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Unable to Live Without Chocolate or Coffee
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| Finally found a horse that I love! But one thing. He’s slightly toed out. I’ll have a vet check. What else should I consider? Should I even bother?
He been used used as a ranch trail horse lightly. He’s only 4. I’ll be using him for the same purpose.
Horse shopping sucks! I miss the days when it was fun and not so many bad horses and bad sellers! Lol uhhhhh
oh and one more thing. Looked like he’s got natural balance shoes on. On the front. They were square-ish. |
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  Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | wouldn't bother me a bit. I have heard toed out is fine as long as you trim and shoe to the foot. Don't try and correct anything |
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Gettin Jiggy Wit It
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| Id much rather have one that slightly toes out then in... Im not sure why a lot of people on here would rather have one that toes in. They talk about interference but I have one mare that toes in slighty and she knocks her self and just looks clumsy when she moves. I have two that toe out slightly and I never have a problem with them. They also move more easily compared to toe in. |
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| First of all, let me say that there are too many conformationally correct horses to buy rather than buy one that is not. Think about the number of hours you put into training only to have an unsound horse and you are looking at some soundness issues. Horses that turn out have a tendency to paddle.
Right now on BHW there are a truckload of neat horses that are reasonably priced. They seem to be selling fairly quickly so I guess someone thinks the same way I do. |
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Location: Where the buffalo roam | Yes confirmation is important and gives you the best chance in the soundness area. After that is all said, my horses with what many would call bad confirmation have lasted into their 20's while those that would be considered "correct" cost me $$ in vet bills, struggled with soundness and had to be retired early. Get a vet check and go with what you feel. |
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The Advice Guru
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| WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-10-08 7:I 16 PM
Id much rather have one that slightly toes out then in... Im not sure why a lot of people on here would rather have one that toes in. They talk about interference but I have one mare that toes in slighty and she knocks her self and just looks clumsy when she moves. I have two that toe out slightly and I never have a problem with them. They also move more easily compared to toe in.
I was told by a tb trainer toed in causes the horse to have more traction when leaving the starting gate.
As for the op.
X-ray and see if the horse is actually toed in, it could be from a crappy farrier, could be how the horse moves and wears his feet off.
Also look to see where the horse is crooked, if it is at the knee I walk away, if it is at the pastern, I walk away, if it is below that I will take a closer look.
Depends on price. |
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| Agree with above...there are so many horses out there now, I would be a little picky. But also, it depends what you're wanting out of him? If you're wanting a husband horse, or a low level local jackpot horse, wouldn't phase me a bit!! Look at the famous racehorse, Real Quiet...his knees almost touched, he toed out, he had absolutely terrible conformation...and he still won more than most! As long as they stay sound! But if you're looking for your next step up, rodeo every weekend horse, I would be a little more picky. |
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| Crooked front legs is an absolute deal breaker for me. Toed in is not as bad as toed out, but still deal breaker. |
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Location: LA Lower Alabama | Sit and have a chat with your farrier and then your vet. They should be able to give VERY good ideas on the what ifs. That horse would have to be 99% perfect in every other way to make up for that flaw. |
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| Toed out isn't a deal breaker, front or hind. I'd rather have one toe out behind actually so they don't pull front shoes. BUT I always get a full navicular view on front feet just to be safe. If it looks good then I am good. |
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Unable to Live Without Chocolate or Coffee
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| such an array of answers lol. he is everything that i'd want otherwise. as as far as price well i'm not sure what is considered high. he is higher priced considering my budget. but probably not for other people. He will be a trail/ranch horse. no showing or competeing. I have had all kinds of horses with varities of problems from one that literally chewed a hole the size of a door in my barn to navicular/laminitis to a cracked coffin bone that i was not aware of before purchase.
i certainly don't want a unsound horse. i guess i'll just try and get as many opinions as possible. the seller said that she got him as a 2 yr old and wasn't concerned about him toed out because her barrel mare is toed out. shes selling because she doesn't have time; and i'm sure because she can make money off it lol she got him from a friend that had to sell them (him and 3 other siblings) He comes from pretty good cowy bloodlines - gs of high brow cat and smart little romeo. and ggs of dual pep.
he seemed to ride good. no stumbling or weird movements that i noticed. He's not super athletic/quick but i am not looking for an athlete  Any other imput is appreciated :) |
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| Good luck if you do buy him. I have one sitting in my pasture that was slightly toed out, shouldn't be a problem (I was told) Severe ringbone now, not sound to ride at all. Another horse toes in on one front, not sound to perform, trail sound only. Will never buy a horse that isn't straight in the front again!   |
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 Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | HES GOING TO BE a TRAIL HORSE FOLKS.. he is fine.. we actually with proper farrier have taken "paddling horses " to FEI levels.. so a ranch horse trail horse is fine if hes what you want..  |
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| Bibliafarm - 2017-10-09 8:10 PM
HES GOING TO BE a TRAIL HORSE FOLKS.. he is fine.. we actually with proper farrier have taken "paddling horses " to FEI levels.. so a ranch horse trail horse is fine if hes what you want..
