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| I'm overwhelmed. I did not do a pre-purchase exam. I don't need to be lectured about it either, I made a mistake.
He was not lame when I tried him out. The first time I rode him at the barn he was off. (A week after I bought him). I think it's in his front end. He's great in the canter and walk, but the trot is where I notice it. It will go away in a few minutes, but yesterday I rode him and it was a mess. He got his feet done Mon, and he was tripping here and there, and just really heavy on his front end. He walks normally, and like I said his canter is like a rocking chair, but the trot is where it all falls apart. He has shoes on all 4, and pads on the front.
He hasn't gotten progressively worse since I've owned him, just the trot he always starts off lame, then it usually goes away.
I wasn't going to post this, as I know I will be flamed, but I would like advice on where to start. I'm thinking a lameness exam. DH and I don't have thousands to put in right now, but want him to be comfortable, and hopefully find the problem. I have ridden in a few lessons since I've owned him, and he is perfect on the barrels, no hesitation, nothing, etc, and the days I ride him, the next day he's not any MORE sore.
The family I bought him from, is a VERY well known family in my area(very small area). I really don't think she sold me a lame horse, as she knew I was going to be riding with her trainer, boarding at the barn she takes her son at for lessons every week, etc. I'm very trusting, but I just don't think she would do that. She owned him for 5 years, and did haul him some, took some lessons, etc, but he was not ridden that hard! Once a week to a jackpot, and a couple times a month here and there. She said she never had any lameness issues with him.
I'm not sure what is going on. As I said in my other post, he has lost some weight since being there. When I look at him in his pasture with the others, he doesn't act stressed, but when I get there he is usually in his stall. He's on the same supplement that the girl I bought him from had him on. His teeth have been done recently. She had pads on him always (front), tried taking them off once, and he immediately abscessed, so she has kept them on. EVERYONE knows this horse, just because this family owned him. They are nice people, and are at every rodeo, every show, etc.
I have given her some updates since I've owned him, and said he was doing good, because for the most part he is. I did not bring up any lameness issues with her.
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| Previous owner never had lameness issues, but he has to have pads on all the time or he abcesses? That right there doesn't make sense to me. I call that a lameness issue. That would have been a red flag for me when purchasing. He must have a hoof issue if that's the case. That is where I would start. X-rays and lameness exam on the front feet.
That being said, some horses are just "off". I have known a few very successful pro barrel horses that weren't "sound" at a trot, but were still very competitive. Not ideal, but it does happen.
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| Meep.Meep - 2017-09-29 8:26 AM
Previous owner never had lameness issues, but he has to have pads on all the time or he abcesses? That right there doesn't make sense to me. I call that a lameness issue. That would have been a red flag for me when purchasing. He must have a hoof issue if that's the case. That is where I would start. X-rays and lameness exam on the front feet.
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| Thanks for the advice! I have a vet coming out Tuesday at 3. I don't have much experience with lameness issues.
I guess I didn't think much of the pads on the feet. She was VERY honest with me when I tried him out, told me his vices, etc. She said that she tried taking the pads off one winter (as she gave him the winter off), and he abscessed, so she treated him for that, put the pads on and never had a problem.
Can someone explain pads to me, why people use them, etc? Is it uncommon for horses to wear pads? Do I need to have the farrier pull the shoes/pads on the front before the visit on Tuesday?
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Location: North Dakota | I'd go to a really good lameness vet and let them tell you where they want to start. The vet should have enough skills to remove a shoe and a pad, so I don't think you need to be concerned with taking it off.
You could have hind end soreness that is causing him to fall on his front end and is now front end sore OR you could have navicular, founder, metabolic issues that present themselves with sore front feet.
Let your vet guide you and help you in this process.
Good luck, hope you find out what is up with your new horse.
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Location: Texas | emricmacy - 2017-09-29 8:37 AM
Thanks for the advice! I have a vet coming out Tuesday at 3. I don't have much experience with lameness issues.
I guess I didn't think much of the pads on the feet. She was VERY honest with me when I tried him out, told me his vices, etc. She said that she tried taking the pads off one winter (as she gave him the winter off), and he abscessed, so she treated him for that, put the pads on and never had a problem.
Can someone explain pads to me, why people use them, etc? Is it uncommon for horses to wear pads? Do I need to have the farrier pull the shoes/pads on the front before the visit on Tuesday?
They use pads because the horse was lame/sore/off/hoof tester positive etc at some point and needed the sole protection. What kind of pad is it? leather? plastic? pour in? wedge? is it the plastic pad with holes and impression material in? Theres a lot of different pads out there. It doesn't necessarily mean anything end of the world, but pads are put on for a reason- to alleviate discomfort. I have two horses in pads.
I would not change a single thing before your vet visit. If you pull the shoes and pads before the vet comes, he may be REALLY sore the next day and then your vet will have to deal with that. Show the horse to the vet as he is, and if the vet wants to pull shoes to take radiographs then let him/her do it at that point in time.
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| I don't know what kind of pads he has! They do not have any holes in them, and cover the entire hoof. They are green. They feel more plasticky. Not very thick.
This is what is pretty much looks like https://www.callisters.com/products/castle-plastics-green-hoof-print...
I'm just not sure what happened, as when I tried him he was NOT lame, and a week later, he was off in the trot at our new barn..
His pasture is very rocky..
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| emricmacy - 2017-09-29 8:47 AM Do I need to have the farrier take the pads off before out appointment on Tuesday?
No- your vet should have the tools and ability to do that. Sounds like he may just be thin soled and bad feet? Start him on Biotin and then see what vet and xrays say.
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| I REALLY appreciate all of your advice! Just a VERY stressful time right now. This is my first horse in 7 years, and I've been ecstatic since we purchased him, he's so much fun on the barrels, and in general, and my DH is now beyond stressed, saying we bought a lame horse, and now he's only worth $800.00, and so on. So, I have a lot of weight weighing down on me right now.
I'm just wondering where it went wrong, in a week since I tried him..
And, she was beyond forthcoming with information when I tried him out, told me any and every vice that he has, and all she said about the pads, were that when she was giving him a winter off, she tried taking the pads off and he immediately abscessed. She said when she treated and put pads back on he was fine..
