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Location: The Lone Star State | I am getting older and have always broke my own colts and trained them but because im getting older and too busy I decided to send my 2.5 year old Frenchmans Bogie/World speed colt off to be broke. I sent him to a very reputable trainer so no worries there (got lots of good recommendations for this guy) BUT this colt is stubborn and quite a hard headed dude. He has been at the trainers exactly 1 month and he has been updating me but he told me today that he was cow kicking and just being an ornery **** when he was ground driving and round penning him, he has been on him 5 or 6 times snubbed up to another gelding and he did buck each time but not bad enough to unload him. He said he wasnt too worried about it and the he was showing improvement but he has quite the "attitude" he said. He said he just wants him to give it up so to speak.
I am so glad I made the decision to send him off and I plan to let him have him for several months but jheez It makes me concerned.
I had to geld him early because he was so studdy so Im not surprised one bit at this info and kind of expected it.
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| Is he gelded now? I just find this odd because I have a Frenchman's Bogie filly who literally was born halter broke and is so feely and smart and good minded!
ETA: Sorry, missed the last line! I agree give him another month- lots of wet saddle blankets. And post some pics if you have any!
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Location: Deep South | I would give him one more month to make significant progress on the behavioral issues. Then I would be concerned.
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| this is just my personal opinion. I know that there have been some amazing horses that were hell to deal with at first. However, I do horses as a hobby. They are supposed to be "fun" for me. This being said, I won't keep one that doesn't want to get with the program. I have 3. They all have their personalities, and their quirks, but they are all respectful and mostly willing. I have 1 that has bucked in the past but I got after him for it and that was that. Life is too short for a hard to deal with horse IMO. Some people thrive on a challenge- I don't. The rest of my life is PLENTY challenging for me LOL |
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Location: Windoming | I had a two year old frenchmans bred filly that would whirl around and kick at you in the same spot in the round pen. It took three of us taking turns working her in the round pen one day until she finally stopped kicking out. She is 14 now and has never kicked since then. Total attitude adjustment. |
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| As long as you have the colt with a good trainer whose style fits him well, don't worry too much and give it a little time. A lot of people don't see what their nice older horses were like as 2-year-olds and the work that went into making them those nice older horses. |
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Location: The Lone Star State | Thanks for the replys, I am planning on him staying at least 2 more months. I agree life if too short to keep a bad one but he is so dang athletic I am praying he gets with the program!
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Location: Oklahoma | I have a Frenchmen Bogie that is 10 yrs. old. He bucked a little when he was getting broke and they said you cant give him an inch he will take a mile lol. When I got mine home he was fine unless he was sick or hurt he would buck but only to let me know something was wrong. I would fix and he was fine. Good luck with him! Yours is still a baby, he will grow up. :)) |
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Location: Texas | I'd give him more time.
A few years ago, I sent a filly off that was out of my favorite old mare; it was her last baby. The trainer called after a couple weeks and told me she's broncy. He said "lets give it a couple more weeks". He did, and she turned the corner!! I'm an old lady and I ride this lovely mare now.
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Location: "Si Fi" Ville | I had to reply. I’ve been in your shoes many times the last few years. The last one I got was the worst. He stayed at the trainer’s barn for a year. Unfortunately despite all the riding he has never gotten trustworthy. I sold him. It wasn’t worth me dying. However, I pray yours turns around.
But I had one that did turn around. And he never was bad again.
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| I have two granddaughters of Frenchmans Bogie. Both are exceptional barrel horses. The four year old threw me in June. Had her at the vet the next week and she had ulcers. No signs. Not really under stress. Both of them had a little attitude when they went to the trainer but seem to have out grown that. One is a multiple champion and world champion. |
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| I have a Sun Frost bred filly that's a bit of a challenge currently. She's 2, just went for 45 days in Sept. She was doing great. Hadn't bucked since about middle of week 2. He took out on trail rides alone and you don't do that with a nut! I went and rode her several times at his place and all was good.
Brought her home and she lost her mind. She went into a hard heat and she bucked just saddling and then she bucked me off. I called the trainer and he came out and rode her. He was shocked. I could see a marked difference in her attitude. She even bucked him off at one point during that ride.
Currently due to weather and work, she's getting the winter off. Next spring, there's a real good chance she'll go back to the trainer for a spring tune up. If at that point she doesn't come around, I'll sadly have to sell her. I'm getting to the point that I'm not thrilled at hitting the dirt and if I can't trust her, then what's the point? I'm praying she comes around because she's going to be stellar if I can harness her mare-i-tude. |
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Location: SE KS | I have a gelding he's 10. We've owned him since he was a yearling, watching him play in the pasture, I couldn't wait for him to be old enough to ride, he looked like he had a lope to die for!!!! Husband decides it'll be his heel horse. He was little so we waited an extra year to start him, he's been ridden of n on several times for us, so he's broke. So as a 4 yo he goes to the rope horse trainer, does good, we bring him home, husband doesn't ride for a little while, takes him to the roping pen, bucks him off. Cracked ribs & a partially collapsed lung, husband doesn't ride him again. I take him on, he has bucked me off at least once maybe twice. He cannot be let off he has to be ridden every day!!!!!!!!! Now as an older horse he's so much better!!!!!!!! The good ones take some figuring out as long as I rode him and started out at a long trot for the first 20 or 30 minutes he was good, but if you start out fast he would buck!!!
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Location: Claremore, OK | I’d give him at least one more month, IF you trust your trainer’s opinion. (Having to ride snubbed to a pony horse isn’t my style )
I think having to cut him early due to attitude is a pretty good sign he might not have a great attitude. Before I made a decision I would want to make sure there wasn’t a pain issue. |
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| I'm so glad you asked this though. I was nervous to ask it.
