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Location: Kansas | I totally missed something somewhere. I thought the idea of Muslim women immigrating to the U.S. was to enjoy the freedoms American women do......but now we have Barbie dolls wearing scarves around their head and shoulders so the little girls from Islamic countries living here in the U.S. won't feel left out. So why did they come here?
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I totally missed something somewhere. I thought the idea of Muslim women immigrating to the U.S. was to enjoy the freedoms American women do......but now we have Barbie dolls wearing scarves around their head and shoulders so the little girls from Islamic countries living here in the U.S. won't feel left out. So why did they come here?
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Location: Kansas | Whiteboy - 2017-11-15 12:03 PM You don't want those innocent little girls to be happy? I doubt they chose to come here all on their own.
These families are supposed to assimilate to our way of life. Check out Dearborn Michigan where the Muslim population has taken over and even the architecture of new buildings is Middle Eastern. St. Paul has a little Somalia. They do not recognize our Constitution and believe Sharia law should be the law of the land in the U.S.
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| Frodo - 2017-11-15 12:27 PM
Whiteboy - 2017-11-15 12:03 PM You don't want those innocent little girls to be happy? I doubt they chose to come here all on their own.
These families are supposed to assimilate to our way of life. Check out Dearborn Michigan where the Muslim population has taken over and even the architecture of new buildings is Middle Eastern. St. Paul has a little Somalia. They do not recognize our Constitution and believe Sharia law should be the law of the land in the U.S.
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You don't want those innocent little girls to be happy? I doubt they chose to come here all on their own.
Weather they had a choice or not, someone made that decision for them, they are HERE now and we should not change our culture to make them feel more comfortable. If I moved to Saudi Arabia, I would NOT expect anyone to make any compromises for me either. |
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| FLITASTIC - 2017-11-15 12:38 PM
Whiteboy - 2017-11-15 10:03 AM
You don't want those innocent little girls to be happy? I doubt they chose to come here all on their own.
Weather they had a choice or not, someone made that decision for them, they are HERE now and we should not change our culture to make them feel more comfortable. If I moved to Saudi Arabia, I would NOT expect anyone to make any compromises for me either.
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Whiteboy - 2017-11-15 12:03 PM You don't want those innocent little girls to be happy? I doubt they chose to come here all on their own.
These families are supposed to assimilate to our way of life. Check out Dearborn Michigan where the Muslim population has taken over and even the architecture of new buildings is Middle Eastern. St. Paul has a little Somalia. They do not recognize our Constitution and believe Sharia law should be the law of the land in the U.S.
Could you please describe "our" way of life?
Sure, here is our way of life.....
Women can drive
Women can show their ankles, knees, and elbows outside their clothing
Some Americans eat pork
We have a constitution of the USA
We don't put people to death for homosexuality, Federal law now recognizes gay marriage
Women don't need to be accompanied by a man to be out in public
We vote
Just to name a few
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You don't want those innocent little girls to be happy? I doubt they chose to come here all on their own.
Weather they had a choice or not, someone made that decision for them, they are HERE now and we should not change our culture to make them feel more comfortable. If I moved to Saudi Arabia, I would NOT expect anyone to make any compromises for me either.
So you would be comfortable assimilating to the muslim religion if you moved to a muslim country?
ABSOLUTELY!!!! THats why I am never going to live in one. Even visiting I think we should respect the customs of those places we visit weather or not we live there or not permanently. If you choose to live in a Muslim country, you need to follow THEIR RULES, when you live here, you need to accept ours PERIOD. |
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Location: Kansas | Not to mention that female genital mutilation is on the rise in the U.S. Anybody who doesn't understand this practice needs to watch the movie Desert Flower. I had no idea....what is wrong with these people.
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Whiteboy - 2017-11-15 10:03 AM
You don't want those innocent little girls to be happy? I doubt they chose to come here all on their own.
Weather they had a choice or not, someone made that decision for them, they are HERE now and we should not change our culture to make them feel more comfortable. If I moved to Saudi Arabia, I would NOT expect anyone to make any compromises for me either.
So you would be comfortable assimilating to the muslim religion if you moved to a muslim country?
ABSOLUTELY!!!! THats why I am never going to live in one. Even visiting I think we should respect the customs of those places we visit weather or not we live there or not permanently. If you choose to live in a Muslim country, you need to follow THEIR RULES, when you live here, you need to accept ours PERIOD.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | FLITASTIC - 2017-11-15 12:47 PM Whiteboy - 2017-11-15 10:42 AM FLITASTIC - 2017-11-15 12:38 PM Whiteboy - 2017-11-15 10:03 AM You don't want those innocent little girls to be happy? I doubt they chose to come here all on their own. Weather they had a choice or not, someone made that decision for them, they are HERE now and we should not change our culture to make them feel more comfortable. If I moved to Saudi Arabia, I would NOT expect anyone to make any compromises for me either. So you would be comfortable assimilating to the muslim religion if you moved to a muslim country? ABSOLUTELY!!!! THats why I am never going to live in one. Even visiting I think we should respect the customs of those places we visit weather or not we live there or not permanently. If you choose to live in a Muslim country, you need to follow THEIR RULES, when you live here, you need to accept ours PERIOD.
