistic answer. Will add that many areas have never flooded before and the water came up fast, plus it was during the night and people could not get out in the dark. The son of a teacher down the hall from me lives in one of the towns around Houston and they had no idea that there area would flood and the water was up in there house in the middle of the night. A neighbor came and got them after daylight. She does not even know where they are right now but they let her know they are safe. |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | Some had at least the means to move their belongings to an upper floor etc...and didn't. Yes...some can't leave or don't have means...but many are just foolish. I feel for those who do not have means to go or take their things to high ground...but when every news channel and weather channel is saying "Catastrophic" flooding is coming...why would you not take every precaution you can?
And I will never understand folks deciding to drive into water. I get if the water comes up fast and catches you...but to deliberately drive into it? |
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Location: Bandera, TX | classicpotatochip - 2017-08-28 9:01 AM Evacuating Houston would be impossible. They tried it, a couple of hurricanes ago. People died in their vehicles, stuck in traffic jams. There's way, way too many people. Leaving voluntarily on a shoe string budget probably isn't feasible. When you've got $60 to last you till Friday, "The possibility of heavy rains", probably isn't going to be worth leaving for, or even be possible. Just my thoughts.
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | Another thing bothered me. The people walking in water with the electricity on. There is footage of lamps plugged in with the cords submerged in water and people chasing fish around in their houses. I mean HELLO if there is water running thru your electric sockets it might be time to flip off the main breaker to you home. Has nobody mentioned what happens to people who use the hair dryer while taking a bath?? |
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| SC Wrangler - 2017-08-28 10:32 AM
Another thing bothered me. The people walking in water with the electricity on. There is footage of lamps plugged in with the cords submerged in water and people chasing fish around in their houses. I mean HELLO if there is water running thru your electric sockets it might be time to flip off the main breaker to you home. Has nobody mentioned what happens to people who use the hair dryer while taking a bath??
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The Houston mayor told them to shelter in place.Our governor was telling people to evacuate, but the mayor threw a fit and told people to shelter in place. The last time, 2005, an evacuation took place thousands got caught on the highway during the hurricane and there were 100 or so killed. At least that is what the papers reported and they went so far as to speculate that it was a political fight between a Republican governor and a Democrat mayor. |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | streakysox - 2017-08-28 10:35 AM
SC Wrangler - 2017-08-28 10:32 AM
Another thing bothered me. The people walking in water with the electricity on. There is footage of lamps plugged in with the cords submerged in water and people chasing fish around in their houses. I mean HELLO if there is water running thru your electric sockets it might be time to flip off the main breaker to you home. Has nobody mentioned what happens to people who use the hair dryer while taking a bath??
They have told people to turn off the electricity.
Again I do not understand some of the responses (or non-responses) to the warnings that have been issued. People were talking about waking up and stepping into water on their floors. How do you sleep while awaiting catastrophic flooding from 2' to 5' of predicted rain? Not just a minor news blip, but days of continual coverage. Is it just a case of sticking the head in sand and refusing to accept what is happening? When in doubt I cannot understand how the self-preservation instinct does not kick in. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Please dont be judging these poor people, alot of these places are places that has never flooded, this is a flood making history..  |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | If anyone else is feeling confused over all this, just think how confused the flood victums must feel.. They are at a total lost at what to do at this point in their lives. :( |
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Location: Texas | I would hope people would feel more compassion than finger pointing. There are many homes and neighborhoods that have NEVER flooded in the past. I know parts of Wharton are going to take on water that haven't flooded since the 1800s.
I remember trying to evacuate with Rita- Houston was deadlocked in traffic. Horses were dumped on the side of the road from dying in trailers. PEOPLE died of heat exhaustion/stroke on the roads and no one could get to them. One of the vets I work with said by the time one client finally turned around and made it to the clinic one of the horses in his trailer had already died. Had all those people been out on the roads when this flooding hit, where would they have gone? how many cars would have been swept away?
