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| What do you think of this pedigree? Is it worth getting or breeding? If so what stallion would you recommend? The mare has amazing legs and a great mind. She is a great all around horse and I was told she was a consistent top 2D horse with occasional 1D. She is also a solid head/heel horse. If I had to fault her conformation she is *slightly* longer through the back than I care for and I would like to see more slope on her croup. I don't want to post pictures because she isn't mine. Yet... :) Thank you so much for your time.
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| Based on what you are describing with her being a solid rope horse, her good legs and mind, and in looking at her pedigree, she sounds like she's built solid. If she's the real deal that you're looking for, I say buy her! Pedigrees only mean so much when you find the right horse.
One stallion I am a HUGE fan of is Jesse James Jr (Mr Jess Perry x Loose Lips by FDD). He would add speed and mind, as well as conformation. https://www.stallionesearch.com/show_stallion.asp?horse=372 (ETA- his stud fee is $3500 I think, so that might be a limiting factor.)
Another stallion I love is Hired Gun (Playgun x Peppys Serenade by PSB). We bred our TB mare to him to add some grit and cow, and he is the real deal, just a sweetheart of a stallion. (stud fee $1500)
I also really like Fiestas Gotta Gun (Playgun x Firewater Fiesta). Obviously you can't go wrong with Firewater Fiesta, or Playgun. That would also add some more speed, plus cow, and keep the great conformation. We are breeding our TB mare to him next spring. (stud fee $1250)
What discipline would you be promoting the possible foal in? Roping? Barrels? There are so many good stallions out there, her bloodlines would cross great with pretty much anything!
Good luck!
PS- speaking of buying what you want, we just purchased a 3yo The Continental/Skipper W mare that came off the range and had never been touched. We liked the looks of her before we knew much about her, but her dam and sire were on site and they are both very talented horses, great minds, conformation, etc. so we took a risk and she is coming along great!
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| Are you looking to raise foals for yourself, or are you planning to sell. If selling prospects is your goal, I would say this mare is not going to produce foals that are highly marketable. That is not taking anything away from her, but when people shop for prospects they look at papers. She is not an own daughter of a well-known stallion, and her bottom side doesn't scream barrel prospects. And whether the perception is true or not, some people see Hancock and run! If you like the mare and want to ride her babies, then go for it. I love raising foals and don't want to discourage you, just want to give you an honest opinion about what the market looks like for a foal out of this mare.
As far as stallion recommendations, if resale is your goal then go with a proven stallion that has a high demand for foals. People will sometimes overlook a weak bottom side if the foal is by a big name. I would probably limit my fee to the $1,000-$1,500 range, because your goal is to cover your expenses and hopefully make a little money. You have to decide what kind of value you can place on a foal out of your mare to determine what kind of money you can put into her. | |
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| Yeah, she's really a good girl and a trooper too. Not marish and a worker bee. She isn't friendly but she's super gritty. I watched her head/heel and if she had thumbs she wouldn't need a rider LOL. She ran barrels with the wife and the husband that owned her then she sent her 6 and 7-year-old out to lope exhibitions on her and she went out in this little WP lope with the kids just hanging on. She knows her job for sure.
I would like to get more with that kind of work ethic and toughness. I was an eventer for about 16ish years and got injured and started roping/ranch work(Using a lot of Hancock horses) and then started endurance. I also have Arabians haha. With her, I would like to get into barrel racing and possibly some rodeo. If I got a quality enough prospect out of her I wouldn't be opposed to sending it for training/campaigning etc or even doing it myself once I've learned more.
I love the look of all the stallions you recommended and now I'm researching them so thank you! If you have anything else to add I'm always looking for more education. Especially starting out in something new to me. :) | |
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| madredepeanut - 2017-09-16 1:40 AM
Based on what you are describing with her being a solid rope horse, her good legs and mind, and in looking at her pedigree, she sounds like she's built solid. If she's the real deal that you're looking for, I say buy her! Pedigrees only mean so much when you find the right horse.
One stallion I am a HUGE fan of is Jesse James Jr (Mr Jess Perry x Loose Lips by FDD ). He would add speed and mind, as well as conformation. https://www.stallionesearch.com/show_stallion.asp?horse=372 (ETA- his stud fee is $3500 I think, so that might be a limiting factor. )
Another stallion I love is Hired Gun (Playgun x Peppys Serenade by PSB ). We bred our TB mare to him to add some grit and cow, and he is the real deal, just a sweetheart of a stallion. (stud fee $1500 )
I also really like Fiestas Gotta Gun (Playgun x Firewater Fiesta ). Obviously you can't go wrong with Firewater Fiesta, or Playgun. That would also add some more speed, plus cow, and keep the great conformation. We are breeding our TB mare to him next spring. (stud fee $1250 )
What discipline would you be promoting the possible foal in? Roping? Barrels? There are so many good stallions out there, her bloodlines would cross great with pretty much anything!
Good luck!
PS- speaking of buying what you want, we just purchased a 3yo The Continental/Skipper W mare that came off the range and had never been touched. We liked the looks of her before we knew much about her, but her dam and sire were on site and they are both very talented horses, great minds, conformation, etc. so we took a risk and she is coming along great!
Yeah, she's really a good girl and a trooper too. Not marish and a worker bee. She isn't friendly but she's super gritty. I watched her head/heel and if she had thumbs she wouldn't need a rider LOL. She ran barrels with the wife and the husband that owned her then she sent her 6 and 7-year-old out to lope exhibitions on her and she went out in this little WP lope with the kids just hanging on. She knows her job for sure.
I would like to get more with that kind of work ethic and toughness. I was an eventer for about 16ish years and got injured and started roping/ranch work(Using a lot of Hancock horses) and then started endurance. I also have Arabians haha. With her, I would like to get into barrel racing and possibly some rodeo. If I got a quality enough prospect out of her I wouldn't be opposed to sending it for training/campaigning etc or even doing it myself once I've learned more.
I love the look of all the stallions you recommended and now I'm researching them so thank you! If you have anything else to add I'm always looking for more education. Especially starting out in something new to me. :) | |
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| Jenbabe - 2017-09-16 10:52 AM
Are you looking to raise foals for yourself, or are you planning to sell. If selling prospects is your goal, I would say this mare is not going to produce foals that are highly marketable. That is not taking anything away from her, but when people shop for prospects they look at papers. She is not an own daughter of a well-known stallion, and her bottom side doesn't scream barrel prospects. And whether the perception is true or not, some people see Hancock and run! If you like the mare and want to ride her babies, then go for it. I love raising foals and don't want to discourage you, just want to give you an honest opinion about what the market looks like for a foal out of this mare.