Any brand of biotin in particular you recommend?
I did order some pelleted ActiFlex yesterday, and should be delivered Monday night, so will hopefully start that next week, not sure if that will help any?
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Location: North Dakota | How old is this horse?
You say he seems to "warm-up" out of the lameness at the trot. Any possibility of arthritis?
I agree that he probably has something going on with his front feet since he *needs* pads, but I agree to let your vet take a look and guide you on where to go. Usually they will start with watching the horse move on a straight line and in a circle, and then do flexion testing on each leg. After that, they may have a guess as to which part of the body is affected. Then it's between you and the vet to decide how much diagnostic testing to do, based on what you find.
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| He just turned 15. He has not had a "hard" life. The girl I bought him from owned him for 5 years, and she had a maternity leave for awhile, and other things. She's a great rider, but most recently was riding him once a week at jackpots, and that's pretty much it. A couple times a month.
He does seem to work out of it for the most part. Yesterday, the trot was not good, tripping when we circle, etc, but the canter felt amazing. This was my first ride since having his feet done on Monday. Just a trim/reset.
I've taken 3 barrel racing lessons the past 3 weekends, and two lessons, in the trot he never showed any lameness at all, and let me tell you, he can move, and he knows his job. The third lesson he was off in the trot for maybe 2 min, then was fine. I'm lost. The workers at the barn say he can move in the pasture! Yesterday, was the only time since I've had him that he has not worked out of it in the trot.
He has also never been on any joint supplement. She only had him on ForeFront ForeBasics. He is still on that, for now, and his ActiFlex should be here on Monday.
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| casualdust07 - 2017-09-29 9:06 AM emricmacy - 2017-09-29 8:37 AM Thanks for the advice! I have a vet coming out Tuesday at 3. I don't have much experience with lameness issues. I guess I didn't think much of the pads on the feet. She was VERY honest with me when I tried him out, told me his vices, etc. She said that she tried taking the pads off one winter (as she gave him the winter off), and he abscessed, so she treated him for that, put the pads on and never had a problem. Can someone explain pads to me, why people use them, etc? Is it uncommon for horses to wear pads? Do I need to have the farrier pull the shoes/pads on the front before the visit on Tuesday? They use pads because the horse was lame/sore/off/hoof tester positive etc at some point and needed the sole protection. What kind of pad is it? leather? plastic? pour in? wedge? is it the plastic pad with holes and impression material in? Theres a lot of different pads out there. It doesn't necessarily mean anything end of the world, but pads are put on for a reason- to alleviate discomfort. I have two horses in pads. I would not change a single thing before your vet visit. If you pull the shoes and pads before the vet comes, he may be REALLY sore the next day and then your vet will have to deal with that. Show the horse to the vet as he is, and if the vet wants to pull shoes to take radiographs then let him/her do it at that point in time.
This^^. My vet will first put his hands all over my horses to look for sore spots, from their ears to their tail, legs, hoof testers, he then watches them move in a very hard packed round pen, then flexes and watches them trot off on concrete. What he sees dictates where we go from there, x-rays, ultra sound, injections or blocking. Be sure you use a vet that is thorough and if you don't have a good place at your barn (hard ground to watch them move) trailer him to a good clinic that has the necessary set up. Good luck with him, if the previous owner was able to keep him sound you should be able to also. | |
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Just call and ask the equine hospital for a full lameness exam, and request enough time for blocks and X-rays. Blocking is where they inject a local anesthetic into each joint starting in the foot to pinpoint where the pain is coming from.
Make sure you get a real equine vet, this is not the time for cow or dog vets.
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Any recommendations on a reasonably price hoof supplement that works good? Do you think that would help or do you think it is irrelevant?
No racetracks near me..I'm new to this area, where my husband and I are, and I only have a wonderful dog vet, and asking for recommendations on vets around here, everyone has a different answer. I found a lady, and talked to their office, so we have an appt for Tuesday at 3. I told the office lady the jist of what is going on.
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| emricmacy - 2017-09-29 10:19 AM
DH=darling husband.
Any recommendations on a reasonably price hoof supplement that works good? Do you think that would help or do you think it is irrelevant?
No racetracks near me..I'm new to this area, where my husband and I are, and I only have a wonderful dog vet, and asking for recommendations on vets around here, everyone has a different answer. I found a lady, and talked to their office, so we have an appt for Tuesday at 3. I told the office lady the jist of what is going on.
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Location: Ohio girl moved to PA | If the hoof issue is internal(navicular) then a hoof supplement isnt going to help that. If he has bad feet/sore/weak then i would suggest a hoof supplement. I personally love the DAC foundation formula, ive had great success with it and its very reasonably priced. Untill you see the vet though i wouldnt be changing anything else. Just wait it out and see what he says. | |
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| Does my description sound like Navicular? How is navicular diagnosed? | |
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| I too, would start with xrays. I'm dealing with a horse right now that kept blowing accesses. Her feet were horrible. I got her diet under control and have a fantastic shoer and we're 5 months into great hoof growth!
I just want to say, since you said you are new to lameness and freaking out, don't let this get to you. Vets will throw out some scary terms and if you come home and search online, things will seem hopeless! I know this from experience.
I bought a horse in 2009 without a vet check. 4 months later I get a diagnosis of navicular. I was a wreck wondering, what did i do? Now, 8 years later she's 22, and sound as can be and still rubbing in the 2/3D.
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| emricmacy - 2017-09-29 10:33 AM Does my description sound like Navicular? How is navicular diagnosed?