I know people, GOOD people, SMART people, who barely got out in time before their homes took in water. They've called this an "800 year flood." It's so easy for people on the outside looking in to point fingers and cast judgment. None of the TV reports mentioned 50 inches of rain until we had already received 24 inches of it with more to come. The only report I saw of anyone mentioning 50 inches of rain was some shady Facebook repost that was getting shared... and it ended up being true.
They've had to open reservoir dams and flood homes to spare others... they say those homes will be under water for months.
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| As someone who is going through the flood these posts irritate me. I have no idea what the national news is reporting as my TV has been on the local channels for up to date reporting. Yes, there are those who live in flood prone areas who know to evacuate and the majority of those did but you still have the few who refuse to leave and then need help. The majority of what you are seeing are neighborhoods that were told if you have not flooded before stay where you are. That quickly changed and people who were following the recommendations of authorities were caught off guard. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | rodeomom3 - 2017-08-28 1:42 PM As someone who is going through the flood these posts irritate me. I have no idea what the national news is reporting as my TV has been on the local channels for up to date reporting. Yes, there are those who live in flood prone areas who know to evacuate and the majority of those did but you still have the few who refuse to leave and then need help. The majority of what you are seeing are neighborhoods that were told if you have not flooded before stay where you are. That quickly changed and people who were following the recommendations of authorities were caught off guard.
Yep this thread irritated me too, and now another big problem is fixing to happen, the rivers are going to be cutting loose and this brings more threats even to my town and we were spared all the rain that was forcasted. We got 10 inches out here but thats nothing. |
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| They are saying that the Brazos River flooding will be an 800 year record. Somehow I don't think anyone quite expected that. As far as national news, the WEATHER CHANNEL has been covering this well. Some really heart wrenching stories. Prayers for ALL of you. |
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| streakysox - 2017-08-28 3:11 PM They are saying that the Brazos River flooding will be an 800 year record. Somehow I don't think anyone quite expected that. As far as national news, the WEATHER CHANNEL has been covering this well. Some really heart wrenching stories. Prayers for ALL of you.
It is expected to flood many miles outside its banks. I know one neighborhood that all its schools are going to be underwater. Neighborhoods that are being flooded now because of the release from reservoirs will be underwater for months. Last minute shelters are being set up for these new flood victims. They have no food or supplies, grocery store shelves are empty, no gas.
Hospitals only have food thru Tuesday, many tried to evacuate once the true severity was known but could not because of the flooded roads. |
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| TrailGirl - 2017-08-28 10:11 AM Some had at least the means to move their belongings to an upper floor etc...and didn't. Yes...some can't leave or don't have means...but many are just foolish. I feel for those who do not have means to go or take their things to high ground...but when every news channel and weather channel is saying "Catastrophic" flooding is coming...why would you not take every precaution you can? And I will never understand folks deciding to drive into water. I get if the water comes up fast and catches you...but to deliberately drive into it?
Now people driving into high water, I am right there with you. Two days into the storm- so you have to assume they know flooding is happening, our local channel kept a weather cam up and as they were reporting a little Toyota drives right into high water and finally stopped when water reached the windows. I will never understand. |
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| rodeomom3 - 2017-08-28 3:35 PM
TrailGirl - 2017-08-28 10:11 AM Some had at least the means to move their belongings to an upper floor etc...and didn't. Yes...some can't leave or don't have means...but many are just foolish. I feel for those who do not have means to go or take their things to high ground...but when every news channel and weather channel is saying "Catastrophic" flooding is coming...why would you not take every precaution you can? And I will never understand folks deciding to drive into water. I get if the water comes up fast and catches you...but to deliberately drive into it?
Now people driving into high water, I am right there with you. Two days into the storm- so you have to assume they know flooding is happening, our local channel kept a weather cam up and as they were reporting a little Toyota drives right into high water and finally stopped when water reached the windows. I will never understand.
