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| They do not expect anti biotics and other medical interventions to be free? What is the difference?? I understand birth-control is a very valuable tool just like eating healthy, exercising is also for a healthy lifestyle butthere is not an expectation from employers to pay for healthy meals, pay for your gym membership. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | When I was on it, it was totally out of pocket. The generics were less than $15/month. Has that changed because of insurance coverage? It's been 10 years since I took anything. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | I knew that he had. I was wondering if BC pills had gotten more expensive in the last 10 years because of insurance covering them. Since no one cares what things cost if they're not paying for it. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Three 4 Luck - 2017-10-06 4:12 PM I knew that he had. I was wondering if BC pills had gotten more expensive in the last 10 years because of insurance covering them. Since no one cares what things cost if they're not paying for it.
With my insurance I paid $60 for one month of Lo Estren BC Pill. I even get the generic form of this pill and still paid $60 for one month. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | IRunOnFaith - 2017-10-06 4:35 PM Three 4 Luck - 2017-10-06 4:12 PM I knew that he had. I was wondering if BC pills had gotten more expensive in the last 10 years because of insurance covering them. Since no one cares what things cost if they're not paying for it. With my insurance I paid $60 for one month of Lo Estren BC Pill. I even get the generic form of this pill and still paid $60 for one month.
I'll take that as a yes, then. Eek! |
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| Not to sound snarky but my mother’s heart medication is $180/month, I truly do not understand why it is expected to be free. It has become a false talking point that it is a war on women.
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Location: Texas | Do the insurance companies still cover Viagia? |
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Location: Kansas | I get the depo, and have paid for it for the past 4 years now out of pocket, granted I have insurance which covers so much. I'm one that doesn't believe it shouldn't be free....but then again, look at some that "breed" and think they should have been on BC in the first place smh |
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| RocketPilot - 2017-10-06 5:21 PM Do the insurance companies still cover Viagia?
Yes And they still cover birth control for women, companies can no longer be forced to pay for it 100%, no longer free you have to pay your co-pay.
Viagra to my knowledge was never free, I don’t know of any medication for men the companies were forced to pay 100% of. |
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Location: sunny california | umm it is basically math. i am not for freebies but happy accidents are costing us a fortune. Yes everyone SHOULD be responsible, and it is not like it costs a million dollars a month, but do you really want people who can not even afford birth control to have children? |
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| kwanatha - 2017-10-06 6:55 PM umm it is basically math. i am not for freebies but happy accidents are costing us a fortune. Yes everyone SHOULD be responsible, and it is not like it costs a million dollars a month, but do you really want people who can not even afford birth control to have children?
Great points which is why it is available at many clinics free or very low cost for those who can’t afford it. |
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| I think if they’re going to “give” something out it should be the uterine implants...and not just because I had to pay out the ass for it (but by the time you do the math over it’s lifespan it’s on par if not cheaper).
Because it’s fool proof. Not 100% fool proof but it takes the user error out of it.
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Location: Florida | Men get free Viagra, abortion is being restricted, medicare and well baby care are going away, and now birth control cost so much. Who is going to deal with these unwanted kids? The answer is they are going to be in school with your children, beating them up, hitting the teacher, acting out so your kid can't learn. and then we get to pay for them to be in prison. I think birth control is a better option.
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| Vickie - 2017-10-06 8:12 PM Men get free Viagra, abortion is being restricted, medicare and well baby care are going away, and now birth control cost so much. Who is going to deal with these unwanted kids? The answer is they are going to be in school with your children, beating them up, hitting the teacher, acting out so your kid can't learn. and then we get to pay for them to be in prison. I think birth control is a better option.
Wow, first off Viagra is only free if you have no income, same for birth control. Can you get more insulting that all unwanted kids are going to grow
up violent juvies hitting their teachers, do you know how many people you just insulted???? I am no way advocating for unwanted births but there are plenty of unplanned pregnancies with happy endings and unfortunately plenty of planned pregnancies with unhappy endings for the children. Birth control is a great option, is a $15 or $ 20 copay going to stop most from utilizing it? The mandate does not stop access to it, it does stop others having to pay 100% of someone else’s birth control. |
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I can't say that I have any expectations of what it should cost. But the price is right for now.
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Vickie - 2017-10-06 9:12 PM Men get free Viagra, abortion is being restricted, medicare and well baby care are going away, and now birth control cost so much. Who is going to deal with these unwanted kids? The answer is they are going to be in school with your children, beating them up, hitting the teacher, acting out so your kid can't learn. and then we get to pay for them to be in prison. I think birth control is a better option.
Genocide much?
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| I work full time and have health and dental insurance for my husband and I through my employer. I pay around $800/month for our insurance, and my birth control is free. I'm not sure why, but right now I'm not complaining. I do not expect it to be free! |
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| If employers choose to cover it 100%, that is great, I just don’t think they should be forced to. |
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Location: Florida | 1DSoon - 2017-10-07 8:10 AM Vickie - 2017-10-06 9:12 PM Men get free Viagra, abortion is being restricted, medicare and well baby care are going away, and now birth control cost so much. Who is going to deal with these unwanted kids? The answer is they are going to be in school with your children, beating them up, hitting the teacher, acting out so your kid can't learn. and then we get to pay for them to be in prison. I think birth control is a better option.
