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Cutting Horse Studs
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what cutting horse stud would you breed to? Easy Jet/FWF mare
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None. That is if you are looking for a barrel horse. Cutting horses are amazing horses, but they are meant to be cutting horses.
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Cutting horses have become extremely specialized. Even within the cutting industry there are different styles and genetics..there is a jackpot/weekend horse and an open/futurity style, both are very different horses and genetics.
So depends on what your plans are for the foal as to what you would consider breeding to.
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Big fan of Dual Rey and Rey Dual - the former is more well known and spendy. Rey Dual is a full brother - I have a son of his who is athletic as all get out. He’s out of a Haidas Little Pep daughter who was a money earner in the cutting as well. In our smaller pens around here he’s shaping up to be formidable. Big pens he gets outrun right now. I would love to cross on a running bred personally and see if we could add a little size and speed but keep the barrel hunting can inhaling abilities.

Krystal runs a Dual Rey son out of a Miss N Cash (Dash for Cash) mare who is also super nice.
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Whiteboy - 2017-09-23 9:47 AM

None. That is if you are looking for a barrel horse. Cutting horses are amazing horses, but they are meant to be cutting horses.

Sorry but I have to strongly disagree with this. All I run is cow/race crosses, and they aint no slouches
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OhMax - 2017-09-23 1:10 PM

Big fan of Dual Rey and Rey Dual - the former is more well known and spendy. Rey Dual is a full brother - I have a son of his who is athletic as all get out. He’s out of a Haidas Little Pep daughter who was a money earner in the cutting as well. In our smaller pens around here he’s shaping up to be formidable. Big pens he gets outrun right now. I would love to cross on a running bred personally and see if we could add a little size and speed but keep the barrel hunting can inhaling abilities.

Krystal runs a Dual Rey son out of a Miss N Cash (Dash for Cash) mare who is also super nice.

Love your cross--he should be able to do about anything
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Meep.Meep - 2017-09-23 2:12 PM

Whiteboy - 2017-09-23 9:47 AM

None. That is if you are looking for a barrel horse. Cutting horses are amazing horses, but they are meant to be cutting horses.

Sorry but I have to strongly disagree with this. All I run is cow/race crosses, and they aint no slouches

I agree with Whiteboy... I definitely know I've had my butt kicked by 100% cutting bred horses, and definitely been outran by the run/cow cross. But I personally don't have enough experience with any of those lines to create something from the ground up. I wouldn't know what to expect. I would personally have better luck buying something already on the ground. There are some gorgeous cutters that come into the clinic I work at. Really really nice ones. I saw a barrel horse for sale by Spots Hot and holy cow I wish I could have bought him myself.
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Whiteboy - 2017-09-23 10:47 AM None. That is if you are looking for a barrel horse. Cutting horses are amazing horses, but they are meant to be cutting horses.

 I guess that is why Lindsey bred Martha to Metallic Cat last year. Plus a few other high dollar barrel horses. Lol. 
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None. That is if you are looking for a barrel horse. Cutting horses are amazing horses, but they are meant to be cutting horses.

Sorry but I have to strongly disagree with this. All I run is cow/race crosses, and they aint no slouches

I will ditto that also! They can flat stop the clock. I have had 2 and they were quick!
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If you looked at all the top 10 in every barrel futurity, I think Whiteboy has a valid point. Race and barrel bred (FG/FWF etc) are going to be in those standings 10 to 1 vs your cutting breds.
Everyone is after the ultimate outcross and there have been some real nice winners, even at the NFR level. But the numbers do not hold a candle to your race/barrel bred horses.
Those with the money and mare power to breed to whatever they want are fine and dandy, but it does not mean they are going to get a barrel burner out of the deal. They just have the money to give it a try and often a mare that just may have the ability to produce it. MCM would be a good cross on Playgun to get a runner I bet. She had all the run in the world.
I have ridden both and I mean daughters/sons of some of the leading sires back in the early 2000's. We wouldn't have chosen but maybe 2 or 3 out of hundreds to come home and work the ranch on. 

So back to the OP. IF I were to pick something, I would pretty much only go with Playgun or a thick bodied, heavy boned son or a son of Smart Chic Olena that is out of a Colonel Freckles daughter.
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treasurehunter
Reg. Sep 2007
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I've seen several straight cutting bred barrel
horses that consistently are in the top ten, running at races with numbers of 900 or better horses most of this year. Personally, I don't think that's too shabby.