As far as stallion recommendations, if resale is your goal then go with a proven stallion that has a high demand for foals. People will sometimes overlook a weak bottom side if the foal is by a big name. I would probably limit my fee to the $1,000-$1,500 range, because your goal is to cover your expenses and hopefully make a little money. You have to decide what kind of value you can place on a foal out of your mare to determine what kind of money you can put into her.
This is really helpful. Sort of what I was afraid of with the Hancocks too. I personally get along well with them(probably because I'm a stubborn butt too LOL) but I definitely know that some won't touch them. I would be breeding for me, but everything on my place is for sale or for food. ;) So if a buyer came along I would of course sell.
I think sticking to that range in stud fee is smart. I would like to get something out of her that I could be competitive on and maybe later, after it's proven, breed it too. I need to start looking around at some other Barrel Bred mares also. I think I will get her mostly because it's nice to have a good using/husband horse and I will likely breed her. What stallions/lines would you think would work well with that pedigree?
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madredepeanut - 2017-09-16 1:40 AM
Based on what you are describing with her being a solid rope horse, her good legs and mind, and in looking at her pedigree, she sounds like she's built solid. If she's the real deal that you're looking for, I say buy her! Pedigrees only mean so much when you find the right horse.
One stallion I am a HUGE fan of is Jesse James Jr (Mr Jess Perry x Loose Lips by FDD ). He would add speed and mind, as well as conformation. https://www.stallionesearch.com/show_stallion.asp?horse=372 (ETA- his stud fee is $3500 I think, so that might be a limiting factor. )
Another stallion I love is Hired Gun (Playgun x Peppys Serenade by PSB ). We bred our TB mare to him to add some grit and cow, and he is the real deal, just a sweetheart of a stallion. (stud fee $1500 )
I also really like Fiestas Gotta Gun (Playgun x Firewater Fiesta ). Obviously you can't go wrong with Firewater Fiesta, or Playgun. That would also add some more speed, plus cow, and keep the great conformation. We are breeding our TB mare to him next spring. (stud fee $1250 )
What discipline would you be promoting the possible foal in? Roping? Barrels? There are so many good stallions out there, her bloodlines would cross great with pretty much anything!
Good luck!
PS- speaking of buying what you want, we just purchased a 3yo The Continental/Skipper W mare that came off the range and had never been touched. We liked the looks of her before we knew much about her, but her dam and sire were on site and they are both very talented horses, great minds, conformation, etc. so we took a risk and she is coming along great!
Yeah, she's really a good girl and a trooper too. Not marish and a worker bee. She isn't friendly but she's super gritty. I watched her head/heel and if she had thumbs she wouldn't need a rider LOL. She ran barrels with the wife and the husband that owned her then she sent her 6 and 7-year-old out to lope exhibitions on her and she went out in this little WP lope with the kids just hanging on. She knows her job for sure.
I would like to get more with that kind of work ethic and toughness. I was an eventer for about 16ish years and got injured and started roping/ranch work (Using a lot of Hancock horses ) and then started endurance. I also have Arabians haha. With her, I would like to get into barrel racing and possibly some rodeo. If I got a quality enough prospect out of her I wouldn't be opposed to sending it for training/campaigning etc or even doing it myself once I've learned more.
I love the look of all the stallions you recommended and now I'm researching them so thank you! If you have anything else to add I'm always looking for more education. Especially starting out in something new to me. : )
She sounds like a heck of a horse! And you sound like you have quite the background yourself! Please keep us posted on how you come along together, I think it's going to be a fun ride for you two!
I agree with the other poster about staying within a certain range for stud fees, a general rule of thumb is the stud fee shouldn't be more than 20% of what the mare is worth (at least in the TB racing world). Even if she is priceless to you, if you want to market her foals, you don't want to have so much money in to them before they even hit the ground that you can't make a profit.
In thinking of a future foal, what would be your ideal? Are you hoping for more speed, more quickness/cattiness, more refined, etc? Based on her bloodlines, and what you are choosing to do with her, you could pretty much go any direction with a future foal. Cowboy mounted shooting, barrels, roping, cowboy dressage, anything really!
Here's a few more studs in that $1000-$2000 range, maybe one will pique your interest 
Desirio, Strawfly Special x Lady Tenaya by Sixarun, 2017 stud fee was $2000 (SI 116 and has some super nice runners, for added speed in a foal)
Guitar Gun, Playgun x Dainty Lena by Smart Little Lena, 2016 stud fee was $800 (couldn't find 2017 stud fee, but he throws beautiful and good minded foals)
PG Dry Fire, Playgun x The Dry Look by Dry Doc, 2017 stud fee was $1500 (another Playgun, he has a junior high girl roping off of him, I've seen a lot of his foals in person and they are all fantastic)
Gotta Good Habit, Strawfly Special x First Femme by FDD, 2015 stud fee $1500 (he has AQHA points in racing, halter, performance halter, HUS, and heading-- talk about versatile!)
Hopefully those give you a few more options to think about!
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madredepeanut - 2017-09-16 1:40 AM
Based on what you are describing with her being a solid rope horse, her good legs and mind, and in looking at her pedigree, she sounds like she's built solid. If she's the real deal that you're looking for, I say buy her! Pedigrees only mean so much when you find the right horse.
One stallion I am a HUGE fan of is Jesse James Jr (Mr Jess Perry x Loose Lips by FDD ). He would add speed and mind, as well as conformation. https://www.stallionesearch.com/show_stallion.asp?horse=372 (ETA- his stud fee is $3500 I think, so that might be a limiting factor. )
Another stallion I love is Hired Gun (Playgun x Peppys Serenade by PSB ). We bred our TB mare to him to add some grit and cow, and he is the real deal, just a sweetheart of a stallion. (stud fee $1500 )
I also really like Fiestas Gotta Gun (Playgun x Firewater Fiesta ). Obviously you can't go wrong with Firewater Fiesta, or Playgun. That would also add some more speed, plus cow, and keep the great conformation. We are breeding our TB mare to him next spring. (stud fee $1250 )
What discipline would you be promoting the possible foal in? Roping? Barrels? There are so many good stallions out there, her bloodlines would cross great with pretty much anything!
Good luck!
PS- speaking of buying what you want, we just purchased a 3yo The Continental/Skipper W mare that came off the range and had never been touched. We liked the looks of her before we knew much about her, but her dam and sire were on site and they are both very talented horses, great minds, conformation, etc. so we took a risk and she is coming along great!
Yeah, she's really a good girl and a trooper too. Not marish and a worker bee. She isn't friendly but she's super gritty. I watched her head/heel and if she had thumbs she wouldn't need a rider LOL. She ran barrels with the wife and the husband that owned her then she sent her 6 and 7-year-old out to lope exhibitions on her and she went out in this little WP lope with the kids just hanging on. She knows her job for sure.
