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Location: MN | Its been 2.5 weeks since my 5 month old colt was gelded. Monday night, he came up pretty swollen but it was still draining. I contacted 3 different vets and they all just said to make sure he was more active. Hes not running a temp, his appetite is great, his spirits were high. So last night, I rode my horse around the pasture a few times and of course my colt followed along. All in all, about 15-20 min worth of moving. Doing baby stuff like bucking, kicking, rearing...etc. Swelling was down when he came in to eat last night. This morning, he was sore, stiff and it is still swollen. Im hoping it was more from all of the baby stuff he was doing yesterday and it just made that area more sore. I'll see if I can get a pic to load.
What would you do? None of the 3 vets suggested an antibiotic but I feel he may need one. One did say I could cold hose it. Or do I just stick with what they said and make sure he gets a good 15-20 mins of solid movement for a few more days. How long does it usually take for the incision to heal?
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Location: MN | WrapN3MN - 2017-10-11 12:52 PM I'd ask for an antibiotic, but I have lost one after being gelded - I am very very cautious since.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I'll be honest we never have had one swell if it wasn't stalled. We get them home and leave them in the corral (pretty good sized) and about a week later kick them into a 800 acre pasture for the spring. We geld ours as coming yearlings but that shouldn't matter I wouldn't think.
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Location: MN | wyoming barrel racer - 2017-10-11 1:24 PM I'll be honest we never have had one swell if it wasn't stalled. We get them home and leave them in the corral (pretty good sized) and about a week later kick them into a 800 acre pasture for the spring. We geld ours as coming yearlings but that shouldn't matter I wouldn't think.
I have been keeping him up at night for pure state of mind due to the coyotes being very bad in my neck of the woods. Im not sure what to do  |
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Location: South Georgia | Id have the vet out and/or call him to get meds. I have never had one (gelded 5) stay swollen like you are describing. |
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| I had an older colt that swelled for about 3 weeks after he was gelded. Was in a small paddock, lunged once or twice a day. Stayed opened, was draining, no signs of infection. Eventually the edema went down. Hopefully that's all it is with your boy. If he is draining, isn't pussy, and is eating well and acting normal I wouldn't be too stressed out. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Is his sheath swollen or where his "boys" used to be? If it is the sheath, exercise should do the trick. If it is further back could be that area healed shut on the outside before the inside drained and healed, causing a pocket of sorts. Might need opened up by the vet. I just don't mess with that kind of thing for too long, might be best to have a vet check him out just in case. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Kay-DRacing. - 2017-10-11 12:42 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2017-10-11 1:24 PM I'll be honest we never have had one swell if it wasn't stalled. We get them home and leave them in the corral (pretty good sized) and about a week later kick them into a 800 acre pasture for the spring. We geld ours as coming yearlings but that shouldn't matter I wouldn't think.
I have been keeping him up at night for pure state of mind due to the coyotes being very bad in my neck of the woods. Im not sure what to do
I understand, we have a ton of coyotes but I have never heard of one messing with horses. So is the swelling down by later in the day when he is turned out? Just swollen in the morning after being kept in? |
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Location: MN | Thanks for all of the replies! Sorry, I cant get the pic to load.
The swelling is more in the beginning of the sheath and not where the incision is but it does seem to be better when I bring them up at night. BUT - the night that I noticed it being that swollen; he had been out all day. Im just wondering if he is standing around eating at the round bale for too long?! Such a little piglet. He also lays down a lot but then again, hes a baby.
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Location: MN | Meep.Meep - 2017-10-11 1:53 PM I had an older colt that swelled for about 3 weeks after he was gelded. Was in a small paddock, lunged once or twice a day. Stayed opened, was draining, no signs of infection. Eventually the edema went down. Hopefully that's all it is with your boy. If he is draining, isn't pussy, and is eating well and acting normal I wouldn't be too stressed out.
I pray this is all that is going on too. Its stressing me out though. Ill try to get the pic loaded!
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Location: NW. Florida | If he doesn't have a fever he doesn't needs meds, he's not getting enough exercise. Turn him out and let him be a horse, just keep an eye out for infection. |
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Location: MN | wyoming barrel racer - 2017-10-11 1:58 PM Kay-DRacing. - 2017-10-11 12:42 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2017-10-11 1:24 PM I'll be honest we never have had one swell if it wasn't stalled. We get them home and leave them in the corral (pretty good sized) and about a week later kick them into a 800 acre pasture for the spring. We geld ours as coming yearlings but that shouldn't matter I wouldn't think.