Please explain where in our Constitution does it state that no one can wear a hijab? That is a symbol of their religion .... much like Jewish men who wear yamulkes, beards, etc; Catholic women, in the past, were required to wear a head covering ..... we are a nation of diversity..... That being said, regarding the new Barbie....why not? For many years, little African American girls had to play with the blue eyed Barbie until Mattel woke up..... |
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Location: Kansas | NJJ - 2017-11-15 12:54 PM FLITASTIC - 2017-11-15 12:47 PM Whiteboy - 2017-11-15 10:42 AM FLITASTIC - 2017-11-15 12:38 PM Whiteboy - 2017-11-15 10:03 AM You don't want those innocent little girls to be happy? I doubt they chose to come here all on their own. Weather they had a choice or not, someone made that decision for them, they are HERE now and we should not change our culture to make them feel more comfortable. If I moved to Saudi Arabia, I would NOT expect anyone to make any compromises for me either. So you would be comfortable assimilating to the muslim religion if you moved to a muslim country? ABSOLUTELY!!!! THats why I am never going to live in one. Even visiting I think we should respect the customs of those places we visit weather or not we live there or not permanently. If you choose to live in a Muslim country, you need to follow THEIR RULES, when you live here, you need to accept ours PERIOD.
It's a religion that believes we are infidels who should be destroyed. It's a religion whose beliefs are responsible for 3000 deaths of American citizens on September 11.
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I don't really care about dolls. Just don't expect me to change my ways.
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Now, being the devil's advocate, The United States has always been "a melting pot of different cultures" right?. Nonetheless, things lately have gotten so out of hand. The notion of ENTITLEMENT has taken over everything and everyone, so sad :( |
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I came to the States at the age of 18. I knew it was going to be a bit of cultural shock and it was going to take a while to adjust to my new home. Granted that I came here voluntarily and from Europe but still, I never tried to impose my culture to anyone. IMHO when you go to another country, you adjust and RESPECT the customs of such country (now at your own house you do whatever you want to of course).
Now, being the devil's advocate, The United States has always been "a melting pot of different cultures" right?. Nonetheless, things lately have gotten so out of hand. The notion of ENTITLEMENT has taken over everything and everyone, so sad :(
Very well put!!!
Entitlement drives me crazy.... why do I even work when I can go get my phone, education, medical care, etc for FREE.. Thats right, I have to work so others don't have to.
Which reminds me, there is a benefit coming up for a person who's horse had to have colic surgery .... can't afford the vet bill. Whole nother story.
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Location: Missouri | Nateracer - 2017-11-15 1:15 PM Some people probably think that Breyer shouldn't make Appaloosas either.
I don't really care about dolls. Just don't expect me to change my ways.
I'm undecided on if people making dolls or putting up mosques is infringing on my ways or not. No more than the Jehovah's or Mormans coming over for a propaganda visit.
Omg I just spit coffee. The Bryer comment cracked me up. Thanks for the chuckle as this is not going to be a light hearted thread.
Are the little girls of this culture (Muslim) allowed to play with Barbie? I have no clue what their cultural rules on this are. One would think as strict as they are that it would be Americanizing them, which they don't want.
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I would NEVER would buy the new doll, to me it's just another jab to my country and my culture.
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | love2ridepre - 2017-11-15 2:30 PM I came to the States at the age of 18. I knew it was going to be a bit of cultural shock and it was going to take a while to adjust to my new home. Granted that I came here voluntarily and from Europe but still, I never tried to impose my culture to anyone. IMHO when you go to another country, you adjust and RESPECT the customs of such country (now at your own house you do whatever you want to of course). Now, being the devil's advocate, The United States has always been "a melting pot of different cultures" right?. Nonetheless, things lately have gotten so out of hand. The notion of ENTITLEMENT has taken over everything and everyone, so sad :( it has always been a melting pot of cultural backgrounds that assimilated into American Cultural norms
we had a lot less problems before we had Hyphenated Americans.
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| Barbie's wearing hijabs do not effect me personally and I wouldn't purchase one. With that said, aside from showing their business supports diversity, I cannot imagine these Barbie's will sell at the same magnitude as others. So in that sense, I don't think it is the smartest decision.
There is a lot of hatred for the muslim religion and I believe people are sensitive to it due to some of the accommodations demanded by those who believe that way. That is frustrating I think for some of us. I also believe there are a lot of misunderstandings with that religion. For example, "radical muslims" who use their religion as an excuse to commit acts of violence.
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Location: Kansas | One miserably hot day last July I was at Texas Roadhouse and watched a Muslim woman dressed in a long dark robe of some sort with a brocade scarf around her head, neck and shoulders getting out of the car. Her husband was dressed in a tank top, shorts and sandals as were the kids. Convince me she was comfortable or that any of us born in the U.S would put up with this. It wasn't her choice. It was her husbands that she dressed like a monk on a 105 degree day. Somewhere under all that garb may have been a lovely figure.