Instead of evaluating what people should or should not have done why don't you lift them up in prayer? They need that more. I have a frantic mom who is holding together pretty darn well today since has not heard from her son and daughter in law. We know they have been rescued but haven't heard from them. A lot of prayer needed. |
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Location: Arkansas | rodeomom3 - 2017-08-28 1:42 PM
As someone who is going through the flood these posts irritate me. I have no idea what the national news is reporting as my TV has been on the local channels for up to date reporting. Yes, there are those who live in flood prone areas who know to evacuate and the majority of those did but you still have the few who refuse to leave and then need help. The majority of what you are seeing are neighborhoods that were told if you have not flooded before stay where you are. That quickly changed and people who were following the recommendations of authorities were caught off guard.
Until you've been there, you have no idea. . . When we flooded in 16, places that had never flooded in recorded history, flooded. We could almost watch the water rise by the minute. My parents and Chandler and friends fought for 2 days to keep the water out of the house---on the third day it topped the poly pipe and so they had to give up and watch it come in. One of my horses went from fetlock deep at 12 pm one day to almost over his back by 10 am the next day. Please just know that I'm sure no one stayed thinking "wow I hope I get flooded in and have to have people risk their lives to come get me." All I can say is pray God you never ever have to be in their shoes to make that gut wrenching call to go or stay. . . .
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| streakysox - 2017-08-28 6:52 PM rodeomom3 - 2017-08-28 3:35 PM TrailGirl - 2017-08-28 10:11 AM Some had at least the means to move their belongings to an upper floor etc...and didn't. Yes...some can't leave or don't have means...but many are just foolish. I feel for those who do not have means to go or take their things to high ground...but when every news channel and weather channel is saying "Catastrophic" flooding is coming...why would you not take every precaution you can? And I will never understand folks deciding to drive into water. I get if the water comes up fast and catches you...but to deliberately drive into it? Now people driving into high water, I am right there with you. Two days into the storm- so you have to assume they know flooding is happening, our local channel kept a weather cam up and as they were reporting a little Toyota drives right into high water and finally stopped when water reached the windows. I will never understand. Instead of evaluating what people should or should not have done why don't you lift them up in prayer? They need that more. I have a frantic mom who is holding together pretty darn well today since has not heard from her son and daughter in law. We know they have been rescued but haven't heard from them. A lot of prayer needed.
Believe me, I have been doing more praying then ever. Those who drive into high water after repeated pleas and warnings just add to exhausted first responders already overwhelming job. |
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Location: on the fine line between insanity and geniusness | rodeomom3 - 2017-08-28 7:06 PM
streakysox - 2017-08-28 6:52 PM rodeomom3 - 2017-08-28 3:35 PM TrailGirl - 2017-08-28 10:11 AM Some had at least the means to move their belongings to an upper floor etc...and didn't. Yes...some can't leave or don't have means...but many are just foolish. I feel for those who do not have means to go or take their things to high ground...but when every news channel and weather channel is saying "Catastrophic" flooding is coming...why would you not take every precaution you can? And I will never understand folks deciding to drive into water. I get if the water comes up fast and catches you...but to deliberately drive into it? Now people driving into high water, I am right there with you. Two days into the storm- so you have to assume they know flooding is happening, our local channel kept a weather cam up and as they were reporting a little Toyota drives right into high water and finally stopped when water reached the windows. I will never understand. Instead of evaluating what people should or should not have done why don't you lift them up in prayer? They need that more. I have a frantic mom who is holding together pretty darn well today since has not heard from her son and daughter in law. We know they have been rescued but haven't heard from them. A lot of prayer needed.
