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Location: Royal J Performance Horses, AZ | Is there a #1 siring APHA barrel stallion out there?
One that has consistently brought good money when selling prospects and sired several winners?
I'm looking to breed one of my solid paint mares next year and amd having trouble finding what i'd like.
I'm not looking for everyone's favorite APHA stud I'm looking for that Resale basically. ( I know the APHA market is... limited in that sense) |
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| Only one I can think of Dash Ta Magnolia but I don't thinks he's #1 or anything |
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Location: USA | What about Cherokee Indian or Indians Image? Don't know about being number one though. As Good As Nick Gets is double registered AQHA/APHA. |
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| Look at the paint section in Fall and Winter for the past year or so
in the Heritage Place Sale and you will see paints are selling cheap.
APHA staff has destroyed the value of owning a paint horse the same
way they did the Appy horse association .... same guys now running
APHA.
With a breeding stock mare .. to get guaranteed color will be with
a homozygous paint stallion here is one ... two top paint lines
Olympia Joe and Easy Jet Too ...
Raising paints is a lost cause!! Do not confuse the name ON A HIGH
WITH THE QH SIRE ..
HIP 1032
Hitoo
300236
1995 APHA Bay/Tobiano Stallion
Robert L & Barbara Daniels
Douglas WY 82633
This is probably the largest list of APHA stallions you will find ..
http://billingslivestock.com/PDFs/2005%20BSPRA.pdf
Here is the national winners of the clunkheaded PBRIP ... the rules
change every 30 minutes ... lol
Look at the pedigrees of these horses on allbreed and shout out
if you find anything you recognize ... biggest bunch of unknown
sires//dams you will ever find ..>>>
http://apha.com/news/pbrip-awards-prizes-to-2016-top-contenders/
CRM LIVEWIRE is the only thing out there that MIGHT give you color
and has a decent pedigree .. most of paint racing stallions are crop out
quarter horses .....and they whine about having too many solid colored
foals .... duhhh ... lol
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/crm+livewire
APHA never ever had no interest in barrel racing and still don't with
the crazy rules etc etc ... and the non horse owner staff they have.
Best advice I can give you is simple ... sell your paint horses and if you
still want a paint .. go to HP and buy you something for under $2000 ..
which may be the highest selling paint of the sale ..
Here are a couple of my Storm paints that I enjoyed before the idiots
took over APHA ...
ARTIC STORM
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/artic+storm
WINNER STORM
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/winner+storm
There are really some top dog quarter horse barrel babies out
there from $6500 to $15000 ... that could pay for themselves
in the barrel arena and then even more so as broodmares!!
All you need is that one or two to make a name for yourself
and never think of buying any other horses .. lol.
As you know .. a barrel horse stallion is almost dead before
he becomes famous ... so pay attention to some of the younger
stallions with better pedigrees than the older high dollar stallions.. lol
GOOD LUCK ...
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| Around here you cannot give a paint horse away. If they are solid color registry, you just about have to pay someone to take them. I think it is an APHA problem as BHUSA said.
I will say that there are some solid paints around here that can win big time but looking at them you would not know they are paints They probably raised those and you are talking about sales. |
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| WrapN3MN - 2017-09-13 8:27 AM
Strait Firewater
My suggestion also. His babies sell well from what I've seen but I still find them underpriced compared to same bloodline in AQHA. |
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Location: NE Texas | BARRELHORSE USA - 2017-09-13 2:38 AM
Look at the paint section in Fall and Winter for the past year or so
in the Heritage Place Sale and you will see paints are selling cheap.
APHA staff has destroyed the value of owning a paint horse the same
way they did the Appy horse association .... same guys now running
APHA.
With a breeding stock mare .. to get guaranteed color will be with
a homozygous paint stallion here is one ... two top paint lines
Olympia Joe and Easy Jet Too ...
Raising paints is a lost cause!! Do not confuse the name ON A HIGH
WITH THE QH SIRE ..
HIP 1032
Hitoo
300236
1995 APHA Bay/Tobiano Stallion
Robert L & Barbara Daniels
Douglas WY 82633
This is probably the largest list of APHA stallions you will find ..
http://billingslivestock.com/PDFs/2005%20BSPRA.pdf
Here is the national winners of the clunkheaded PBRIP ... the rules
change every 30 minutes ... lol
Look at the pedigrees of these horses on allbreed and shout out
if you find anything you recognize ... biggest bunch of unknown
sires//dams you will ever find ..>>>
http://apha.com/news/pbrip-awards-prizes-to-2016-top-contenders/
CRM LIVEWIRE is the only thing out there that MIGHT give you color
and has a decent pedigree .. most of paint racing stallions are crop out
quarter horses .....and they whine about having too many solid colored
foals .... duhhh ... lol
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/crm+livewire
APHA never ever had no interest in barrel racing and still don't with
the crazy rules etc etc ... and the non horse owner staff they have.