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One miserably hot day last July I was at Texas Roadhouse and watched a Muslim woman dressed in a long dark robe of some sort with a brocade scarf around her head, neck and shoulders getting out of the car. Her husband was dressed in a tank top, shorts and sandals as were the kids. Convince me she was comfortable or that any of us born in the U.S would put up with this. It wasn't her choice. It was her husbands that she dressed like a monk on a 105 degree day. Somewhere under all that garb may have been a lovely figure.
So you think she is forced, against her will, into this religion? I'm really confused as to the point you are trying to make with this tread. |
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But every wife who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, since it is the same as if her head were shaven. For if a wife will not cover her head, then she should cut her hair short. But since it is disgraceful for a wife to cut off her hair or shave her head, let her cover her head. For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God, but woman is the glory of man. For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. ...
There is alot of things in our Christian Bible that we do not as a society adhere to anymore. But back in the day apparently women were supposed to cover their heads. There are other verses about dressing modestly as well.
Don't read anything into this as me sympathizing with the Muslim Religion. My opinion is if they want to dress that way they can. Nobody is gonna tell me how to dress. |
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Location: Kansas | Whiteboy - 2017-11-15 2:32 PM Frodo - 2017-11-15 2:24 PM One miserably hot day last July I was at Texas Roadhouse and watched a Muslim woman dressed in a long dark robe of some sort with a brocade scarf around her head, neck and shoulders getting out of the car. Her husband was dressed in a tank top, shorts and sandals as were the kids. Convince me she was comfortable or that any of us born in the U.S would put up with this. It wasn't her choice. It was her husbands that she dressed like a monk on a 105 degree day. Somewhere under all that garb may have been a lovely figure.
So you think she is forced, against her will, into this religion? I'm really confused as to the point you are trying to make with this tread.
This has nothing to do with her religion. It has to do with the repression of her rights as a female human being.
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Whiteboy - 2017-11-15 2:32 PM Frodo - 2017-11-15 2:24 PM One miserably hot day last July I was at Texas Roadhouse and watched a Muslim woman dressed in a long dark robe of some sort with a brocade scarf around her head, neck and shoulders getting out of the car. Her husband was dressed in a tank top, shorts and sandals as were the kids. Convince me she was comfortable or that any of us born in the U.S would put up with this. It wasn't her choice. It was her husbands that she dressed like a monk on a 105 degree day. Somewhere under all that garb may have been a lovely figure.
So you think she is forced, against her will, into this religion? I'm really confused as to the point you are trying to make with this tread.
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Location: Kansas | Whiteboy - 2017-11-15 3:07 PM PS...I'm mostly just harrassing you because I'm procrastinating today. I really dont care one way or the other.
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Location: Windoming | Frodo - 2017-11-15 2:03 PM Whiteboy - 2017-11-15 2:32 PM Frodo - 2017-11-15 2:24 PM One miserably hot day last July I was at Texas Roadhouse and watched a Muslim woman dressed in a long dark robe of some sort with a brocade scarf around her head, neck and shoulders getting out of the car. Her husband was dressed in a tank top, shorts and sandals as were the kids. Convince me she was comfortable or that any of us born in the U.S would put up with this. It wasn't her choice. It was her husbands that she dressed like a monk on a 105 degree day. Somewhere under all that garb may have been a lovely figure.
So you think she is forced, against her will, into this religion? I'm really confused as to the point you are trying to make with this tread.
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Frodo - 2017-11-15 2:03 PM Whiteboy - 2017-11-15 2:32 PM Frodo - 2017-11-15 2:24 PM One miserably hot day last July I was at Texas Roadhouse and watched a Muslim woman dressed in a long dark robe of some sort with a brocade scarf around her head, neck and shoulders getting out of the car. Her husband was dressed in a tank top, shorts and sandals as were the kids. Convince me she was comfortable or that any of us born in the U.S would put up with this. It wasn't her choice. It was her husbands that she dressed like a monk on a 105 degree day. Somewhere under all that garb may have been a lovely figure.
So you think she is forced, against her will, into this religion? I'm really confused as to the point you are trying to make with this tread.
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Frodo - 2017-11-15 2:03 PM Whiteboy - 2017-11-15 2:32 PM Frodo - 2017-11-15 2:24 PM One miserably hot day last July I was at Texas Roadhouse and watched a Muslim woman dressed in a long dark robe of some sort with a brocade scarf around her head, neck and shoulders getting out of the car. Her husband was dressed in a tank top, shorts and sandals as were the kids. Convince me she was comfortable or that any of us born in the U.S would put up with this. It wasn't her choice. It was her husbands that she dressed like a monk on a 105 degree day. Somewhere under all that garb may have been a lovely figure.
So you think she is forced, against her will, into this religion? I'm really confused as to the point you are trying to make with this tread.
Some people are into some real kinky stuff. Who am I to judge.
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Frodo - 2017-11-15 2:03 PM Whiteboy - 2017-11-15 2:32 PM Frodo - 2017-11-15 2:24 PM One miserably hot day last July I was at Texas Roadhouse and watched a Muslim woman dressed in a long dark robe of some sort with a brocade scarf around her head, neck and shoulders getting out of the car. Her husband was dressed in a tank top, shorts and sandals as were the kids. Convince me she was comfortable or that any of us born in the U.S would put up with this. It wasn't her choice. It was her husbands that she dressed like a monk on a 105 degree day. Somewhere under all that garb may have been a lovely figure.