They are the ones I don't understand. That and the video of the people trying to catch the catfish in their living room?! I have many friends down there and the amount of water is unfathomable at this point. The weather channel has been heartbreaking today to say the least, I can't imagine what it would feel like to watch my life get swallowed up in a wave of water. It's easy to say what we would have done, I'm guilty of doing it- but I don't think that's something you can predict until you're in that situation. I wish there were more I could do to help. We had friends go down with their boat today to help first responders and one of our clients went yesterday with his boat to get his grandparents out. They were in a home they had lived in for 50+ years and it had never come close to flooding. The media told us that this would be bad, but I don't think ANYONE could have predicted THIS! Southeast Texas needs our prayers more than our judgement, and as stated I've been guilty of it too. I just don't think anyone had a clue it would get this rough. |
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Location: Arkansas | Ashley Lynn - 2017-08-28 9:28 PM
rodeomom3 - 2017-08-28 7:06 PM
streakysox - 2017-08-28 6:52 PM rodeomom3 - 2017-08-28 3:35 PM TrailGirl - 2017-08-28 10:11 AM Some had at least the means to move their belongings to an upper floor etc...and didn't. Yes...some can't leave or don't have means...but many are just foolish. I feel for those who do not have means to go or take their things to high ground...but when every news channel and weather channel is saying "Catastrophic" flooding is coming...why would you not take every precaution you can? And I will never understand folks deciding to drive into water. I get if the water comes up fast and catches you...but to deliberately drive into it? Now people driving into high water, I am right there with you. Two days into the storm- so you have to assume they know flooding is happening, our local channel kept a weather cam up and as they were reporting a little Toyota drives right into high water and finally stopped when water reached the windows. I will never understand. Instead of evaluating what people should or should not have done why don't you lift them up in prayer? They need that more. I have a frantic mom who is holding together pretty darn well today since has not heard from her son and daughter in law. We know they have been rescued but haven't heard from them. A lot of prayer needed.
They are the ones I don't understand. That and the video of the people trying to catch the catfish in their living room?! I have many friends down there and the amount of water is unfathomable at this point. The weather channel has been heartbreaking today to say the least, I can't imagine what it would feel like to watch my life get swallowed up in a wave of water. It's easy to say what we would have done, I'm guilty of doing it- but I don't think that's something you can predict until you're in that situation. I wish there were more I could do to help. We had friends go down with their boat today to help first responders and one of our clients went yesterday with his boat to get his grandparents out. They were in a home they had lived in for 50+ years and it had never come close to flooding. The media told us that this would be bad, but I don't think ANYONE could have predicted THIS! Southeast Texas needs our prayers more than our judgement, and as stated I've been guilty of it too. I just don't think anyone had a clue it would get this rough.
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| Chandler's Mom - 2017-08-28 10:52 PM Ashley Lynn - 2017-08-28 9:28 PM rodeomom3 - 2017-08-28 7:06 PM streakysox - 2017-08-28 6:52 PM rodeomom3 - 2017-08-28 3:35 PM TrailGirl - 2017-08-28 10:11 AM Some had at least the means to move their belongings to an upper floor etc...and didn't. Yes...some can't leave or don't have means...but many are just foolish. I feel for those who do not have means to go or take their things to high ground...but when every news channel and weather channel is saying "Catastrophic" flooding is coming...why would you not take every precaution you can? And I will never understand folks deciding to drive into water. I get if the water comes up fast and catches you...but to deliberately drive into it? Now people driving into high water, I am right there with you. Two days into the storm- so you have to assume they know flooding is happening, our local channel kept a weather cam up and as they were reporting a little Toyota drives right into high water and finally stopped when water reached the windows. I will never understand. Instead of evaluating what people should or should not have done why don't you lift them up in prayer? They need that more. I have a frantic mom who is holding together pretty darn well today since has not heard from her son and daughter in law. We know they have been rescued but haven't heard from them. A lot of prayer needed. They are the ones I don't understand. That and the video of the people trying to catch the catfish in their living room?! I have many friends down there and the amount of water is unfathomable at this point. The weather channel has been heartbreaking today to say the least, I can't imagine what it would feel like to watch my life get swallowed up in a wave of water. It's easy to say what we would have done, I'm guilty of doing it- but I don't think that's something you can predict until you're in that situation. I wish there were more I could do to help. We had friends go down with their boat today to help first responders and one of our clients went yesterday with his boat to get his grandparents out. They were in a home they had lived in for 50+ years and it had never come close to flooding. The media told us that this would be bad, but I don't think ANYONE could have predicted THIS! Southeast Texas needs our prayers more than our judgement, and as stated I've been guilty of it too. I just don't think anyone had a clue it would get this rough. Very classy response. . .