I have been keeping him up at night for pure state of mind due to the coyotes being very bad in my neck of the woods. Im not sure what to do
I have heard quite a few horror stories when I moved to MN of coyotes attacking horses. They just freak me out because they are always so close to our house howling everynight. |
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Location: MN | He has been consistantly at 101.5 although last night he was at 102.5 which I read is considered "normal" for a foal at his age. But it was back down to 101 this morning.
Foals under 3-6 months of age, especially newborns, have a higher normal temperature range than adults, 100-102.5 degrees is considered normal
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | As long as the swelling is in the front of the sheath and not towards the incision, he is fine. Cold hose works wonders as well as putting them out.
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | He's fine. He just needs a cold hose and more exercise. If you are unsure still, send the picture to your vet. Mine does texts. |
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Location: MN | I sent the pics to 3 different vets last night. Thankfully they all got back to me fairly quickly to tell me he needs more exercise. I think I'm just over thinking it all! Poor guy was so stiff this morning and it broke my heart but he sure had fun bucking, kicking, and farting yesterday during his "exercise"  |
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Location: OH. IO | If he were mine I would cold hose.and more exercise.like above poster stated cold hosing will do wonders for him |
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Location: MN | Thank you all! After some exercise tonight, cold hosing it is! |
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| Was it a fairly easy gelding? The bit of fluid in the pic does not look too concerning (nice and clear anyway)
I had one guy swell really bad but the vet that did him was excessively ruff, the castrator crimper things were not working so instead of dealing calmly he hit my horse with them and screamed at the staff, he bleed excessively, other vet took over and used those surgery player things to stop bleeding. it was a mess. He was SOOOO swollen for a long time. He could hardly walk for days, felt terrible and was pretty "depressed" for about a week.
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Location: MN | della - 2017-10-11 4:53 PM Was it a fairly easy gelding? The bit of fluid in the pic does not look too concerning (nice and clear anyway) I had one guy swell really bad but the vet that did him was excessively ruff, the castrator crimper things were not working so instead of dealing calmly he hit my horse with them and screamed at the staff, he bleed excessively, other vet took over and used those surgery player things to stop bleeding. it was a mess. He was SOOOO swollen for a long time. He could hardly walk for days, felt terrible and was pretty "depressed" for about a week. PS I never saw that vet again, he was let go very shortly after.
Yes, I was told he gelded great. Was very easy.
Aww poor guy. What an awful sounding experience! Id run for the hills too! 
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| With that long of time, I would say they may not have clamped correctly and now he has sealed off and infection is brewing. Had this happen to one of mine, he required emergency surgery and hard core antibiotics. I would suggest taking him to a qualified vet for assessment |
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Location: MN | Current pic as of last night. Looked the same this morning.
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| Kay-DRacing. - 2017-10-11 6:39 PM
Current pic as of last night. Looked the same this morning.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Kay-DRacing. - 2017-10-11 6:39 PM Current pic as of last night. Looked the same this morning.
That dont look right at all to me, I would be hauling him back to the Vet as soon as possible, never seen one do that. Dont wast any time call your vet and get him in.. |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2017-10-12 11:44 AM
Kay-DRacing. - 2017-10-11 6:39 PM Current pic as of last night. Looked the same this morning.
That dont look right at all to me, I would be hauling him back to the Vet as soon as possible, never seen one do that. Dont wast any time call your vet and get him in..
Agree with this. Mine had a swollen sheath and some swelling in his abdomen but the actual surgical/incision site never swelled or looked yellow like that. Looks like it closed up. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Meep.Meep - 2017-10-12 11:55 AM Southtxponygirl - 2017-10-12 11:44 AM Kay-DRacing. - 2017-10-11 6:39 PM Current pic as of last night. Looked the same this morning. That dont look right at all to me, I would be hauling him back to the Vet as soon as possible, never seen one do that. Dont wast any time call your vet and get him in.. Agree with this. Mine had a swollen sheath and some swelling in his abdomen but the actual surgical/incision site never swelled or looked yellow like that. Looks like it closed up.