So you think she is forced, against her will, into this religion? I'm really confused as to the point you are trying to make with this tread.
Some people are into some real kinky stuff. Who am I to judge.
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| 1DSoon - 2017-11-15 11:54 AM
love2ridepre - 2017-11-15 2:30 PM I came to the States at the age of 18. I knew it was going to be a bit of cultural shock and it was going to take a while to adjust to my new home. Granted that I came here voluntarily and from Europe but still, I never tried to impose my culture to anyone. IMHO when you go to another country, you adjust and RESPECT the customs of such country (now at your own house you do whatever you want to of course). Now, being the devil's advocate, The United States has always been "a melting pot of different cultures" right?. Nonetheless, things lately have gotten so out of hand. The notion of ENTITLEMENT has taken over everything and everyone, so sad :( it has always been a melting pot of cultural backgrounds that assimilated into American Cultural norms
we had a lot less problems before we had Hyphenated Americans.
Agreed. Why can't we all just be "Americans" that are proud of our diverse heritage yet are happy (and truly blessed) to be in this great country? Realize that our neighbors may be different and have different customs than we do, but welcome them with open arms and befriend them nonetheless? Don't try to change things that were in place before we came here that offered everyone the same freedoms.
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Whiteboy - 2017-11-15 3:07 PM PS...I'm mostly just harrassing you because I'm procrastinating today. I really dont care one way or the other.
Ah, admit it, you just got outsmarted.
LOL! I just snorted and I too am procrastinating. Why can't they or their moms make a hijab? We used to make almost all of our doll's clothes. How else could Barbie have a REAL cowgirl outfit to wear to the rodeo where she would out-rope and out-ride all of the boys? |
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Frodo - 2017-11-15 2:03 PM Whiteboy - 2017-11-15 2:32 PM Frodo - 2017-11-15 2:24 PM One miserably hot day last July I was at Texas Roadhouse and watched a Muslim woman dressed in a long dark robe of some sort with a brocade scarf around her head, neck and shoulders getting out of the car. Her husband was dressed in a tank top, shorts and sandals as were the kids. Convince me she was comfortable or that any of us born in the U.S would put up with this. It wasn't her choice. It was her husbands that she dressed like a monk on a 105 degree day. Somewhere under all that garb may have been a lovely figure.
So you think she is forced, against her will, into this religion? I'm really confused as to the point you are trying to make with this tread.
Some people are into some real kinky stuff. Who am I to judge.
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Frodo - 2017-11-15 2:03 PM Whiteboy - 2017-11-15 2:32 PM Frodo - 2017-11-15 2:24 PM One miserably hot day last July I was at Texas Roadhouse and watched a Muslim woman dressed in a long dark robe of some sort with a brocade scarf around her head, neck and shoulders getting out of the car. Her husband was dressed in a tank top, shorts and sandals as were the kids. Convince me she was comfortable or that any of us born in the U.S would put up with this. It wasn't her choice. It was her husbands that she dressed like a monk on a 105 degree day. Somewhere under all that garb may have been a lovely figure.
So you think she is forced, against her will, into this religion? I'm really confused as to the point you are trying to make with this tread.
Some people are into some real kinky stuff. Who am I to judge.
Whiteboy - I need to meet you in real life!!!!
Your knowledge blows me away and your sense of humor kills me!!!
I don't think abuse is funny
Have you ever spoken to a Muslim female? I haven't to a ton but have a few and they do it because it's what they believe in. It's similar to some not have sex before marriage or praying every night before bed. It's a part of their belief system and culture. My sister does hair for and she has spoken to many and it's important to them.
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| Frodo - 2017-11-15 11:26 AM
I totally missed something somewhere. I thought the idea of Muslim women immigrating to the U.S. was to enjoy the freedoms American women do......but now we have Barbie dolls wearing scarves around their head and shoulders so the little girls from Islamic countries living here in the U.S. won't feel left out. So why did they come here?
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You don't want those innocent little girls to be happy? I doubt they chose to come here all on their own.
Weather they had a choice or not, someone made that decision for them, they are HERE now and we should not change our culture to make them feel more comfortable. If I moved to Saudi Arabia, I would NOT expect anyone to make any compromises for me either.
So you would be comfortable assimilating to the muslim religion if you moved to a muslim country?
My great aunts husband was in the oil industry. They moved to Saudi Arabia for 10 years. No, they didn’t convert to Islam/Muslim. But my aunt did have to wear a hijab, couldn’t go out without a man with her and she was forced to assimilate to their culture by their society over there.
