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| I have posted multiple times.. but I am again at wits end. My gelding kicks horribly in the trailer. He has been vetted and chiropracted multiple times. He has been in every spot in the trailer and he been given two spots and I have even tried breeding hobbled to no avail. Tapping the breaks when he kicks just makes him do it more. Here what I have learned he can rub his back legs together to get the quick release snaps off the breeding hobbles. What I have noticed is that is gets progressivly worse when he has to pee. The biggest problem is that he will no pee anywhere besides his stall... so if I can't get him to stop kicking how do I teach him to pee... I am completely boggled by this horse. Can I use actual hobbled. On his back feet ? The hobble that pulls on his front foot when he kicks doesn't stop him and neither does kick chains. |
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Location: South Dakota | Have you tried hauling him in a stock trailer, where he can stand backwards or sideways, which ever way he chooses? Is he claustrophobic in your trailer? The answers lies within his mind...I have never had much luck in getting forceful or making them do things, even if you can get it done that way, they are stressed, ulcery, and unhappy, when you find a way to make your idea...his idea, things may improve for you. Hope you can get it all figured out. |
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Location: Ohio girl moved to PA | Does he kick anywhere else? like in his stall or in other small places?
have you ever thought about maybe talking to a Equine communicator? i know some people dont believe in it, but if youve tried everything else, what have you got to lose? My best friend did it with her horse when they couldnt figure out his bucking issue, talked to someone and her horse said there was something poking him everytime she got on him. Come to find out there was a tinyyyyy digger stuck in the saddle pad and when her weight was on him its when it poked him. After months of chiro, massage, therapies, you name it, she did. It was all because of a little burr that we had to search for with freaking tweezers. But, after that he never bucked again!! |
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| ridejg - 2017-10-15 9:38 PM
Have you tried hauling him in a stock trailer, where he can stand backwards or sideways, which ever way he chooses? Is he claustrophobic in your trailer? The answers lies within his mind...I have never had much luck in getting forceful or making them do things, even if you can get it done that way, they are stressed, ulcery, and unhappy, when you find a way to make your idea...his idea, things may improve for you. Hope you can get it all figured out.
This. I have a friend who ended up having to convert her 4 horse slant into a 2 horse slant with a box stall in the back so her good mare could ride backwards. Prior to that she tore the living heck out of several trailers and herself. |
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Location: Idahome | Clean up his kidneys! Imagine bouncing around in the trailer if your kidneys were painful. If he gets worse when he has to pee, that should point to his kidneys or bladder. I like the Kidney Support from Silver Lining Herbs. |
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| He doesn't kick anywhere else. We tried a stock trailer and he kicked that even worse to where I could see the dents on the outside. I gave him a big stall and tried backwards and all he did was kick the other wall. I tried a communicator and when she asked him about it she said that he thought it was fun. My vet too thought that he may have had a kidney infection and that was clean, thought for some reason a bean could be present and causing irritation and well that was clear as well. Nothing as helped we thought maybe his stifles and hocks were sore or his back and all of that is good. |
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Location: Ohio girl moved to PA | EmtRoper - 2017-10-16 2:26 PM He doesn't kick anywhere else. We tried a stock trailer and he kicked that even worse to where I could see the dents on the outside. I gave him a big stall and tried backwards and all he did was kick the other wall. I tried a communicator and when she asked him about it she said that he thought it was fun. My vet too thought that he may have had a kidney infection and that was clean, thought for some reason a bean could be present and causing irritation and well that was clear as well. Nothing as helped we thought maybe his stifles and hocks were sore or his back and all of that is good.
What a little ****! If thats why he does it then hes just doing it to be a pain in your rear! Did she ask him if anything was hurting him or sore anywhere? That could be a link possibly? |
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Location: West Texas | How does he kick with sideline hobbles?
Edited by Tdove 2017-10-16 2:25 PM
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Location: Alaska | I have the EXACT same problem. My gelding will destroy any horse trailer and any horse that is in the horse trailer with him. He has broken dividers within minutes of puling out of the driveway. I have tried an animal communicator, every lameness vet within 3,000 miles, chiropractor, massage therapy, tapping the breaks, driving slower than molasses, using a different truck, different horse trailers, with horses, without, backwards, loose, slant load, front load and stock, hobbles, kicking chains, hay bails, I hate to say it, but I even attempted a shock collar (once). I have drugged him, fed him hay, alfalfa, his grain, tried it without any food. He has destroyed my trailer. He loads up like a dream, jumps right in. When you take him out, he stands nice and waits for you to come in and leaves like a gentleman. I have rode in the horse trailer with him for hours, to see what could possibly be going on. Well wouldn't you know it, he is the most perfectly behaved boy when I am in the trailer with him. He eats quietly and almost seems to doze off. So frustrating.....