It looks kinda scary to me, by looking at the picture it looks like to me some type of intestine was trying to come threw, I dont think that could be possible but I see different layers of skin.. So that is scary looking so please get him to the Vet ASAP..  |
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Location: MN | Thanks yall. I have a call into my vet. Still waiting to hear back and will keep you posted. In the mean time I ran home and took more pics. It IS draining.
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Location: MN | Thank you! She just gave me a call back. She said the same thing the other vets did (4th vet to tell me). Since he isnt running a fever, she isnt too concerned either. Im sending her these pics to just put my mind at ease. She may change her mind and say she wants to see him. Ill keep you posted! Thank you again for all the positive vibes. |
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Location: MN | Meep.Meep - 2017-10-12 2:45 PM Those pictures look a lot better than the one. Those don't concern me like that one did.
Im wondering if I should just go ahead and give Penicillin for 3 days just as a precaution? The folks I got him from gave him 3 days worth of penicillin due to him feeling a little dumpy before I picked him up. That was about 2 weeks ago. |
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| I was always told that giving penicillin for less than 7 days was a no-no. Should actually give for 10-14 days. I am not big into giving antibiotics unless it is absolutely necessary. If you are afraid he might have an infection I would have a vet come out or haul him in and make sure that he really does need them before giving. But that's just me  |
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Location: MN | Meep.Meep - 2017-10-12 3:22 PM I was always told that giving penicillin for less than 7 days was a no-no. Should actually give for 10-14 days. I am not big into giving antibiotics unless it is absolutely necessary. If you are afraid he might have an infection I would have a vet come out or haul him in and make sure that he really does need them before giving. But that's just me
Its amazing how vets differ across the country lol. The 2 main vets up here say to give no longer than 3-5 days! Crazy  Thanks again for the advice! |
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At 5 months he has no antibodies in his system due to colostrum
and no contact with other bacteria in that short time of being alive
to have any type of immunity.
At 5 months most are the size of peanuts and easy to make a mistake
when pulling them down to get the "worm" to insure he doesn't
turn out to be proud cut.
As you can see the incision is large for this size of foal and folks the
yellow is a spray disinfectant administered by the vet.
Adult sized hands require a certain amount of working room to
make sure things are being done correctly!!
Appears like the incision remained laid open instead of skin to
skin closure which would be normal in a larger older colt.
You would need a special smaller pair of emasculators on this
size of foal which are really needed to stop the bleeding,
swelling and closing him off for fast healing. IMO none were
used.
He looks much better but I believe in being preventive so I
would do the following ...
Time to be a little aggressive ...
Cold water thumb pressure spray the area for 5 minutes daily ..
Make sure you spray some into his sheath to keep it clean and open
Puff a good amount of caustic powder on the incision area that
appears to be having a problem with proud flesh for a week.
Since this colt has no real immunity to anything ... I would give
him a powdered antibiotic and make sure he eats it or make a
solution and pull it into a syringe to give by mouth like you would
worming. Give him 50% more per dose so any leakage from his
mouth is covered.
If anyone gives him an IM shot make sure you alcohol the injection
site and use a 20 gauge needle.
LAST THING ... make sure he is peeing out his sheath and no leakage
in the incision area ..
ALSO keep in mind his little waggler should be hanging out and not
withdrawn up inside the sheath ... pay attention if he hangs it out
to pee as he heals up. .. which is normal at this age. If not
vet may have cut something that he shouldn't have.
Don't quibble around or short cut my suggestions ...
the cost is less than a burger, fries and coke ... lol
FYI: caustic powder eats the unique to a horse of granulated flesh
that may trap a pool of infection and if allowed to turn into
proud flesh it can take forever to close and will grow a gristle
which creates a knot under the skin after he heals up ...
Now is the time to get to work ..
And next time wait till they are long yearlings or 2 yr olds ..
GOOD LUCK
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2017-10-12 3:43 PM
Think twice on castrating before a year old!!
At 5 months he has no antibodies in his system due to colostrum
and no contact with other bacteria in that short time of being alive
to have any type of immunity.
At 5 months most are the size of peanuts and easy to make a mistake
when pulling them down to get the "worm" to insure he doesn't
turn out to be proud cut.
As you can see the incision is large for this size of foal and folks the
yellow is a spray disinfectant administered by the vet.
Adult sized hands require a certain amount of working room to
make sure things are being done correctly!!