As for Barbie wearing a hijab...I personally think this was a huge Marketing Fail on Mattel’s part. I’m sure no hard core Muslim family is going to be pleased when someone in the house comes across a naked Barbie in all her big boob glory. If they were trying to break into a new market...they are going to have to glue the clothes onto Barbie so they can’t come off. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | stayceem - 2017-11-15 9:07 PM 1DSoon - 2017-11-15 4:55 PM stayceem - 2017-11-15 4:45 PM Whiteboy - 2017-11-15 3:35 PM Silly Filly - 2017-11-15 3:27 PM Frodo - 2017-11-15 2:03 PM Whiteboy - 2017-11-15 2:32 PM Frodo - 2017-11-15 2:24 PM One miserably hot day last July I was at Texas Roadhouse and watched a Muslim woman dressed in a long dark robe of some sort with a brocade scarf around her head, neck and shoulders getting out of the car. Her husband was dressed in a tank top, shorts and sandals as were the kids. Convince me she was comfortable or that any of us born in the U.S would put up with this. It wasn't her choice. It was her husbands that she dressed like a monk on a 105 degree day. Somewhere under all that garb may have been a lovely figure.
So you think she is forced, against her will, into this religion? I'm really confused as to the point you are trying to make with this tread. Some people are into some real kinky stuff. Who am I to judge. Whiteboy - I need to meet you in real life!!!! Your knowledge blows me away and your sense of humor kills me!!! I don't think abuse is funny Have you ever spoken to a Muslim female? I haven't to a ton but have a few and they do it because it's what they believe in. It's similar to some not have sex before marriage or praying every night before bed. It's a part of their belief system and culture. My sister does hair for and she has spoken to many and it's important to them. I'm sure there are some forced into it just as their is domestic violence in Christian relationships.
how do you know I'm not a Muslim Female?
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Location: Kansas | Anybody who thinks there's anything good about being a Muslim woman, I dare you to watch the movie Desert Flower, the true story of Waris Dirie, a Somalian woman. It will horrify you and put a whole new light on what young Muslim women can be subjected to. I didn't know about FGM but now I do now and it defies comprehension.
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | I obviously do not understand and could never comprehend the muslim religion/culture. With that being said there are plenty of christian doctrines I don't get and don't want to get. Plenty of them still believe in love, honor and OBEY. Lots and lots of christian women and even agnostic women are subjugated to their hustands. First dude that tries to tell me what to do is history!!
As far as Barbie is concerned who cares what she wears whether it is a robe and scarf or a sombrero or a bikini. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | SC Wrangler - 2017-11-16 10:30 AM I obviously do not understand and could never comprehend the muslim religion/culture. With that being said there are plenty of christian doctrines I don't get and don't want to get. Plenty of them still believe in love, honor and OBEY. Lots and lots of christian women and even agnostic women are subjugated to their hustands. First dude that tries to tell me what to do is history!!
As far as Barbie is concerned who cares what she wears whether it is a robe and scarf or a sombrero or a bikini.
WHO cares? Those who will take EVERY opportunity to try to stir up more divisiveness in this country...... Those who will take EVERY opportunity to hate on the Muslims ...... Those who will take EVERY opportunity to try to prove that this country should NOT be inclusive of other races, religions or person's rights. |
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| I don't care if they are making barbie with a hijab. I won't buy one for my grandkids and if I was a parent of young girls, I wouldn't buy one, either. I don't care if people buy them or don't. They do what they think is right and I will do what I think is right. I know I have friends that will probably buy one and we will still be friends because it is not my business what they buy their kids/grandkids.
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| NJJ - 2017-11-16 10:43 AM SC Wrangler - 2017-11-16 10:30 AM I obviously do not understand and could never comprehend the muslim religion/culture. With that being said there are plenty of christian doctrines I don't get and don't want to get. Plenty of them still believe in love, honor and OBEY. Lots and lots of christian women and even agnostic women are subjugated to their hustands. First dude that tries to tell me what to do is history!!
As far as Barbie is concerned who cares what she wears whether it is a robe and scarf or a sombrero or a bikini. WHO cares? Those who will take EVERY opportunity to try to stir up more divisiveness in this country...... Those who will take EVERY opportunity to hate on the Muslims ...... Those who will take EVERY opportunity to try to prove that this country should NOT be inclusive of other races, religions or person's rights.
Anyone taking bets on if the kids automatically take off all the clothes and cut the hair on the doll anyways?
I think that's what was meant by who cares. I certainly don't care. If someone is offended by a doll (which I'd say Frodo certainly is) then we've missed the point of free America anyways. People can do what they want here. If a women subjects herself to following a religion that allows that sort of thing, well, it's none of our business. There are those who've broken free. It takes heart, guts, and willpower. That's what America was made on to begin with. If you don't take steps to free yourself from your own torture, you've locked yourself up.
And don't go on about Muslims in other countries being tortured and mutilated. They aren't here in Free America. I get some can't help themselves, but again, not America's concern. We've got our own problems to face. |
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| 1DSoon - 2017-11-16 6:38 AM
stayceem - 2017-11-15 9:07 PM 1DSoon - 2017-11-15 4:55 PM stayceem - 2017-11-15 4:45 PM Whiteboy - 2017-11-15 3:35 PM Silly Filly - 2017-11-15 3:27 PM Frodo - 2017-11-15 2:03 PM Whiteboy - 2017-11-15 2:32 PM Frodo - 2017-11-15 2:24 PM One miserably hot day last July I was at Texas Roadhouse and watched a Muslim woman dressed in a long dark robe of some sort with a brocade scarf around her head, neck and shoulders getting out of the car. Her husband was dressed in a tank top, shorts and sandals as were the kids. Convince me she was comfortable or that any of us born in the U.S would put up with this. It wasn't her choice. It was her husbands that she dressed like a monk on a 105 degree day. Somewhere under all that garb may have been a lovely figure.