We haul 4 days a week. I had to figure something out. We took all the dividers out of my three horse slant load. Covered the entire inside of the trailer with thick stall mats. every wall is covered with stall mats. I put kicking chains on his hind legs, I put shipping boots on his front legs, I put a big bag of hay in front of him and tie him to the first stall tie, and head down the road. He still will throw a tantrum and you can feel the trailer rocking but he cant do a lot of damage to himself with his fronts wrapped and the entire trailer being covered in rubber. It is not near as fun for him to kick, because it doesn't make that terrible sound anymore, that did slow him down a lot. I can not haul with other people or horses unless I want to ride in the trailer with them. It is a bummer, but I am hoping as time goes by maybe he will get better. We have traveled six, seven hours for one trip, and he will still decide he wants to lose his mind every once in a while. No rhyme or reason. I have never been so lost. I have had horses my entire life and have hauled a lot of miles and I have never seen anything like this. No one I talk to has ever seen anything like this. So please if you figure something out, please remember me and come back and tell me what you did to fix this issue. I will probably be somewhere sitting in the back of a horse trailer going down a dirt road wishing the bucket I was sitting on had better cushion. :)
The only thing I can recommend is to meet him half way. If you are going to continue to trailer him, protect your trailer and your horse as much as you can, and load up and head down the highway. GOOD LUCK!!!!! |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | I had a really nice mare that did this, I just hobbled her back legs together with regular hobbles for the front legs. On long trips I would unbuckle one side everytime we stopped so she could spread out to pee if she wanted to. I also used shipping boots on her back legs so the little bit she did kick she wouldn't injure herself. She was an evil heifer, safest place around her was on her back, what I wouldn't give to have her back, quirks and all.... |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | We had a racehorse that did this too, come to think of it my trailer kickers were two of the best horses I ever owned. We hung a crib mattress behind him, never attempted to hobble him just didn't want him to hurt himself. |
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Location: Alaska | When I hobbled mine, he just double barreled, and then threw himself into the walls and the dividers.
He is super talented when it comes to destruction of horse trailers. Always seems pretty proud of himself too.... |
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| 907brlrcr - 2017-10-16 3:13 PM
When I hobbled mine, he just double barreled, and then threw himself into the walls and the dividers.
He is super talented when it comes to destruction of horse trailers. Always seems pretty proud of himself too....
I'd give mine a little "lead poisoning" if they did that! |
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Location: Alaska | Oh TRUST me there have been times I have had to take a walk around the block before I opened up that trailer door......
He will be my greatest teacher. Too bad I didn't even want to learn most of the crap he is teaching me.  |
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| he might be hurting, my mare started this and come to find out her hocks and splints were sore...from kicking the fence at home. Put her on Previcox and she now lives in her BOT or PC quick wraps and is much better.
This may sound stupid, but when I was a teenager I used to hot walk at our local race track. One of the trainers there had taught all his horses to pee on command by whistling to them for a while so that they would be empty for the race as well as the drug testing they did. I have NO idea how you train a horse to pee on command, but it was really cool and came in handy when I was gifted with one of my charges to turn into a hunter/jumper after the track season was over. Maybe something you can look into, or something similar you can try? |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I knew two horses that were kickers and they were never broke of it either, always had to put them in the back so they would not hurt the horses they were hauled with. And had to put up extra mats on the trailer walls to keep the damage down.. |
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| Tdove - 2017-10-16 2:20 PM
How does he kick with sideline hobbles?
Because he just keeps his front foot back far enough. He is too smart for his own good. I think I am going to try and tighten up the rope more. Than the standard that I bought them with |
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| RodeoCowgirl4u - 2017-10-16 4:48 PM
he might be hurting, my mare started this and come to find out her hocks and splints were sore...from kicking the fence at home. Put her on Previcox and she now lives in her BOT or PC quick wraps and is much better.