I see SO many ads, No Buck, Sweet as can be, blah blah. I truly wondered how many had hard starters out there and how long to keep trying! |
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| I'd give the guy a chance to turn the corner and realize when he wants to be a real prick, life gets harder for him. You see something in him,
he's just a fighter the whole way around, he might just need to learn when to use it.
We had to wait to geld our colt because he dropped late, but I wish we could've cut him sooner since he's super mouthy and arrogant almost. He's part Friesian, that's where the mouth and attitude comes from. He would walk all day, but doing anything involving work he'd buck or carry on. Luckily he's big and slow so no one was ever unseated. He still does this in the arena, but he works like a champ in the woods for the SO. He's four, over 16 hands and when he's forced to do something uncomfortable he'll still throw sass. I don't want to be too hard on him yet since he's growing so fast.
Since everyone wants pics for proof, first time he was rode double for pickup race, and walking or trotting was not in his vocab that day after an attitude adjustment for bucking when cantering.
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| mgander - 2017-10-31 10:20 AM
I'd give the guy a chance to turn the corner and realize when he wants to be a real prick, life gets harder for him. You see something in him,
he's just a fighter the whole way around, he might just need to learn when to use it.
We had to wait to geld our colt because he dropped late, but I wish we could've cut him sooner since he's super mouthy and arrogant almost. He's part Friesian, that's where the mouth and attitude comes from. He would walk all day, but doing anything involving work he'd buck or carry on. Luckily he's big and slow so no one was ever unseated. He still does this in the arena, but he works like a champ in the woods for the SO. He's four, over 16 hands and when he's forced to do something uncomfortable he'll still throw sass. I don't want to be too hard on him yet since he's growing so fast.
Since everyone wants pics for proof, first time he was rode double for pickup race, and walking or trotting was not in his vocab that day after an attitude adjustment for bucking when cantering.
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| At this point, I'm just glad my horse isn't this bad! This has been viral on FB lately.
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| Ticktock - 2017-10-30 7:36 PM Thanks for the replys, I am planning on him staying at least 2 more months. I agree life if too short to keep a bad one but he is so dang athletic I am praying he gets with the program!
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| I've had a puke like that. How long are you willing to wait to see if he might come out of it, and what happens if 1 or 3 or 5 or 10 years if he doesn't? |
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| Whiteboy - 2017-10-31 11:20 AM
I've had a puke like that. How long are you willing to wait to see if he might come out of it, and what happens if 1 or 3 or 5 or 10 years if he doesn't?
He is 2 1/2 and been there a month....That's not enough to know if he is a puke or not IMHO |
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| Meep.Meep - 2017-10-31 11:41 AM
mgander - 2017-10-31 10:20 AM
I'd give the guy a chance to turn the corner and realize when he wants to be a real prick, life gets harder for him. You see something in him,
he's just a fighter the whole way around, he might just need to learn when to use it.
We had to wait to geld our colt because he dropped late, but I wish we could've cut him sooner since he's super mouthy and arrogant almost. He's part Friesian, that's where the mouth and attitude comes from. He would walk all day, but doing anything involving work he'd buck or carry on. Luckily he's big and slow so no one was ever unseated. He still does this in the arena, but he works like a champ in the woods for the SO. He's four, over 16 hands and when he's forced to do something uncomfortable he'll still throw sass. I don't want to be too hard on him yet since he's growing so fast.
Since everyone wants pics for proof, first time he was rode double for pickup race, and walking or trotting was not in his vocab that day after an attitude adjustment for bucking when cantering.
I wouldn't blame any horse for bucking in that situation, especially a young green horse
I wasn’t blaming him at all he’s just an ornery baby some days and figured pics would give someone a laugh  |
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| lopnaround - 2017-10-31 11:17 AM Ticktock - 2017-10-30 7:36 PM Thanks for the replys, I am planning on him staying at least 2 more months. I agree life if too short to keep a bad one but he is so dang athletic I am praying he gets with the program! He's really cute!! He'll figure it out:)
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| mgander - 2017-10-31 11:38 AM
Meep.Meep - 2017-10-31 11:41 AM
mgander - 2017-10-31 10:20 AM
I'd give the guy a chance to turn the corner and realize when he wants to be a real prick, life gets harder for him. You see something in him,
he's just a fighter the whole way around, he might just need to learn when to use it.
We had to wait to geld our colt because he dropped late, but I wish we could've cut him sooner since he's super mouthy and arrogant almost. He's part Friesian, that's where the mouth and attitude comes from. He would walk all day, but doing anything involving work he'd buck or carry on. Luckily he's big and slow so no one was ever unseated. He still does this in the arena, but he works like a champ in the woods for the SO. He's four, over 16 hands and when he's forced to do something uncomfortable he'll still throw sass. I don't want to be too hard on him yet since he's growing so fast.
Since everyone wants pics for proof, first time he was rode double for pickup race, and walking or trotting was not in his vocab that day after an attitude adjustment for bucking when cantering.
I wouldn't blame any horse for bucking in that situation, especially a young green horse
I wasn’t blaming him at all he’s just an ornery baby some days and figured pics would give someone a laugh
You guys are braver than me!  I have a colt that will throw a buck at me once in a while, I think if I tried double he'd kill me and whoever was unlucky enough to be the passenger lol |
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| Meep.Meep - 2017-10-31 11:36 AM
Whiteboy - 2017-10-31 11:20 AM
I've had a puke like that. How long are you willing to wait to see if he might come out of it, and what happens if 1 or 3 or 5 or 10 years if he doesn't?