So you think she is forced, against her will, into this religion? I'm really confused as to the point you are trying to make with this tread. Some people are into some real kinky stuff. Who am I to judge. Whiteboy - I need to meet you in real life!!!! Your knowledge blows me away and your sense of humor kills me!!! I don't think abuse is funny Have you ever spoken to a Muslim female? I haven't to a ton but have a few and they do it because it's what they believe in. It's similar to some not have sex before marriage or praying every night before bed. It's a part of their belief system and culture. My sister does hair for and she has spoken to many and it's important to them. I'm sure there are some forced into it just as their is domestic violence in Christian relationships.
I don't. And if you were I invite you to shed some light on this.
I am not arguing in favor of the Muslim religion as I don't love most of their beliefs. However, it is their belief and many wear them as part of their culture and belief |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Nateracer - 2017-11-16 11:01 AM NJJ - 2017-11-16 10:43 AM SC Wrangler - 2017-11-16 10:30 AM I obviously do not understand and could never comprehend the muslim religion/culture. With that being said there are plenty of christian doctrines I don't get and don't want to get. Plenty of them still believe in love, honor and OBEY. Lots and lots of christian women and even agnostic women are subjugated to their hustands. First dude that tries to tell me what to do is history!!
As far as Barbie is concerned who cares what she wears whether it is a robe and scarf or a sombrero or a bikini. WHO cares? Those who will take EVERY opportunity to try to stir up more divisiveness in this country...... Those who will take EVERY opportunity to hate on the Muslims ...... Those who will take EVERY opportunity to try to prove that this country should NOT be inclusive of other races, religions or person's rights.
I think that's what was meant by who cares. I certainly don't care. If someone is offended by a doll (which I'd say Frodo certainly is) then we've missed the point of free America anyways. People can do what they want here. If a women subjects herself to following a religion that allows that sort of thing, well, it's none of our business. There are those who've broken free. It takes heart, guts, and willpower. That's what America was made on to begin with. If you don't take steps to free yourself from your own torture, you've locked yourself up.
And don't go on about Muslims in other countries being tortured and mutilated. They aren't here in Free America. I get some can't help themselves, but again, not America's concern. We've got our own problems to face.
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Location: N Texas | Frodo - 2017-11-15 2:24 PM
One miserably hot day last July I was at Texas Roadhouse and watched a Muslim woman dressed in a long dark robe of some sort with a brocade scarf around her head, neck and shoulders getting out of the car. Her husband was dressed in a tank top, shorts and sandals as were the kids. Convince me she was comfortable or that any of us born in the U.S would put up with this. It wasn't her choice. It was her husbands that she dressed like a monk on a 105 degree day. Somewhere under all that garb may have been a lovely figure.
Did you ask her if she was being forced? You're making a lot of assumptions. Being raised in a certain religion/culture your whole life, some things become so ingrained that it is extremely difficult to change. For all you know, she may LIKE wearing that, it might make her feel proud. Or maybe she just thinks that's what she's supposed to wear because she has worn it her whole life and she's not comfortable in "regular" clothes.
On 100 degree days, I'll still wear my boots and jeans while everyone else is wearing shorts and flip flops. It's personal preference, no one is forcing me. So unless you verified with her personally WHY she was wearing it, you truly don't know her reason. |
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Location: N Texas | Whiteboy - 2017-11-15 2:32 PM
Frodo - 2017-11-15 2:24 PM
One miserably hot day last July I was at Texas Roadhouse and watched a Muslim woman dressed in a long dark robe of some sort with a brocade scarf around her head, neck and shoulders getting out of the car. Her husband was dressed in a tank top, shorts and sandals as were the kids. Convince me she was comfortable or that any of us born in the U.S would put up with this. It wasn't her choice. It was her husbands that she dressed like a monk on a 105 degree day. Somewhere under all that garb may have been a lovely figure.
So you think she is forced, against her will, into this religion? I'm really confused as to the point you are trying to make with this tread.
She wants to be validated that her discrimination and intolerance is ok. |
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Location: Kansas | It is not about the dolls. You totally missed the point. I give up.
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| Frodo - 2017-11-16 11:28 AM It is not about the dolls. You totally missed the point. I give up.
I re-read your first post.
I think that sometimes people come here to leave the dangerous place they lived. Not to truly be free (as in married prior to move), but to be safe(r). If they don't see a problem with their religion, who are we to tell them they have to play with white dolls?
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Location: N Texas | Frodo - 2017-11-16 11:28 AM
It is not about the dolls. You totally missed the point. I give up.
I get your point. People are welcome to come to America as long as they talk, look, dress, and act like "us". Last time I checked, white English-speaking Christians aren't indigenous to America. Not everyone who comes here does so because they are oppressed or abused.
Have you read the story about the woman the doll is inspired by? Definitely an awesome role model for little girls. |
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| FLITASTIC - 2017-11-15 12:38 PM
Whiteboy - 2017-11-15 10:03 AM
You don't want those innocent little girls to be happy? I doubt they chose to come here all on their own.