Genocide much?
I bet you have a Pol Pot tattoo
Actually I have no idea what you are talking about, but I am speaking from my experience with supporting public school teachers. My most recent case (2 days ago) was a new first grader from out of state who picked up a small white board and broke it over another child's head for no reason. When his teacher was trying to get down and talk to him he right crossed her in the face. Mother was called and didn't care.
Work with this day in and day out, year in and year out, seeing the result of negleted, unwanted children and you will get quite jaded too. |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | 1DSoon - 2017-10-07 7:10 AM Vickie - 2017-10-06 9:12 PM Men get free Viagra, abortion is being restricted, medicare and well baby care are going away, and now birth control cost so much. Who is going to deal with these unwanted kids? The answer is they are going to be in school with your children, beating them up, hitting the teacher, acting out so your kid can't learn. and then we get to pay for them to be in prison. I think birth control is a better option.
Genocide much?
I bet you have a Pol Pot tattoo
WOW!! Exacty how does advocating for birth control equate with genocide?
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Location: WYOMING | Id rather give out free birth control than deal with accidents. Now if they would just use it!
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | geronabean - 2017-10-07 12:32 PM Id rather give out free birth control than deal with accidents. No if they would just use it!
Our schools and human service agencies are overwhelmed with abused, neglected, unwanted and damanged children. No one who has not worked in these areas has a clue about the reality. If a mandate for insurance companies to pay for bc will make even a minute dent in that situation, than I am 100% in favor and have no problem paying my fair share. If that offends anyone's religious sensibilities so be it. I find irresponsible procreation extremely offensive. |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | Vickie - 2017-10-06 8:12 PM Men get free Viagra, abortion is being restricted, medicare and well baby care are going away, and now birth control cost so much. Who is going to deal with these unwanted kids? The answer is they are going to be in school with your children, beating them up, hitting the teacher, acting out so your kid can't learn. and then we get to pay for them to be in prison. I think birth control is a better option.
Here's an idea, keep your legs closed if you can't afford to raise a child and aren't responsible enough to raise a respectful child. If you can't afford BC, odds are you can't afford a kid, WTH happened to personal responsibility! |
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Location: WYOMING | Barnmom - 2017-10-07 3:23 PM
Vickie - 2017-10-06 8:12 PM Men get free Viagra, abortion is being restricted, medicare and well baby care are going away, and now birth control cost so much. Who is going to deal with these unwanted kids? The answer is they are going to be in school with your children, beating them up, hitting the teacher, acting out so your kid can't learn. and then we get to pay for them to be in prison. I think birth control is a better option.
Here's an idea, keep your legs closed if you can't afford to raise a child and aren't responsible enough to raise a respectful child. If you can't afford BC, odds are you can't afford a kid, WTH happened to personal responsibility!
EBT and welfare happened. Nope not everyone abuses it but more do than dont. People will not keep their legs closed, never gonna happen. We will just keep paying for other peoples lack of personal responsibility. We have created that culture. |
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| geronabean - 2017-10-07 2:30 PM Barnmom - 2017-10-07 3:23 PM Vickie - 2017-10-06 8:12 PM Men get free Viagra, abortion is being restricted, medicare and well baby care are going away, and now birth control cost so much. Who is going to deal with these unwanted kids? The answer is they are going to be in school with your children, beating them up, hitting the teacher, acting out so your kid can't learn. and then we get to pay for them to be in prison. I think birth control is a better option.
Here's an idea, keep your legs closed if you can't afford to raise a child and aren't responsible enough to raise a respectful child. If you can't afford BC, odds are you can't afford a kid, WTH happened to personal responsibility! EBT and welfare happened. Nope not everyone abuses it but more do than dont. People will not keep their legs closed, never gonna happen. We will just keep paying for other peoples lack of personal responsibility. We have created that culture.
Yes, we have, my niece has adopted through CPS, all the bio moms qualified for free birth control, one had 6 kids removed, the other 4. These are not the kind of people that are going to be responsible. It is available for free for those who qualify but they have to take the steps to get it and use it. Easy access to birth control is great and necessary. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | SC Wrangler - 2017-10-07 11:14 AM
1DSoon - 2017-10-07 7:10 AM Vickie - 2017-10-06 9:12 PM Men get free Viagra, abortion is being restricted, medicare and well baby care are going away, and now birth control cost so much. Who is going to deal with these unwanted kids? The answer is they are going to be in school with your children, beating them up, hitting the teacher, acting out so your kid can't learn. and then we get to pay for them to be in prison. I think birth control is a better option.
Genocide much?