Navicular is diagnosed thru X-rays but don't get ahead of yourself. New farrier could have changed his angles, shoe is too small, he could be working on an abscess, there are lots of possibilities. You might give the farrier who shoed him for the old owner a call and have him look at him, you can also take him to the same vet the previous owner used. Don't buy any supplements till you know what you are dealing with. | |
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| Everything is speculation until a vet sees the horse. Here is my advice. Get some Isoxuprine , must come from a vet. Its CHEAP and well tolerated. It will almost immediately give relief from sole pain, bruises, abcesss pain, and Heel pain. You will see results in 36 hours if its going to work. If it does work, its extremely cheap to keep them on it. I have had horses 3 legged lame from bruises that were sound in 36-48 hours. But a vet visit and xrays are in order. Best money you will ever spend. If it turns out to be something chronic, daily previcoxx might be your option. Talk to your vet. | |
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| The thing is, both my husband and I said that we would like to keep things as close to normal for our horse as possible. Therefore, I called the previous farrier, and he said he couldn't travel to where I am boarded for only one horse, and recommended the farrier I am using now. I called my horses's previous vet to see if she could come out, and they are not accepting new clients, so they recommended the practice that is coming out on Tuesday. I don't know much about this practice. I feel lost. I'm trying to do the right thing, but I don't know what that is. | |
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| So start with x-rays and full exam? Ok, got it! Since he has pads on the front, can they still get abscesses? He's worse after the farrier on Monday. Is it strange that just hand walking him he shows no signs of lameness?
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| I am by no means trying to make you more stressed out!! But, I had a horse who was off at the trot, but pretty good at the walk, and perfectly normal lope and run. He would also kind of "come out of it" when he got warm. He had pads on his feet also, since he had laminitis. That was one of the first signs, before he rotated more and got worse. Pads are only put on to treat something, not as a precaution =[ At least in my experience! I agree with everyone else, get xrays of his feet. If he's clean from there, I would block up the leg...ankle, knee. Wishing the best of luck though, and please keep us updated, HUGS! | |
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| emricmacy - 2017-09-29 11:03 AM The thing is, both my husband and I said that we would like to keep things as close to normal for our horse as possible. Therefore, I called the previous farrier, and he said he couldn't travel to where I am boarded for only one horse, and recommended the farrier I am using now. I called my horses's previous vet to see if she could come out, and they are not accepting new clients, so they recommended the practice that is coming out on Tuesday. I don't know much about this practice. I feel lost. I'm trying to do the right thing, but I don't know what that is.
Don't feel lost, everyone has a starting point and you are taking all the necessary steps. If for some reason you don't like this vet, who may turn out to be very good, move on and try another one. I would definitely get X-rays of the feet and joints. I always get them on a new horse so I have a base line to look at for future changes, if any, in the future. | |
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| emricmacy - 2017-09-29 11:15 AM
Should I stop riding until the vet visit?
Yes, I would. No need to aggravate the problem. And you might be able to tell if he gets better or worse with rest/time off.
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Location: North Dakota | emricmacy - 2017-09-29 10:33 AM Does my description sound like Navicular? How is navicular diagnosed? It's how my horse with navicular changes started out, which I why I said it. He was prone to abcesses, we padded him, and eventually started using pads with wedges. He stopped abcessing, he's more sound, but not 100% and never will be, but he is comfortable and has a good quality of life, so I keep him around as a pasture ornament.
They diagnose navicular with rads AND it's not an end all these days, so don't get all freaked out. Lots they can do to keep them sound enough to perform. Mine just has some other issues that it really just got too costly to maintenance him, so he has early retirement:)
ETA: Another poster said don't get ahead of yourself and I have to agree. It could be that he is working on an abcess in there, as they can still get them with pads on.
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Location: Opelousas, LA | emricmacy - 2017-09-29 11:15 AM Should I stop riding until the vet visit?
I would go ahead and ride, time off may make it harder for the vet to find a problem. Sounds like whatever is going on is chronic, not a new injury so I doubt you would hurt anything by riding especially if he warms up out of it. | |
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| Barnmom - 2017-09-29 1:58 PM emricmacy - 2017-09-29 11:15 AM Should I stop riding until the vet visit? I would go ahead and ride, time off may make it harder for the vet to find a problem. Sounds like whatever is going on is chronic, not a new injury so I doubt you would hurt anything by riding especially if he warms up out of it.
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| Thanks ladies! I will ride him tomorrow and see how he is. We have a lesson scheduled for Sunday evening, so will see how he is tomorrow. I have so much built up stress right now. Maybe a horse is not in the cards for me! Maybe it should have been left a dream..  | |
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| Not every diagnosis of navicular is true navicular either. There are many vets who will call any "unexplainable" foot soreness navicular. A GREAT farrier will do wonders. Some horses have thinner soles, some are prone to heel soreness. I had a horse that many farriers put in pads, wedges even. Was never 100%. Found me an amazing farrier that understands balance and support. No more pads, no more wedges. Just plain old steel rim shoes. To me pads and wedges are a distant last resort, I am not a fan. This same farrier took a "navicular" horse of mine that was supposed to be in all kinds of special shoes and made her sound with regular shoes and balance. He also firmly believes in time off of shoes, and likes a horse to have 2 to 3 months off of shoes a year if possible. | |
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| Meep.Meep thank you!
I am giving 100% into trying to give him the best life I can, but I'm new to this area when it comes to owning a horse. I've lived here 6 year with my husband, but didn't ride before I bought this horse. There is not much in my area for boarding, and I don't know anyone. I've met a few ladies at the barn, and each have their own opinion on vet's/farriers. He is cold shod right now, and someone suggested a great farrier, but he hot shoes, and the girl I've been taking lessons with said she used him for a few years, really likes him, but said her main rodeo horse now has tons of cracks in his feet because of too much hot shoeing...and I didn't know if I wanted to try hot shoeing with him as he hasn't had that before..
As for the farrier I use now, he is considered the "barn" farrier. He does about 40 horses in the barn, and some people like him, some don't. His feet look good after his shoeing on Monday, but now he's more lame as he was before the shoeing. He comes every Monday (never when I'm there, as he comes in the AM). I just can't keep taking time off of work or else I will lose my job. I'm leaving early next Tuesday for the vet appointment. I'm trying my best. I just don't know why the girl I bought him from could keep him sound, and I've had him for a month and he's been off and on lame... | |
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| You're welcome. I am not a big hot shoeing fan, but have never had a need for it so maybe that's why. Finding a great farrier is hard, I told mine the other day that if he ever can't do mine he needs to teach me how to do them because I don't want to have to go back to hoof issues and unsoundness.