Appears like the incision remained laid open instead of skin to
skin closure which would be normal in a larger older colt.
You would need a special smaller pair of emasculators on this
size of foal which are really needed to stop the bleeding,
swelling and closing him off for fast healing. IMO none were
used.
He looks much better but I believe in being preventive so I
would do the following ...
Time to be a little aggressive ...
Cold water thumb pressure spray the area for 5 minutes daily ..
Make sure you spray some into his sheath to keep it clean and open
Puff a good amount of caustic powder on the incision area that
appears to be having a problem with proud flesh for a week.
Since this colt has no real immunity to anything ... I would give
him a powdered antibiotic and make sure he eats it or make a
solution and pull it into a syringe to give by mouth like you would
worming. Give him 50% more per dose so any leakage from his
mouth is covered.
If anyone gives him an IM shot make sure you alcohol the injection
site and use a 20 gauge needle.
LAST THING ... make sure he is peeing out his sheath and no leakage
in the incision area ..
Don't quibble around or short cut my suggestions ...
the cost is less than a burger, fries and coke ... lol
FYI: caustic powder eats the unique to a horse of granulated flesh
that may trap a pool of infection and if allowed to turn into
proud flesh it can take forever to close and will grow a gristle
which creates a knot under the skin after he heals up ...
Now is the time to get to work ..
And next time wait till they are long yearlings or 2 yr olds ..
GOOD LUCK
That yellow is most likely tissue, there wouldn't be any "disinfectant spray" 2 1/2 weeks later. Caustic powder would be the last thing I'd throw on there. Pressure hosing wouldn't be recommended, gentle cold water hosing yes (even my vet said NO to any cold water hosing). Powder antibiotic could reek havoc on his tummy at 5 months old, probably recently weaned? Colts his age do have immunity, colostrum helps them develop their healthy immune system, which usually takes over at 3-5 days old. I don't know where you get your "facts" but they often leave me scratching my head. |
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BARRELHORSE USA - 2017-10-12 3:43 PM
Think twice on castrating before a year old!!
At 5 months he has no antibodies in his system due to colostrum
and no contact with other bacteria in that short time of being alive
to have any type of immunity.
At 5 months most are the size of peanuts and easy to make a mistake
when pulling them down to get the "worm" to insure he doesn't
turn out to be proud cut.
As you can see the incision is large for this size of foal and folks the
yellow is a spray disinfectant administered by the vet.
Adult sized hands require a certain amount of working room to
make sure things are being done correctly!!
Appears like the incision remained laid open instead of skin to
skin closure which would be normal in a larger older colt.
You would need a special smaller pair of emasculators on this
size of foal which are really needed to stop the bleeding,
swelling and closing him off for fast healing. IMO none were
used.
He looks much better but I believe in being preventive so I
would do the following ...
Time to be a little aggressive ...
Cold water thumb pressure spray the area for 5 minutes daily ..
Make sure you spray some into his sheath to keep it clean and open
Puff a good amount of caustic powder on the incision area that
appears to be having a problem with proud flesh for a week.
Since this colt has no real immunity to anything ... I would give
him a powdered antibiotic and make sure he eats it or make a
solution and pull it into a syringe to give by mouth like you would
worming. Give him 50% more per dose so any leakage from his
mouth is covered.
If anyone gives him an IM shot make sure you alcohol the injection
site and use a 20 gauge needle.
LAST THING ... make sure he is peeing out his sheath and no leakage
in the incision area ..
Don't quibble around or short cut my suggestions ...
the cost is less than a burger, fries and coke ... lol
FYI: caustic powder eats the unique to a horse of granulated flesh
that may trap a pool of infection and if allowed to turn into
proud flesh it can take forever to close and will grow a gristle
which creates a knot under the skin after he heals up ...
Now is the time to get to work ..
And next time wait till they are long yearlings or 2 yr olds ..
GOOD LUCK
That yellow is most likely tissue, there wouldn't be any "disinfectant spray" 2 1/2 weeks later. Caustic powder would be the last thing I'd throw on there. Pressure hosing wouldn't be recommended, gentle cold water hosing yes (even my vet said NO to any cold water hosing ). Powder antibiotic could reek havoc on his tummy at 5 months old, probably recently weaned? Colts his age do have immunity, colostrum helps them develop their healthy immune system, which usually takes over at 3-5 days old. I don't know where you get your "facts" but they often leave me scratching my head.