He is 2 1/2 and been there a month....That's not enough to know if he is a puke or not IMHO
Here is my Frenchmans Bogie granddaughter. She had a little attitude when she was sent to the trainer. I guess you can decide for yourself if she is a puke or not. She won a saddle with this run.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIV0H7w-8NE&t=107s
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| Meep.Meep - 2017-10-31 12:43 PM
mgander - 2017-10-31 11:38 AM
Meep.Meep - 2017-10-31 11:41 AM
mgander - 2017-10-31 10:20 AM
I'd give the guy a chance to turn the corner and realize when he wants to be a real prick, life gets harder for him. You see something in him,
he's just a fighter the whole way around, he might just need to learn when to use it.
We had to wait to geld our colt because he dropped late, but I wish we could've cut him sooner since he's super mouthy and arrogant almost. He's part Friesian, that's where the mouth and attitude comes from. He would walk all day, but doing anything involving work he'd buck or carry on. Luckily he's big and slow so no one was ever unseated. He still does this in the arena, but he works like a champ in the woods for the SO. He's four, over 16 hands and when he's forced to do something uncomfortable he'll still throw sass. I don't want to be too hard on him yet since he's growing so fast.
Since everyone wants pics for proof, first time he was rode double for pickup race, and walking or trotting was not in his vocab that day after an attitude adjustment for bucking when cantering.
I wouldn't blame any horse for bucking in that situation, especially a young green horse
I wasn’t blaming him at all he’s just an ornery baby some days and figured pics would give someone a laugh
You guys are braver than me! I have a colt that will throw a buck at me once in a while, I think if I tried double he'd kill me and whoever was unlucky enough to be the passenger lol
My sister has a horse that'll buck every step at a walk if you're riding double, we don't test faster. His colt is just a big baby with the occasional teenage attitude. He's earned himself boot camp and fun shows next year though. |
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| Don't bash me on this, just speaking from what I've seen. I use to exercise horses for an older lady, I now know her training was mediocre and harsh at best, but she had a two year old that she needed a young person to just put miles on her. Young me, needing cash jumped on. Not even ten minutes into loosely walking around (no fits with just the saddle), I ended up eating dirt. I got dumped five times that night. The filly was just plain mean, and smart. We kept working on it and she was fine after a couple weeks. Took her to the round pen after several lunging sessions in it, and she broke in half. Got dumped again, lunged her around, checked her tack with no problems, and then got back on. Went good for several minutes, then did it again, this time hooked her front legs over top of the round pen panels, I bailed backwards and the lady came storming in.
She laid this filly down that day. Went smooth, no big blow ups or injuries. After she did that, we let the filly quit for the day. I went over the next day to ride her and her attitude was gone and she was the quietest horse to be around, never did anything mean after that. Just a thought, probably not a good one if he keeps acting a turd |
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| mgander - 2017-10-31 9:20 AM
I'd give the guy a chance to turn the corner and realize when he wants to be a real prick, life gets harder for him. You see something in him,
he's just a fighter the whole way around, he might just need to learn when to use it.
We had to wait to geld our colt because he dropped late, but I wish we could've cut him sooner since he's super mouthy and arrogant almost. He's part Friesian, that's where the mouth and attitude comes from. He would walk all day, but doing anything involving work he'd buck or carry on. Luckily he's big and slow so no one was ever unseated. He still does this in the arena, but he works like a champ in the woods for the SO. He's four, over 16 hands and when he's forced to do something uncomfortable he'll still throw sass. I don't want to be too hard on him yet since he's growing so fast.
Since everyone wants pics for proof, first time he was rode double for pickup race, and walking or trotting was not in his vocab that day after an attitude adjustment for bucking when cantering.
Hahaha I love this SO much! Thanks for the giggles =] I love the looks on both of your guys' faces!! Just having fun, laughing and smiling =] |
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Location: Illinois | I broke my black horse out as a 7 year old, he had been a standing stud until then. Absolute A***H****, bucked me off almost weekly. He could buck with his head at his flank, he wasn't giving it up. I broke so many reins trying to pull his head around & he didn't care if he had to hurt himself, you were coming off. He bronced and fought me for 2 years until one day I had enough. We were in the sandy round pen bc the arena was muddy and he started bucking. I let him have the reins, grabbed my over under & just held on with one hand & whailed on him with that over under & dug my spurs in. I think my anger and adrenaline are the only things that kept me on that day. He made this awful growling noise & finally after about 20 laps around just stopped. Rode off fine and hasn't dared to buck since, almost 10 years later. The look in his eye changed that day, I wouldn't say I broke his "spirit" but I definitely broke that stud mentality. Now he'd do anything for me, he's step off a cliff if I asked him to. So sometimes the snottiest ones to break make the best horses I think. My 3 year old now loves attention so she's more than happy to do what you ask just because she's getting to spend time with you lol |
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| Katielovestbs - 2017-10-31 1:53 PM
mgander - 2017-10-31 9:20 AM
I'd give the guy a chance to turn the corner and realize when he wants to be a real prick, life gets harder for him. You see something in him,
he's just a fighter the whole way around, he might just need to learn when to use it.
We had to wait to geld our colt because he dropped late, but I wish we could've cut him sooner since he's super mouthy and arrogant almost. He's part Friesian, that's where the mouth and attitude comes from. He would walk all day, but doing anything involving work he'd buck or carry on. Luckily he's big and slow so no one was ever unseated. He still does this in the arena, but he works like a champ in the woods for the SO. He's four, over 16 hands and when he's forced to do something uncomfortable he'll still throw sass. I don't want to be too hard on him yet since he's growing so fast.
Since everyone wants pics for proof, first time he was rode double for pickup race, and walking or trotting was not in his vocab that day after an attitude adjustment for bucking when cantering.