Don't let this stress you out. I know, easier said than done. Honestly if he warms up out of it, is sounds at a walk and a lope, works the barrels nicely, his issues can't be TOO terrible. I am sure a little maintenance and he'll be just fine. | |
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| When I owned my Hanoverian gelding YEARS ago, all I knew was hot shoeing, but after talking to my trainer, she's not a fan of it. It's hard to know exactly what to do. Having sold everything horse related I owned years ago, I'm slowly rebuilding, but it's $100 here, $80 here, and it's adding up, but no complaints. Hopefully this vet can be of some help on Tuesday, if not, then there is another vet that says they will come to my area. When I was trying to find a farrier, it was either they wouldn't come out for just one horse, or they were not accepting new clients.
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Location: Texas | Years and years ago, when I was in farrier school, we learned that legally, you should be able to get your money back. It sounds like you can prove it. I believe I'd be talking to the seller. And the sooner the vet x-rays him, the better. A horse doesn't develop navicular changes overnight.
On the other hand, he could just have a hot nail. I have a wimpy gelding that's tender footed and he does lots better with pads on his feet. | |
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Location: Mountains of VA | If he is heavy on the front end, then start with hind end issues. Is he worse in one direction or the other doing circles? Is he o.k. from the beginning going straight then is off in one direction or the other in a circle? He warms up and feels great, maybe he is stiff in one stifle or hock than the other. I'm not convinced that the front end is the place to start with this horse, I think it is a symptom of not being able to shift weight to the hind end. | |
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| I know how frustrating this can be. I purchased a horse 6 hours away, he was perfectly fine when i rode him. The woman was very upfront with me and i felt she was honest as far as any lameness issues, etc.
I brought him home, a week later he came up lame. Had vet do a total work up on him, etc. They couldn't find anything, but possibly a shoulder injury. Long story short, I got back in touch with the previous owner, and she was nice enough to trade him for another horse she had for sale.
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| Fun2Run - 2017-09-29 11:17 PM Years and years ago, when I was in farrier school, we learned that legally, you should be able to get your money back. It sounds like you can prove it. I believe I'd be talking to the seller. And the sooner the vet x-rays him, the better. A horse doesn't develop navicular changes overnight.
On the other hand, he could just have a hot nail. I have a wimpy gelding that's tender footed and he does lots better with pads on his feet.
It would be very difficult for her to prove fraud or misrepresentation and get her money back. She would have to prove not only that the horse has navicular changes (or another issue) that started before she purchased it, but also that the seller knew about this and did not disclose. Since she didn't do a vet check, the burden of proof will be that much more difficult to meet.
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| Little bit of an update:rode him today and he was perfect. 100% sound. We have a lesson tomorrow night at 6 so will see how he does. I think I should still keep my appointment for Tuesday with the vet, right? I'm thinking still have her start with a lameness exam and x-rays. And then go from there. Even though I don't know what's wrong yet, I have learned my lesson already about doing a pre purchase exam. I don't regret buying him whatsoever! I truly love him, and he's been a great/fun teacher so far! I'm hoping it's nothing major. I really appreciated all of your insight and advice! I will update after our lesson.
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| Well he came up lame yesterday in our lesson right out of the gate. I'm pretty frustrated. Saturday he was perfect. The walk and lope yesterday were flawless. She said she thinks it might be his right front that is bothering him. She said trotting to the left he moves out more and shows less signs of being off, but trotting right he doesn't want to extend out. I came to a halt in the arena and her and I talked for 15 min then went off in s trot, and he came up the lamest I have seen him yet. She also threw out the idea of arthritis..
His demeanor has not changed. He doesn't offer to buck, doesn't pin his ears, seems happy.
His pasture is extremely rocky, not sure if that plays any part.
She didn't feel any heat coming from him.
She also said maybe an abscess is forming?
She said she really likes BOT products, and said depending on what the vet finds, look into some of those products. Last week in VT the weather has been crazy, 85-90 degrees, and past few days high is around 50 with nights being in the 30's. | |
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Location: Mountains of VA | Check left stifle and hock since he is worse tracking right............standing around is the worst thing to do even when your instructor is talking, keep walking your horse around.
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| Thanks! Will definitely not stand around again! I think the inconsistency is getting to me. I don't understand it! Sat he was perfect, and yesterday the trot was awful, but the canter is flawless. ActiFlex comes today, so will start him on that tomorrow, was already planning on doing so before all this. | |
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| Here are three videos. They are not the best quality at all, I'm sorry. The two barrel racing videos are from last Sat. (Keep in mind, that was my 2nd time ever running barrels) The longer video is from yesterday. Again, I'm sorry for the quality. I really appreciate everyone helping me with his lameness issues. There are a couple times on the flat work video that you can see him tracking to the right, and he's off. I posted these videos for you all so maybe we can try to figure out the issue. Thank you!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSsJATyrH6Y Flatwork Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd51IMEVkrA Barrels
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naWXCGiCrGM Barrels
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| Just got a call from the barn manager, he is severely lame on his front end. She said he didn't even know what foot to stand on. My stomach is literally in knots! I can't believe this. I guess I'm in shock. Have had him for a little over a month..
I'm glad the barn manager called me, she said she put him outside, and he was acting a little better with movement. I am completely lost. I don't know what to do. | |
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| Sounds like hot nail/abcess. Hopefully the vet can come today. I'd probably pull the shoes and start wrapping with strong iodine if it were me. | |
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| Meep.Meep. Thank you! The barn manager said he was pretty bad when she led him to the pasture, but once he was moving, he was a little better. She said he looked tight.
I did break down and text his previous owner to get her opinion, and she said he only went lame for her when he had an abscess. My trainer did show me a few stretches, but she only stretched him for less than 5 min, just to show me how to do it, and he actually liked it. He just stood there, and enjoyed it. I don't think the stretches have anything to do with today? We took it easy yesterday in our lesson, no barrel practice, just w/t/l. He didn't buck, or do anything nasty to tell me he was in pain, and when I left him last night, he was happy and content.
I'm waiting to hear back from the vet, but I am going to go to the barn tonight either way! I will probably just hand walk him outside for a bit.
I did a little research on the older threads here and what about this mixture in case he has an abscess?
1 cup mud (such as Ice Tight)
1/4 cup Iccathamol
2 TBS Epsom Salts
1 tsp alum
Do I just mix it all together, and apply like a paste, and cover with vet wrap, then with duct tape? Sorry, I will most likely be doing this by myself, and want to get it right. I only have a Tractor Supply close to me, so I'm hoping they have all this, but I have to stop at the pharmacy tonight. Any advice to make this "easier" would be great!