I bet you have a Pol Pot tattoo
Go back and read Vickie's thread. She was bemoaning over abortion being "restricted". Some of us believe abortion is equivalent to infanticide and infanticide is genocide. Many people consider abortion, or infanticide, as a form of birth control.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Vickie - 2017-10-07 10:35 AM
1DSoon - 2017-10-07 8:10 AM Vickie - 2017-10-06 9:12 PM Men get free Viagra, abortion is being restricted, medicare and well baby care are going away, and now birth control cost so much. Who is going to deal with these unwanted kids? The answer is they are going to be in school with your children, beating them up, hitting the teacher, acting out so your kid can't learn. and then we get to pay for them to be in prison. I think birth control is a better option.
Genocide much?
I bet you have a Pol Pot tattoo
Work with this day in and day out, year in and year out, seeing the result of negleted, unwanted children and you will get quite jaded too.
Teachers ought to be allowed to spank kids who deserve it.
I don't know why spanking became unacceptable.
That first grader who broke the white board over his classmate's head ought to have his ass tanned. I don't think there's anything wrong with spanking. It seems to me that spanking worked for many generations, until it somehow became cruel........and now we have snowflakes. Squealing, shrill, ignorant fools whose primary goal in secondary education is seeking out safe places.
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | Bear - 2017-10-08 9:02 AM
SC Wrangler - 2017-10-07 11:14 AM
1DSoon - 2017-10-07 7:10 AM Vickie - 2017-10-06 9:12 PM Men get free Viagra, abortion is being restricted, medicare and well baby care are going away, and now birth control cost so much. Who is going to deal with these unwanted kids? The answer is they are going to be in school with your children, beating them up, hitting the teacher, acting out so your kid can't learn. and then we get to pay for them to be in prison. I think birth control is a better option.
Genocide much?
I bet you have a Pol Pot tattoo
Go back and read Vickie's thread. She was bemoaning over abortion being "restricted". Some of us believe abortion is equivalent to infanticide and infanticide is genocide. Many people consider abortion, or infanticide, as a form of birth control.
Does this explanation help?
Maybe you should re-read. I see a simple statement of fact that neither bemoans restriction of or advocates in favor of abortion. But then again I am not looking for a reason to get all self-righteous.
It would appear fairly simple to me that birth control is a front line defense in fight to slow abortion. Of course there will always be those to ignorant or too lazy to use bc and use it correctly. But if free bc stops any unwanted pregnancy I would consider it a win. The cost would be peanuts in the big scheme of things. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | SC Wrangler - 2017-10-08 11:53 AM
Bear - 2017-10-08 9:02 AM
SC Wrangler - 2017-10-07 11:14 AM
1DSoon - 2017-10-07 7:10 AM Vickie - 2017-10-06 9:12 PM Men get free Viagra, abortion is being restricted, medicare and well baby care are going away, and now birth control cost so much. Who is going to deal with these unwanted kids? The answer is they are going to be in school with your children, beating them up, hitting the teacher, acting out so your kid can't learn. and then we get to pay for them to be in prison. I think birth control is a better option.
Genocide much?
I bet you have a Pol Pot tattoo
Go back and read Vickie's thread. She was bemoaning over abortion being "restricted". Some of us believe abortion is equivalent to infanticide and infanticide is genocide. Many people consider abortion, or infanticide, as a form of birth control.
Does this explanation help?
Maybe you should re-read. I see a simple statement of fact that neither bemoans restriction of or advocates in favor of abortion. But then again I am not looking for a reason to get all self-righteous.
It would appear fairly simple to me that birth control is a front line defense in fight to slow abortion. Of course there will always be those to ignorant or too lazy to use bc and use it correctly. But if free bc stops any unwanted pregnancy I would consider it a win. The cost would be peanuts in the big scheme of things.
I have a more novel idea. It's called personal responsibility and consequences. I don't care if someone wants to use some form of birth control, but they should pay for their own. What's wrong with that?
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | Bear - 2017-10-08 12:51 PM SC Wrangler - 2017-10-08 11:53 AM Bear - 2017-10-08 9:02 AM SC Wrangler - 2017-10-07 11:14 AM 1DSoon - 2017-10-07 7:10 AM Vickie - 2017-10-06 9:12 PM Men get free Viagra, abortion is being restricted, medicare and well baby care are going away, and now birth control cost so much. Who is going to deal with these unwanted kids? The answer is they are going to be in school with your children, beating them up, hitting the teacher, acting out so your kid can't learn. and then we get to pay for them to be in prison. I think birth control is a better option.
Genocide much?
I bet you have a Pol Pot tattoo
Go back and read Vickie's thread. She was bemoaning over abortion being "restricted". Some of us believe abortion is equivalent to infanticide and infanticide is genocide. Many people consider abortion, or infanticide, as a form of birth control. Does this explanation help? Maybe you should re-read. I see a simple statement of fact that neither bemoans restriction of or advocates in favor of abortion. But then again I am not looking for a reason to get all self-righteous. It would appear fairly simple to me that birth control is a front line defense in fight to slow abortion. Of course there will always be those to ignorant or too lazy to use bc and use it correctly. But if free bc stops any unwanted pregnancy I would consider it a win. The cost would be peanuts in the big scheme of things. I have a more novel idea. It's called personal responsibility and consequences. I don't care if someone wants to use some form of birth control, but they should pay for their own. What's wrong with that?