My "toed out" horse can't even be a trail horse, so it is concerning to me. And he has had proper farrier care his entire life. |
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | Must be other issues..id certainly talk to vet but itd certainly not be a deal breaker .. if no issues were found.. |
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| Bibliafarm - 2017-10-09 9:50 PM
Must be other issues..id certainly talk to vet but itd certainly not be a deal breaker .. if no issues were found..
The issues he has were caused directly from being toed out |
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Gettin Jiggy Wit It
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| Meep.Meep - 2017-10-09 10:17 PM Bibliafarm - 2017-10-09 9:50 PM Must be other issues..id certainly talk to vet but itd certainly not be a deal breaker .. if no issues were found.. The issues he has were caused directly from being toed out
I assume way more then slightly toed out? If so the same goes for toed in... A horse that is quite a bit toed out or quite a bit toed in will both potentially have problems. But a horse that is slightly toed out.. I doubt it will effect them that much. |
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The Advice Guru
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| Meep.Meep - 2017-10-09 8:36 PM
Bibliafarm - 2017-10-09 8:10 PM
HES GOING TO BE a TRAIL HORSE FOLKS.. he is fine.. we actually with proper farrier have taken "paddling horses " to FEI levels.. so a ranch horse trail horse is fine if hes what you want..
My "toed out" horse can't even be a trail horse, so it is concerning to me. And he has had proper farrier care his entire life.
I have a conformationally correct horse with arthritis in all front joints, and cannot be a trail horse. Majority of the time it isn't the conformation that causes the injury or lameness, it is other life events. Mine had windpuffs I neglected, now I know windpuffs is a sign of inflammation and inflammation long term causes arthritis and ring bone. |
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| Ok, go buy the crooked horse, I don't know what I am talking about  |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Meep.Meep - 2017-10-10 7:32 AM Ok, go buy the crooked horse, I don't know what I am talking about
Sheesh! People are talking from personal experience and I know of a handful of HARD used ranch horses that toed out, some in both and some in just 1. None were ever unsound a day in their life. Some went on to be kids horses in their late 20's. Still rather sound despite old age arthritits in hocks/knees. TB race horses toe out more often than not it seems these days. Take a good look at direct front leg views. They still run 40+ races in a career. I am not saying you are not correct that yours were unsound...but it isn't the norm if the foot is maintained as the horse stands. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Trail horse . . . slightly toed out . . . gentle in all other respects . . . yeah I wouldn't be worrying about it much. Enjoy the horse. |
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Location: United States | Toed out, no problem. Toed in - run an don't look back. |
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2017-10-10 8:59 AM
Meep.Meep - 2017-10-10 7:32 AM Ok, go buy the crooked horse, I don't know what I am talking about
So am I and people are telling me I am wrong. Guess it doesn't go both ways tho? I had the one since he was a weanling and he was always balanced and maintained. I know other people have different experiences, but they don't need to be telling me it was something I did wrong or that it was some other issue. I am adding my own educated experience.
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| The risk with toed out horse in interference with the opposite leg. As a trail horse/ranch horse it poses almost zero risk. As a performance horse you need to be aware of the risks and take the precautions available. I'd say no to a toed in horse, because of the strain on their knees, but toed out doesn't bother me at all. |
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Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Meep.Meep - 2017-10-10 9:00 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2017-10-10 8:59 AM Meep.Meep - 2017-10-10 7:32 AM Ok, go buy the crooked horse, I don't know what I am talking about So am I and people are telling me I am wrong. Guess it doesn't go both ways tho? I had the one since he was a weanling and he was always balanced and maintained. I know other people have different experiences, but they don't need to be telling me it was something I did wrong or that it was some other issue. I am adding my own educated experience.
Just add your experience and don't take others experience to heart. I know everyone thinks their vet/farrier knows it all and are perfect in their eyes. I have had enough crap experiences to know there are a lot of vets/farriers that do not have the knowledge for every situation. You seem to think if they toe out they are condemmed to lameness. But there are too many instances out there to say otherwise. If I were you, I would never buy one that toes out. Knowing what I know, I wouldn't hesitate if it fit everything else I wanted in a horse. |
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | wyoming barrel racer - 2017-10-10 4:08 PM Meep.Meep - 2017-10-10 9:00 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2017-10-10 8:59 AM Meep.Meep - 2017-10-10 7:32 AM Ok, go buy the crooked horse, I don't know what I am talking about So am I and people are telling me I am wrong. Guess it doesn't go both ways tho? I had the one since he was a weanling and he was always balanced and maintained. I know other people have different experiences, but they don't need to be telling me it was something I did wrong or that it was some other issue. I am adding my own educated experience.
exactly.. and I just stated my opinion and experiences .......wasnt saying Your wrong |
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Slightly toed out decisions decisions!