I would like to get more with that kind of work ethic and toughness. I was an eventer for about 16ish years and got injured and started roping/ranch work (Using a lot of Hancock horses ) and then started endurance. I also have Arabians haha. With her, I would like to get into barrel racing and possibly some rodeo. If I got a quality enough prospect out of her I wouldn't be opposed to sending it for training/campaigning etc or even doing it myself once I've learned more.
I love the look of all the stallions you recommended and now I'm researching them so thank you! If you have anything else to add I'm always looking for more education. Especially starting out in something new to me. : )
She sounds like a heck of a horse! And you sound like you have quite the background yourself! Please keep us posted on how you come along together, I think it's going to be a fun ride for you two!
I agree with the other poster about staying within a certain range for stud fees, a general rule of thumb is the stud fee shouldn't be more than 20% of what the mare is worth (at least in the TB racing world ). Even if she is priceless to you, if you want to market her foals, you don't want to have so much money in to them before they even hit the ground that you can't make a profit.
In thinking of a future foal, what would be your ideal? Are you hoping for more speed, more quickness/cattiness, more refined, etc? Based on her bloodlines, and what you are choosing to do with her, you could pretty much go any direction with a future foal. Cowboy mounted shooting, barrels, roping, cowboy dressage, anything really!
Here's a few more studs in that $1000-$2000 range, maybe one will pique your interest
Desirio, Strawfly Special x Lady Tenaya by Sixarun, 2017 stud fee was $2000 (SI 116 and has some super nice runners, for added speed in a foal )
Guitar Gun, Playgun x Dainty Lena by Smart Little Lena, 2016 stud fee was $800 (couldn't find 2017 stud fee, but he throws beautiful and good minded foals )
PG Dry Fire, Playgun x The Dry Look by Dry Doc, 2017 stud fee was $1500 (another Playgun, he has a junior high girl roping off of him, I've seen a lot of his foals in person and they are all fantastic )
Gotta Good Habit, Strawfly Special x First Femme by FDD, 2015 stud fee $1500 (he has AQHA points in racing, halter, performance halter, HUS, and heading-- talk about versatile! )
Hopefully those give you a few more options to think about!
She is and I will be happy to keep posting about our progress. I am hoping she will teach me a little about barrels. I have always wanted to try running barrels competitively(Jackpots/rodeo/etc) but honestly, I have never been in a position to do so(lack of horse/know how). I have actually only ran once competitively and I loved it. However, it was on an automatic horse and I was awful. It was for a ranch rodeo and they didn't even tell me I would be running barrels until I got there. I borrowed another competitors horse to do it. I was actually the second roper and wild cow milker for our group but apparently, the female runs the barrels. I didn't even know to grab the horn and ran in my roping saddle. I was literally trying to watch other girls so I would know the pattern. So I took some "lessons" which was interesting and kind of stopped me for a few years. Now I'm back to try again. I have ordered some Sherry Cervi videos and am looking for clinics to audit and whatnot.
Yeah I definitely don't want to get carried away on stud fees with her. The 20% rule of thumb makes sense too.
My future foal ideally would be competitive at barrels on a rodeo/1D level. I'm 5'11" and weight 160-170lbs so it needs to be fairly tall. Not warmblood tall but 15.2 or a little taller would be nice. Just for my comfort, I know that smaller horses can haul butt and win. The mare is grey so color really doesn't matter. If the foal is competitive at barrels I feel like it can definitely rope and maybe some mounted shooting later.
Oh my, Desirio is so nice. I love the Play Gun horses. Gotta Good Habit is super nice too and so versatile. I love his mind. He looks like a really solid "using" horse.
I noticed you didn't recommend any Frenchmans Guy type horses. That's totally fine. I was just wondering if there was a reason or they don't cross well on her type of breeding. I'm only asking because I see so many of them out there. I thought they were super popular. :) Thank you for chatting with me. I really appreciate the opportunity to learn. | |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Frenchmans Guy studs would overemphasize the Hancock quirks on the bottom side of your mare. I would avoid.
Take a look at Bullseye Bullion, super nice stallion. Total outcross for you.
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| SmoothIsFast - 2017-09-18 7:20 AM
madredepeanut - 2017-09-17 2:56 AM
SmoothIsFast - 2017-09-16 8:37 AM
madredepeanut - 2017-09-16 1:40 AM
Based on what you are describing with her being a solid rope horse, her good legs and mind, and in looking at her pedigree, she sounds like she's built solid. If she's the real deal that you're looking for, I say buy her! Pedigrees only mean so much when you find the right horse.
One stallion I am a HUGE fan of is Jesse James Jr (Mr Jess Perry x Loose Lips by FDD ). He would add speed and mind, as well as conformation. https://www.stallionesearch.com/show_stallion.asp?horse=372 (ETA- his stud fee is $3500 I think, so that might be a limiting factor. )
Another stallion I love is Hired Gun (Playgun x Peppys Serenade by PSB ). We bred our TB mare to him to add some grit and cow, and he is the real deal, just a sweetheart of a stallion. (stud fee $1500 )
I also really like Fiestas Gotta Gun (Playgun x Firewater Fiesta ). Obviously you can't go wrong with Firewater Fiesta, or Playgun. That would also add some more speed, plus cow, and keep the great conformation. We are breeding our TB mare to him next spring. (stud fee $1250 )
What discipline would you be promoting the possible foal in? Roping? Barrels? There are so many good stallions out there, her bloodlines would cross great with pretty much anything!
Good luck!
PS- speaking of buying what you want, we just purchased a 3yo The Continental/Skipper W mare that came off the range and had never been touched. We liked the looks of her before we knew much about her, but her dam and sire were on site and they are both very talented horses, great minds, conformation, etc. so we took a risk and she is coming along great!
Yeah, she's really a good girl and a trooper too. Not marish and a worker bee. She isn't friendly but she's super gritty. I watched her head/heel and if she had thumbs she wouldn't need a rider LOL. She ran barrels with the wife and the husband that owned her then she sent her 6 and 7-year-old out to lope exhibitions on her and she went out in this little WP lope with the kids just hanging on. She knows her job for sure.
I would like to get more with that kind of work ethic and toughness. I was an eventer for about 16ish years and got injured and started roping/ranch work (Using a lot of Hancock horses ) and then started endurance. I also have Arabians haha. With her, I would like to get into barrel racing and possibly some rodeo. If I got a quality enough prospect out of her I wouldn't be opposed to sending it for training/campaigning etc or even doing it myself once I've learned more.