I would love to live in your black and white world, but alas I also see the gray.
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| Vickie - 2017-10-06 9:12 PM Men get free Viagra, abortion is being restricted, medicare and well baby care are going away, and now birth control cost so much. Who is going to deal with these unwanted kids? The answer is they are going to be in school with your children, beating them up, hitting the teacher, acting out so your kid can't learn. and then we get to pay for them to be in prison. I think birth control is a better option.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | SC Wrangler - 2017-10-08 1:20 PM
Bear - 2017-10-08 12:51 PM SC Wrangler - 2017-10-08 11:53 AM Bear - 2017-10-08 9:02 AM SC Wrangler - 2017-10-07 11:14 AM 1DSoon - 2017-10-07 7:10 AM Vickie - 2017-10-06 9:12 PM Men get free Viagra, abortion is being restricted, medicare and well baby care are going away, and now birth control cost so much. Who is going to deal with these unwanted kids? The answer is they are going to be in school with your children, beating them up, hitting the teacher, acting out so your kid can't learn. and then we get to pay for them to be in prison. I think birth control is a better option.
Genocide much?
I bet you have a Pol Pot tattoo
Go back and read Vickie's thread. She was bemoaning over abortion being "restricted". Some of us believe abortion is equivalent to infanticide and infanticide is genocide. Many people consider abortion, or infanticide, as a form of birth control. Does this explanation help? Maybe you should re-read. I see a simple statement of fact that neither bemoans restriction of or advocates in favor of abortion. But then again I am not looking for a reason to get all self-righteous. It would appear fairly simple to me that birth control is a front line defense in fight to slow abortion. Of course there will always be those to ignorant or too lazy to use bc and use it correctly. But if free bc stops any unwanted pregnancy I would consider it a win. The cost would be peanuts in the big scheme of things. I have a more novel idea. It's called personal responsibility and consequences. I don't care if someone wants to use some form of birth control, but they should pay for their own. What's wrong with that? Awesome solution Doc, but about as realistic as fairies and unicorns. Legislate you some of that personal responsibilty and see how it works out. I am sure it will relieve the need to take care of the helpless and innocent children that being sered by social agencies. As for consequences, too bad they seem to accrue to the innocents who had no input. I would love to live in your black and white world, but alas I also see the gray.
So, do you think that by offering free birth control and making abortion more readily available we wouldn't see as many out-of-wedlock childbirths? |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | Bear - 2017-10-08 3:23 PM SC Wrangler - 2017-10-08 1:20 PM Bear - 2017-10-08 12:51 PM SC Wrangler - 2017-10-08 11:53 AM Bear - 2017-10-08 9:02 AM SC Wrangler - 2017-10-07 11:14 AM 1DSoon - 2017-10-07 7:10 AM Vickie - 2017-10-06 9:12 PM Men get free Viagra, abortion is being restricted, medicare and well baby care are going away, and now birth control cost so much. Who is going to deal with these unwanted kids? The answer is they are going to be in school with your children, beating them up, hitting the teacher, acting out so your kid can't learn. and then we get to pay for them to be in prison. I think birth control is a better option.
Genocide much?
I bet you have a Pol Pot tattoo
Go back and read Vickie's thread. She was bemoaning over abortion being "restricted". Some of us believe abortion is equivalent to infanticide and infanticide is genocide. Many people consider abortion, or infanticide, as a form of birth control. Does this explanation help? Maybe you should re-read. I see a simple statement of fact that neither bemoans restriction of or advocates in favor of abortion. But then again I am not looking for a reason to get all self-righteous. It would appear fairly simple to me that birth control is a front line defense in fight to slow abortion. Of course there will always be those to ignorant or too lazy to use bc and use it correctly. But if free bc stops any unwanted pregnancy I would consider it a win. The cost would be peanuts in the big scheme of things. I have a more novel idea. It's called personal responsibility and consequences. I don't care if someone wants to use some form of birth control, but they should pay for their own. What's wrong with that? Awesome solution Doc, but about as realistic as fairies and unicorns. Legislate you some of that personal responsibilty and see how it works out. I am sure it will relieve the need to take care of the helpless and innocent children that being sered by social agencies. As for consequences, too bad they seem to accrue to the innocents who had no input.
I would love to live in your black and white world, but alas I also see the gray.
So, do you think that by offering free birth control and making abortion more readily available we wouldn't see as many out-of-wedlock childbirths?
I do not want abortion to be easily, cheaply or readily available. If bc cuts back on any of the unwanted pregnancies, then yep I am all about free and easy. Obviously abstinence is a joke.