Hahaha I love this SO much! Thanks for the giggles =] I love the looks on both of your guys' faces!! Just having fun, laughing and smiling =]
No problem, I have several more where he is in this crow hopping pose :| kids will be kids but I'd honestly trust my life in his and his dam over any horse. If you need more giggles let me know Haha |
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| JLazyT_perf_horses - 2017-10-31 1:24 PM I broke my black horse out as a 7 year old, he had been a standing stud until then. Absolute A***H****, bucked me off almost weekly. He could buck with his head at his flank, he wasn't giving it up. I broke so many reins trying to pull his head around & he didn't care if he had to hurt himself, you were coming off. He bronced and fought me for 2 years until one day I had enough. We were in the sandy round pen bc the arena was muddy and he started bucking. I let him have the reins, grabbed my over under & just held on with one hand & whailed on him with that over under & dug my spurs in. I think my anger and adrenaline are the only things that kept me on that day. He made this awful growling noise & finally after about 20 laps around just stopped. Rode off fine and hasn't dared to buck since, almost 10 years later. The look in his eye changed that day, I wouldn't say I broke his "spirit" but I definitely broke that stud mentality. Now he'd do anything for me, he's step off a cliff if I asked him to. So sometimes the snottiest ones to break make the best horses I think. My 3 year old now loves attention so she's more than happy to do what you ask just because she's getting to spend time with you lol
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Location: sunny california | it all depends on how good at bucking he is and how commmited he is to get you off. If he has no self preservation and he is very good at bucking then I would not give much time. especially if he is really good at bucking. you will always question him in the back of your mind and that will not be good for you mentally. Even if the trainer gets the job done the horse may sense your hesitation and that will not be good for either of you.
I had one with a bad attitude but she wasn't a good bucker so we just laughed and kicked her ass. she was always trying something but was easy to manage and well not very skilled at bucking. LOL
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| Had this colt been saddled and worked in the round pen prior to going to this trainer? If so, I would be hesitant to spend more than another 30 days in him. If this is all new to him, I would invest 30 more days and expect a big attitude improvement or he would go down the road. I can't stand a pig headed horse. Life is too short to spend it dealing with horses like that. I agree with Liana, having to cut him due to his attitude was a bad sign.
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Location: The Lone Star State | I love all the replys, I had not done much with him other that he has spent hours standing tied and being ponied and just messed with. This colt is not mean he just has an attitude and I keep thinking if I can channel it in the right direction he might be something awesome. Im willing to see what happens. I will keep yall posted if you want. |
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| Ticktock - 2017-11-01 8:47 AM
I love all the replys, I had not done much with him other that he has spent hours standing tied and being ponied and just messed with. This colt is not mean he just has an attitude and I keep thinking if I can channel it in the right direction he might be something awesome. Im willing to see what happens. I will keep yall posted if you want.
I have a colt I started last year that will still give me a tussle once in a while (I still lunge him before I ride and that's usually when we tangle). And when I ride him he'll buck when he gets excited. I LOVE him, and my husband always says when he is started on the barrels and channels that energy into a run it is going to be amazing. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | Nope, not concerned. I love a horse that has some attitude. Seriously, I had the opprotunity to break many and I would hear back from the trainers that such and such has come on to be a winner.
I too, in my 50's wonder how much longer I should continue to break horses. The most important part of the horses career starts in the first month.
Sometimes with the really onery ones I'll break them in the spring and then give them the hot summer off then once we cool down I go to riding the heck out of them. Put them to work check goats, cows, fence. Do some arena work after they had to pick 'em up and put 'em down in a rough pasture it's amazing how quick the learning comes.
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| JLazyT_perf_horses - 2017-10-31 2:24 PM I broke my black horse out as a 7 year old, he had been a standing stud until then. Absolute A***H****, bucked me off almost weekly. He could buck with his head at his flank, he wasn't giving it up. I broke so many reins trying to pull his head around & he didn't care if he had to hurt himself, you were coming off. He bronced and fought me for 2 years until one day I had enough. We were in the sandy round pen bc the arena was muddy and he started bucking. I let him have the reins, grabbed my over under & just held on with one hand & whailed on him with that over under & dug my spurs in. I think my anger and adrenaline are the only things that kept me on that day. He made this awful growling noise & finally after about 20 laps around just stopped. Rode off fine and hasn't dared to buck since, almost 10 years later. The look in his eye changed that day, I wouldn't say I broke his "spirit" but I definitely broke that stud mentality. Now he'd do anything for me, he's step off a cliff if I asked him to. So sometimes the snottiest ones to break make the best horses I think. My 3 year old now loves attention so she's more than happy to do what you ask just because she's getting to spend time with you lol
As a 6yo my Zan stallion and I had a moment like that, on the ground, and a flying ladder fixed it for good. Stallions are very different in how bad they can be and what it takes to get through their studdy-ness and become a partner.
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JLazyT_perf_horses - 2017-10-31 2:24 PM I broke my black horse out as a 7 year old, he had been a standing stud until then. Absolute A***H****, bucked me off almost weekly. He could buck with his head at his flank, he wasn't giving it up. I broke so many reins trying to pull his head around & he didn't care if he had to hurt himself, you were coming off. He bronced and fought me for 2 years until one day I had enough. We were in the sandy round pen bc the arena was muddy and he started bucking. I let him have the reins, grabbed my over under & just held on with one hand & whailed on him with that over under & dug my spurs in. I think my anger and adrenaline are the only things that kept me on that day. He made this awful growling noise & finally after about 20 laps around just stopped. Rode off fine and hasn't dared to buck since, almost 10 years later. The look in his eye changed that day, I wouldn't say I broke his "spirit" but I definitely broke that stud mentality. Now he'd do anything for me, he's step off a cliff if I asked him to. So sometimes the snottiest ones to break make the best horses I think. My 3 year old now loves attention so she's more than happy to do what you ask just because she's getting to spend time with you lol
As a 6yo my Zan stallion and I had a moment like that, on the ground, and a flying ladder fixed it for good. Stallions are very different in how bad they can be and what it takes to get through their studdy-ness and become a partner.