He does NOT like puddle of water, so soaking in a water bath is probably out.
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Location: South Georgia | emricmacy - 2017-10-02 2:18 PM Meep.Meep. Thank you! The barn manager said he was pretty bad when she led him to the pasture, but once he was moving, he was a little better. She said he looked tight. I did break down and text his previous owner to get her opinion, and she said he only went lame for her when he had an abscess. My trainer did show me a few stretches, but she only stretched him for less than 5 min, just to show me how to do it, and he actually liked it. He just stood there, and enjoyed it. I don't think the stretches have anything to do with today? We took it easy yesterday in our lesson, no barrel practice, just w/t/l. He didn't buck, or do anything nasty to tell me he was in pain, and when I left him last night, he was happy and content. I'm waiting to hear back from the vet, but I am going to go to the barn tonight either way! I will probably just hand walk him outside for a bit. I did a little research on the older threads here and what about this mixture in case he has an abscess? 1 cup mud (such as Ice Tight) 1/4 cup Iccathamol 2 TBS Epsom Salts 1 tsp alum Do I just mix it all together, and apply like a paste, and cover with vet wrap, then with duct tape? Sorry, I will most likely be doing this by myself, and want to get it right. I only have a Tractor Supply close to me, so I'm hoping they have all this, but I have to stop at the pharmacy tonight. Any advice to make this "easier" would be great! He does NOT like puddle of water, so soaking in a water bath is probably out.
I have always just soaked in Epsom salts. For a horse that will NOT do the bucket/pan of water method, you could pick up one of those medicine boots. TSC probably has one. I'd be a little ticked about the vet not calling me back for a horse in pain. | |
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| Just talked to the vet, she doesn't think it's an abscess since he's been lame on and off for over a month. She said to give him some bute tonight, but not tomorrow, and she will see him tomorrow afternoon. She asked if he was laying down, not eating, and I said none of that, so she didn't feel like it was an emergency. | |
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| Well the vet visit went good, she was very nice and thorough. His diagnosis is moderate/severe pasturn arthritis in his right front. Not exactly what we wanted to hear. We did a general exam and she thought he looked good, did flexion test, blocking, and then front X-rays. The blocking helped her narrow down what area is the problem, then the X-rays confirmed. It's pretty substantial arthritis. She said it was nothing I did, as I've only had him for little over a month. She said he's had this for a decent amount of time 1+ years.
Husband and I are pretty mad at ourselves, as we should have done a prepurchse exam, and we wouldn't have bought him. Vet believes previous owner buted him up. Lesson learned!! But, an expensive lesson! She said our only really treatment options are adequan injections IM once a month (after a loading dose) and inject the pasturn. She did prescribe previcox but said that not all horses respond to it.
Previcox=$36 for 40 days. 1/4 of a tables once a day
1 bottle adequan=$385
Injections in pasturn=$250-260
She said all horses respond differently to injections, and she said it would be worth it to try. She also said that some people have to inject the pasturn severe 6 months and others can get away with once a year. I'm also going to get a tub of bute from her this week in case he needs it.
I have him started on Actiflex pellets, and am wondering if I should keep him on what previous owner had him on Forefront Forebasics? Am I just wasting my money? What is it really doing? I'm almost out, so I need to decide.
Now that we have a diagnosis, I would appreciate any advice on what to do, maintenance care, supplements that might be beneficial, etc.
Would BOT quick wraps or bell boots be beneficial? I tried to upload his X-rays but it said they were too big.
Thanks everyone!
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| emricmacy - 2017-10-04 4:18 AM Well the vet visit went good, she was very nice and thorough. His diagnosis is moderate/severe pasturn arthritis in his right front. Not exactly what we wanted to hear. We did a general exam and she thought he looked good, did flexion test, blocking, and then front X-rays. The blocking helped her narrow down what area is the problem, then the X-rays confirmed. It's pretty substantial arthritis. She said it was nothing I did, as I've only had him for little over a month. She said he's had this for a decent amount of time 1+ years. Husband and I are pretty mad at ourselves, as we should have done a prepurchse exam, and we wouldn't have bought him. Vet believes previous owner buted him up. Lesson learned!! But, an expensive lesson! She said our only really treatment options are adequan injections IM once a month (after a loading dose) and inject the pasturn. She did prescribe previcox but said that not all horses respond to it. Previcox=$36 for 40 days. 1/4 of a tables once a day 1 bottle adequan=$385 Injections in pasturn=$250-260 She said all horses respond differently to injections, and she said it would be worth it to try. She also said that some people have to inject the pasturn severe 6 months and others can get away with once a year. I'm also going to get a tub of bute from her this week in case he needs it. I have him started on Actiflex pellets, and am wondering if I should keep him on what previous owner had him on Forefront Forebasics? Am I just wasting my money? What is it really doing? I'm almost out, so I need to decide. Now that we have a diagnosis, I would appreciate any advice on what to do, maintenance care, supplements that might be beneficial, etc. Would BOT quick wraps or bell boots be beneficial? I tried to upload his X-rays but it said they were too big. Thanks everyone!
So sorry, I would stick with the injectables-adequan. There are a gazillion feed thru products and my personal opinion is very few of them are effective. If you do use one look for one that is backed by research, proven that it is in a form that can be absorbed by the stomach. Many products just go right thru the horse.