Somebody needs to explain to me why anyone would pursue an out-of-wedlock pregnancy. Why a child with someone you would not marry? Marriage is an easly disposable committment. Children on the other hand are a forever deal. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | SC Wrangler - 2017-10-08 4:19 PM
Bear - 2017-10-08 3:23 PM SC Wrangler - 2017-10-08 1:20 PM Bear - 2017-10-08 12:51 PM SC Wrangler - 2017-10-08 11:53 AM Bear - 2017-10-08 9:02 AM SC Wrangler - 2017-10-07 11:14 AM 1DSoon - 2017-10-07 7:10 AM Vickie - 2017-10-06 9:12 PM Men get free Viagra, abortion is being restricted, medicare and well baby care are going away, and now birth control cost so much. Who is going to deal with these unwanted kids? The answer is they are going to be in school with your children, beating them up, hitting the teacher, acting out so your kid can't learn. and then we get to pay for them to be in prison. I think birth control is a better option.
Genocide much?
I bet you have a Pol Pot tattoo
Go back and read Vickie's thread. She was bemoaning over abortion being "restricted". Some of us believe abortion is equivalent to infanticide and infanticide is genocide. Many people consider abortion, or infanticide, as a form of birth control. Does this explanation help? Maybe you should re-read. I see a simple statement of fact that neither bemoans restriction of or advocates in favor of abortion. But then again I am not looking for a reason to get all self-righteous. It would appear fairly simple to me that birth control is a front line defense in fight to slow abortion. Of course there will always be those to ignorant or too lazy to use bc and use it correctly. But if free bc stops any unwanted pregnancy I would consider it a win. The cost would be peanuts in the big scheme of things. I have a more novel idea. It's called personal responsibility and consequences. I don't care if someone wants to use some form of birth control, but they should pay for their own. What's wrong with that? Awesome solution Doc, but about as realistic as fairies and unicorns. Legislate you some of that personal responsibilty and see how it works out. I am sure it will relieve the need to take care of the helpless and innocent children that being sered by social agencies. As for consequences, too bad they seem to accrue to the innocents who had no input.
I would love to live in your black and white world, but alas I also see the gray.
So, do you think that by offering free birth control and making abortion more readily available we wouldn't see as many out-of-wedlock childbirths?
Somebody needs to explain to me why anyone would pursue an out-of-wedlock pregnancy. Why a child with someone you would not marry? Marriage is an easly disposable committment. Children on the other hand are a forever deal.
Well, oral contraceptives came into vogue in the early 60's, well over 50 years ago. Generally speaking, contraception is cheap. Certainly the cost of contraception is not prohibitive.
Over the past 50 years, the percentage of out-of-wedlock pregnancies has at least tripled. The most grotesque example is seen in the African-American community, where the incidence has gone from about 24% in 1965 to over 70% today. Thus, we have a vicious cycle that continues. Spitting out babies out of wedlock is the rule, not the rare exception of a generation ago. Overall, nearly half of all babies are born out of wedlock in this country today.
Planned Parenthood has made abortion on demand as easy as one stop shopping. In fact, society has deemed abortion to be akin to a badge of honor these days.
No......the problem is not the cost or availability of affordable contraception. I don't buy it...not for a minute. If you believe that, then you have been played as a fool by politicians.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Vickie - 2017-10-08 6:41 PM
Bear, I have to ask, what is your solution? What do you think will help?
Reasonable question.
In my opinion, the real issue is babies born out of wedlock who are much more likely to live in poverty. There are a lot of solutions involving increased focus on education, etc... I'm not sure they have been all that beneficial, except for the fact that teen pregnancy rates have actually declined, and many have attributed this decline to education programs in schools. The best solution to fight against childhood poverty is: marriage. Now the days of shotgun marriages are long gone, I realize, but I don't think there are enough laws to hold deadbeat dad's feet to the fire. If you father a child, you should be held to account and provide financial support until that child reaches adulthood. We still have rising rates of babies being born out of wedlock, even if teen pregnancy rates have declined some in recent years. That means women in their 30s and 40s are continuing to make babies. They will have to suffer the consequences, but too many baby daddies are simply walking away, with zero consequences. Addressing that is probably the single biggest step that can be taken.
Free birth control is minimally consequential, in my opinion. History tells us this. |
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Location: Sunnyland Florida | Vickie - 2017-10-06 9:12 PM Men get free Viagra, abortion is being restricted, medicare and well baby care are going away, and now birth control cost so much. Who is going to deal with these unwanted kids? The answer is they are going to be in school with your children, beating them up, hitting the teacher, acting out so your kid can't learn. and then we get to pay for them to be in prison. I think birth control is a better option.