Best advice I can give you is simple ... sell your paint horses and if you
still want a paint .. go to HP and buy you something for under $2000 ..
which may be the highest selling paint of the sale ..
Here are a couple of my Storm paints that I enjoyed before the idiots
took over APHA ...
ARTIC STORM
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/artic+storm
WINNER STORM
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/winner+storm
There are really some top dog quarter horse barrel babies out
there from $6500 to $15000 ... that could pay for themselves
in the barrel arena and then even more so as broodmares!!
All you need is that one or two to make a name for yourself
and never think of buying any other horses .. lol.
As you know .. a barrel horse stallion is almost dead before
he becomes famous ... so pay attention to some of the younger
stallions with better pedigrees than the older high dollar stallions.. lol
GOOD LUCK ...
Love my CRM Livewire filly ... late 2 yo this year. Wild and ornery when I first got her in January - now is baby dog gentle. Took to ground work and saddle fast. Can't wait to start her!!
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/wire+for+help
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Location: Running my kids somewhere. | I'm sure there is a #1 but I don't think there is one that stands out that much above all others.
Cherokee Indian sired some great horses. He was sold to Brazil in 2001 and passed away a few years later. There are a few of his sons out there. I have a gelding by A Cherokee Chance that is doing well.
Name wise...RaMax Farm has names people know or the paint sons of Dash Ta Fame.
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Location: somewhere up north | Fancie_That_Chrome_ - 2017-09-12 8:07 PM Is there a #1 siring APHA barrel stallion out there? One that has consistently brought good money when selling prospects and sired several winners? I'm looking to breed one of my solid paint mares next year and amd having trouble finding what i'd like. I'm not looking for everyone's favorite APHA stud I'm looking for that Resale basically. ( I know the APHA market is... limited in that sense)
How is your mare bred? We used to own Strait Firewater (APHA son of Fire Water Flit) and we only ever had one paint broodmare. The rest were QH's and the foals that brought the most money had better be proven or out of proven mares (themselves or as producers). The same holds true with QH, but even more true if you want any money for a paint foal. With that said there are very few of Strait's babies for sale. There definitely have been people looking for them. Most foals are kept by the breeders. Obviously he's not homozygous as he's by FWF, so there is the chance of throwing a solid foal. However, most people that buy his foals are looking for them because of their amazing disposition. I love his foals and could care less if they were solid or colored. To me I am buying/riding/raising the performance and conformation in the horse and not the color of it.
I am not sure if that helps you, but I guess regardless of what stud you consider, if your mare is not proven I wouldn't consider breeding for resale purposes. |
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| reese_tx - 2017-09-13 10:00 AM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2017-09-13 2:38 AM
Look at the paint section in Fall and Winter for the past year or so
in the Heritage Place Sale and you will see paints are selling cheap.
APHA staff has destroyed the value of owning a paint horse the same
way they did the Appy horse association .... same guys now running
APHA.
With a breeding stock mare .. to get guaranteed color will be with
a homozygous paint stallion here is one ... two top paint lines
Olympia Joe and Easy Jet Too ...
Raising paints is a lost cause!! Do not confuse the name ON A HIGH
WITH THE QH SIRE ..
HIP 1032
Hitoo
300236
1995 APHA Bay/Tobiano Stallion
Robert L & Barbara Daniels
Douglas WY 82633
This is probably the largest list of APHA stallions you will find ..
http://billingslivestock.com/PDFs/2005%20BSPRA.pdf
Here is the national winners of the clunkheaded PBRIP ... the rules
change every 30 minutes ... lol
Look at the pedigrees of these horses on allbreed and shout out
if you find anything you recognize ... biggest bunch of unknown
sires//dams you will ever find ..>>>
http://apha.com/news/pbrip-awards-prizes-to-2016-top-contenders/
CRM LIVEWIRE is the only thing out there that MIGHT give you color
and has a decent pedigree .. most of paint racing stallions are crop out
quarter horses .....and they whine about having too many solid colored
foals .... duhhh ... lol
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/crm+livewire
APHA never ever had no interest in barrel racing and still don't with
the crazy rules etc etc ... and the non horse owner staff they have.
Best advice I can give you is simple ... sell your paint horses and if you
still want a paint .. go to HP and buy you something for under $2000 ..
which may be the highest selling paint of the sale ..
Here are a couple of my Storm paints that I enjoyed before the idiots
took over APHA ...
ARTIC STORM
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/artic+storm
WINNER STORM
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/winner+storm
There are really some top dog quarter horse barrel babies out
there from $6500 to $15000 ... that could pay for themselves
in the barrel arena and then even more so as broodmares!!
All you need is that one or two to make a name for yourself
and never think of buying any other horses .. lol.