You may be able to find previcox on line with a prescription from your vet. I paid $130 for a bottle of 60 227mg tablets, 1/4 day so 240 days-8 months-$16 month. This source is no longer available but Valley Vet has the 60 bottle for $156. You can also get adequan on line. Good luck with him | |
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Location: South Georgia | I don't believe in feed-through joint supplements, and there is some research on the lack of effectiveness as well readily available in publications and the internet. I would do the injection and the Adequan. You may want to ask if you could do Pentosan instead, however. It is cheaper (about 180/bottle) and it lasts about 6 months if you do a loading dose and a monthly followup. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | emricmacy - 2017-10-04 4:18 AM Well the vet visit went good, she was very nice and thorough. His diagnosis is moderate/severe pasturn arthritis in his right front. Not exactly what we wanted to hear. We did a general exam and she thought he looked good, did flexion test, blocking, and then front X-rays. The blocking helped her narrow down what area is the problem, then the X-rays confirmed. It's pretty substantial arthritis. She said it was nothing I did, as I've only had him for little over a month. She said he's had this for a decent amount of time 1+ years. Husband and I are pretty mad at ourselves, as we should have done a prepurchse exam, and we wouldn't have bought him. Vet believes previous owner buted him up. Lesson learned!! But, an expensive lesson! She said our only really treatment options are adequan injections IM once a month (after a loading dose) and inject the pasturn. She did prescribe previcox but said that not all horses respond to it. Previcox=$36 for 40 days. 1/4 of a tables once a day 1 bottle adequan=$385 Injections in pasturn=$250-260 She said all horses respond differently to injections, and she said it would be worth it to try. She also said that some people have to inject the pasturn severe 6 months and others can get away with once a year. I'm also going to get a tub of bute from her this week in case he needs it. I have him started on Actiflex pellets, and am wondering if I should keep him on what previous owner had him on Forefront Forebasics? Am I just wasting my money? What is it really doing? I'm almost out, so I need to decide. Now that we have a diagnosis, I would appreciate any advice on what to do, maintenance care, supplements that might be beneficial, etc. Would BOT quick wraps or bell boots be beneficial? I tried to upload his X-rays but it said they were too big. Thanks everyone!
When the other people had this horse did they keep it stalled up or was it turned out in a pasture? | |
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| Previous owner had him out 24/7 pretty much. They brought him in for inclement weather, and twice a day for feeding. | |
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Location: mi | Me personally I would do the joint injection as necessary. Vet is right could be every couple months or once a year. possibly do an injectable joint supplement. Get the BOT quick wraps. and a bottle of Lameaway to spray on the joint on race or lesson day just for some extra feel good.
Its not the end of the world. Not knowing what you paid if he is a good and safe and fun horse to teach you how to run on then this little bit of maintenance is money well spent. | |
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| I paid $5k for him. He is safe, LOVES to barrel race, loves pole bending, loves his job. Vet doesn't think he would be able to barrel race more than once a week, which is disappointing as I wanted to do a lot with him, and go a lot of places with him, but I guess we will see..
Vet had me lunge him yesterday, and he felt good, was bucking, having a good time!
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| emricmacy - 2017-10-04 9:17 AM Previous owner had him out 24/7 pretty much. They brought him in for inclement weather, and twice a day for feeding.
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| The barn he is at now, they are out pretty much from 8am-4pm. They would probably do 24/7 turnout, but there is no run in shelter, and I would lose a stall. | |
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Location: South Georgia | emricmacy - 2017-10-04 10:32 AM The barn he is at now, they are out pretty much from 8am-4pm. They would probably do 24/7 turnout, but there is no run in shelter, and I would lose a stall.
I don't know if you are in a northern climate, but my mare stays out 24/7 with no shelter (other than a few trees), and they are all just fine. May be better for his arthritis than standing all night in the stall. | |
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| emricmacy - 2017-10-04 9:31 AM I paid $5k for him. He is safe, LOVES to barrel race, loves pole bending, loves his job. Vet doesn't think he would be able to barrel race more than once a week, which is disappointing as I wanted to do a lot with him, and go a lot of places with him, but I guess we will see.. Vet had me lunge him yesterday, and he felt good, was bucking, having a good time! 5K sounds reasonable even with the maintenance required, most all of us do some type of maintenance and preventative. You never know how he will do, he may be able to go more than once a week once you find the right treatment for him. Exercise is great for keeping arthritis under control, if you can arrange for him to be out 24/7 that would benefit him
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | emricmacy - 2017-10-04 9:17 AM Previous owner had him out 24/7 pretty much. They brought him in for inclement weather, and twice a day for feeding.
When a horse has arthritis and is use to be turned out the way he was with the other people and then being sold and kept stalled up with limity time turn out I can see where the arthritis would start bothering him, I can bet my bottom dollar that they didnt know about the arthritis and didnt have him buted when you tryed him out. A friend of mine sold his old rope horse to some people that stalled him too and when they would go ride him he was sore and stiff in his back end off on one of his back legs, it was due to him being stalled up, he was not use to being kept in a stall and was on pasture all his life untill these people bought him once they started to keep in a pasture again he got better and no more problems.. If I were you I would board him in a place that he can stay turned out and have a run in shelter. | |
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Location: mi | That price sounds more then fair for what he knows and can do and for what you are dealing with. I am guessing you will be able to do just about everything you want once you figure out his best treatment. The injection will give you all you are going to get between days 3-10. After about day 10 you should not see an increase in the amount of soundness. So at that point you will know how those helped. I am with the rest that say as much turn out as possible. I like mine to have a shelter more from the sun and bugs in the summer and cold spring and fall rains then anything else. so if there is not shelter I would also opt for some stall time. But out as early and in as late as possible and in the summer maybe night turn out instead. Stomping at flys all day is not going to feel real good to him either. But honestly that is a good price for him even with the issue so just figure it out and enjoy your boy. | |
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| ajs2002 - 2017-10-04 9:45 AM
That price sounds more then fair for what he knows and can do and for what you are dealing with. I am guessing you will be able to do just about everything you want once you figure out his best treatment. The injection will give you all you are going to get between days 3-10. After about day 10 you should not see an increase in the amount of soundness. So at that point you will know how those helped. I am with the rest that say as much turn out as possible. I like mine to have a shelter more from the sun and bugs in the summer and cold spring and fall rains then anything else. so if there is not shelter I would also opt for some stall time. But out as early and in as late as possible and in the summer maybe night turn out instead. Stomping at flys all day is not going to feel real good to him either. But honestly that is a good price for him even with the issue so just figure it out and enjoy your boy.