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Location: west of East Texas | Free birth control is cheaper on tax payers than providing full care welfare. Spend some time in 'the hood' or in economically disadvantaged towns such as mine and realize how much these cultures 'honor' the women who can pop out babies. Spend some time in the gang world and learn how prestigous it is to get 'bred' by the higher level leaders of the gang. These leaders often are like the herd sire, producing multiple babies at a time. No, they don't actually get named as fathers on the birth certificate so there is no child support, just welfare. I'm all in favor of forced sterilization or mandated living arrangements - welfare farms or compounds and mandatory education in order to receive benefits. If you don't want to comply - get off welfare and support yourself! |
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| chasendacash - 2017-10-09 1:39 AM Free birth control is cheaper on tax payers than providing full care welfare. Spend some time in 'the hood' or in economically disadvantaged towns such as mine and realize how much these cultures 'honor' the women who can pop out babies. Spend some time in the gang world and learn how prestigous it is to get 'bred' by the higher level leaders of the gang. These leaders often are like the herd sire, producing multiple babies at a time. No, they don't actually get named as fathers on the birth certificate so there is no child support, just welfare. I'm all in favor of forced sterilization or mandated living arrangements - welfare farms or compounds and mandatory education in order to receive benefits. If you don't want to comply - get off welfare and support yourself!
Guys, it is free for those on welfare and that will not change. My post refers to those that have insurance through a private employer, those who are gainfully employed and can afford to pay for it, though it might require a little budgeting, so it can continue to be provided for those who can’t. Everyone cannot continue to have a hand in the kitty for the many different issues that they feel government should pay for, we are going to continue to spiral into debt this country will never recover from, look at Greece. |
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Location: Nebraska | BC pills do a lot more than lessen the chances of pregnancy. I know a few women who aren't even sexually active who are on it for endometriosis. One of my friends has such a bad case that she would not stop bleeding until she was on BC. It's a medical necessity for her, reproduction aside.
I take prescription medications for a neurological condition I have. It's covered by insurance. The copay for the medication itself is around 50 cents, and it would be dangerous to get off of it cold turkey; it is a life-saving medication. Should I have to pay out of pocket for that, too?
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| I agree with so many things said on this thread on both sides of the fence. As someone who works with inmates, I cant tell you how in favor I am in making sure people cannot have kids. It is so frustrating seeing someone in custody, high with 5 or 6 kids in the system already. However, these are the people who don't use the birth control whether it was free or not. These are the people who are too high to remember what day it is, let alone take a pill.
I also see so many children in the system, my sister runs a foster care non-profit to help these kids with essential needs when placed into foster care. I see these kids and they are not all "violent" but yes, many of them have issues. Some cognitive and some emotional and some both. It is super heartbreaking.
However, in one way, I very much appreciated free BC when I started adulthood... however, I think my insurance covered it?
And I also see so many babies out of wedlock. Unfortunately know a lot of people who wait to get married until after baby is born because they get the delivery costs paid for due to 1 income and being accepted into better assistance. |
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| RockyMountainRacer - 2017-10-11 7:40 AM BC pills do a lot more than lessen the chances of pregnancy. I know a few women who aren't even sexually active who are on it for endometriosis. One of my friends has such a bad case that she would not stop bleeding until she was on BC. It's a medical necessity for her, reproduction aside. I take prescription medications for a neurological condition I have. It's covered by insurance. The copay for the medication itself is around 50 cents, and it would be dangerous to get off of it cold turkey; it is a life-saving medication. Should I have to pay out of pocket for that, too? I'm not trying to argue, just trying to add a different scenario.
Agree 100%, you pay a copay for your medication, I don’t understand the arguement that there should not be a copay for birth control when you have insurance through a private company, it is a prescription just let me other necessary medications. The argument is not whether it should be covered but should the employee have to pay a copay like they do for other medications, have 0 out of pocket costs. |
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Location: sunny california | rodeomom3 - 2017-10-11 5:48 PM RockyMountainRacer - 2017-10-11 7:40 AM BC pills do a lot more than lessen the chances of pregnancy. I know a few women who aren't even sexually active who are on it for endometriosis. One of my friends has such a bad case that she would not stop bleeding until she was on BC. It's a medical necessity for her, reproduction aside. I take prescription medications for a neurological condition I have. It's covered by insurance. The copay for the medication itself is around 50 cents, and it would be dangerous to get off of it cold turkey; it is a life-saving medication. Should I have to pay out of pocket for that, too? I'm not trying to argue, just trying to add a different scenario.
because all you have to do is be a little short one month and bam! preggers |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | rodeomom3 - 2017-10-11 7:48 PM RockyMountainRacer - 2017-10-11 7:40 AM BC pills do a lot more than lessen the chances of pregnancy. I know a few women who aren't even sexually active who are on it for endometriosis. One of my friends has such a bad case that she would not stop bleeding until she was on BC. It's a medical necessity for her, reproduction aside. I take prescription medications for a neurological condition I have. It's covered by insurance. The copay for the medication itself is around 50 cents, and it would be dangerous to get off of it cold turkey; it is a life-saving medication. Should I have to pay out of pocket for that, too? I'm not trying to argue, just trying to add a different scenario.