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streakysox
Reg. Jul 2008
Posted 2017-09-24 12:39 AM
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This is the way I look at the whole picture. Barrel Horse News just had the leading barrel sires for the past decade. If you want to go win, pick one of these. I don't think there are any cutting horses on the list. If you are planning to go win at your local jackpot, I don't think it will make much difference.
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wyoming barrel racer - 2017-09-23 6:59 PM

If you looked at all the top 10 in every barrel futurity, I think Whiteboy has a valid point. Race and barrel bred (FG/FWF etc) are going to be in those standings 10 to 1 vs your cutting breds.
Everyone is after the ultimate outcross and there have been some real nice winners, even at the NFR level. But the numbers do not hold a candle to your race/barrel bred horses.
Those with the money and mare power to breed to whatever they want are fine and dandy, but it does not mean they are going to get a barrel burner out of the deal. They just have the money to give it a try and often a mare that just may have the ability to produce it. MCM would be a good cross on Playgun to get a runner I bet. She had all the run in the world.
I have ridden both and I mean daughters/sons of some of the leading sires back in the early 2000's. We wouldn't have chosen but maybe 2 or 3 out of hundreds to come home and work the ranch on. 

So back to the OP. IF I were to pick something, I would pretty much only go with Playgun or a thick bodied, heavy boned son or a son of Smart Chic Olena that is out of a Colonel Freckles daughter.

I agree with this. I would stick with the Playgun lines, they are well built, good minded and are a bit more heavy duty than most of the "super refined cutting bred horses". Plus no 5 panel issues like with HBC and some of those. Here are two of his sons I like:

PG Dry Fire (Playgun x The Dry Look by Dry Doc) is very nice. He is a great breakaway horse and has excelled in working cow.

Hired Gun (Playgun x Peppys Serenade by PSB) is phenomenal. Super catty, quick and a sweetheart.

I think the run/cow cross is the way to go, however the race/barrel cross is really big right now, and there are a lot of winners out there. Personally, I would like to see more of the cow lines bred back into a lot of those horses, as it can get too concentrated with certain stereotypies and genetic issues (and I just think diversity is a good thing in equine genetics!)

We bred our TB mare (Big Brown x Don't Smoke by Smoke Glacken) to Hired Gun and cannot wait to see the foal this spring. Literal run/cow cross right here
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della
Reg. Apr 2011
Posted 2017-09-24 11:15 AM
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Cutting / Run cross is what I do both my broodies are well breed cutting type mares.
Drew (Hired Gun) mentioned above is very nice, my friend owned him and he is a great horse, throws a HUGE hip, his kids seem very smart and sensible.

There is stallion up here too called Reys From Heaven, He is NICE great mind, GREAT bone you could rope bulls on this sucker he's built, not that dainty cutting horse many people think of. I know him too, with the exchange shopping Texas breeding In Canada is a good way to go. His first 2 kids to hit sows are wining. He was breed to a special leader mare and that foal is to die for!
This is a 2 year old by him I raised, she can really scoot (shes out of my spoonful mare though so 100% cow)
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there are quite a few cutting / cow stallions with kids winning in barrles. I supose it all depends on the style of horse you like. My spoonful daughter crosses really nice on dash ta fame sons and her marta six moons son foal is looking pretty fantastic.

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Whiteboy - 2017-09-23 8:47 AM

None. That is if you are looking for a barrel horse. Cutting horses are amazing horses, but they are meant to be cutting horses.

except for lenas sugar daddy ;-)
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della - 2017-09-24 11:15 AM Cutting / Run cross is what I do both my broodies are well breed cutting type mares.

Drew (Hired Gun) mentioned above is very nice, my friend owned him and he is a great horse, throws a HUGE hip, his kids seem very smart and sensible.



There is stallion up here too called Reys From Heaven, He is NICE great mind, GREAT bone you could rope bulls on this sucker he's built, not that dainty cutting horse many people think of. I know him too, with the exchange shopping Texas breeding In Canada is a good way to go. His first 2 kids to hit sows are wining. He was breed to a special leader mare and that foal is to die for!

This is a 2 year old by him I raised, she can really scoot (shes out of my spoonful mare though so 100% cow)

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there are quite a few cutting / cow stallions with kids winning in barrles. I supose it all depends on the style of horse you like. My spoonful daughter crosses really nice on dash ta fame sons and her marta six moons son foal is looking pretty fantastic.