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Location: North Dakota | emricmacy - 2017-10-04 9:54 AM ajs2002 - 2017-10-04 9:45 AM That price sounds more then fair for what he knows and can do and for what you are dealing with. I am guessing you will be able to do just about everything you want once you figure out his best treatment. The injection will give you all you are going to get between days 3-10. After about day 10 you should not see an increase in the amount of soundness. So at that point you will know how those helped. I am with the rest that say as much turn out as possible. I like mine to have a shelter more from the sun and bugs in the summer and cold spring and fall rains then anything else. so if there is not shelter I would also opt for some stall time. But out as early and in as late as possible and in the summer maybe night turn out instead. Stomping at flys all day is not going to feel real good to him either. But honestly that is a good price for him even with the issue so just figure it out and enjoy your boy. Are you talking about the pasturn injection or adequan? So it only works between 3-10 days?
The injections should last, depending on the severity of it, 60-90 days, maybe longer like your vet said, however I think a year is being extremely optimistic, especially since the arthritis is moderate to severe. I'm not sure of the Adequan injections and how long they last. I honestly could never tell a difference and in my experiences I've not seen them stretch any injection to the point that it would substantiate the additional cost either.
Glad you finally found out what is causing the intermittent lameness. My only suggestion is to stay on top of the pain and see how it goes with regards to competition.
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| emricmacy - 2017-10-04 9:54 AM
ajs2002 - 2017-10-04 9:45 AM
That price sounds more then fair for what he knows and can do and for what you are dealing with. I am guessing you will be able to do just about everything you want once you figure out his best treatment. The injection will give you all you are going to get between days 3-10. After about day 10 you should not see an increase in the amount of soundness. So at that point you will know how those helped. I am with the rest that say as much turn out as possible. I like mine to have a shelter more from the sun and bugs in the summer and cold spring and fall rains then anything else. so if there is not shelter I would also opt for some stall time. But out as early and in as late as possible and in the summer maybe night turn out instead. Stomping at flys all day is not going to feel real good to him either. But honestly that is a good price for him even with the issue so just figure it out and enjoy your boy.
Are you talking about the pasturn injection or adequan? So it only works between 3-10 days?
I'm thinking she means the pastern injection. No, it will last longer than that - what she's saying is that you won't see continued improvement after 10 days. After day 10 should be a plateau if that makes sense. | |
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Location: mi | k.maddocks24 - 2017-10-04 11:19 AM emricmacy - 2017-10-04 9:54 AM ajs2002 - 2017-10-04 9:45 AM That price sounds more then fair for what he knows and can do and for what you are dealing with. I am guessing you will be able to do just about everything you want once you figure out his best treatment. The injection will give you all you are going to get between days 3-10. After about day 10 you should not see an increase in the amount of soundness. So at that point you will know how those helped. I am with the rest that say as much turn out as possible. I like mine to have a shelter more from the sun and bugs in the summer and cold spring and fall rains then anything else. so if there is not shelter I would also opt for some stall time. But out as early and in as late as possible and in the summer maybe night turn out instead. Stomping at flys all day is not going to feel real good to him either. But honestly that is a good price for him even with the issue so just figure it out and enjoy your boy. Are you talking about the pasturn injection or adequan? So it only works between 3-10 days? I'm thinking she means the pastern injection. No, it will last longer than that - what she's saying is that you won't see continued improvement after 10 days. After day 10 should be a plateau if that makes sense.
What she said ^^^^^^. Joint Injections themselves. Take between 3-10 days to see the top results you are going to see from the injection itself. At that point it is as good as it is going to get. That level of soundness will then last from 6 weeks to 6 months. Some say a year but I have yet to see that! Sorry for the confusion. I just didn't want you to walk out the day after and expect your horse to walk off sound. | |
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| I didn't read back through the whole thing, but if you've had his feet done by your farrier since you got him, most farriers have their own way of doing feet and will drastically change the angles on a new horse! Changing the angles quickly can irritate the arthritis and cause soreness. Also, changing turnout, especially into heavy terrain, can cause flare ups. Glad you figured out the problem. Don't rule out OsPhos or Tildren, both are very good drugs for this kind of thing! | |
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| The pasture he is in now, the upper and middle part is VERY rocky, I don't know how many times I've rolled my ankle walking out to get him. I don't think the horses stand up there much. When the vet comes out again, she said she is going to explain a few things that I should maybe mention to the farrier about his shoeing, different things we can try. I am going to definitely talk to the barn owner and see what options I have for either keeping him out longer, or full time. I will just lose my stall privileges if I go to 24/7 turnout.
Vet also said that he's going to be very sore after she injects his pasterns, and he will need to be kept inside for a week or more..Is this correct? I'm wondering if that will make him worse?
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| emricmacy - 2017-10-04 12:33 PM The pasture he is in now, the upper and middle part is VERY rocky, I don't know how many times I've rolled my ankle walking out to get him. I don't think the horses stand up there much. When the vet comes out again, she said she is going to explain a few things that I should maybe mention to the farrier about his shoeing, different things we can try. I am going to definitely talk to the barn owner and see what options I have for either keeping him out longer, or full time. I will just lose my stall privileges if I go to 24/7 turnout. Vet also said that he's going to be very sore after she injects his pasterns, and he will need to be kept inside for a week or more..Is this correct? I'm wondering if that will make him worse?
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Location: South Georgia | emricmacy - 2017-10-04 1:33 PM The pasture he is in now, the upper and middle part is VERY rocky, I don't know how many times I've rolled my ankle walking out to get him. I don't think the horses stand up there much. When the vet comes out again, she said she is going to explain a few things that I should maybe mention to the farrier about his shoeing, different things we can try. I am going to definitely talk to the barn owner and see what options I have for either keeping him out longer, or full time. I will just lose my stall privileges if I go to 24/7 turnout. Vet also said that he's going to be very sore after she injects his pasterns, and he will need to be kept inside for a week or more..Is this correct? I'm wondering if that will make him worse?
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Location: Canada | I don't think the people buted him for you to try him. Especially since you're using the same trainer, and live in the same community. I think his problem has been intensified since he's been stalled. I agree with others he needs to be out 24/7 so he doesn't get so stiff and sore.