This may sound stupid, but when I was a teenager I used to hot walk at our local race track. One of the trainers there had taught all his horses to pee on command by whistling to them for a while so that they would be empty for the race as well as the drug testing they did. I have NO idea how you train a horse to pee on command, but it was really cool and came in handy when I was gifted with one of my charges to turn into a hunter/jumper after the track season was over. Maybe something you can look into, or something similar you can try?
He's been vetted and chiro to no avail. Neither one of them could find soreness and we did xrays of his stiffles and hicks. Vet also checked back and whorlbone and pasturns feet and pretty much everywhere else. Basically I have just come to the conclusion that he is just a jack*** . |
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Location: Florida.. | the vibration can cause hocks to hurt if he has sore hocks
and they kick when it hurts and I would also look at kidneys.. |
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| EmtRoper - 2017-10-15 9:14 PM
I have posted multiple times.. but I am again at wits end. My gelding kicks horribly in the trailer. He has been vetted and chiropracted multiple times. He has been in every spot in the trailer and he been given two spots and I have even tried breeding hobbled to no avail. Tapping the breaks when he kicks just makes him do it more. Here what I have learned he can rub his back legs together to get the quick release snaps off the breeding hobbles. What I have noticed is that is gets progressivly worse when he has to pee. The biggest problem is that he will no pee anywhere besides his stall... so if I can't get him to stop kicking how do I teach him to pee... I am completely boggled by this horse. Can I use actual hobbled. On his back feet ? The hobble that pulls on his front foot when he kicks doesn't stop him and neither does kick chains.
You have the answer in your first post ..
HE WILL ONLY PEE IN HIS STALL
One of the most expensive horses I have bought was a well bred
2 yo reiner and had been stalled his entire life due to his "value".
A gelding or mare will stretch out and lower their back to pee and
to poop will hump their back and tuck their rear legs ..
I did what others have suggested .. more rubber on walls, baby
mattress etc to cushion his impact on trailer and himself ..
I tied him many times outside the barn for 12-14 hours and on walker to
try to get him to pee besides his stall ... didn't work ... he
would squirm around like a little boy but would refuse to pee.
grrrrrrrr
Meanwhile, brain said ... he wants to pee .. so I started putting
him in the rear trailer stall and when he made a rukus .. finding a safe
place to stop and longe' and stop and longe' and stop him till he peed ...
He did learn after 2 years that stopping to longe' meant he could
pee ... so the stops got shorter and I knew every safe grassy spot
from my barn to Ft Worth or Okla City... lol
IMO your horse has the same mental block ...
I am not a drug use person ... but I would experiment with my
vet and Lasix while at home tied outside and see if this diuretic would
get him to pee with a minimum dosage and work upwards
on dose till he does. Keep in mind that it takes 4 hours for Lasix to hit its
full reaction so don't expect him to pee within minutes ... this
experiment is a full days event ..
CAUTION: Work the Lasix experiment in 3 day or once per week with
different amounts of Lasix. I wanted to make it clear not to do it
2-3-4 days in a row or to keep giving him larger amounts in one days
experiment. OK?? And after each test ... no water for the 4 hours ..
then a half bucket each 30 minutes till he is satisfied. Then he
can freely drink out of his normal bucket ..
Then again .. he may be too big to stretch out and pee in a trailer
even with Lasix ..
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This is for every trailer owner with horses kicking or creating
a ruckus and your own safety. There is a little pen shaped
beeper that will beep if there is any loose electrical voltage
running around in your trailers by just touching metal parts
to see if it gives its warning beeps ... with all the electrical
things in trailers these days this thing is a good tool. Even
to see if there is power in plugins etc in house, barn or
trailer ... make sure it will read down to 12 volts for any
battery type shorts ... cost ... $10-15 at Lowes or HP
It will not tell you the voltage it only beeps ...
just try it out on a wire in your house or barn ...
it works thru the plastic insulation on electric wires.
HAVE FUN ..
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Location: West Texas | EmtRoper - 2017-10-16 8:50 PM
Tdove - 2017-10-16 2:20 PM
How does he kick with sideline hobbles?
Because he just keeps his front foot back far enough. He is too smart for his own good. I think I am going to try and tighten up the rope more. Than the standard that I bought them with
Yep, I would try to tighten them up or get a shorter length. We have a mare that can be really bad. Often times we put sideline hobbles on both sides to haul.
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Kicking again. ..