As you know .. a barrel horse stallion is almost dead before
he becomes famous ... so pay attention to some of the younger
stallions with better pedigrees than the older high dollar stallions.. lol
GOOD LUCK ...
Love my CRM Livewire filly ... late 2 yo this year. Wild and ornery when I first got her in January - now is baby dog gentle. Took to ground work and saddle fast. Can't wait to start her!!
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/wire+for+help
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HELLO HELLO .. in todays paint world this is as nicely bred as you are going to find
with excellent paints top and bottom.
FYI: CARTELS SUCCESS is owned by Bendi Dunn's husband Matt and is one of the
few qh sires producing some top paint runners.
The white slash across the neck line just screams ...
I am a LIVEWIRE BABY ... lol
Nice filly ... Wishing you lots of luck and GODSPEED!!
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | I've run into the paint prejudice recently. I have a mare that's basically a quarter horse with breeding stock paint papers. Well bred, big and pretty, was riding AWESOME, but she crippled herself in a stall accident last year. I have talked to a few people who were interested in her as a broodmare because they're fans of her daddy...until they found out she's APHA, then >poof<  |
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Location: Nebraska | My paint mare is booked to Strait Firewater. She has a yearling by Osage Spirit. He did well on the track and was started on barrels when I bred to him but it seems he's since fallen off the face of the earth. I also like CRM Livewire and he would be my next pick for my mare after my Strait baby. |
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| I'm starting to think there really isn't one. I did a ton of research last year when I chose to breed my mare while she recoups from an injury and was dissapointed by the real lack of interest in APHA studs available. I don't know if it is the lack of race records, speed indexes, current competing progency or a combo of those, but there just isn't much to pick from. To make it all worse, APHA is a registry that relies heavily off the looks of the animal, IMO, so full registry papers, color and confo TALK the loudest. It's almost like a stab in the eye to look at some of the stallions availble who have the papers, etc... but are so **** aweful to look at. To top it all off, that stab in the eye is often accompanied by a slap to the face as well when trying to talk to people about it since the first thing they will say is that "color shouldn't matter". It's like everything that follows that statement will negate any valid info that can be attained in the discussion. Earth to moron, color is absolutely a part of the equation when breeding APHA.
With all that said, CRM LIVEWIRE would have been my pick to breed my mare to. He's who I feel like would be the populuar, resell stallion of the moment. However, after feeling like I was compromising what I wanted pedigree wise, I decided to gamble and breed my Tt/W20 APHA mare to COWBOYS CARTEL.
March 2018 just can't get here fast enough now. |
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Location: NE Texas | BARRELHORSE USA - 2017-09-13 4:31 PM
reese_tx - 2017-09-13 10:00 AM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2017-09-13 2:38 AM
Look at the paint section in Fall and Winter for the past year or so
in the Heritage Place Sale and you will see paints are selling cheap.
APHA staff has destroyed the value of owning a paint horse the same
way they did the Appy horse association .... same guys now running
APHA.
With a breeding stock mare .. to get guaranteed color will be with
a homozygous paint stallion here is one ... two top paint lines
Olympia Joe and Easy Jet Too ...
Raising paints is a lost cause!! Do not confuse the name ON A HIGH
WITH THE QH SIRE ..
HIP 1032
Hitoo
300236
1995 APHA Bay/Tobiano Stallion
Robert L & Barbara Daniels
Douglas WY 82633
This is probably the largest list of APHA stallions you will find ..
http://billingslivestock.com/PDFs/2005%20BSPRA.pdf
Here is the national winners of the clunkheaded PBRIP ... the rules
change every 30 minutes ... lol
Look at the pedigrees of these horses on allbreed and shout out
if you find anything you recognize ... biggest bunch of unknown
sires//dams you will ever find ..>>>
http://apha.com/news/pbrip-awards-prizes-to-2016-top-contenders/
CRM LIVEWIRE is the only thing out there that MIGHT give you color
and has a decent pedigree .. most of paint racing stallions are crop out
quarter horses .....and they whine about having too many solid colored
foals .... duhhh ... lol
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/crm+livewire
APHA never ever had no interest in barrel racing and still don't with
the crazy rules etc etc ... and the non horse owner staff they have.
Best advice I can give you is simple ... sell your paint horses and if you
still want a paint .. go to HP and buy you something for under $2000 ..
which may be the highest selling paint of the sale ..
Here are a couple of my Storm paints that I enjoyed before the idiots
took over APHA ...
ARTIC STORM
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/artic+storm
WINNER STORM
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/winner+storm
There are really some top dog quarter horse barrel babies out
there from $6500 to $15000 ... that could pay for themselves
in the barrel arena and then even more so as broodmares!!
All you need is that one or two to make a name for yourself
and never think of buying any other horses .. lol.