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If you take a map of Houston and look at LOOP 610 ...
see if this works ..
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Houston,+TX/Galveston,+Texas/@29.728...
The south side of the loop (Astro Dome side around to the upper
NE corner is where the poorest people live and then follow I-45 to Galveston and Texas city is where the flood waters always go.
The west side of loop 610 at SW freeway now I-69 to I-10 is considered SW Houston and then up to the north side west of I-45 is considered NW Houston
where the land is higher and all the new housing and shopping centers have been built.
In the SW AND NW areas they concreted the bayous and the run off
is very swift ... as all this water even on a normal heavy rain hits
Buffalo Bayou that runs right beside downtown and then heads
south to follow I-45 to Galveston ... they never cleared or enlarged
Buffalo Bayou of trees or increased the depth to handle the
fast moving waters from SW AND NW Houston ...this time it spreads out
and backs up and floods areas that have never flooded before ..
Tree huggers wanted parks and bike/walking trails built to be
used when Buffalo Bayou is at a trickle .. so it keeps flooding.
Poor people do not have the money nor the credit cards to
jump up every time the weather people do their drama weather
reports and nothing happens ...
I don't care where you live you
know their forecasts are crazy .... here in Okla everytime a cloud
shows up ... it has a tornado in it.
As you know the weather tv people are joked about how they
keep a job when they are wrong 97% of the time.
It is kinda like dealing with auto correct ... grrrrr
There are 2.3 million people in Houston proper and when you
look at the number being rescued it is a small per centage ..
The main thing is they ARE BEING RESCUED by good red blooded
Americans and President Trump and the Texas governor Abbot are on
top of it with aid and help ready and waiting on the water to recede ..
The only thing the Houston Mayor is concerned about is if
the transgender restrooms in the parks got damaged ..
It is definitely going to be a mess and I think the right people
have plans of getting back to semi normal as quickly as possible.
I hope someone has their eyes on the insurance companies they
have been very deceitful in the past on flooded areas!! and of
course if you don't have the federal flood insurance you are
up the creek without a paddle ...
The other money grabbers are the big companies that took over the
clean up after Katrina ... hauled all the money off and disappeared.
PRAYERS AND THE BLESSINGS OF GOD is all I have to offer...
and a contribution to the SALVATION ARMY who uses every
penny they receive for that disaster ....
Where the RED CROSS does not ... they ended up with millions
in the bank after Katrina but got all the good hype from the
news media .... so think about who you contribute to in order
for the flood victims to ever see the help they need!!
AMEN...