Weather they had a choice or not, someone made that decision for them, they are HERE now and we should not change our culture to make them feel more comfortable. If I moved to Saudi Arabia, I would NOT expect anyone to make any compromises for me either.
I agree, Flit, and as my dad who worked over there for years off and on, they expect you to fit in with them. No changing on their part to make you feel comfortable and at home, in fact, quite the opposite. Dad got thrown in jail for being in an auto accident in Tripoli one time. I think he only spent a few hours in jail, but it was his fault BECAUSE HE WAS AN AMERICAN. In truth, the other guy hit him but it didn't matter to them. And this was back when they were not so hostile as they are now. |
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Location: N Texas | Frodo - 2017-11-15 1:09 PM
NJJ - 2017-11-15 12:54 PM FLITASTIC - 2017-11-15 12:47 PM Whiteboy - 2017-11-15 10:42 AM FLITASTIC - 2017-11-15 12:38 PM Whiteboy - 2017-11-15 10:03 AM You don't want those innocent little girls to be happy? I doubt they chose to come here all on their own. Weather they had a choice or not, someone made that decision for them, they are HERE now and we should not change our culture to make them feel more comfortable. If I moved to Saudi Arabia, I would NOT expect anyone to make any compromises for me either. So you would be comfortable assimilating to the muslim religion if you moved to a muslim country? ABSOLUTELY!!!! THats why I am never going to live in one. Even visiting I think we should respect the customs of those places we visit weather or not we live there or not permanently. If you choose to live in a Muslim country, you need to follow THEIR RULES, when you live here, you need to accept ours PERIOD.
And Hitler was a white guy who thought all Jews should be eradicated. They are what you call extremists, not the norm. |
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Location: Kansas | Gunner11 - 2017-11-16 12:08 PM Frodo - 2017-11-16 11:28 AM It is not about the dolls. You totally missed the point. I give up.
I get your point. People are welcome to come to America as long as they talk, look, dress, and act like "us". Last time I checked, white English-speaking Christians aren't indigenous to America. Not everyone who comes here does so because they are oppressed or abused. Have you read the story about the woman the doll is inspired by? Definitely an awesome role model for little girls.
The point you missed is that this was about "defending" Muslim women. Remember my defense twice of Waris Dirie. You took the liberal stance........it's a fulltime job, I know.
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Location: N Texas | Frodo - 2017-11-16 12:14 PM
Gunner11 - 2017-11-16 12:08 PM Frodo - 2017-11-16 11:28 AM It is not about the dolls. You totally missed the point. I give up.
I get your point. People are welcome to come to America as long as they talk, look, dress, and act like "us". Last time I checked, white English-speaking Christians aren't indigenous to America. Not everyone who comes here does so because they are oppressed or abused. Have you read the story about the woman the doll is inspired by? Definitely an awesome role model for little girls.
There you go with your assumptions again. I vote Republican but have no problem with the new Barbie. I tend to be more towards the middle because there are things with each side that I despise, as all as things with each side that I agree with. I'm not all-or-nothing :) |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Frodo - 2017-11-16 12:14 PM Gunner11 - 2017-11-16 12:08 PM Frodo - 2017-11-16 11:28 AM It is not about the dolls. You totally missed the point. I give up.
I get your point. People are welcome to come to America as long as they talk, look, dress, and act like "us". Last time I checked, white English-speaking Christians aren't indigenous to America. Not everyone who comes here does so because they are oppressed or abused. Have you read the story about the woman the doll is inspired by? Definitely an awesome role model for little girls.
There you go again........when you can't defend your statements ..... just start calling others "the liberals" ....... typical !!!! I think most of us got your point .... you don't like or want ANY Muslims in YOUR country! YOU have made that very clear! |
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Location: Texas | Are barbies only sold in the US? Asking because I really don't know.
But, theres nothing wrong with wearing a hijab if someone wants to. I don't see why its hurting anyone for a muslim girl to get a Barbie she can relate to. Like others have said, no ones forcing anyone to buy it. And no ones making all the other barbies wear them either LOL.
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | NJJ - 2017-11-16 11:22 AM Nateracer - 2017-11-16 11:01 AM NJJ - 2017-11-16 10:43 AM SC Wrangler - 2017-11-16 10:30 AM I obviously do not understand and could never comprehend the muslim religion/culture. With that being said there are plenty of christian doctrines I don't get and don't want to get. Plenty of them still believe in love, honor and OBEY. Lots and lots of christian women and even agnostic women are subjugated to their hustands. First dude that tries to tell me what to do is history!!
As far as Barbie is concerned who cares what she wears whether it is a robe and scarf or a sombrero or a bikini. WHO cares? Those who will take EVERY opportunity to try to stir up more divisiveness in this country...... Those who will take EVERY opportunity to hate on the Muslims ...... Those who will take EVERY opportunity to try to prove that this country should NOT be inclusive of other races, religions or person's rights.