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Location: mi | I just had my horses pastern injected a month ago. My vets protocol is 24 hour stalled. then 2 days of free time. Basically can be turned out but not worked. Then I am free to start back to work after that. My horse at the trainer was stalled for like 3 days and week off for a hock injection. All vets have their own wants from what I have seen some are more conservative then others. But of the probably 8 or so different vets I have had inject different joints on different horses over the years all have asked for at least 24 hours stall rest after injection. | |
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| I do worry a little bit about him being out 24/7, but agree that it sounds like the best for him. They do not fly spray at the barn I am at, and the flies are pretty bad (and let me tell you, he HATES the flies). But, I could always look into the topical/spot on treatments if he's going to be out 24/7. We are not allowed to use the cross ties, yeah, I know. Myself, I HATE tacking up in the stall! I love cross ties, and they don't allow you to use the cross ties, and her barn is completely full, so I would have to ask her about that. Also, there is no run in shed out in the pasture, so he would have no where to go in inclement weather..And I'm not sure how he would get his grain/supplements.. | |
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| RunNitroRun - 2017-10-04 12:56 PM
I don't think the people buted him for you to try him. Especially since you're using the same trainer, and live in the same community. I think his problem has been intensified since he's been stalled. I agree with others he needs to be out 24/7 so he doesn't get so stiff and sore.
Go with the joint injection and see how he does.
I agree. It can be easy to jump to conclusions without considering the huge changes the horse just went through -- whether the issues that arise are physical or behavioral. In this case, the horse went from 24/7 turnout to being stalled regularly and has been trimmed by a different farrier. His riding/exercise program is probably different in terms on frequency and intensity. Possibly a diet/supplement change, too?
OP, I hope you can find a good management program for him and accomplish everything you wanted to do with him. I'd ask his previous owner about how she kept him and try to replicate some of that. Good luck! | |
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Location: South Georgia | Ah, so they dont feed horses outside at all? They'd be unwilling to walk him in for 20 minutes at each feeding? Don't take offense to this, but your boarding barn doesn't sound like one I'd be a big fan of. Have you ever considered moving him somewhere else? If you don't pay for a stall, you cant use crossties? Couldn't you just tie him with a single tie, as you would at your trailer. Or, speaking of the trailer, cant you just tie him to that to do all your grooming? That is what I do. I only go into the barn to use the arena, or to use the washracks. Sorry to bombard you with questions, but your boarding facility, although big, does not sound very accomodating. | |
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Location: North Dakota | emricmacy - 2017-10-04 1:17 PM I do worry a little bit about him being out 24/7, but agree that it sounds like the best for him. They do not fly spray at the barn I am at, and the flies are pretty bad (and let me tell you, he HATES the flies). But, I could always look into the topical/spot on treatments if he's going to be out 24/7. We are not allowed to use the cross ties, yeah, I know. Myself, I HATE tacking up in the stall! I love cross ties, and they don't allow you to use the cross ties, and her barn is completely full, so I would have to ask her about that. Also, there is no run in shed out in the pasture, so he would have no where to go in inclement weather..And I'm not sure how he would get his grain/supplements..
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| 123barrelracer - 2017-10-04 1:19 PM
RunNitroRun - 2017-10-04 12:56 PM
I don't think the people buted him for you to try him. Especially since you're using the same trainer, and live in the same community. I think his problem has been intensified since he's been stalled. I agree with others he needs to be out 24/7 so he doesn't get so stiff and sore.
Go with the joint injection and see how he does.
I agree. It can be easy to jump to conclusions without considering the huge changes the horse just went through -- whether the issues that arise are physical or behavioral. In this case, the horse went from 24/7 turnout to being stalled regularly and has been trimmed by a different farrier. His riding/exercise program is probably different in terms on frequency and intensity. Possibly a diet/supplement change, too?
OP, I hope you can find a good management program for him and accomplish everything you wanted to do with him. I'd ask his previous owner about how she kept him and try to replicate some of that. Good luck!
Her and I have been in contact very frequently, and I kept him on the same supplement she was on, and bought a bag of the feed she was feeding to transition him on to what he eats now. I tried to get her same farrier and vet, but the farrier would not come to where I board for one horse, and the vet is not accepting new clients. I've been doing my best to try and keep his regimen as close to what she was doing. | |
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| horsegirl - 2017-10-04 1:21 PM
Ah, so they dont feed horses outside at all? They'd be unwilling to walk him in for 20 minutes at each feeding? Don't take offense to this, but your boarding barn doesn't sound like one I'd be a big fan of. Have you ever considered moving him somewhere else? If you don't pay for a stall, you cant use crossties? Couldn't you just tie him with a single tie, as you would at your trailer. Or, speaking of the trailer, cant you just tie him to that to do all your grooming? That is what I do. I only go into the barn to use the arena, or to use the washracks. Sorry to bombard you with questions, but your boarding facility, although big, does not sound very accomodating.
No, they do not grain feed the horses that are out 24/7, just hay. No one is allowed to use the cross ties. I am looking into options elsewhere. I don't keep my trailer there. She does a lot of kids lessons, and apparently I was told that is the reason why no one can use the cross-ties.
I'm definitely going to talk to the barn owner and see how much she is willing to work with me! | |
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| How far are you from the barn?? You couldn't go out there once a day, either morning or night, to give your horse supplements, etc? | |
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| BFN - 2017-10-04 2:04 PM
How far are you from the barn?? You couldn't go out there once a day, either morning or night, to give your horse supplements, etc?
I'm about an hour from the barn. Like I said, going to talk to the barn owner and see how much she's willing to work with me. If not, they I will look elsewhere. | |
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| WYOTurn-n-Burn - 2017-10-04 1:23 PM
emricmacy - 2017-10-04 1:17 PM I do worry a little bit about him being out 24/7, but agree that it sounds like the best for him. They do not fly spray at the barn I am at, and the flies are pretty bad (and let me tell you, he HATES the flies). But, I could always look into the topical/spot on treatments if he's going to be out 24/7. We are not allowed to use the cross ties, yeah, I know. Myself, I HATE tacking up in the stall! I love cross ties, and they don't allow you to use the cross ties, and her barn is completely full, so I would have to ask her about that. Also, there is no run in shed out in the pasture, so he would have no where to go in inclement weather..And I'm not sure how he would get his grain/supplements..
Look into ShooFly Leggings!! You can use them when you kick your horse out to pasture. Seriously cuts down on the amount of stomping that they do.
Yes, the Shoofly Leggins are wonderful! | |
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Lameness..where do I start?