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Location: North Dakota | All I can say is no matter what some of these victims should have/could have done differently, I've only seen people coming together and helping each other and helping the animals affected. I haven't seen anyone looting and raping, I haven't seen anyone b!tching for the government to fix everything. It's nice to see people coming together in the wake of such a catastrophe.  |
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | Stop judging people. Sometimes we make mistakes or miscalculations because we are human. Even the people driving into water you don't know their circumstances. You do crazy things when family or loved ones are in trouble. I have ran a stop sign and a red light while getting my horses and pets out. My brain is just too full for lack of anything else to explain. I'm so worried about the days to come I can't concentrate on anything too long. And I got my animals out several days before it started but I've been through it before very recently . Some have never experienced this. |
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Location: TEXAS | BARRELHORSE USA - 2017-08-29 7:05 AM If you take a map of Houston and look at LOOP 610 ... see if this works .. https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Houston,+TX/Galveston,+Texas/@29.728... The south side of the loop (Astro Dome side around to the upper NE corner is where the poorest people live and then follow I-45 to Galveston and Texas city is where the flood waters always go. The west side of loop 610 at SW freeway now I-69 to I-10 is considered SW Houston and then up to the north side west of I-45 is considered NW Houston where the land is higher and all the new housing and shopping centers have been built. In the SW AND NW areas they concreted the bayous and the run off is very swift ... as all this water even on a normal heavy rain hits Buffalo Bayou that runs right beside downtown and then heads south to follow I-45 to Galveston ... they never cleared or enlarged Buffalo Bayou of trees or increased the depth to handle the fast moving waters from SW AND NW Houston ...this time it spreads out and backs up and floods areas that have never flooded before .. Tree huggers wanted parks and bike/walking trails built to be used when Buffalo Bayou is at a trickle .. so it keeps flooding. Poor people do not have the money nor the credit cards to jump up every time the weather people do their drama weather reports and nothing happens ... I don't care where you live you know their forecasts are crazy .... here in Okla everytime a cloud shows up ... it has a tornado in it. As you know the weather tv people are joked about how they keep a job when they are wrong 97% of the time. It is kinda like dealing with auto correct ... grrrrr There are 2.3 million people in Houston proper and when you look at the number being rescued it is a small per centage .. The main thing is they ARE BEING RESCUED by good red blooded Americans and President Trump and the Texas governor Abbot are on top of it with aid and help ready and waiting on the water to recede .. The only thing the Houston Mayor is concerned about is if the transgender restrooms in the parks got damaged .. It is definitely going to be a mess and I think the right people have plans of getting back to semi normal as quickly as possible. I hope someone has their eyes on the insurance companies they have been very deceitful in the past on flooded areas!! and of course if you don't have the federal flood insurance you are up the creek without a paddle ... The other money grabbers are the big companies that took over the clean up after Katrina ... hauled all the money off and disappeared. PRAYERS AND THE BLESSINGS OF GOD is all I have to offer... and a contribution to the SALVATION ARMY who uses every penny they receive for that disaster .... Where the RED CROSS does not ... they ended up with millions in the bank after Katrina but got all the good hype from the news media .... so think about who you contribute to in order for the flood victims to ever see the help they need!! AMEN...
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Location: South Central Florida | I have been praying for them all. Someone who comes from Florida, I can honestly say no one knows what to do. The storms change directions constantly and no one predicted it would get "stuck" between two other systems and drop constant water on the same area.
We have evacuated, and we have also stayed. It depends on so many things.
I'm not sure I understand the Not being able to evacuate Houston, Florida has evacuated multipal times and NO place is more difficult to evacuate...basically 2 main roads from the bottom to the top, and only one way to go, North. At least with Houston They could go inland or North, yes horrible traffic, but at least off the coast.
I don't blame the people though. No one expected this much flooding. I'll keep praying for those in difficult situations.
Hey, another question, someone mentioned the electricity and water issue. Here in Florida the power companies SHUT OFF the power in most bad areas as soon as there are lines down. Hasn't the power company cut off electricity to the major flooded areas? I know its hot and inconvienent, but electrical deaths would be a main concern.
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| A series of slow-moving rivers, called bayous, provide natural drainage for the area. To account for the certainty of flooding, Houston has built drainage channels, sewers, outfalls, on- and off-road ditches, and detention ponds to hold or move water away from local areas. When they fill, the roadways provide overrun. The dramatic images from Houston that show wide, interstate freeways transformed into rivers look like the cause of the disaster, but they are also its solution, if not an ideal one. This is also why evacuating Houston, a metropolitan area of 6.5 million people, would have been a terrible idea. This is a city run by cars, and sending its residents to sit in gridlock on the thoroughfares and freeways designed to become rivers during flooding would have doomed them to death by water. |
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| rodeomom3 - 2017-08-30 7:17 AM
A series of slow-moving rivers, called bayous, provide natural drainage for the area. To account for the certainty of flooding, Houston has built drainage channels, sewers, outfalls, on- and off-road ditches, and detention ponds to hold or move water away from local areas. When they fill, the roadways provide overrun. The dramatic images from Houston that show wide, interstate freeways transformed into rivers look like the cause of the disaster, but they are also its solution, if not an ideal one. This is also why evacuating Houston, a metropolitan area of 6.5 million people, would have been a terrible idea. This is a city run by cars, and sending its residents to sit in gridlock on the thoroughfares and freeways designed to become rivers during flooding would have doomed them to death by water.