I love the look of all the stallions you recommended and now I'm researching them so thank you! If you have anything else to add I'm always looking for more education. Especially starting out in something new to me. : )
She sounds like a heck of a horse! And you sound like you have quite the background yourself! Please keep us posted on how you come along together, I think it's going to be a fun ride for you two!
I agree with the other poster about staying within a certain range for stud fees, a general rule of thumb is the stud fee shouldn't be more than 20% of what the mare is worth (at least in the TB racing world ). Even if she is priceless to you, if you want to market her foals, you don't want to have so much money in to them before they even hit the ground that you can't make a profit.
In thinking of a future foal, what would be your ideal? Are you hoping for more speed, more quickness/cattiness, more refined, etc? Based on her bloodlines, and what you are choosing to do with her, you could pretty much go any direction with a future foal. Cowboy mounted shooting, barrels, roping, cowboy dressage, anything really!
Here's a few more studs in that $1000-$2000 range, maybe one will pique your interest
Desirio, Strawfly Special x Lady Tenaya by Sixarun, 2017 stud fee was $2000 (SI 116 and has some super nice runners, for added speed in a foal )
Guitar Gun, Playgun x Dainty Lena by Smart Little Lena, 2016 stud fee was $800 (couldn't find 2017 stud fee, but he throws beautiful and good minded foals )
PG Dry Fire, Playgun x The Dry Look by Dry Doc, 2017 stud fee was $1500 (another Playgun, he has a junior high girl roping off of him, I've seen a lot of his foals in person and they are all fantastic )
Gotta Good Habit, Strawfly Special x First Femme by FDD, 2015 stud fee $1500 (he has AQHA points in racing, halter, performance halter, HUS, and heading-- talk about versatile! )
Hopefully those give you a few more options to think about!
She is and I will be happy to keep posting about our progress. I am hoping she will teach me a little about barrels. I have always wanted to try running barrels competitively (Jackpots/rodeo/etc ) but honestly, I have never been in a position to do so (lack of horse/know how ). I have actually only ran once competitively and I loved it. However, it was on an automatic horse and I was awful. It was for a ranch rodeo and they didn't even tell me I would be running barrels until I got there. I borrowed another competitors horse to do it. I was actually the second roper and wild cow milker for our group but apparently, the female runs the barrels. I didn't even know to grab the horn and ran in my roping saddle. I was literally trying to watch other girls so I would know the pattern. So I took some "lessons" which was interesting and kind of stopped me for a few years. Now I'm back to try again. I have ordered some Sherry Cervi videos and am looking for clinics to audit and whatnot.
Yeah I definitely don't want to get carried away on stud fees with her. The 20% rule of thumb makes sense too.
My future foal ideally would be competitive at barrels on a rodeo/1D level. I'm 5'11" and weight 160-170lbs so it needs to be fairly tall. Not warmblood tall but 15.2 or a little taller would be nice. Just for my comfort, I know that smaller horses can haul butt and win. The mare is grey so color really doesn't matter. If the foal is competitive at barrels I feel like it can definitely rope and maybe some mounted shooting later.
Oh my, Desirio is so nice. I love the Play Gun horses. Gotta Good Habit is super nice too and so versatile. I love his mind. He looks like a really solid "using" horse.
I noticed you didn't recommend any Frenchmans Guy type horses. That's totally fine. I was just wondering if there was a reason or they don't cross well on her type of breeding. I'm only asking because I see so many of them out there. I thought they were super popular. : ) Thank you for chatting with me. I really appreciate the opportunity to learn.
Well hopefully she will be a jam up mare and help you become a better barrel racer! It is definitely tough taking "lessons" and having that steer you away from the sport, so I hope you get more arrows for your quiver with the Sherry Cervi videos
I understand on wanting a taller horse for your comfort level, how tall is your mare? And she is grey? I love a good grey! I love having a horse that can run barrels, go out into the trails and then come work cows, so I understand your desire on wanting that all-around horse too!
You're right, I didn't recommend any FG horses. Personal opinion only, but the ones I have seen have been very quirky and lazy, so they try to cheat their way through things, which to me correlates to a horse that's not solid. I know some FG horses are amazing athletes and fantastic horses, but I don't think it's worth the fight to make them that way, and that is my opinion. I do agree with the other poster that FG probably wouldn't cross well with the Hancock, one strong personality line is enough sometimes  Personally, there are many other bloodlines I would seek out first, like the Playguns (which I would probably cross on almost anything, I am such a fan).
Good luck with your mare and like I said, keep us posted! Especially on if you choose to breed her and which stallion you decide on
 And how your barrel racing journey is going!!
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| Whiteboy - 2017-09-18 11:05 AM
I disagree with the 20% rule. The driving factor in breeding should always to be to create an outstanding individual. That generally means breeding to the highest quality stud you can afford.
I understand what you are saying, but sometimes practicality needs to set in and one has to think about the marketability of a foal when (for example) you have a $1000 unproven mare and you breed her to a stallion whose fee is $7500. I wish money wasn't a factor, because there are SO MANY amazing stallions out there... I dream of all the stallions I want to breed my mares to | |
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Location: Arkansas | SmoothIsFast - 2017-09-18 9:20 AM
madredepeanut - 2017-09-17 2:56 AM
SmoothIsFast - 2017-09-16 8:37 AM
madredepeanut - 2017-09-16 1:40 AM
Based on what you are describing with her being a solid rope horse, her good legs and mind, and in looking at her pedigree, she sounds like she's built solid. If she's the real deal that you're looking for, I say buy her! Pedigrees only mean so much when you find the right horse.
One stallion I am a HUGE fan of is Jesse James Jr (Mr Jess Perry x Loose Lips by FDD ). He would add speed and mind, as well as conformation. https://www.stallionesearch.com/show_stallion.asp?horse=372 (ETA- his stud fee is $3500 I think, so that might be a limiting factor. )
Another stallion I love is Hired Gun (Playgun x Peppys Serenade by PSB ). We bred our TB mare to him to add some grit and cow, and he is the real deal, just a sweetheart of a stallion. (stud fee $1500 )
I also really like Fiestas Gotta Gun (Playgun x Firewater Fiesta ). Obviously you can't go wrong with Firewater Fiesta, or Playgun. That would also add some more speed, plus cow, and keep the great conformation. We are breeding our TB mare to him next spring. (stud fee $1250 )
What discipline would you be promoting the possible foal in? Roping? Barrels? There are so many good stallions out there, her bloodlines would cross great with pretty much anything!
Good luck!
PS- speaking of buying what you want, we just purchased a 3yo The Continental/Skipper W mare that came off the range and had never been touched. We liked the looks of her before we knew much about her, but her dam and sire were on site and they are both very talented horses, great minds, conformation, etc. so we took a risk and she is coming along great!