I think that's what was meant by who cares. I certainly don't care. If someone is offended by a doll (which I'd say Frodo certainly is) then we've missed the point of free America anyways. People can do what they want here. If a women subjects herself to following a religion that allows that sort of thing, well, it's none of our business. There are those who've broken free. It takes heart, guts, and willpower. That's what America was made on to begin with. If you don't take steps to free yourself from your own torture, you've locked yourself up.
And don't go on about Muslims in other countries being tortured and mutilated. They aren't here in Free America. I get some can't help themselves, but again, not America's concern. We've got our own problems to face.
Heck if you don't like them not only don't buy them, don't look at them. Just avoid the toy aisles in Walmart - they are full of scary little rugrats running around like ants which is way scarier than what is on the shelves. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Settle down everybody. We've been here before in this country, in a certain sense. In WWII, following the unprovoked attack on Pearl Harbor, which took the lives of about 3000 Americans, FDR issued an executive order which sent tens of thousands fellow citizens to what were essentially concentration camps, surrounded by barbed wire and armed guards, in some of the most hostile places in the country.
Their homes and businesses had to be abandoned, many of which were never recovered. They were shipped to hell holes in deserts on trucks and trains like cattle, not unlike the way Jews were shipped to Treblinka and Aushwitz.
Why? Simply because they had slanted eyes. That's all.
Meanwhile, many of those slanted eyed families still sent their sons off to war. They were placed in segregated, slanted-eyed soldier units. Many died serving a country that imprisoned their families back home. The most decorated unit in Europe was a regiment of all slanted-eyed soldiers. You seldom hear about this, and many younger people are absolutely oblivious to this chapter in our history.
What we are witnessing today with Muslims and Hijabs is yet another similar painful episode that illustrates a harsh reality about inherent human nature....prejudice and bigotry. I honestly understand this and I'm not without my own prejudices. I'm half Lebanese and was raised in a home where my grandfather was Muslim and my grandmother was Christian Lebanese. I was surrounded by fantastic people who were Arabs and many were Muslim. The first mosque in North America was built over 100 years ago not far from where I was raised. My grandpa was an extremely patriotic, grateful, proud American who served on the battlefields of France during WWII, and he raised two sons who served in WWII and Korea. I never ever ever witnessed the kind of anti-American hate we see coming from a small minority of Muslim Americans. I think it's a disturbing trend, but at the same time, let's not paint with a broad brush and repeat the same mistakes we've made in the past. Vigilance, fighting terrorists, and extreme vetting are all good.
Fretting over Barbie dolls wearing a costume that represents a people we don't know or understand will just make it worse. The good news is those women are free to rip those Hijabs off, if they so desire.....some even have. |
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| casualdust07 - 2017-11-16 3:45 PM
Are barbies only sold in the US? Asking because I really don't know.
But, theres nothing wrong with wearing a hijab if someone wants to. I don't see why its hurting anyone for a muslim girl to get a Barbie she can relate to. Like others have said, no ones forcing anyone to buy it. And no ones making all the other barbies wear them either LOL.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Until relatively recently, I think it was widely accepted that immigrants to this country needed to assimilate into our society.
In other words, accept certain cultural norms, and speak English.
My family name was "Zahara", which I think is a cool sounding name, actually. It means "flower" in Arabic. My great grandfather changed the name to something more "Americanized", so Zahara became "Harris". When I was a little boy I asked my grandpa why they changed the name, and he said, "It's just a name.....it doesn't change who you are, and the important thing is that America is my country, not Lebanon." True story.
At the heart of all of this lies what I consider to be the root cause of the disappearance of that attitude my grandfather displayed....."American exceptionalism". I believe that expression has been lost. That American Exceptionalism used to be sacrosanct, but not so much in recent years. It has slowly drifted away. Back in the 60's and 70's, when people immigrated to the USA, they became proud Americans. Many changed their names. They all learned English and they learned it very quickly. It wasn't because they were forced to adapt, rather, it was because they hungered to adapt and become a part of something exceptional. They were all uniformly proud American patriots. They studied for their American Citizenship exam, and most cried tears of joy when they passed and became US citizens. I remember....I saw it. I was there when they would come over to the house and my grandparents would tutor them. They were given American flags when they became citizens back then. I remember when I was over at Abdu Hajizi's house not long after he became a citizen. On his dresser was his Koran, a Holy Bible, and his flag. They held on to customs from the "Old Country", and were thankful that they were free to do so. He learned English so fast it was incredible. Abdu was in his 40's, and everyone in town loved his infectious laugh and sunny smile. He was a shopkeeper in Lebanon, but here he just worked for a contractor doing manual labor. Nobody, and I mean nobody, could outwork this man. He smiled the whole time while doing it too. That was back during the Vietnam war. He tried to enlist in the Army, but failed to pass his physical. He was very disappointed, I remember.
My reason for sharing these vignettes was to illustrate how American Exceptionalism was so important back then, and seems to have disappeared.
That's why people come here and fail to assimilate the way they used to assimilate. It's evolved to the point where it seems to be a badge of honor to refuse to assimilate. That's why I had to use an interpreter by video conferencing to evaluate a sick Micronesian woman a few days ago. She's lived here for 8 years and couldn't speak a word of English.
That's why things like Barbie Dolls wearing a Hijab have sucked the air out of the room.
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