As you know .. a barrel horse stallion is almost dead before
he becomes famous ... so pay attention to some of the younger
stallions with better pedigrees than the older high dollar stallions.. lol
GOOD LUCK ...
Love my CRM Livewire filly ... late 2 yo this year. Wild and ornery when I first got her in January - now is baby dog gentle. Took to ground work and saddle fast. Can't wait to start her!!
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/wire+for+help
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HELLO HELLO .. in todays paint world this is as nicely bred as you are going to find
with excellent paints top and bottom.
FYI: CARTELS SUCCESS is owned by Bendi Dunn's husband Matt and is one of the
few qh sires producing some top paint runners.
The white slash across the neck line just screams ...
I am a LIVEWIRE BABY ... lol
Nice filly ... Wishing you lots of luck and GODSPEED!!
Thanks BHU! I'm not worried about speed - staying glued to my seat will be my focus! This little filly can fly!!   |
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| streakysox - 2017-09-13 7:23 AM
Around here you cannot give a paint horse away. If they are solid color registry, you just about have to pay someone to take them. I think it is an APHA problem as BHUSA said.
I will say that there are some solid paints around here that can win big time but looking at them you would not know they are paints They probably raised those and you are talking about sales.
I have a solid paint, shes even a dun I watched her add forever and she magic showed up at christmas. They sure don't seem to sell as fast as they should. Shes in incentives and well enough breed shes a midnight corona / time line GD I love her Im glad no body else bought her.
I get why but I don't ya know? We have a couple solid paint its a shame they get passed up so quickly. |
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Location: Royal J Performance Horses, AZ | stayceem - 2017-09-13 7:28 AM
WrapN3MN - 2017-09-13 8:27 AM
Strait Firewater
My suggestion also. His babies sell well from what I've seen but I still find them underpriced compared to same bloodline in AQHA.
I love him and he would be my NUMBER ONE choice... BUT this is a granddaughter to Fire Water Flit that i'm looking to breed and a SOlid APHA horse at that. So now I'm sitting here thinking I should look for something homozygous which bring to mind MR JUDY TWO. THough he's not very well known. |
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Location: Central Texas | A friend has a yearling right now by Osage Spirit. Extremely nice and athletic filly. Not to mention LOUD.
I'm the oddball, I only buy APHA due to incentives and the registry. |
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Location: GODS country | What about Sky High Fame or A Dash Of Color (I think he might be both APHA and AQHA)?? I believe they both have nice barrel babies running now.
Edited by ecranch 2017-09-15 3:00 PM
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | della - 2017-09-14 11:57 PM streakysox - 2017-09-13 7:23 AM Around here you cannot give a paint horse away. If they are solid color registry, you just about have to pay someone to take them. I think it is an APHA problem as BHUSA said. I will say that there are some solid paints around here that can win big time but looking at them you would not know they are paints They probably raised those and you are talking about sales. I have a solid paint, shes even a dun I watched her add forever and she magic showed up at christmas. They sure don't seem to sell as fast as they should. Shes in incentives and well enough breed shes a midnight corona / time line GD I love her Im glad no body else bought her. I get why but I don't ya know? We have a couple solid paint its a shame they get passed up so quickly.
I have 3 solid paints so obviously some of us don't care which registry they're in. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | streakysox - 2017-09-13 8:23 AM Around here you cannot give a paint horse away. If they are solid color registry, you just about have to pay someone to take them. I think it is an APHA problem as BHUSA said. I will say that there are some solid paints around here that can win big time but looking at them you would not know they are paints They probably raised those and you are talking about sales.
Can you point some of us in the direction of these solid paints that they need to pay someone to take them? Sure would like to check them out. I love me a good horse even if its a solid color paint..  |
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Location: OH. IO | Southtxponygirl - 2017-09-15 7:11 PM
streakysox - 2017-09-13 8:23 AM Around here you cannot give a paint horse away. If they are solid color registry, you just about have to pay someone to take them. I think it is an APHA problem as BHUSA said. I will say that there are some solid paints around here that can win big time but looking at them you would not know they are paints They probably raised those and you are talking about sales.
Can you point some of us in the direction of these solid paints that they need to pay someone to take them? Sure would like to check them out. I love me a good horse even if its a solid color paint..
Yes please,I don't even need a name brand,just a nice short trail horse! |
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http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/flashin+sixes2
My line both solid paint. Athletic, smart, very well put together. I try to Judge the individual as well as the pedigree, color means nothing to me, but if you are looking for resale value then you have to stay away for paints.
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Location: TX | Scenics Symbol might be a stud to look at.
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Location: Royal J Performance Horses, AZ | getacheck - 2017-09-15 8:47 PM
Scenics Symbol might be a stud to look at.
ah hes an NFR siring stallion. But do you know who to contact? I tried to research him with no luck. |
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