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Why do you embarrass yourself like this??
Colostrum has essentially lost its affects by 5 months old so it
is imperative not to do anything that requires stress and possibly
an infection site as they gain immunity to everyday bacteria.
Powdered antibiotics are one of the least powerful and widest
ranges you can give to assist his body attack system to
concentrate on the incision area.
Thumb pressure water spraying increases blood flow and massages
the area to help healing.
Look at her 2nd set of photos ... all that yellow stained areas
outside the incision area on hair and skin is what in your opinion??
The yellow at the incision is the same color ....
Whoops left out a comment on caustic powder ... prevents proud flesh
while doctoring a 'cut' with other approved methods regardless
where the 'cut' may be. This happens to be in the darkest and
nastiest part of a horses body and needs 1-2 flushings per day
to keep a bacterial infection in check ..
What would you suggest .. debridement .. and creating a massive
loss of blood and increasing the wound size??
Here is an excellent article to help you out ... the lady vet has a
mile long number of titles and education ...
https://practicalhorsemanmag.com/health-archive/equine-proud-flesh-p...
My experience raising horses for 50 years is my fact book .. lol
Be careful on scratching your head ... bald women very seldom
get asked out on a date ... lol
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Kay-DRacing. - 2017-10-12 1:28 PM Thanks yall. I have a call into my vet. Still waiting to hear back and will keep you posted. In the mean time I ran home and took more pics. It IS draining.
Wow these pictures look a whole lot better, man you had me really worried there for a while. Thanks goodness hes draining  I think I would still want to take him in to the vet and make sure everything is OK on the healing part and see if he does need any meds. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | BARRELHORSE USA - 2017-10-12 4:18 PM Meep.Meep - 2017-10-12 3:52 PM BARRELHORSE USA - 2017-10-12 3:43 PM Think twice on castrating before a year old!! At 5 months he has no antibodies in his system due to colostrum and no contact with other bacteria in that short time of being alive to have any type of immunity. At 5 months most are the size of peanuts and easy to make a mistake when pulling them down to get the "worm" to insure he doesn't turn out to be proud cut. As you can see the incision is large for this size of foal and folks the yellow is a spray disinfectant administered by the vet. Adult sized hands require a certain amount of working room to make sure things are being done correctly!! Appears like the incision remained laid open instead of skin to skin closure which would be normal in a larger older colt. You would need a special smaller pair of emasculators on this size of foal which are really needed to stop the bleeding, swelling and closing him off for fast healing. IMO none were used. He looks much better but I believe in being preventive so I would do the following ... Time to be a little aggressive ... Cold water thumb pressure spray the area for 5 minutes daily .. Make sure you spray some into his sheath to keep it clean and open Puff a good amount of caustic powder on the incision area that appears to be having a problem with proud flesh for a week. Since this colt has no real immunity to anything ... I would give him a powdered antibiotic and make sure he eats it or make a solution and pull it into a syringe to give by mouth like you would worming. Give him 50% more per dose so any leakage from his mouth is covered. If anyone gives him an IM shot make sure you alcohol the injection site and use a 20 gauge needle. LAST THING ... make sure he is peeing out his sheath and no leakage in the incision area .. Don't quibble around or short cut my suggestions ... the cost is less than a burger, fries and coke ... lol FYI: caustic powder eats the unique to a horse of granulated flesh that may trap a pool of infection and if allowed to turn into proud flesh it can take forever to close and will grow a gristle which creates a knot under the skin after he heals up ... Now is the time to get to work .. And next time wait till they are long yearlings or 2 yr olds .. GOOD LUCK That yellow is most likely tissue, there wouldn't be any "disinfectant spray" 2 1/2 weeks later. Caustic powder would be the last thing I'd throw on there. Pressure hosing wouldn't be recommended, gentle cold water hosing yes (even my vet said NO to any cold water hosing ). Powder antibiotic could reek havoc on his tummy at 5 months old, probably recently weaned? Colts his age do have immunity, colostrum helps them develop their healthy immune system, which usually takes over at 3-5 days old. I don't know where you get your "facts" but they often leave me scratching my head. ************************************************** Why do you embarrass yourself like this?? Colostrum has essentially lost its affects by 5 months old so it is imperative not to do anything that requires stress and possibly an infection site as they gain immunity to everyday bacteria. Powdered antibiotics are one of the least powerful and widest ranges you can give to assist his body attack system to concentrate on the incision area. Thumb pressure water spraying increases blood flow and massages the area to help healing. Look at her 2nd set of photos ... all that yellow stained areas outside the incision area on hair and skin is what in your opinion?? The yellow at the incision is the same color .... Whoops left out a comment on caustic powder ... prevents proud flesh while doctoring a 'cut' with other approved methods regardless where the 'cut' may be. This happens to be in the darkest and nastiest part of a horses body and needs 1-2 flushings per day to keep a bacterial infection in check .. What would you suggest .. debridement .. and creating a massive loss of blood and increasing the wound size?? Here is an excellent article to help you out ... the lady vet has a mile long number of titles and education ... https://practicalhorsemanmag.com/health-archive/equine-proud-flesh-p... My experience raising horses for 50 years is my fact book .. lol Be careful on scratching your head ... bald women very seldom get asked out on a date ... lol  . But you just like to hear yourself ramble on and on.. 