Yeah, she's really a good girl and a trooper too. Not marish and a worker bee. She isn't friendly but she's super gritty. I watched her head/heel and if she had thumbs she wouldn't need a rider LOL. She ran barrels with the wife and the husband that owned her then she sent her 6 and 7-year-old out to lope exhibitions on her and she went out in this little WP lope with the kids just hanging on. She knows her job for sure.
I would like to get more with that kind of work ethic and toughness. I was an eventer for about 16ish years and got injured and started roping/ranch work (Using a lot of Hancock horses ) and then started endurance. I also have Arabians haha. With her, I would like to get into barrel racing and possibly some rodeo. If I got a quality enough prospect out of her I wouldn't be opposed to sending it for training/campaigning etc or even doing it myself once I've learned more.
I love the look of all the stallions you recommended and now I'm researching them so thank you! If you have anything else to add I'm always looking for more education. Especially starting out in something new to me. : )
She sounds like a heck of a horse! And you sound like you have quite the background yourself! Please keep us posted on how you come along together, I think it's going to be a fun ride for you two!
I agree with the other poster about staying within a certain range for stud fees, a general rule of thumb is the stud fee shouldn't be more than 20% of what the mare is worth (at least in the TB racing world ). Even if she is priceless to you, if you want to market her foals, you don't want to have so much money in to them before they even hit the ground that you can't make a profit.
In thinking of a future foal, what would be your ideal? Are you hoping for more speed, more quickness/cattiness, more refined, etc? Based on her bloodlines, and what you are choosing to do with her, you could pretty much go any direction with a future foal. Cowboy mounted shooting, barrels, roping, cowboy dressage, anything really!
Here's a few more studs in that $1000-$2000 range, maybe one will pique your interest
Desirio, Strawfly Special x Lady Tenaya by Sixarun, 2017 stud fee was $2000 (SI 116 and has some super nice runners, for added speed in a foal )
Guitar Gun, Playgun x Dainty Lena by Smart Little Lena, 2016 stud fee was $800 (couldn't find 2017 stud fee, but he throws beautiful and good minded foals )
PG Dry Fire, Playgun x The Dry Look by Dry Doc, 2017 stud fee was $1500 (another Playgun, he has a junior high girl roping off of him, I've seen a lot of his foals in person and they are all fantastic )
Gotta Good Habit, Strawfly Special x First Femme by FDD, 2015 stud fee $1500 (he has AQHA points in racing, halter, performance halter, HUS, and heading-- talk about versatile! )
Hopefully those give you a few more options to think about!
She is and I will be happy to keep posting about our progress. I am hoping she will teach me a little about barrels. I have always wanted to try running barrels competitively (Jackpots/rodeo/etc ) but honestly, I have never been in a position to do so (lack of horse/know how ). I have actually only ran once competitively and I loved it. However, it was on an automatic horse and I was awful. It was for a ranch rodeo and they didn't even tell me I would be running barrels until I got there. I borrowed another competitors horse to do it. I was actually the second roper and wild cow milker for our group but apparently, the female runs the barrels. I didn't even know to grab the horn and ran in my roping saddle. I was literally trying to watch other girls so I would know the pattern. So I took some "lessons" which was interesting and kind of stopped me for a few years. Now I'm back to try again. I have ordered some Sherry Cervi videos and am looking for clinics to audit and whatnot.
Yeah I definitely don't want to get carried away on stud fees with her. The 20% rule of thumb makes sense too.
My future foal ideally would be competitive at barrels on a rodeo/1D level. I'm 5'11" and weight 160-170lbs so it needs to be fairly tall. Not warmblood tall but 15.2 or a little taller would be nice. Just for my comfort, I know that smaller horses can haul butt and win. The mare is grey so color really doesn't matter. If the foal is competitive at barrels I feel like it can definitely rope and maybe some mounted shooting later.
Oh my, Desirio is so nice. I love the Play Gun horses. Gotta Good Habit is super nice too and so versatile. I love his mind. He looks like a really solid "using" horse.
I noticed you didn't recommend any Frenchmans Guy type horses. That's totally fine. I was just wondering if there was a reason or they don't cross well on her type of breeding. I'm only asking because I see so many of them out there. I thought they were super popular. : ) Thank you for chatting with me. I really appreciate the opportunity to learn.
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| HP Dash Ta Fiesta
Dash Ta Fame x Firewater Fiesta
Will add speed,bone,size and great genetics!
Stud fee is only $1500
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| oija - 2017-09-18 1:27 PM
Frenchmans Guy studs would overemphasize the Hancock quirks on the bottom side of your mare. I would avoid.
Take a look at Bullseye Bullion, super nice stallion. Total outcross for you.
I also like Firewater Finale (really good deal and has very nice minded foals) and he might give you some color if you want it.
Now see, you and another poster or two have saved me a lot of trouble. I had no idea and actually have very little to no experience with the Frenchman's Guy horses. I worked with one stallion and he wasn't bad... just slow to respond. That's the best way I can describe it. In honesty, his owner wasn't real quick either so I thought maybe it had rubbed off on him.
So I will avoid that. FG was actually the line that I was leaning toward. Mostly to get some outcross on this mare. So I feel like I'm dodging a bullet LOL.
Both of those stallions are awesome and may be what we go with actually. Bullseye Bullion would be a great match for her. Of course, Firewater Finale moved to Canada but I will still be considering him and I'm going to shoot an email to his new owner. I just worry about getting anything but frozen back through customs. I would definitely love to have color(as long as the quality isn't sacrificed) but my mare is gray so it would only be 50/50. She was black before she grayed out though so she could produce some fun colors if it didn't gray out.
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Based on what you are describing with her being a solid rope horse, her good legs and mind, and in looking at her pedigree, she sounds like she's built solid. If she's the real deal that you're looking for, I say buy her! Pedigrees only mean so much when you find the right horse.
One stallion I am a HUGE fan of is Jesse James Jr (Mr Jess Perry x Loose Lips by FDD ). He would add speed and mind, as well as conformation. https://www.stallionesearch.com/show_stallion.asp?horse=372 (ETA- his stud fee is $3500 I think, so that might be a limiting factor. )
Another stallion I love is Hired Gun (Playgun x Peppys Serenade by PSB ). We bred our TB mare to him to add some grit and cow, and he is the real deal, just a sweetheart of a stallion. (stud fee $1500 )
I also really like Fiestas Gotta Gun (Playgun x Firewater Fiesta ). Obviously you can't go wrong with Firewater Fiesta, or Playgun. That would also add some more speed, plus cow, and keep the great conformation. We are breeding our TB mare to him next spring. (stud fee $1250 )
What discipline would you be promoting the possible foal in? Roping? Barrels? There are so many good stallions out there, her bloodlines would cross great with pretty much anything!