Cute filly Della.  
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streakysox
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della - 2017-09-24 11:30 AM

Whiteboy - 2017-09-23 8:47 AM

None. That is if you are looking for a barrel horse. Cutting horses are amazing horses, but they are meant to be cutting horses.

except for lenas sugar daddy ;-)




Other than Blazin Jetalena I am kind of in the dark on this one.



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Whiteboy is entitled to his opinion... if it doesn't fit his program, he's just as right as anyone else on here to give his opinion. That is what the OP asked for anyway.

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casualdust07 - 2017-09-24 12:37 PM

Whiteboy is entitled to his opinion... if it doesn't fit his program, he's just as right as anyone else on here to give his opinion. That is what the OP asked for anyway.


Nobody said he couldn't. We are just giving ours also
The OP asked "what cutting stud" Not "should I breed to a cutting stud"

I love anything with Smart Little Lena as close as I can get. Also like Peptoboonsmal.
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streakysox - 2017-09-24 11:26 AM

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Whiteboy - 2017-09-23 8:47 AM

None. That is if you are looking for a barrel horse. Cutting horses are amazing horses, but they are meant to be cutting horses.

except for lenas sugar daddy ;-)




Other than Blazin Jetalena I am kind of in the dark on this one.




I was just being my normal smart ass self.
Blazin jetoleana has a lot of great cow/cutting blood in him. He's a million dollar sire and NFR producer. The right cow / run cross can be magic.

Everybody has their own program and what they like and look for in breeding and crosses. I my self have 0 interest in many popular lines because I do not believe it will produce the horses I want out of my mares.

Cow/Run is something I love and am very passionate about. Cowbreed horses have my sole, barrel racing my heart.

Did not mean any offence
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Most of his off spring has done well as roping horses especially the NFR qualifiers.
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Love my daughter of Spots Hot. Was a cutting reject and I am shocked at the speed she has. She does have Pa Jones way back on the bottom. She's currently clocking high 17's on a standard and I haven't asked her for full speed yet. Once I really ask her for full speed (she's only 5 and has only been on the pattern a year) I think she will easily be mid to low 17's. I have always preferred a little cow mixed with speed, but this pure cowhorse has been fun.
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If I had a mare I wanted to breed at the moment this would be my pick http://aaronranch.com/jasonspeptolena.html
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treasurehunter - 2017-09-23 10:41 PM

I've seen several straight cutting bred barrel
horses that consistently are in the top ten, running at races with numbers of 900 or better horses most of this year. Personally, I don't think that's too shabby.


Where do you live that there are 900 entries in a barrel race. My trainer is always looking for some of the bigger shows to run. She can make more money at those. Our small barrel races around here are usually about 125. Larger ones anywhere from 450 to 650. She just runs at the larger ones and there are not that many in our area. She is willing to haul so let me know and she will be there.
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OhMax - 2017-09-23 11:10 AM

Big fan of Dual Rey and Rey Dual - the former is more well known and spendy. Rey Dual is a full brother - I have a son of his who is athletic as all get out. He’s out of a Haidas Little Pep daughter who was a money earner in the cutting as well. In our smaller pens around here he’s shaping up to be formidable. Big pens he gets outrun right now. I would love to cross on a running bred personally and see if we could add a little size and speed but keep the barrel hunting can inhaling abilities.

Krystal runs a Dual Rey son out of a Miss N Cash (Dash for Cash) mare who is also super nice.

Ditto to Dual Rey.
It took me a hot minute to figure out how to stay in the middle of mine, but once we clicked it was worth all of the hard work.

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Meep.Meep - 2017-09-24 7:33 PM

If I had a mare I wanted to breed at the moment this would be my pick http://aaronranch.com/jasonspeptolena.html

Blind sided looks really nice too. . . .
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Nobody - 2017-09-24 6:50 PM Love my daughter of Spots Hot. Was a cutting reject and I am shocked at the speed she has. She does have Pa Jones way back on the bottom. She's currently clocking high 17's on a standard and I haven't asked her for full speed yet. Once I really ask her for full speed (she's only 5 and has only been on the pattern a year) I think she will easily be mid to low 17's. I have always preferred a little cow mixed with speed, but this pure cowhorse has been fun.