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Location: MN | Southtxponygirl - 2017-10-12 5:24 PM
Kay-DRacing. - 2017-10-12 1:28 PM Thanks yall. I have a call into my vet. Still waiting to hear back and will keep you posted. In the mean time I ran home and took more pics. It IS draining.
Wow these pictures look a whole lot better, man you had me really worried there for a while. Thanks goodness hes draining I think I would still want to take him in to the vet and make sure everything is OK on the healing part and see if he does need any meds.
Thank you! Honestly, I was a bit worried when y'all said to call the vet right away. So I did and she actually just got back to me and says it looks normal thru pictures. I believe I'll have her out tomorrow. He was feeling really good tonight while I rode my other to give the little guy some exercise. So that made me feel better!! Here's a pic after his exercising tonight. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Kay-DRacing. - 2017-10-12 8:46 PM Southtxponygirl - 2017-10-12 5:24 PM Kay-DRacing. - 2017-10-12 1:28 PM Thanks yall. I have a call into my vet. Still waiting to hear back and will keep you posted. In the mean time I ran home and took more pics. It IS draining. Wow these pictures look a whole lot better, man you had me really worried there for a while. Thanks goodness hes draining I think I would still want to take him in to the vet and make sure everything is OK on the healing part and see if he does need any meds. Thank you! Honestly, I was a bit worried when y'all said to call the vet right away. So I did and she actually just got back to me and says it looks normal thru pictures. I believe I'll have her out tomorrow. He was feeling really good tonight while I rode my other to give the little guy some exercise. So that made me feel better!! Here's a pic after his exercising tonight.
That one picture that you showed us befor he started to drain looked really bad and painfull, so glad hes ok,, Yep I would love to see a full picture of him.. 
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Location: Arkansas | Southtxponygirl - 2017-10-12 8:53 PM
Kay-DRacing. - 2017-10-12 8:46 PM Southtxponygirl - 2017-10-12 5:24 PM Kay-DRacing. - 2017-10-12 1:28 PM Thanks yall. I have a call into my vet. Still waiting to hear back and will keep you posted. In the mean time I ran home and took more pics. It IS draining. Wow these pictures look a whole lot better, man you had me really worried there for a while. Thanks goodness hes draining I think I would still want to take him in to the vet and make sure everything is OK on the healing part and see if he does need any meds. Thank you! Honestly, I was a bit worried when y'all said to call the vet right away. So I did and she actually just got back to me and says it looks normal thru pictures. I believe I'll have her out tomorrow. He was feeling really good tonight while I rode my other to give the little guy some exercise. So that made me feel better!! Here's a pic after his exercising tonight.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Chandler's Mom - 2017-10-12 9:08 PM Southtxponygirl - 2017-10-12 8:53 PM Kay-DRacing. - 2017-10-12 8:46 PM Southtxponygirl - 2017-10-12 5:24 PM Kay-DRacing. - 2017-10-12 1:28 PM Thanks yall. I have a call into my vet. Still waiting to hear back and will keep you posted. In the mean time I ran home and took more pics. It IS draining. Wow these pictures look a whole lot better, man you had me really worried there for a while. Thanks goodness hes draining I think I would still want to take him in to the vet and make sure everything is OK on the healing part and see if he does need any meds. Thank you! Honestly, I was a bit worried when y'all said to call the vet right away. So I did and she actually just got back to me and says it looks normal thru pictures. I believe I'll have her out tomorrow. He was feeling really good tonight while I rode my other to give the little guy some exercise. So that made me feel better!! Here's a pic after his exercising tonight. I agree on seeing his complete picture---you're gonna give him a complex showing just THAT part of him
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| Kay-DRacing. - 2017-10-12 8:46 PM
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Kay-DRacing. - 2017-10-12 1:28 PM Thanks yall. I have a call into my vet. Still waiting to hear back and will keep you posted. In the mean time I ran home and took more pics. It IS draining.