Good luck!
PS- speaking of buying what you want, we just purchased a 3yo The Continental/Skipper W mare that came off the range and had never been touched. We liked the looks of her before we knew much about her, but her dam and sire were on site and they are both very talented horses, great minds, conformation, etc. so we took a risk and she is coming along great!
Yeah, she's really a good girl and a trooper too. Not marish and a worker bee. She isn't friendly but she's super gritty. I watched her head/heel and if she had thumbs she wouldn't need a rider LOL. She ran barrels with the wife and the husband that owned her then she sent her 6 and 7-year-old out to lope exhibitions on her and she went out in this little WP lope with the kids just hanging on. She knows her job for sure.
I would like to get more with that kind of work ethic and toughness. I was an eventer for about 16ish years and got injured and started roping/ranch work (Using a lot of Hancock horses ) and then started endurance. I also have Arabians haha. With her, I would like to get into barrel racing and possibly some rodeo. If I got a quality enough prospect out of her I wouldn't be opposed to sending it for training/campaigning etc or even doing it myself once I've learned more.
I love the look of all the stallions you recommended and now I'm researching them so thank you! If you have anything else to add I'm always looking for more education. Especially starting out in something new to me. : )
She sounds like a heck of a horse! And you sound like you have quite the background yourself! Please keep us posted on how you come along together, I think it's going to be a fun ride for you two!
I agree with the other poster about staying within a certain range for stud fees, a general rule of thumb is the stud fee shouldn't be more than 20% of what the mare is worth (at least in the TB racing world ). Even if she is priceless to you, if you want to market her foals, you don't want to have so much money in to them before they even hit the ground that you can't make a profit.
In thinking of a future foal, what would be your ideal? Are you hoping for more speed, more quickness/cattiness, more refined, etc? Based on her bloodlines, and what you are choosing to do with her, you could pretty much go any direction with a future foal. Cowboy mounted shooting, barrels, roping, cowboy dressage, anything really!
Here's a few more studs in that $1000-$2000 range, maybe one will pique your interest
Desirio, Strawfly Special x Lady Tenaya by Sixarun, 2017 stud fee was $2000 (SI 116 and has some super nice runners, for added speed in a foal )
Guitar Gun, Playgun x Dainty Lena by Smart Little Lena, 2016 stud fee was $800 (couldn't find 2017 stud fee, but he throws beautiful and good minded foals )
PG Dry Fire, Playgun x The Dry Look by Dry Doc, 2017 stud fee was $1500 (another Playgun, he has a junior high girl roping off of him, I've seen a lot of his foals in person and they are all fantastic )
Gotta Good Habit, Strawfly Special x First Femme by FDD, 2015 stud fee $1500 (he has AQHA points in racing, halter, performance halter, HUS, and heading-- talk about versatile! )
Hopefully those give you a few more options to think about!
She is and I will be happy to keep posting about our progress. I am hoping she will teach me a little about barrels. I have always wanted to try running barrels competitively (Jackpots/rodeo/etc ) but honestly, I have never been in a position to do so (lack of horse/know how ). I have actually only ran once competitively and I loved it. However, it was on an automatic horse and I was awful. It was for a ranch rodeo and they didn't even tell me I would be running barrels until I got there. I borrowed another competitors horse to do it. I was actually the second roper and wild cow milker for our group but apparently, the female runs the barrels. I didn't even know to grab the horn and ran in my roping saddle. I was literally trying to watch other girls so I would know the pattern. So I took some "lessons" which was interesting and kind of stopped me for a few years. Now I'm back to try again. I have ordered some Sherry Cervi videos and am looking for clinics to audit and whatnot.
Yeah I definitely don't want to get carried away on stud fees with her. The 20% rule of thumb makes sense too.
My future foal ideally would be competitive at barrels on a rodeo/1D level. I'm 5'11" and weight 160-170lbs so it needs to be fairly tall. Not warmblood tall but 15.2 or a little taller would be nice. Just for my comfort, I know that smaller horses can haul butt and win. The mare is grey so color really doesn't matter. If the foal is competitive at barrels I feel like it can definitely rope and maybe some mounted shooting later.
Oh my, Desirio is so nice. I love the Play Gun horses. Gotta Good Habit is super nice too and so versatile. I love his mind. He looks like a really solid "using" horse.
I noticed you didn't recommend any Frenchmans Guy type horses. That's totally fine. I was just wondering if there was a reason or they don't cross well on her type of breeding. I'm only asking because I see so many of them out there. I thought they were super popular. : ) Thank you for chatting with me. I really appreciate the opportunity to learn.
Well hopefully she will be a jam up mare and help you become a better barrel racer! It is definitely tough taking "lessons" and having that steer you away from the sport, so I hope you get more arrows for your quiver with the Sherry Cervi videos
I understand on wanting a taller horse for your comfort level, how tall is your mare? And she is grey? I love a good grey! I love having a horse that can run barrels, go out into the trails and then come work cows, so I understand your desire on wanting that all-around horse too!
You're right, I didn't recommend any FG horses. Personal opinion only, but the ones I have seen have been very quirky and lazy, so they try to cheat their way through things, which to me correlates to a horse that's not solid. I know some FG horses are amazing athletes and fantastic horses, but I don't think it's worth the fight to make them that way, and that is my opinion. I do agree with the other poster that FG probably wouldn't cross well with the Hancock, one strong personality line is enough sometimes Personally, there are many other bloodlines I would seek out first, like the Playguns (which I would probably cross on almost anything, I am such a fan ).
Good luck with your mare and like I said, keep us posted! Especially on if you choose to breed her and which stallion you decide on
And how your barrel racing journey is going!!
Me too. We don't seem to have a lot of clinics in my area/state and I'm warry of "trainers". Now don't get me wrong, I don't mind to pay to have lessons from someone who has a record. The ones close to me that I can find are definitely not people with a record that I want to follow on haha. I will continue the search though. Maybe I will have to do some vacations to TX/OK/etc and do clinics there.
She is a hair over 15.2. So she is a good size for me. She is pretty darn wide so it takes up some leg. I found a pic of me on her a year or two ago for the last owner. They wanted to ride her but she hadn't been ridden in a year or two I guess so I went over and hopped on her. Yes she is gray. I love a good gray too. My stallion is also gray haha. I just sold like 3 gray Arabians. I'm partial to grays.
You and the other poster have really helped me dodge a bullet on the FG horses. I will definitely be passing on that with that Hancock in there. I love the Playguns too and I have those on the list too. I'm also looking around to see if I can find one with a little height on it. Nothing huge but a solid 15.1-2 would be nice and then I'd be looking at about a 15.2 offspring.