Good luck to the OP - some do stay bad forever, some get better, and it all depends on their handling (unless it's a truly rank horse). Pressure and release, timing, approach, and sometimes the perfectly timed come-to-Jesus meeting.
Yeah mine was cut a few weeks before he was started, but didn't really give him any time for the testosterone to get out. He still acts like a stud to this day, he has to be pastured alone. He'll still mount mares, he goes over the fence to get to them, & he'll try to kill a gelding. But he's been a great riding horse for me & it's enough for me to tolerate his odd behaviors.
OP: Just give yours time, it may take another month or it may take 4 months. As long as I saw progress I'd keep at it, if he hits a plateau and doesn't change then reevaluate the situation, maybe try another trainer. I'd probably at least try a few things after awhile before I'd just totally give up and move on. I'll be the first to admit that there's horses I can't accomplish anything on, and others can excel on. Some horses don't get along with certain styles, so always take that into consideration. |
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Location: The Lone Star State | Update! OMG I just talked to the trainer. Well he was being a **** last week and They have quite the battle of wills going on. He said he definately is not sore he has an attitude so he had to get drastic with him. He said he had him going around good in the round pen and he was great until he put a rope on him and he cut in two. He was on another horse and he got to pulling and would not quit so he choked himself out. LIterally he said he passed out and when he got his breath he got up and took a deep breath and then then went back to work and he has not bucked since! THat was last week and he is now riding him every day, still in the round pen and always starting out snubbed to another horse so he cant get away from him. Once he is good he removes the other horse and he goes to work. He says he is not to the point where he is ready for outside yet and I dont blame him. He said he doesnt say "buck" lightly but he can buck. He said he gets a foot off the ground  He said the next few weeks will tell a lot. I am so glad I didnt try to break him myself. He said he definintaly wasnt the worst he has seen and he is smart just stubborn! I wish he would just give it up already so they can move forward. I feel like he is either gonna be in the bucking string at Mesquite rodeo or a champion going to vegas barrel racing! Can you say the outlaws usually make the best ones lol! (I hope)
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| Ticktock - 2017-11-09 4:28 PM
Update! OMG I just talked to the trainer. Well he was being a **** last week and They have quite the battle of wills going on. He said he definately is not sore he has an attitude so he had to get drastic with him. He said he had him going around good in the round pen and he was great until he put a rope on him and he cut in two. He was on another horse and he got to pulling and would not quit so he choked himself out. LIterally he said he passed out and when he got his breath he got up and took a deep breath and then then went back to work and he has not bucked since! THat was last week and he is now riding him every day, still in the round pen and always starting out snubbed to another horse so he cant get away from him. Once he is good he removes the other horse and he goes to work. He says he is not to the point where he is ready for outside yet and I dont blame him. He said he doesnt say "buck" lightly but he can buck. He said he gets a foot off the ground He said the next few weeks will tell a lot. I am so glad I didnt try to break him myself. He said he definintaly wasnt the worst he has seen and he is smart just stubborn! I wish he would just give it up already so they can move forward. I feel like he is either gonna be in the bucking string at Mesquite rodeo or a champion going to vegas barrel racing! Can you say the outlaws usually make the best ones lol! (I hope )
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Location: Claremore, OK | I hope your horse doesn’t become one of those stories that comes home starved, scarred, crippled, airway impaired from being choked, etc.
As some one who uses a rope quite a bit, I’ll say there’s never a need to choke out a horse. Never.
Abuse begins where knowledge ends.
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| Liana D - 2017-11-10 9:56 AM
I hope your horse doesn’t become one of those stories that comes home starved, scarred, crippled, airway impaired from being choked, etc.
As some one who uses a rope quite a bit, I’ll say there’s never a need to choke out a horse. Never.
Abuse begins where knowledge ends.
I am so glad that you chimed in. I have been thinking this very thing, but being as I am not a trainer, I didn't think my opinion would matter. It means a lot more when it comes from some one who trains for a living. Thank you for saying something. |
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| Ticktock - 2017-11-09 4:28 PM Update! OMG I just talked to the trainer. Well he was being a **** last week and They have quite the battle of wills going on. He said he definately is not sore he has an attitude so he had to get drastic with him. He said he had him going around good in the round pen and he was great until he put a rope on him and he cut in two. He was on another horse and he got to pulling and would not quit so he choked himself out. LIterally he said he passed out and when he got his breath he got up and took a deep breath and then then went back to work and he has not bucked since! THat was last week and he is now riding him every day, still in the round pen and always starting out snubbed to another horse so he cant get away from him. Once he is good he removes the other horse and he goes to work. He says he is not to the point where he is ready for outside yet and I dont blame him. He said he doesnt say "buck" lightly but he can buck. He said he gets a foot off the ground He said the next few weeks will tell a lot. I am so glad I didnt try to break him myself. He said he definintaly wasnt the worst he has seen and he is smart just stubborn! I wish he would just give it up already so they can move forward. I feel like he is either gonna be in the bucking string at Mesquite rodeo or a champion going to vegas barrel racing! Can you say the outlaws usually make the best ones lol! (I hope )
My guy removed the snub horse and let my filly buck herself out. Once she was done, she was done. She wasn't hurting anything but taking her energy out. He worked her in the round pen WITH the horse and made her work her tail off. Didn't take very long before she realized that super hard work wasn't worth it. I would have been terrified and hot that my horse passed out, I don't care what sort of attitude was thrown around. 1/2 a step further and you've got a dead horse. |
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Location: Claremore, OK | GLP - 2017-11-10 10:23 AM
Liana D - 2017-11-10 9:56 AM
I hope your horse doesn’t become one of those stories that comes home starved, scarred, crippled, airway impaired from being choked, etc.
As some one who uses a rope quite a bit, I’ll say there’s never a need to choke out a horse. Never.