Wow these pictures look a whole lot better, man you had me really worried there for a while. Thanks goodness hes draining I think I would still want to take him in to the vet and make sure everything is OK on the healing part and see if he does need any meds.
Thank you! Honestly, I was a bit worried when y'all said to call the vet right away. So I did and she actually just got back to me and says it looks normal thru pictures. I believe I'll have her out tomorrow. He was feeling really good tonight while I rode my other to give the little guy some exercise. So that made me feel better!! Here's a pic after his exercising tonight.
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Location: MN | Haha poor fella. He's been such a trooper. I've never been around such a laid back colt! Sucker isn't afraid of anything either. I'll post pics tomorrow since they won't let me load from my phone!
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| the horse does not look that bad. Several things to remember.
1. Gravity pulls everything downward to the lowest point. That swelling is fluid that has relocated not infection.
2. Gelding a 5 month old colt is a little early. Vets often have to go up into the abdominal cavity which is more invasive
3. Only geld when the signs are right. They do not bleed and will not swell.
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Location: MN | streakysox - 2017-10-13 9:41 AM
the horse does not look that bad. Several things to remember.
1. Gravity pulls everything downward to the lowest point. That swelling is fluid that has relocated not infection.
2. Gelding a 5 month old colt is a little early. Vets often have to go up into the abdominal cavity which is more invasive
3. Only geld when the signs are right. They do not bleed and will not swell.
Thanks for your input! He looked even better this morning. Seems like everything is distributing like it should and no swelling at all.
I was told he had already dropped when he was gelded and it was very easy. Everything went smoothly.
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Location: MN | Meet Flashin In the Reign aka Wilson aka the infamous weiner. I have high hopes for this guy in the future!
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/flashin+in+the+reign
PS - I dont have the greatest of pictures because he wont stand still long enough for me to get a decent view so I have to catch him off guard to get the glam shots.
Thank you again for all of the advice and kind words. Really put my mind at ease when I needed it most! Yall are the best!
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| Kay-DRacing. - 2017-10-13 10:10 AM Meet Flashin In the Reign aka Wilson aka the infamous weiner. I have high hopes for this guy in the future!
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/flashin+in+the+reign
PS - I dont have the greatest of pictures because he wont stand still long enough for me to get a decent view so I have to catch him off guard to get the glam shots.
Thank you again for all of the advice and kind words. Really put my mind at ease when I needed it most! Yall are the best!