I didn't realize they did that with the highways. Thanks for the explanation. |
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| Evacuating Houston is a nightmare. I know someone that was stranded in houston during Rita. They thought they were going to die there and some people did.
But they might consider coming up with a plan for an ordered evacuation where they tell people closest to the areas expecting severe weather/damage to evac first and then the next closest set of people and so on and so forth. But a big problem with that is control. You really can't tell people when and where they evacuate to. Also, you have people coming up from the south as well. This I do not understand. Why are people going through Houston to evacuate? Worst possible thing you can do when a storm is going up the coast line. Told my mother to go north west, she didn't and is now stuck in Beaumont.
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| SloRide - 2017-08-30 10:17 AM Evacuating Houston is a nightmare. I know someone that was stranded in houston during Rita. They thought they were going to die there and some people did. But they might consider coming up with a plan for an ordered evacuation where they tell people closest to the areas expecting severe weather/damage to evac first and then the next closest set of people and so on and so forth. But a big problem with that is control. You really can't tell people when and where they evacuate to. Also, you have people coming up from the south as well. This I do not understand. Why are people going through Houston to evacuate? Worst possible thing you can do when a storm is going up the coast line. Told my mother to go north west, she didn't and is now stuck in Beaumont.
it is just not feasible or realistic. To evacuate the number of people you are talking about, even with a graduated controlled evacuation, you would have to start a week before the storm got here to safely move people without clogging up the highways. I don't know many who can afford to lose that work income and would agree to leave. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | SloRide - 2017-08-30 11:17 AM Evacuating Houston is a nightmare. I know someone that was stranded in houston during Rita. They thought they were going to die there and some people did. But they might consider coming up with a plan for an ordered evacuation where they tell people closest to the areas expecting severe weather/damage to evac first and then the next closest set of people and so on and so forth. But a big problem with that is control. You really can't tell people when and where they evacuate to. Also, you have people coming up from the south as well. This I do not understand. Why are people going through Houston to evacuate? Worst possible thing you can do when a storm is going up the coast line. Told my mother to go north west, she didn't and is now stuck in Beaumont.
People won't leave usually because of jobs, animals, money issues etc.
I too though have always wondered why in the heck we have hurricane evacuation signs following the coast in FL and GA. Hmm, wouldn't you use common sense and go away from the storm? |
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| rodeomom3 - 2017-08-30 10:35 AM
SloRide - 2017-08-30 10:17 AM Evacuating Houston is a nightmare. I know someone that was stranded in houston during Rita. They thought they were going to die there and some people did. But they might consider coming up with a plan for an ordered evacuation where they tell people closest to the areas expecting severe weather/damage to evac first and then the next closest set of people and so on and so forth. But a big problem with that is control. You really can't tell people when and where they evacuate to. Also, you have people coming up from the south as well. This I do not understand. Why are people going through Houston to evacuate? Worst possible thing you can do when a storm is going up the coast line. Told my mother to go north west, she didn't and is now stuck in Beaumont.
it is just not feasible or realistic. To evacuate the number of people you are talking about, even with a graduated controlled evacuation, you would have to start a week before the storm got here to safely move people without clogging up the highways. I don't know many who can afford to lose that work income and would agree to leave.