There are plenty of other drugs that are free (zero co-pay). Often depends on whether they are generic or brand name and what drug tier the fall in. |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | chasendacash - 2017-10-09 1:39 AM Free birth control is cheaper on tax payers than providing full care welfare. Spend some time in 'the hood' or in economically disadvantaged towns such as mine and realize how much these cultures 'honor' the women who can pop out babies. Spend some time in the gang world and learn how prestigous it is to get 'bred' by the higher level leaders of the gang. These leaders often are like the herd sire, producing multiple babies at a time. No, they don't actually get named as fathers on the birth certificate so there is no child support, just welfare. I'm all in favor of forced sterilization or mandated living arrangements - welfare farms or compounds and mandatory education in order to receive benefits. If you don't want to comply - get off welfare and support yourself!
Of course they are "honored", the more babies you pop out, the bigger your check is every month. There is a whole lot more to fixing the system than whether or not BC is free. Forced sterilization sounds good to me, but of course that would be demeaning to those in need so that will never happen. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Barnmom - 2017-10-11 10:29 PM chasendacash - 2017-10-09 1:39 AM Free birth control is cheaper on tax payers than providing full care welfare. Spend some time in 'the hood' or in economically disadvantaged towns such as mine and realize how much these cultures 'honor' the women who can pop out babies. Spend some time in the gang world and learn how prestigous it is to get 'bred' by the higher level leaders of the gang. These leaders often are like the herd sire, producing multiple babies at a time. No, they don't actually get named as fathers on the birth certificate so there is no child support, just welfare. I'm all in favor of forced sterilization or mandated living arrangements - welfare farms or compounds and mandatory education in order to receive benefits. If you don't want to comply - get off welfare and support yourself! Of course they are "honored", the more babies you pop out, the bigger your check is every month. There is a whole lot more to fixing the system than whether or not BC is free. Forced sterilization sounds good to me, but of course that would be demeaning to those in need so that will never happen.
Welfare should be a "short term" solution......giving the person time to find a job....no job....no help! AND if you have a man in the house....kick his a$$ to the curb or he PAYS the welfare amount! |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | SC Wrangler - 2017-10-11 11:21 PM rodeomom3 - 2017-10-11 7:48 PM RockyMountainRacer - 2017-10-11 7:40 AM BC pills do a lot more than lessen the chances of pregnancy. I know a few women who aren't even sexually active who are on it for endometriosis. One of my friends has such a bad case that she would not stop bleeding until she was on BC. It's a medical necessity for her, reproduction aside. I take prescription medications for a neurological condition I have. It's covered by insurance. The copay for the medication itself is around 50 cents, and it would be dangerous to get off of it cold turkey; it is a life-saving medication. Should I have to pay out of pocket for that, too? I'm not trying to argue, just trying to add a different scenario.
When things are given to you for free, you don't buy generic. |
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| I didn't read everyone's response to the thread but
I've been paying my own BC for years, $10 a month for the sponsered generic at Sam's club. Not that pricey. I think wal-art and others offer it at the same cost.
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | oranges - 2017-10-13 11:45 AM I didn't read everyone's response to the thread but I've been paying my own BC for years, $10 a month for the sponsered generic at Sam's club. Not that pricey. I think wal-art and others offer it at the same cost. I think the problem with some of it is alot cannot afford the appointment with the dr to even get the prescription.
There are a zillion clinics here in GA that are free. My daughter is a NP at one. All on a sliding scale and they don't check either. |
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| Free BC is the payment received for NOT having kids, instead of a huge tax return every spring.
My SIL has 2 brats, is on the disability food chain because she OD'd to the tune of severe brain damage, and gets 6K+ every spring for doing jack Sh**. No fathers for either.
Tell me again how $600/year is so painful for BC when there are many more out there who have more than 2 kids, on welfare, disability, or whatever, and are getting thousands. There are TONS of people out there who'd rather get thousands every spring than 1 little freebie a month thats around $50 payment.
There's also maternity leave, family sick days, etc that employers have to pick up the slack for when someone has a kid. A friend said their normal 1-2 day birth and out of the hospital was like 10K, insurance did pay. Again tell me how $600/yr is harder on employers and insurance agencies than than this?
Maybe it should be paid for, since $600 does add up, but don't make it sound like it's tearing the country apart to be provided when there is a lot more money being shelled out for for those who choose not to use it. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Nateracer - 2017-10-13 12:20 PM Free BC is the payment received for NOT having kids, instead of a huge tax return every spring.
My SIL has 2 brats, is on the disability food chain because she OD'd to the tune of severe brain damage, and gets 6K+ every spring for doing jack Sh**. No fathers for either.
Tell me again how $600/year is so painful for BC when there are many more out there who have more than 2 kids, on welfare, disability, or whatever, and are getting thousands. There are TONS of people out there who'd rather get thousands every spring than 1 little freebie a month thats around $50 payment.
There's also maternity leave, family sick days, etc that employers have to pick up the slack for when someone has a kid. A friend said their normal 1-2 day birth and out of the hospital was like 10K, insurance did pay. Again tell me how $600/yr is harder on employers and insurance agencies than than this?
Maybe it should be paid for, since $600 does add up, but don't make it sound like it's tearing the country apart to be provided when there is a lot more money being shelled out for for those who choose not to use it.