I've got a daughter of Metallic Cat out of a Spots Hot mare that's done pretty well this summer.  I had never entered a barrel race on her before the Bonus Race Finals in June.  She's placed at a few fall futurities and consistently been in the 1D at several of them.  Unfortunately I struggle with my timing on her so I've hit some expensive barrels that have cost us some average checks, but she clocks up really well.

As a side note my husband is a mounted shooter.  He's a mens Level 6 which is the highest level of competition.  He has won quite a bit of money on this mare this year and will also be competing on her in a couple of weeks at the CMSA World Finals.  I'd take a pasture full of Metallic Cats. 
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rockinas - 2017-09-24 9:57 PM

Nobody - 2017-09-24 6:50 PM Love my daughter of Spots Hot. Was a cutting reject and I am shocked at the speed she has. She does have Pa Jones way back on the bottom. She's currently clocking high 17's on a standard and I haven't asked her for full speed yet. Once I really ask her for full speed (she's only 5 and has only been on the pattern a year) I think she will easily be mid to low 17's. I have always preferred a little cow mixed with speed, but this pure cowhorse has been fun.

I've got a daughter of Metallic Cat out of a Spots Hot mare that's done pretty well this summer.  I had never entered a barrel race on her before the Bonus Race Finals in June.  She's placed at a few fall futurities and consistently been in the 1D at several of them.  Unfortunately I struggle with my timing on her so I've hit some expensive barrels that have cost us some average checks, but she clocks up really well.

As a side note my husband is a mounted shooter.  He's a mens Level 6 which is the highest level of competition.  He has won quite a bit of money on this mare this year and will also be competing on her in a couple of weeks at the CMSA World Finals.  I'd take a pasture full of Metallic Cats. 

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Streaky sox, the biggest local shows around where I live top out at 400-500 at best. The big shows I was referring to aren't local.
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If I had a mare I wanted to breed at the moment this would be my pick http://aaronranch.com/jasonspeptolena.html

Blind sided looks really nice too. . . .

I agree, love him too!!
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Whiteboy - 2017-09-23 10:47 AM None. That is if you are looking for a barrel horse. Cutting horses are amazing horses, but they are meant to be cutting horses.
 I guess that is why Lindsey bred Martha to Metallic Cat last year. Plus a few other high dollar barrel horses. Lol. 

Babyflos full sister was bred to Metallic Cat also. That foal should be on the ground or maybe a yearling by now. 
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The WR This Cats Smart horses have size and big motors. I've ridden a few and like them and his stud fee is much more reasonable than many of the others.

If you're looking to go with something Metalic Cat bred, go with a son. There are plenty to choose from, my pick would be Metalic Al. His bone and size stand out against many of the other sons, he's a proven winner, and he's the sweetest most mellow stud. His fist crop are weanlings this year.

Spots Hot is a good choice as well.

Yellow Roan of Texas is another good one. I had a gelding by him years ago who was SO talented. I've also been beat by a few mares by him as well.

Good Luck!
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I don't think Blind Sided has much speed.
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Whiteboy - 2017-09-23 9:47 AM None. That is if you are looking for a barrel horse. Cutting horses are amazing horses, but they are meant to be cutting horses.
Sorry but I have to strongly disagree with this. All I run is cow/race crosses, and they aint no slouches
DISAGREE:  We just sent a 4 year old Halreycious out of a GREAT mare to a well-known local barrel futurity trainer.   He was a nice 3 year old, nice 4 year old (missed Semi's by half a point in Ft Worth 3 times.) I won money on him in the NP.  BUT-- he is going to be a stellar 5 year old futurity horse in the barrels.   She loves him. Oozes talent.   Any horse can be a nice barrel horse if they want to work.   

That being said - I take another Halreycious gelding any day.  Metallic Cat does well crossed on hotter mare too,  Metallic Rebel is stout and great bone and GREAT mind...he'd be a great option stud fee wise.  Also out of a GREAT mare.  And definitely agree on Spot!  Theres a super nice Spot gelding winning EVERYTHING in N TX.