Yes and that's the other thing. Time, they just do not have it when it comes to weather forecasts. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | They did evacuate where the Hurricane was going to have a direct hit and two of those towns were Port Aransas and Rockport. Many of the evacuees got stuck at gas stations waiting for more fuel to be delivered. Both towns are basically at almost 100% loss.
Now they are evacuating more coastal towns NE of Houston because of flooding.
Some things are impossible to do and evacuting millions of people is one of them. Where do you put them all?
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| I am literally in tears at the loss of both human life and livestock. Shelters for people are now flooding, horses rescued and sent to dry barns are now flooding. This is beyond what anyone could have perceived .
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Location: Texas | I have to admit I have been hearing all week people say " why didn't they evacuate". I am kinda irritated with them at this point. Unless you are from there or have lived there it is hard to comprehend. They evacuated people who were in the direct path of he storm as well as people who knew they normally flood. They didn't want mass confusion like they had with Rita. I grew up in Florida and lived through soooo many hurricanes and when I say evacuating Florida is way easier than evacuating Houston. Like I said unless you have lived it don't judge. I have friends who have lost everything.... It's just heartbreaking. |
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Location: "...way down south in the Everglades..." | Swannranch - 2017-08-29 5:57 PM I have been praying for them all. Someone who comes from Florida, I can honestly say no one knows what to do. The storms change directions constantly and no one predicted it would get "stuck" between two other systems and drop constant water on the same area.
We have evacuated, and we have also stayed. It depends on so many things.
I'm not sure I understand the Not being able to evacuate Houston, Florida has evacuated multipal times and NO place is more difficult to evacuate...basically 2 main roads from the bottom to the top, and only one way to go, North. At least with Houston They could go inland or North, yes horrible traffic, but at least off the coast.
I don't blame the people though. No one expected this much flooding. I'll keep praying for those in difficult situations.
Hey, another question, someone mentioned the electricity and water issue. Here in Florida the power companies SHUT OFF the power in most bad areas as soon as there are lines down. Hasn't the power company cut off electricity to the major flooded areas? I know its hot and inconvienent, but electrical deaths would be a main concern.
Re: power...I was wondering that myself. Doesn't make sense.
And to anyone judging...there are countless reasons why people do NOT evacuate. Money, hurricanes are not perfectly predictable, not believing media hype, mayor of Houston not putting them in mandatory evacuation, transportation, a place to go, elderly, sick, etc. And plenty of people don't evacuate when pets and/or livestock are involved. If you have a huge ranch think about the logistics...not to mention not knowing when you'd be able to safely make it back to care of your animals. Even dog and cat lovers were in a bind as there are a substantial number of shelters that don't take pets.
Now - were there some extremely stupid people in this tragedy? Sure. There will always be people doing dumb things. But until you've walked in their shoes or could know exactly what they were thinking...how do you know? (panic? trying to save someone else? thinking water wasn't as deep as it was on road? exhaustion? ...)
The best thing anyone can do now is to offer help whether financial, physical, or just in prayer...that is what these people need right now. Living in Florida and through a cat 4, I can promise it's about the only thing on the majority of their minds right now.
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| From what I have read many didnt leave because they would have just been stuck on the freeways for hours/days and had a better chance by staying in their home. Its not easy to move 2 million people. We may never know what could have been done to make things go better but the main thing is IT HAPPENED and now what we need to focus on is HELPING those who need it. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | Not sure if this is true, but I read somehwhere that 48% of the population of Texas is affected by Harvey. You can't evacuate that at a moments notice. You can't even evacuate the greater Houston area at a moment notice. |
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| Bottom line, this storm was beyond the scope of forecast or warning. There is no way to move 6 million people. I spent the day walking through waist high water to get horses out from an area that had taken in other horses displaced by the flood, an area considered to be safe and dry and in no danger of flooding. It is just crazy the amount of area this storm has flooded. We are now dealing with the runoff and waiting for the rivers to crest. An area over 300 square miles received from 35- 50 inches of rain, it is just crazy |
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I'm so confused....