Thank you. I will definitely keep everyone posted on everything!
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Based on what you are describing with her being a solid rope horse, her good legs and mind, and in looking at her pedigree, she sounds like she's built solid. If she's the real deal that you're looking for, I say buy her! Pedigrees only mean so much when you find the right horse.
One stallion I am a HUGE fan of is Jesse James Jr (Mr Jess Perry x Loose Lips by FDD ). He would add speed and mind, as well as conformation. https://www.stallionesearch.com/show_stallion.asp?horse=372 (ETA- his stud fee is $3500 I think, so that might be a limiting factor. )
Another stallion I love is Hired Gun (Playgun x Peppys Serenade by PSB ). We bred our TB mare to him to add some grit and cow, and he is the real deal, just a sweetheart of a stallion. (stud fee $1500 )
I also really like Fiestas Gotta Gun (Playgun x Firewater Fiesta ). Obviously you can't go wrong with Firewater Fiesta, or Playgun. That would also add some more speed, plus cow, and keep the great conformation. We are breeding our TB mare to him next spring. (stud fee $1250 )
What discipline would you be promoting the possible foal in? Roping? Barrels? There are so many good stallions out there, her bloodlines would cross great with pretty much anything!
Good luck!
PS- speaking of buying what you want, we just purchased a 3yo The Continental/Skipper W mare that came off the range and had never been touched. We liked the looks of her before we knew much about her, but her dam and sire were on site and they are both very talented horses, great minds, conformation, etc. so we took a risk and she is coming along great!
Yeah, she's really a good girl and a trooper too. Not marish and a worker bee. She isn't friendly but she's super gritty. I watched her head/heel and if she had thumbs she wouldn't need a rider LOL. She ran barrels with the wife and the husband that owned her then she sent her 6 and 7-year-old out to lope exhibitions on her and she went out in this little WP lope with the kids just hanging on. She knows her job for sure.
I would like to get more with that kind of work ethic and toughness. I was an eventer for about 16ish years and got injured and started roping/ranch work (Using a lot of Hancock horses ) and then started endurance. I also have Arabians haha. With her, I would like to get into barrel racing and possibly some rodeo. If I got a quality enough prospect out of her I wouldn't be opposed to sending it for training/campaigning etc or even doing it myself once I've learned more.
I love the look of all the stallions you recommended and now I'm researching them so thank you! If you have anything else to add I'm always looking for more education. Especially starting out in something new to me. : )
She sounds like a heck of a horse! And you sound like you have quite the background yourself! Please keep us posted on how you come along together, I think it's going to be a fun ride for you two!
I agree with the other poster about staying within a certain range for stud fees, a general rule of thumb is the stud fee shouldn't be more than 20% of what the mare is worth (at least in the TB racing world ). Even if she is priceless to you, if you want to market her foals, you don't want to have so much money in to them before they even hit the ground that you can't make a profit.
In thinking of a future foal, what would be your ideal? Are you hoping for more speed, more quickness/cattiness, more refined, etc? Based on her bloodlines, and what you are choosing to do with her, you could pretty much go any direction with a future foal. Cowboy mounted shooting, barrels, roping, cowboy dressage, anything really!
Here's a few more studs in that $1000-$2000 range, maybe one will pique your interest
Desirio, Strawfly Special x Lady Tenaya by Sixarun, 2017 stud fee was $2000 (SI 116 and has some super nice runners, for added speed in a foal )
Guitar Gun, Playgun x Dainty Lena by Smart Little Lena, 2016 stud fee was $800 (couldn't find 2017 stud fee, but he throws beautiful and good minded foals )
PG Dry Fire, Playgun x The Dry Look by Dry Doc, 2017 stud fee was $1500 (another Playgun, he has a junior high girl roping off of him, I've seen a lot of his foals in person and they are all fantastic )
Gotta Good Habit, Strawfly Special x First Femme by FDD, 2015 stud fee $1500 (he has AQHA points in racing, halter, performance halter, HUS, and heading-- talk about versatile! )
Hopefully those give you a few more options to think about!
She is and I will be happy to keep posting about our progress. I am hoping she will teach me a little about barrels. I have always wanted to try running barrels competitively (Jackpots/rodeo/etc ) but honestly, I have never been in a position to do so (lack of horse/know how ). I have actually only ran once competitively and I loved it. However, it was on an automatic horse and I was awful. It was for a ranch rodeo and they didn't even tell me I would be running barrels until I got there. I borrowed another competitors horse to do it. I was actually the second roper and wild cow milker for our group but apparently, the female runs the barrels. I didn't even know to grab the horn and ran in my roping saddle. I was literally trying to watch other girls so I would know the pattern. So I took some "lessons" which was interesting and kind of stopped me for a few years. Now I'm back to try again. I have ordered some Sherry Cervi videos and am looking for clinics to audit and whatnot.
Yeah I definitely don't want to get carried away on stud fees with her. The 20% rule of thumb makes sense too.
My future foal ideally would be competitive at barrels on a rodeo/1D level. I'm 5'11" and weight 160-170lbs so it needs to be fairly tall. Not warmblood tall but 15.2 or a little taller would be nice. Just for my comfort, I know that smaller horses can haul butt and win. The mare is grey so color really doesn't matter. If the foal is competitive at barrels I feel like it can definitely rope and maybe some mounted shooting later.
Oh my, Desirio is so nice. I love the Play Gun horses. Gotta Good Habit is super nice too and so versatile. I love his mind. He looks like a really solid "using" horse.
I noticed you didn't recommend any Frenchmans Guy type horses. That's totally fine. I was just wondering if there was a reason or they don't cross well on her type of breeding. I'm only asking because I see so many of them out there. I thought they were super popular. : ) Thank you for chatting with me. I really appreciate the opportunity to learn.
I just wanted to say welcome to the board!!
Thank you! Y'all are awesome! Everyone is so friendly and helpful. I really appreciate it. I have lurked her for years and finally made an acct and asked my questions and I'm so glad I did! | |
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| westrnridr - 2017-09-19 12:29 AM
HP Dash Ta Fiesta
Dash Ta Fame x Firewater Fiesta
Will add speed,bone,size and great genetics!
Stud fee is only $1500
Thank you! I am adding him to the list. I can definitely see where he could improve her. | |
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| I like her conformation, and she is pretty cute! That foal is adorable as well! And look st you, so excited up there!!
I absolutely understand wanting lessons from someone that has a good rep/record, it wouldn't make sense to learn from someone who isn't the best, right?! I would start thinking about your style of riding, even when roping or moving cows, and if you are more of a "sit back and let the horse work" or "push them forward" or how you would classify your riding style, then you can start watching videos and figure out which clinician has the same riding style as you, or the same mindset on horsemanship, and I would go from there!