Abuse begins where knowledge ends.
I am so glad that you chimed in. I have been thinking this very thing, but being as I am not a trainer, I didn't think my opinion would matter. It means a lot more when it comes from some one who trains for a living. Thank you for saying something.
I really try to keep my posts positive but in the end, I'm in it for the horse. The trainer using a pony horse is a pink flag to me. Choking the horse is a red flag.
A rope can be a great tool to help any age of horse. In the wrong hands it's a deadly weapon.
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Location: Up North in Minnesnowta. | Ticktock - 2017-11-09 4:28 PM Update! OMG I just talked to the trainer. Well he was being a **** last week and They have quite the battle of wills going on. He said he definately is not sore he has an attitude so he had to get drastic with him. He said he had him going around good in the round pen and he was great until he put a rope on him and he cut in two. He was on another horse and he got to pulling and would not quit so he choked himself out. LIterally he said he passed out and when he got his breath he got up and took a deep breath and then then went back to work and he has not bucked since! THat was last week and he is now riding him every day, still in the round pen and always starting out snubbed to another horse so he cant get away from him. Once he is good he removes the other horse and he goes to work. He says he is not to the point where he is ready for outside yet and I dont blame him. He said he doesnt say "buck" lightly but he can buck. He said he gets a foot off the ground He said the next few weeks will tell a lot. I am so glad I didnt try to break him myself. He said he definintaly wasnt the worst he has seen and he is smart just stubborn! I wish he would just give it up already so they can move forward. I feel like he is either gonna be in the bucking string at Mesquite rodeo or a champion going to vegas barrel racing! Can you say the outlaws usually make the best ones lol! (I hope ) I took this as the choking out was not intentional by the trainer. *I do not advocate choking out* just playing devil's advocate. We accidently choked out a wild weanling years ago. He did wake up a changed horse. I would never intentionally choke one out, though. I remember it being quite traumatic and scary. I hope your horse has turned a corner in his training/breaking.
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Location: Claremore, OK | MNBrlRacer - 2017-11-10 11:07 AM
Ticktock - 2017-11-09 4:28 PM Update! OMG I just talked to the trainer. Well he was being a **** last week and They have quite the battle of wills going on. He said he definately is not sore he has an attitude so he had to get drastic with him. He said he had him going around good in the round pen and he was great until he put a rope on him and he cut in two. He was on another horse and he got to pulling and would not quit so he choked himself out. LIterally he said he passed out and when he got his breath he got up and took a deep breath and then then went back to work and he has not bucked since! THat was last week and he is now riding him every day, still in the round pen and always starting out snubbed to another horse so he cant get away from him. Once he is good he removes the other horse and he goes to work. He says he is not to the point where he is ready for outside yet and I dont blame him. He said he doesnt say "buck" lightly but he can buck. He said he gets a foot off the ground He said the next few weeks will tell a lot. I am so glad I didnt try to break him myself. He said he definintaly wasnt the worst he has seen and he is smart just stubborn! I wish he would just give it up already so they can move forward. I feel like he is either gonna be in the bucking string at Mesquite rodeo or a champion going to vegas barrel racing! Can you say the outlaws usually make the best ones lol! (I hope )
I took this as the choking out was not intentional by the trainer. *I do not advocate choking out* just playing devil's advocate. We accidently choked out a wild weanling years ago. He did wake up a changed horse. I would never intentionally choke one out, though. I hope your horse has turned a corner in his training/breaking.
There are plenty of ways to get out of a horse choking himself, even if he's snubbed to another horse.
at the very least, he could've undallied and regrouped, I harm, no foul. He chose to either lose his temper and stay hooked or just didn't know what to do.
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Location: Up North in Minnesnowta. | Liana D - 2017-11-10 11:15 AM MNBrlRacer - 2017-11-10 11:07 AM Ticktock - 2017-11-09 4:28 PM Update! OMG I just talked to the trainer. Well he was being a **** last week and They have quite the battle of wills going on. He said he definately is not sore he has an attitude so he had to get drastic with him. He said he had him going around good in the round pen and he was great until he put a rope on him and he cut in two. He was on another horse and he got to pulling and would not quit so he choked himself out. LIterally he said he passed out and when he got his breath he got up and took a deep breath and then then went back to work and he has not bucked since! THat was last week and he is now riding him every day, still in the round pen and always starting out snubbed to another horse so he cant get away from him. Once he is good he removes the other horse and he goes to work. He says he is not to the point where he is ready for outside yet and I dont blame him. He said he doesnt say "buck" lightly but he can buck. He said he gets a foot off the ground He said the next few weeks will tell a lot. I am so glad I didnt try to break him myself. He said he definintaly wasnt the worst he has seen and he is smart just stubborn! I wish he would just give it up already so they can move forward. I feel like he is either gonna be in the bucking string at Mesquite rodeo or a champion going to vegas barrel racing! Can you say the outlaws usually make the best ones lol! (I hope ) I took this as the choking out was not intentional by the trainer. *I do not advocate choking out* just playing devil's advocate. We accidently choked out a wild weanling years ago. He did wake up a changed horse. I would never intentionally choke one out, though. I hope your horse has turned a corner in his training/breaking. There are plenty of ways to get out of a horse choking himself, even if he's snubbed to another horse. at the very least, he could've undallied and regrouped, I harm, no foul. He chose to either lose his temper and stay hooked or just didn't know what to do. That's why I said "abuse begins where knowledge ends"
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| MNBrlRacer - 2017-11-10 11:26 AM Liana D - 2017-11-10 11:15 AM MNBrlRacer - 2017-11-10 11:07 AM Ticktock - 2017-11-09 4:28 PM Update! OMG I just talked to the trainer. Well he was being a **** last week and They have quite the battle of wills going on. He said he definately is not sore he has an attitude so he had to get drastic with him. He said he had him going around good in the round pen and he was great until he put a rope on him and he cut in two. He was on another horse and he got to pulling and would not quit so he choked himself out. LIterally he said he passed out and when he got his breath he got up and took a deep breath and then then went back to work and he has not bucked since! THat was last week and he is now riding him every day, still in the round pen and always starting out snubbed to another horse so he cant get away from him. Once he is good he removes the other horse and he goes to work. He says he is not to the point where he is ready for outside yet and I dont blame him. He said he doesnt say "buck" lightly but he can buck. He said he gets a foot off the ground He said the next few weeks will tell a lot. I am so glad I didnt try to break him myself. He said he definintaly wasnt the worst he has seen and he is smart just stubborn! I wish he would just give it up already so they can move forward. I feel like he is either gonna be in the bucking string at Mesquite rodeo or a champion going to vegas barrel racing! Can you say the outlaws usually make the best ones lol! (I hope )
I took this as the choking out was not intentional by the trainer. *I do not advocate choking out* just playing devil's advocate. We accidently choked out a wild weanling years ago. He did wake up a changed horse. I would never intentionally choke one out, though. I hope your horse has turned a corner in his training/breaking. There are plenty of ways to get out of a horse choking himself, even if he's snubbed to another horse. at the very least, he could've undallied and regrouped, I harm, no foul. He chose to either lose his temper and stay hooked or just didn't know what to do. That's why I said "abuse begins where knowledge ends"
That was my thought?