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Southtxponygirl - 2017-10-12 5:31 PM BARRELHORSE USA - 2017-10-12 4:18 PM Meep.Meep - 2017-10-12 3:52 PM BARRELHORSE USA - 2017-10-12 3:43 PM Think twice on castrating before a year old!! At 5 months he has no antibodies in his system due to colostrum and no contact with other bacteria in that short time of being alive to have any type of immunity. At 5 months most are the size of peanuts and easy to make a mistake when pulling them down to get the "worm" to insure he doesn't turn out to be proud cut. As you can see the incision is large for this size of foal and folks the yellow is a spray disinfectant administered by the vet. Adult sized hands require a certain amount of working room to make sure things are being done correctly!! Appears like the incision remained laid open instead of skin to skin closure which would be normal in a larger older colt. You would need a special smaller pair of emasculators on this size of foal which are really needed to stop the bleeding, swelling and closing him off for fast healing. IMO none were used. He looks much better but I believe in being preventive so I would do the following ... Time to be a little aggressive ... Cold water thumb pressure spray the area for 5 minutes daily .. Make sure you spray some into his sheath to keep it clean and open Puff a good amount of caustic powder on the incision area that appears to be having a problem with proud flesh for a week. Since this colt has no real immunity to anything ... I would give him a powdered antibiotic and make sure he eats it or make a solution and pull it into a syringe to give by mouth like you would worming. Give him 50% more per dose so any leakage from his mouth is covered. If anyone gives him an IM shot make sure you alcohol the injection site and use a 20 gauge needle. LAST THING ... make sure he is peeing out his sheath and no leakage in the incision area .. Don't quibble around or short cut my suggestions ... the cost is less than a burger, fries and coke ... lol FYI: caustic powder eats the unique to a horse of granulated flesh that may trap a pool of infection and if allowed to turn into proud flesh it can take forever to close and will grow a gristle which creates a knot under the skin after he heals up ... Now is the time to get to work .. And next time wait till they are long yearlings or 2 yr olds .. GOOD LUCK That yellow is most likely tissue, there wouldn't be any "disinfectant spray" 2 1/2 weeks later. Caustic powder would be the last thing I'd throw on there. Pressure hosing wouldn't be recommended, gentle cold water hosing yes (even my vet said NO to any cold water hosing ). Powder antibiotic could reek havoc on his tummy at 5 months old, probably recently weaned? Colts his age do have immunity, colostrum helps them develop their healthy immune system, which usually takes over at 3-5 days old. I don't know where you get your "facts" but they often leave me scratching my head. ************************************************** Why do you embarrass yourself like this?? Colostrum has essentially lost its affects by 5 months old so it is imperative not to do anything that requires stress and possibly an infection site as they gain immunity to everyday bacteria. Powdered antibiotics are one of the least powerful and widest ranges you can give to assist his body attack system to concentrate on the incision area. Thumb pressure water spraying increases blood flow and massages the area to help healing. Look at her 2nd set of photos ... all that yellow stained areas outside the incision area on hair and skin is what in your opinion?? The yellow at the incision is the same color .... Whoops left out a comment on caustic powder ... prevents proud flesh while doctoring a 'cut' with other approved methods regardless where the 'cut' may be. This happens to be in the darkest and nastiest part of a horses body and needs 1-2 flushings per day to keep a bacterial infection in check .. What would you suggest .. debridement .. and creating a massive loss of blood and increasing the wound size?? Here is an excellent article to help you out ... the lady vet has a mile long number of titles and education ... https://practicalhorsemanmag.com/health-archive/equine-proud-flesh-p... My experience raising horses for 50 years is my fact book .. lol Be careful on scratching your head ... bald women very seldom get asked out on a date ... lol
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| The last one I got gelded I went by the "signs" because I read so much about how it works. My horse bled like a stuck pig and swelled for 3 weeks. Maybe I am just unlucky. But he did live, so it's all good now! We also castrated our bull calves by the signs last time and we lost two of them, normally don't lose any. No more "sign" reading for me lol |
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Location: MN | Meep.Meep - 2017-10-13 1:43 PM What a pretty boy!! Glad he is doing so well!
Thank you! Im a sucker for a bay and big white blazes.  This is my first time owning a weanling so I feel like I have so much to learn and he makes me feel like I know so little! Im not sure why because I've owned horses for all but 6 years of my life but he does!
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Location: MN | Meep.Meep - 2017-10-13 1:57 PM The last one I got gelded I went by the "signs" because I read so much about how it works. My horse bled like a stuck pig and swelled for 3 weeks. Maybe I am just unlucky. But he did live, so it's all good now! We also castrated our bull calves by the signs last time and we lost two of them, normally don't lose any. No more "sign" reading for me lol
WOW...that is scary! Im glad he made it! I was told if the kahuna's are there, they can be taken! So that's what they did. I think I just got the ladder side effects unfortunately. |
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| Kay-DRacing. - 2017-10-13 2:14 PM
Meep.Meep - 2017-10-13 1:43 PM What a pretty boy!! Glad he is doing so well!
You'll have so much fun with him!! The most rewarding thing I ever did was start raising and buying babies, starting them from the ground up is so much work but such a great experience! |
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Location: Arkansas | Love his name---seems kinda appropriate after this post
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Location: MN | Haha I didn't even think about his name and tying in with this post! Haha! Thank you all. I'm excited to see where he leads us and can hopefully take some pressure off of my other gelding in years to come. |
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