PG Dry Fire, the son of Playgun, isn't as short and stout as most Playguns. I'm not sure his exact height, but there's a video on this link that shows his height (with a tall rider to boot!), plus some more info. He took a 12yo girl to the Idaho State Junior High Finals rodeo this spring in the breakaway! That's a pretty trustworthy stallion in my mind!
http://www.outbackreproduction.com/pgdryfire.html | |
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SmoothIsFast - 2017-09-16 8:37 AM
madredepeanut - 2017-09-16 1:40 AM
Based on what you are describing with her being a solid rope horse, her good legs and mind, and in looking at her pedigree, she sounds like she's built solid. If she's the real deal that you're looking for, I say buy her! Pedigrees only mean so much when you find the right horse.
One stallion I am a HUGE fan of is Jesse James Jr (Mr Jess Perry x Loose Lips by FDD ). He would add speed and mind, as well as conformation. https://www.stallionesearch.com/show_stallion.asp?horse=372 (ETA- his stud fee is $3500 I think, so that might be a limiting factor. )
Another stallion I love is Hired Gun (Playgun x Peppys Serenade by PSB ). We bred our TB mare to him to add some grit and cow, and he is the real deal, just a sweetheart of a stallion. (stud fee $1500 )
I also really like Fiestas Gotta Gun (Playgun x Firewater Fiesta ). Obviously you can't go wrong with Firewater Fiesta, or Playgun. That would also add some more speed, plus cow, and keep the great conformation. We are breeding our TB mare to him next spring. (stud fee $1250 )
What discipline would you be promoting the possible foal in? Roping? Barrels? There are so many good stallions out there, her bloodlines would cross great with pretty much anything!
Good luck!
PS- speaking of buying what you want, we just purchased a 3yo The Continental/Skipper W mare that came off the range and had never been touched. We liked the looks of her before we knew much about her, but her dam and sire were on site and they are both very talented horses, great minds, conformation, etc. so we took a risk and she is coming along great!
Yeah, she's really a good girl and a trooper too. Not marish and a worker bee. She isn't friendly but she's super gritty. I watched her head/heel and if she had thumbs she wouldn't need a rider LOL. She ran barrels with the wife and the husband that owned her then she sent her 6 and 7-year-old out to lope exhibitions on her and she went out in this little WP lope with the kids just hanging on. She knows her job for sure.
I would like to get more with that kind of work ethic and toughness. I was an eventer for about 16ish years and got injured and started roping/ranch work (Using a lot of Hancock horses ) and then started endurance. I also have Arabians haha. With her, I would like to get into barrel racing and possibly some rodeo. If I got a quality enough prospect out of her I wouldn't be opposed to sending it for training/campaigning etc or even doing it myself once I've learned more.
I love the look of all the stallions you recommended and now I'm researching them so thank you! If you have anything else to add I'm always looking for more education. Especially starting out in something new to me. : )
She sounds like a heck of a horse! And you sound like you have quite the background yourself! Please keep us posted on how you come along together, I think it's going to be a fun ride for you two!
I agree with the other poster about staying within a certain range for stud fees, a general rule of thumb is the stud fee shouldn't be more than 20% of what the mare is worth (at least in the TB racing world ). Even if she is priceless to you, if you want to market her foals, you don't want to have so much money in to them before they even hit the ground that you can't make a profit.
In thinking of a future foal, what would be your ideal? Are you hoping for more speed, more quickness/cattiness, more refined, etc? Based on her bloodlines, and what you are choosing to do with her, you could pretty much go any direction with a future foal. Cowboy mounted shooting, barrels, roping, cowboy dressage, anything really!
Here's a few more studs in that $1000-$2000 range, maybe one will pique your interest
Desirio, Strawfly Special x Lady Tenaya by Sixarun, 2017 stud fee was $2000 (SI 116 and has some super nice runners, for added speed in a foal )
Guitar Gun, Playgun x Dainty Lena by Smart Little Lena, 2016 stud fee was $800 (couldn't find 2017 stud fee, but he throws beautiful and good minded foals )
PG Dry Fire, Playgun x The Dry Look by Dry Doc, 2017 stud fee was $1500 (another Playgun, he has a junior high girl roping off of him, I've seen a lot of his foals in person and they are all fantastic )
Gotta Good Habit, Strawfly Special x First Femme by FDD, 2015 stud fee $1500 (he has AQHA points in racing, halter, performance halter, HUS, and heading-- talk about versatile! )
Hopefully those give you a few more options to think about!
She is and I will be happy to keep posting about our progress. I am hoping she will teach me a little about barrels. I have always wanted to try running barrels competitively (Jackpots/rodeo/etc ) but honestly, I have never been in a position to do so (lack of horse/know how ). I have actually only ran once competitively and I loved it. However, it was on an automatic horse and I was awful. It was for a ranch rodeo and they didn't even tell me I would be running barrels until I got there. I borrowed another competitors horse to do it. I was actually the second roper and wild cow milker for our group but apparently, the female runs the barrels. I didn't even know to grab the horn and ran in my roping saddle. I was literally trying to watch other girls so I would know the pattern. So I took some "lessons" which was interesting and kind of stopped me for a few years. Now I'm back to try again. I have ordered some Sherry Cervi videos and am looking for clinics to audit and whatnot.
Yeah I definitely don't want to get carried away on stud fees with her. The 20% rule of thumb makes sense too.
My future foal ideally would be competitive at barrels on a rodeo/1D level. I'm 5'11" and weight 160-170lbs so it needs to be fairly tall. Not warmblood tall but 15.2 or a little taller would be nice. Just for my comfort, I know that smaller horses can haul butt and win. The mare is grey so color really doesn't matter. If the foal is competitive at barrels I feel like it can definitely rope and maybe some mounted shooting later.
Oh my, Desirio is so nice. I love the Play Gun horses. Gotta Good Habit is super nice too and so versatile. I love his mind. He looks like a really solid "using" horse.
I noticed you didn't recommend any Frenchmans Guy type horses. That's totally fine. I was just wondering if there was a reason or they don't cross well on her type of breeding. I'm only asking because I see so many of them out there. I thought they were super popular. : ) Thank you for chatting with me. I really appreciate the opportunity to learn.
I just wanted to say welcome to the board!!
Thank you! Y'all are awesome! Everyone is so friendly and helpful. I really appreciate it. I have lurked her for years and finally made an acct and asked my questions and I'm so glad I did!
I'm more of a support person because I don't have the knowledge some others on here have; the amount of wisdom on this board is staggering, so you did well by joining the ranks!! | |
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