My other was wow, what sort of horse was he dallied too that he could pull that hard and not pull him over?
I'm also naive as to what some trainers use to dally with I guess.
I've seen a horse almost choked out (mine in a freak trailer accident) and we cut the halter. That was a steel trailer he was hanging/pulling on. Can't imagine dangling from another horse. |
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Location: The Lone Star State | Dont worry yall, I trust this trainer. He will only do what is necessary. If he is good enough to send multiple barrel racing NFR qualifer's horses to him to be broke he is good enough for me. So lets get off the "abuse" train. I would rather him understand bucking is not acceptable from someone else than me. I would rather him get his ass kicked so he has some understanding of who is boss than him injure me later! I have spoken to a couple of people that have and have had own sons of Frenchmans Bogie and apparently they are all quite tough minded until you get them out of this(most do, some dont). Im keeping my fingers crossed. His next stop will be a working ranch if I can find one to ship him too. I will give him every opportunity to be a great horse but I wont put up with a bucking sucker either. His choice.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Liana D - 2017-11-10 8:56 AM I hope your horse doesn’t become one of those stories that comes home starved, scarred, crippled, airway impaired from being choked, etc. As some one who uses a rope quite a bit, I’ll say there’s never a need to choke out a horse. Never. Abuse begins where knowledge ends.
I agree. We rope to halter break and ours are unhandled 5 month old babies. I have never put enough pressure to ever choke one. Just teach them to give and release. Scares me some of the stories that involve roping them. But I do hope your horse comes around and makes a nice riding horse. |
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Location: Florida.. | sounds like hes breaking his spirit and abuse to me......and your convincing yourself just because hes s big time trainer that its ok....and it makes you feel better...........just my 2 cents..
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I may be the odd one but I could care less if a trainer is one that has started world class etc etc. I sent my show horse to be started by a guy that supposedly did a great job and did some for WPRA barrel racers. My horse came back not knowing anything but worse, he had a mystery cut the day I went to see him ride and bring him home. Looked like a knife cut from heel to heel and he was lame for 3 months. Found out later after his divorce that he cut his ex wife's horse's belly open. He was a fraud and a fake.
I worked with a guy in TX that is pretty well known in the cow horse world. Guy is a total a-hole and mean as a snake when no one is watching him school one that isn't born knowing "his style." I know of a race horse place that just loves him taking their off the track horses and restarting them. You couldn't pay me to send him a horse.
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Location: The Lone Star State | UPDATE 11/30! Trainer just sent video(tried to load but it wouldnt) He is loping around, circles, side passing, backing up nicely, roll backs and no bucking at all. Trainer said he is riding him outside and he is so much better. He said the bucking has stopped. He is not perfect by any means but sooo much improvement. He looks awesome and healthy. He said he is getting more confident as he goes along. I am so happy I wish the video would post. Considering how much of a turd he was for the first month+ I am very happy with the colt and this progress and with the trainer. Definitely no abuse there(for you abuse bandwaggoners) ;)
Keeping my fingers crossed for continued good reports. I am going to see him in a couple of weeks.
