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| Hi, new here. I have a 17month old filly I bought to eventually take over for my 19 year old barrel, and heel roping horse. I know she will fit the bill for the cow, and roping, but sure hope she will have the run! Anyone here run foundation bred? She does have old run lines, that a friend loves, on Dams side. Right now she is quick, likes to get up and move in pasture with the others, but she is young and agile still lol! thoughts?? |
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| trying to load pedigree http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/rgf+plenty+blue+dawn
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Location: Arkansas | Welcome to the board!!!! I bet you'll get some good feedback in the next day or so, cause there are some BBs that have some nice horses with those bloodlines I believe. . . . |
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| I had a Blue Valentine mare I tied goats and roped on in college and she had the most heart, plus every bone in her body was an athletic one. She was a natural beast when I started her on the poles and barrels, just ate them up!
I know some people shy away from Hancock bred horses, but when you get them figured out, they are top notch.
Every Plenty Try/Blue Valentine/Hancock horse I’ve seen has had really nice bone, good feet and is a workaholic.
I don’t see any reason why she wouldn’t excel at the barrels, especially given the rest of her pedigree.
Good luck!!
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | I'm one to shy away. I had a gorgeous Hancock gelding. Was loping a nice set of barrels. Awesome on trails. (Seemed to be) dog gentle. He was only four and I would've trusted him to haul my hubby around. But once he found his "Bronc" button, it was all done from there. Granted, I'm not a Bronc rider and not very good at trying to be, and he learned that real quick. I sent him out for a month for ranch work just for my peace of mind. He came back with no change. Ended up reading and falling on me.
Bye Felicia.
I do, however, have an 11 year old bay roan that has Hancock a little further back, and he's been an absolute doll and a work horse so far. He loves having a job and a purpose. But he's been wonderful with an awesome work ethic and attitude. |
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Location: Kansas | We’ve got 3. Two roan stud colts, and my mare who is due to foal I’m the spring. They have good mindsets and quick to learn, I’ll be running the mare hopefully by next winter |
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| Well so far, my girl is very sweet, and calm, not much seems to phase her. I have saddled her, and cinched , had her walk, trot, and cantering on lunge line under saddle, and no bucking or issues, stood fine for tack up, and taking it off. Have ponied her under roping saddle (
Heavier), had her tied on sidelines at roping practice, to see how she was with all the activity, she was interested , watched, but no fussing, and I was ready for it. But also thought she would react to being saddled too??. Took her to a big 3 day rodeo/camping event, she was high lined with our geldings, and she acted like she had been doing this all along lol! I am very happy with her, but I do see comments here and there about Hancock horses being broncy, and ****y, but also see people that own them say they have never had issue. I am a little nervous on when I finally start her, because of the bronc rumors, But she is not full bred Hancock, and every horse has potential to be an ass or bucker. I am wondering the sires side ( Blue Valentine) with the heavy build/bone, could run barrels? Had speed? The Dams side has old run lines, and was bred by Carolyle farms in Manatoba CAnada, where they did dressage, hunter jumping, and did have horses doing barrels, and calf roping. So I know they could perform, and we're agile :). |
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Location: Oklahoma | Oh yes... bought my mare from Cross Spur. Barrels may or may not be in her future, we are shooting towards the ranch riding.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/cs+roan+flurry
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Location: GODS country | YES!! I personally really like the Hancock line. I have had 2 very successful barrel horses out of Hum Bug Hancock!! They were both smart, gritty, and had a lot of heart! They were the type that would go all day. Sure wish I could find some more!! |
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Location: SW MO | CS Frosted Roan Soda - was the Show- Me Timed event Rev. Champion in 2011
We have several more that are performing but I had a good picture of her. She is by Our Rafter Blu stallion who has 22 crosses to Joe Hancock & he has Blue Valentine on his papers plus other crosses top & bottom.
Blue Valentine himself won the barrel racing at Cheyenne Frontier Days
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Location: Gainesville, TX | If you go back to Joe Hancock as a foundation sire, you can see that his dam was a Percheron mare. Drafts are fairly well known for PSSM. I suspect, and the Bridge Equine site provides some weight to this, that Blue Valentine and Hancock lines may carry PSSM 1 or 2 frequently because of that draft heritage. Lots of PSSM horses have behavioral issues because of their muscle soreness. This may provide some scientific weight to why this particular bloodline has that reputation.
As to what I see in your particular filly's pedi, most of the 'big names' in her bloodlines are way on back there. Mito Paint is the closest one. She seems as likely a candidate to try and possibly succeed as any mostly foundation bred horse. Certainly a number of foundation bred horses go on to make very nice barrel horses. The best advice is for you try her out and see what you have. It's really hard to know anything until then. But I see no reason why she couldn't make a nice barrel horse given the right opportunities and training. |
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| I have this little filly and she is smart as a whip, athletic as any horse I've seen in a long time, and by far one of the easiest I've ever started. She was basically born broke. She is a pest to the geldings in the pasture though. She thinks she is the boss and isn't afraid the show it either.