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| 1DSoon - 2017-10-13 11:36 AM Nateracer - 2017-10-13 12:20 PM Free BC is the payment received for NOT having kids, instead of a huge tax return every spring.
My SIL has 2 brats, is on the disability food chain because she OD'd to the tune of severe brain damage, and gets 6K+ every spring for doing jack Sh**. No fathers for either.
Tell me again how $600/year is so painful for BC when there are many more out there who have more than 2 kids, on welfare, disability, or whatever, and are getting thousands. There are TONS of people out there who'd rather get thousands every spring than 1 little freebie a month thats around $50 payment.
There's also maternity leave, family sick days, etc that employers have to pick up the slack for when someone has a kid. A friend said their normal 1-2 day birth and out of the hospital was like 10K, insurance did pay. Again tell me how $600/yr is harder on employers and insurance agencies than than this?
Maybe it should be paid for, since $600 does add up, but don't make it sound like it's tearing the country apart to be provided when there is a lot more money being shelled out for for those who choose not to use it. thats some convoluted logic right there
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| And maybe, just maybe, that's why they offer it for free! To keep from having to pay for a bunch of little brats! But they sure can't force it down the throats of the worthless people out there who keep popping them out and taking our tax money! |
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| Nateracer - 2017-10-13 11:47 AM And maybe, just maybe, that's why they offer it for free! To keep from having to pay for a bunch of little brats! But they sure can't force it down the throats of the worthless people out there who keep popping them out and taking our tax money!
People on welfare already get it for free and that is not going to change. |
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| I may notagree with birth control but I still feel obligated to have the best insurance for all of my employees and the cost. Is very expensive but I know every one is covered.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | 1DSoon - 2017-10-13 11:36 AM
Nateracer - 2017-10-13 12:20 PM Free BC is the payment received for NOT having kids, instead of a huge tax return every spring.
My SIL has 2 brats, is on the disability food chain because she OD'd to the tune of severe brain damage, and gets 6K+ every spring for doing jack Sh**. No fathers for either.
Tell me again how $600/year is so painful for BC when there are many more out there who have more than 2 kids, on welfare, disability, or whatever, and are getting thousands. There are TONS of people out there who'd rather get thousands every spring than 1 little freebie a month thats around $50 payment.
There's also maternity leave, family sick days, etc that employers have to pick up the slack for when someone has a kid. A friend said their normal 1-2 day birth and out of the hospital was like 10K, insurance did pay. Again tell me how $600/yr is harder on employers and insurance agencies than than this?
Maybe it should be paid for, since $600 does add up, but don't make it sound like it's tearing the country apart to be provided when there is a lot more money being shelled out for for those who choose not to use it.
thats some convoluted logic right there
Man, you ain't a kiddin' 1D!
I don't even know where to start on that one. Of all the ridiculously expensive items we all have to pay for, there's a war going on over one of the cheapest items.....a $50 bottle of pills. |
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Location: North Dakota | The problem in this country is the ridiculous cost of health care and prescription drugs. The insurance companies would not be sticking it to us if the cost of healthcare was controlled! The thyroid medication that I have to take costs $1.50 in Europe but when we moved to the US is costs my $48 a month with insurance, if I had no insurance it would by $70 a month. Now where is $1.50 and $70? To see the gynecologist in Europe it cost around $45 for Pap test and full exam, when I went in the US without insurance I got a bill for $690, I will never forget that! I expected less maybe $150 but I was wrong! I have insurance now but I have a $15k deductible so I simply don’t go to the dr at all anymore! If the American government wants to control medical in this country they need to control the lavish over the top prices drs are charging!! Oh and I don’t think an employer should be forced to pay for birth control! |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | angelica - 2017-10-13 3:29 PM The problem in this country is the ridiculous cost of health care and prescription drugs. The insurance companies would not be sticking it to us if the cost of healthcare was controlled! The thyroid medication that I have to take costs $1.50 in Europe but when we moved to the US is costs my $48 a month with insurance, if I had no insurance it would by $70 a month. Now where is $1.50 and $70? To see the gynecologist in Europe it cost around $45 for Pap test and full exam, when I went in the US without insurance I got a bill for $690, I will never forget that! I expected less maybe $150 but I was wrong! I have insurance now but I have a $15k deductible so I simply don’t go to the dr at all anymore! If the American government wants to control medical in this country they need to control the lavish over the top prices drs are charging!! Oh and I don’t think an employer should be forced to pay for birth control!
Under Obama care yearly physicals are free if you have insurance. No matter what the deductible. If you are getting charged something is wrong. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | For over 40 some years, we had great health insurance until Obamacare and we then went to catastrophic medical insurance with a huge deductible and double the premiums.
The only problem with our health insurance, in this country, was people with pre-existing conditions. Instead of screwing up our whole system, there should have been something done for people with pre-existing conditions but government is only good at one thing...Screwing stuff up.
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OT So why do some think birth control should be free??