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Location: Up North in Minnesnowta. | Ticktock - 2017-11-30 3:24 PM UPDATE 11/30! Trainer just sent video(tried to load but it wouldnt) He is loping around, circles, side passing, backing up nicely, roll backs and no bucking at all. Trainer said he is riding him outside and he is so much better. He said the bucking has stopped. He is not perfect by any means but sooo much improvement. He looks awesome and healthy. He said he is getting more confident as he goes along. I am so happy I wish the video would post. Considering how much of a turd he was for the first month+ I am very happy with the colt and this progress and with the trainer. Definitely no abuse there(for you abuse bandwaggoners) ;) Keeping my fingers crossed for continued good reports. I am going to see him in a couple of weeks. :) :)
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Location: LaBelle, Florida | JLazyT_perf_horses - 2017-10-31 2:24 PM I broke my black horse out as a 7 year old, he had been a standing stud until then. Absolute A***H****, bucked me off almost weekly. He could buck with his head at his flank, he wasn't giving it up. I broke so many reins trying to pull his head around & he didn't care if he had to hurt himself, you were coming off. He bronced and fought me for 2 years until one day I had enough. We were in the sandy round pen bc the arena was muddy and he started bucking. I let him have the reins, grabbed my over under & just held on with one hand & whailed on him with that over under & dug my spurs in. I think my anger and adrenaline are the only things that kept me on that day. He made this awful growling noise & finally after about 20 laps around just stopped. Rode off fine and hasn't dared to buck since, almost 10 years later. The look in his eye changed that day, I wouldn't say I broke his "spirit" but I definitely broke that stud mentality. Now he'd do anything for me, he's step off a cliff if I asked him to. So sometimes the snottiest ones to break make the best horses I think. My 3 year old now loves attention so she's more than happy to do what you ask just because she's getting to spend time with you lol
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | kasaj2000 - 2017-11-30 4:41 PM
JLazyT_perf_horses - 2017-10-31 2:24 PM I broke my black horse out as a 7 year old, he had been a standing stud until then. Absolute A***H****, bucked me off almost weekly. He could buck with his head at his flank, he wasn't giving it up. I broke so many reins trying to pull his head around & he didn't care if he had to hurt himself, you were coming off. He bronced and fought me for 2 years until one day I had enough. We were in the sandy round pen bc the arena was muddy and he started bucking. I let him have the reins, grabbed my over under & just held on with one hand & whailed on him with that over under & dug my spurs in. I think my anger and adrenaline are the only things that kept me on that day. He made this awful growling noise & finally after about 20 laps around just stopped. Rode off fine and hasn't dared to buck since, almost 10 years later. The look in his eye changed that day, I wouldn't say I broke his "spirit" but I definitely broke that stud mentality. Now he'd do anything for me, he's step off a cliff if I asked him to. So sometimes the snottiest ones to break make the best horses I think. My 3 year old now loves attention so she's more than happy to do what you ask just because she's getting to spend time with you lol
I don't think you broke anything...you just proved you were bound and determined to be the Leader to this horse.
Yep, you did what he needed. We had a gelding we sold and she was scared of him and spoiled him. Got him back and he needed a "Come to Jesus" meeting. Not my area of expertise so I handed him over to my husband when the horse decided to rear and spin every time I tried to ride him away from the barn. My husband beat his a$$ with a split rein every time he pulled it and when the horse would start to head away he would let off, so the horse would rear and spin back to the barn so the husband would smack him over and over again until he spun and rode off. Only took about 10 minutes and he was a believer. Changed horse for the better and he was one we could have ridden off a cliff as well. He was a great horse until he broke his leg in a barn accident :( |
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Location: The Lone Star State | UPDATE 12/22! I just got the best news talked to the trainer again today to see what the game plan was and how he was doing. He said he is doing great been riding outside alot and no bucking. He said he hasnt tried since their "come to Jesus meeting" he said he felt like he was really talented. He is going to keep him 1 more month to really see how he handles different things and pressure situations like being introduced to ropes and cows etc. He said he rides in the pasture now like an old horse. Im going to get him at end of January.
Im excited to see how he progresses and hope he just continues to do better each ride. Im not gonna lie I will probably not completely trust him until hes like 10 lol but its good news. He looks great and is being well taken care of.
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Location: The Lone Star State | PROGRESS REPORT!!! I have a progress report for those interested. I picked my colt up saturday from the trainer. Met him up at Ardmore at a Big roping they were having to pick him up. THis is the colt that bucked with my trainer and they had the "come to Jesus" meeting if you remember. I was was very concerned to say the least. I left him with trainer for 3 months brought him home in January rode him almost every day for 3 weeks with 0 issues then the rains came in February so I was off of him for a month and half because it was still cold and im a big weenie lol. I decided for my own safety and sanity I would take him back for 1 more month. Best money I have EVER spent. My trainer told me he was no trouble. Said he had no issues, would haul him to roping practice to ride around etc. My final request was to see him being ridden and how he acted in an arena setting. Im so pleased this trainer did an amazing job and yes he had to discipline him when he tried to buck. and get this, trainer said if I ever want to sell to call him. He naturally rolled over his hocks and was so athletic he really grew on him.
Yesterday I took him to my friends arena, rode him all over and he was so fun!
I give you this update for people like me that just never or seldom hear the "back story"
THis colt is physically talented and beautiful so Im beginning to breathe a sigh of relief. I still wont let my guard down but was super excited to walk him through the pattern for the first time ever. its a good start! |
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Meanest Teacher!!!
Posts: 8552
Location: sunny california | so happy to hear such a great report. Hope you guys have a great summer. I just sent a tough one myself. Hope he comes back good too! |
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My Heart Be Happy
Posts: 9159
Location: Arkansas | I agree with the other two ladies, always great to hear updates with good news |
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Elite Veteran
Posts: 629
Location: Roping pen | I will probably get flamed for this, but those type get tied down around here. They learn to give in, and give up. Sometimes, it can get....rather interesting......
We had one mare that kicked, wouldn't stay tied up with out jumping over the fence-we couldn't get her to ever give up. Lots of chances and stories until she went bye bye with full disclosure. Was tied down 3 times and never did give in to pressure. Some just don't fit our styles.
Good luck! |
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Extreme Veteran
Posts: 433
Location: The Lone Star State | 3 months the first time then it rained for like a month then I sent him for 1 more month in April. Got him back last week. |
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Extreme Veteran
Posts: 433
Location: The Lone Star State | Took him to a big 2 day race this weekend. I have to admit I was going to be a big chicken about riding him around but put my big girl panties on and day 1 in the warm up pen was a little scary for us both but we just walked around so he could see all the horses going round and round. I felt better when some girl not paying attention loped right up on us. He got scared and kicked out but he was fine, baby stuff you expect.
Next day, same but he was better so we loped both directions and he was more relaxed. The only time he had an issue was when people rode right next to him or up on him. He just would tuck tail because he was unsure about it but in the end he was great. what a sense of accomplishment just to do that with him.
Its the littlest of victories! |
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