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Location: California | http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/namgis+d+35
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| I had a Hancock mare a while back. She was an absolutely GORGEOUS red roan, very well built, good size, good minded. By far, the best barrel horse I ever had! She was the sweetest horse, you could put anyone on her. She definitively got jealous though, and liked having her "person" haha. BUT, she was the most stubborn horse I've ever had...outside of a race. At the race, she was on fire, and always ready to go. But at home...she was a nightmare. Even with spurs AND a crop, it was a miracle getting her to even lope, if she didn't want to. There were a few times where she would just not move at all...even taking a lunge whip from my bf behind her. Completely sound, and would act like a dream at a barrel race! But just completely stubborn at home. Because of that, I wouldn't own another =/ |
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Location: SW MO | We have had all of our studs tested & a lot of our mares. We had 2 mares test PSSM1 & neither of those were through the Joe Hancock blood line. A lot of that is false information about the blood line. People really need to be positive of what they are saying about a bloodline before they state information like this |
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Your filly goes back to Midnight pretty heavily - he is the highest suspect in PSSM2 variants. If I owned her, I would probably test her OR at least keep her on a standard P2 diet regime and be aware if she starts acting out - bucking, rearing, spooking & possibly bolting, losing muscle mass, could start tying up - then look farther in to this. Have you had her 5 panel tested or is she negative on all by parents being negative?
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| this is what I used to run: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/tosis+poco+whiz She has some OLD bloodlines and is AWESOME! Not very fast but that's because she's had no formal training other than what I did with her, and I'm new at this sport.
She is an excellent all around horse, though, and won me some titles in the 4D. I'm sure she could go faster with a better jockey. I think your horse will do great!
And if not, you can rope, team pen or sort, do ranch pleasure, mounted shooting, ride in parades, use it as a hazer, queen's horse, or search and rescue like I have done with mine.  |
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| I have a mare that is both Hancock and blue valentine bred. I have had her 14 years and I wouldn't trade her for anything. The most willing sound minded horse I have ever had. I have had the hardest time letting her be retired due to an injury because she is just such an awesome mare. Honest! Rides in anything and anyone can ride her. She had EPM as a yearling, and pulled through. She really is the nicest horse I have ever had in the barn. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Best Mare I've ever owned. Looks like a mini draft. Quick. Agile. Low to the ground when she goes right and I go left. 
She's the best Mom and she can go all day. Kids, adults, first timers, long timers, doesn't matter. She's my heart horse. And I hated her when I first got her.
Liver chestnut, tiger striped legs, coon tail, thick mane and tail that drags the ground, dorsal stripe, and Chrome. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/miss+lefdore+hancock
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Location: Arkansas | IRunOnFaith - 2017-10-12 4:37 PM
Best Mare I've ever owned. Looks like a mini draft. Quick. Agile. Low to the ground when she goes right and I go left. She's the best Mom and she can go all day. Kids, adults, first timers, long timers, doesn't matter. She's my heart horse. And I hated her when I first got her.
Liver chestnut, tiger striped legs, coon tail, thick mane and tail that drags the ground, dorsal stripe, and Chrome. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/miss+lefdore+hancock
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| Oija, The Sire is 5 panel negative. Dam was still doing fine at 19 years old, no health issues, but the owners in Canada did not test for PSSM , not sure it was really known then. I plan on testing her, yes. At this time no plans on breeding, just trail riding, roping, and play days on poles and barrels if she likes it. Thank you for all the responses!!!! |
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| I have a blue valentine Hancock mare I have had her since she was a yearling. She’s 16 this year. She has been one of the most honest horses I have ever had! She is very capable of bucking but never has. She will play with me a bit if we are loping and she is fresh but never has she been malicious. Infact just last month I jumped on her bareback in a halter and rode her down the busy streets where I am at. It had been over a year since I rode her due to personal reasons. She never missed a beat. I trust her in every situation. People always told me she was bred to be a bucker but I have never had an issue. I would own ten of her if I could. Infact I tried to breed her but she didn’t take. She’s super handy too and always has been. She has always been one to drag her butt and can spin around so pretty with such ease. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | I had one, will never own another.
She won so much it put me in a higher tax bracket.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | 1DSoon - 2018-11-26 6:48 AM I had one, will never own another.
She won so much it put me in a higher tax bracket.
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Location: NW. Florida | I have a Hancock/Blue Valentine Royal Quick Dash mare, I wouldn't trade her for the word. Make a run, put a kid on to cool her out. She's extremely broke, acts like a gelding, rides the same if you ride her everyday, or once a month. Love the work/run cross, plus she's a buckskin. |
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| *almost there* - 2017-10-10 11:17 AM http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/namgis+d+35
this horse qualified for the NFR this year
I believe that horse was borrowed as a backup from Emily Miller who finished 30 on him in the world standings this year. She had originally purchased him from Kylie Weast (who is taking him to Vegas). |
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