 

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If you looked at all the top 10 in every barrel futurity, I think Whiteboy has a valid point. Race and barrel bred (FG/FWF etc) are going to be in those standings 10 to 1 vs your cutting breds.
Everyone is after the ultimate outcross and there have been some real nice winners, even at the NFR level. But the numbers do not hold a candle to your race/barrel bred horses.
Those with the money and mare power to breed to whatever they want are fine and dandy, but it does not mean they are going to get a barrel burner out of the deal. They just have the money to give it a try and often a mare that just may have the ability to produce it. MCM would be a good cross on Playgun to get a runner I bet. She had all the run in the world.
I have ridden both and I mean daughters/sons of some of the leading sires back in the early 2000's. We wouldn't have chosen but maybe 2 or 3 out of hundreds to come home and work the ranch on. 

So back to the OP. IF I were to pick something, I would pretty much only go with Playgun or a thick bodied, heavy boned son or a son of Smart Chic Olena that is out of a Colonel Freckles daughter.

I agree with this. I would stick with the Playgun lines, they are well built, good minded and are a bit more heavy duty than most of the "super refined cutting bred horses". Plus no 5 panel issues like with HBC and some of those. Here are two of his sons I like:

PG Dry Fire (Playgun x The Dry Look by Dry Doc) is very nice. He is a great breakaway horse and has excelled in working cow.

Hired Gun (Playgun x Peppys Serenade by PSB) is phenomenal. Super catty, quick and a sweetheart.

I think the run/cow cross is the way to go, however the race/barrel cross is really big right now, and there are a lot of winners out there. Personally, I would like to see more of the cow lines bred back into a lot of those horses, as it can get too concentrated with certain stereotypies and genetic issues (and I just think diversity is a good thing in equine genetics!)

We bred our TB mare (Big Brown x Don't Smoke by Smoke Glacken) to Hired Gun and cannot wait to see the foal this spring. Literal run/cow cross right here

To be honest .... if you're looking at Playgun sons ...


FIESTAS GOTTA GUN

by Playgun out of Firewater Fiesta ... talk about mare power! He stamps his get with bone, size, substance, ability, brains ... every one I have seen, I have liked. They do well inside and out of the arena.

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Tdove - 2017-09-25 10:17 AM

I don't think Blind Sided has much speed.

She is crossing on an Easy Jet mare. Some cow on some run, perfect barrel horse.
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I lke Cat Ichi, he seems to put some size and bone on them and they have plenty of speed. I have seen some nice Spots Hot and the Dual Reys have speed too. CD Olena is another. Metallic Cat is pretty spendy to breed to but he's got a couple sons including Sannman that would be an option. I guess my final opinion would be based on your mares disposition and conformation. 

To those saying don't because they aren't on the leading sires list, of course they aren't because there aren't enough of them running barrels to be. 200 Frenchmans Guy babies running vs. 3 of a cowbred sire, kind of hard to compare based on those numbers but JMO. At some point we do need viable outcross options which might be why Lindsay did the Metallic Cat cross.
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madredepeanut
Reg. Aug 2017
Posted 2017-09-25 2:25 PM
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lindseylou2290 - 2017-09-25 8:36 AM

madredepeanut - 2017-09-24 12:54 AM

wyoming barrel racer - 2017-09-23 6:59 PM

If you looked at all the top 10 in every barrel futurity, I think Whiteboy has a valid point. Race and barrel bred (FG/FWF etc) are going to be in those standings 10 to 1 vs your cutting breds.
Everyone is after the ultimate outcross and there have been some real nice winners, even at the NFR level. But the numbers do not hold a candle to your race/barrel bred horses.
Those with the money and mare power to breed to whatever they want are fine and dandy, but it does not mean they are going to get a barrel burner out of the deal. They just have the money to give it a try and often a mare that just may have the ability to produce it. MCM would be a good cross on Playgun to get a runner I bet. She had all the run in the world.
I have ridden both and I mean daughters/sons of some of the leading sires back in the early 2000's. We wouldn't have chosen but maybe 2 or 3 out of hundreds to come home and work the ranch on. 

So back to the OP. IF I were to pick something, I would pretty much only go with Playgun or a thick bodied, heavy boned son or a son of Smart Chic Olena that is out of a Colonel Freckles daughter.

I agree with this. I would stick with the Playgun lines, they are well built, good minded and are a bit more heavy duty than most of the "super refined cutting bred horses". Plus no 5 panel issues like with HBC and some of those. Here are two of his sons I like:

PG Dry Fire (Playgun x The Dry Look by Dry Doc) is very nice. He is a great breakaway horse and has excelled in working cow.

Hired Gun (Playgun x Peppys Serenade by PSB) is phenomenal. Super catty, quick and a sweetheart.

I think the run/cow cross is the way to go, however the race/barrel cross is really big right now, and there are a lot of winners out there. Personally, I would like to see more of the cow lines bred back into a lot of those horses, as it can get too concentrated with certain stereotypies and genetic issues (and I just think diversity is a good thing in equine genetics!)

We bred our TB mare (Big Brown x Don't Smoke by Smoke Glacken) to Hired Gun and cannot wait to see the foal this spring. Literal run/cow cross right here

To be honest .... if you're looking at Playgun sons ...


FIESTAS GOTTA GUN

by Playgun out of Firewater Fiesta ... talk about mare power! He stamps his get with bone, size, substance, ability, brains ... every one I have seen, I have liked. They do well inside and out of the arena.


YES! I can’t believe I forgot to put him on that list! We are breeding that same TB mare to him in 2018! He throws super nice babies, and his dam is Firewater Fiesta!
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pippy
Reg. Oct 2007
Posted 2017-09-26 8:27 AM
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Check out Tomcat Chex! I have a 5 yo mare by him and the fist time I entered her in a barrel race she ran less than half second off and won the second go. HUGE engine and exceptional brains. If you want to see her style her video is on his FB page. She is very exciting and I think there are more Tomcats in my future. ETA - He is a son of High Brow Cat and has LTE of 148k with offspring earnings of 73 million

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readytorodeo
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2017-09-26 12:34 PM
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I have a Pepto Boonsmall grandson. He has won and placed at the pros and is a 19 second pole horse. So thinking a cutting bred can not be competitive is wrong.
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Whinny19
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2017-09-28 8:38 PM
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My boyfriend picked up a Playgun grandson as a rope horse last year, he's by a Playgun son named Ranger Cookie. Not real well known but extremely accomplished, has loads of AQHA points in roping events & barrels. Ranger Cookie's dam was also nothing to sneeze at in the roping pen. We've been really impressed with this horse. He's a little spooky & snorty on the ground but will do anything under saddle. We used him in the backcountry during hunting season last year, he was a super nice heel horse when we bought him & is turning into a great head horse. Stands right at 15 hands but will jerk a steer like a big horse, and he will not be outrun. He's been working his tail off all summer in the feedlot too. Maybe one of these days I'll get to steal him away long enough to try him on the pattern, lol. I really like PG Dry Fire, Hired Gun, & Fiestas Gotta Gun too, but after seeing this horse in action I'd say Ranger Cookie is another Playgun son worth a good hard look.

Edited to add: I just thought I should add as a disclaimer that I am a running bred fan all the way. But cowbred or no, this little horse can flat fly! 


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madredepeanut
Reg. Aug 2017
Posted 2017-09-29 1:00 AM
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Whinny19 - 2017-09-28 6:38 PM

My boyfriend picked up a Playgun grandson as a rope horse last year, he's by a Playgun son named Ranger Cookie. Not real well known but extremely accomplished, has loads of AQHA points in roping events & barrels. Ranger Cookie's dam was also nothing to sneeze at in the roping pen. We've been really impressed with this horse. He's a little spooky & snorty on the ground but will do anything under saddle. We used him in the backcountry during hunting season last year, he was a super nice heel horse when we bought him & is turning into a great head horse. Stands right at 15 hands but will jerk a steer like a big horse, and he will not be outrun. He's been working his tail off all summer in the feedlot too. Maybe one of these days I'll get to steal him away long enough to try him on the pattern, lol. I really like PG Dry Fire, Hired Gun, & Fiestas Gotta Gun too, but after seeing this horse in action I'd say Ranger Cookie is another Playgun son worth a good hard look.

Edited to add: I just thought I should add as a disclaimer that I am a running bred fan all the way. But cowbred or no, this little horse can flat fly! 

Earlier today was the first I had heard of Ranger Cookie, and then here you are talking about him! After looking him up and watching videos, I agree that he is another good son of Playgun

So many good Playgun sons out there, each of them from a solid maternal line too!
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Frodo
Reg. Jul 2004
Posted 2017-09-29 2:18 PM
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Wasn't Marlene Eddleman's great Dutch Watch cutting horse bred?  Just curious.....I seem to remember he was a cutting horse reject.


 
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