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I just saw the Facebook post where they are offering 25 contracts for FG frozen semen- no ICSI procedure!
This was posted Thursday. I requested a contract but of course am on the wait list. Here's to hoping that everyone backs out! Lol
I just bought an own daughter of FDD out of a daughter of Special Effort. I would love to have a FG foal out of her.
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| Not to be a debbie downer, and hopefully I don't get attacked for this, but I'm wary about breeding to him now or any young sons as theres been some chatter about clones being used in his place since no one would be the wiser  same dna but better conception rates...idk just what I've heard lol! |
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| cheeka77 - 2017-11-15 11:22 PM
Not to be a debbie downer, and hopefully I don't get attacked for this, but I'm wary about breeding to him now or any young sons as theres been some chatter about clones being used in his place since no one would be the wiser same dna but better conception rates...idk just what I've heard lol!
do you really think the Myers’ would risk their reputation and FG’s legacy in that way?? I don’t |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | rodeolife - 2017-11-16 12:32 AM cheeka77 - 2017-11-15 11:22 PM Not to be a debbie downer, and hopefully I don't get attacked for this, but I'm wary about breeding to him now or any young sons as theres been some chatter about clones being used in his place since no one would be the wiser same dna but better conception rates...idk just what I've heard lol! do you really think the Myers’ would risk their reputation and FG’s legacy in that way?? I don’t
I am not saying they would do that, because I happen to like their program. But, if someone did, no matter who or what stallion - there is basically no way to know. |
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rodeolife - 2017-11-16 12:32 AM cheeka77 - 2017-11-15 11:22 PM Not to be a debbie downer, and hopefully I don't get attacked for this, but I'm wary about breeding to him now or any young sons as theres been some chatter about clones being used in his place since no one would be the wiser same dna but better conception rates...idk just what I've heard lol! do you really think the Myers’ would risk their reputation and FG’s legacy in that way?? I don’t
if they did it and “FG” suddenly started throwing a bunch of duds (because who knows what the clones would produce) there goes his reputation as one of the greats |
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Location: Deep South | rodeolife - 2017-11-16 7:46 AM
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rodeolife - 2017-11-16 12:32 AM cheeka77 - 2017-11-15 11:22 PM Not to be a debbie downer, and hopefully I don't get attacked for this, but I'm wary about breeding to him now or any young sons as theres been some chatter about clones being used in his place since no one would be the wiser same dna but better conception rates...idk just what I've heard lol! do you really think the Myers’ would risk their reputation and FG’s legacy in that way?? I don’t
if they did it and “FG” suddenly started throwing a bunch of duds (because who knows what the clones would produce ) there goes his reputation as one of the greats
Every great stallion throws a bunch of duds every year. Really only need to sire one nice horse every couple of years to keep the buzz going once you're established. The quality of mares he attracts and the hands they are put into, it's almost impossible not to have one "make it." |
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Location: Wherever the Army sends my husband | cheeka77 - 2017-11-15 11:22 PM
Not to be a debbie downer, and hopefully I don't get attacked for this, but I'm wary about breeding to him now or any young sons as theres been some chatter about clones being used in his place since no one would be the wiser same dna but better conception rates...idk just what I've heard lol!
Rumor or not, I worked at a breeding facility that froze semen. I won't name names but there was a top sire that was cloned. (That part wasn't a secret ) but we trained all of his clones to collect on the phantom. You can't tell me they spent that money for nothing.
I won't breed to anything with a clone or a son that was sired after the clones hit the ground.
Side note* I want to stress it was not the Meyers or even a barrel sire.
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Location: Illinois | KD Running Horses - 2017-11-16 9:16 AM
cheeka77 - 2017-11-15 11:22 PM
Not to be a debbie downer, and hopefully I don't get attacked for this, but I'm wary about breeding to him now or any young sons as theres been some chatter about clones being used in his place since no one would be the wiser same dna but better conception rates...idk just what I've heard lol!
Rumor or not, I worked at a breeding facility that froze semen. I won't name names but there was a top sire that was cloned. (That part wasn't a secret ) but we trained all of his clones to collect on the phantom. You can't tell me they spent that money for nothing.
I won't breed to anything with a clone or a son that was sired after the clones hit the ground.
Side note* I want to stress it was not the Meyers or even a barrel sire.
They're going to spend the money to collect the clones because most places do stand their clones for stud at cheaper rates. There are a lot of people who do breed to clones I think, but not ones who are breeding for the purposes you and I might. I think a lot of more average middle road mares get bred to them and they hope they get something that's decent that they can just enjoy. With the money it takes to clone one no one is just going to let it sit as a pasture ornament, they were created to breed. They thought it would be a huge new industry and big money maker and now they're all mostly just trying to recoup some of their loss on it. Idk maybe others have a different opinion on the cloning industry than I do, we don't hear much about it in IL, but it seems like the hype of it has died down and no one really jumped on that wagon from the consumer standpoint. I'd be surprised if they would do that with FG. As for those 25 contracts I bet they were sold within a second of announcing it. There were probably already 25 people on a list in case they ever did it. It's exciting for a lot of people. If my mare were older and proven I'd kill to breed her but she's just 3 and by the time I breed her we'll have a whole new arsenal of stallions out there to pick from. |
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| I just know some vets were suspicious (not just FG) because older studs were having high motility when sperm was checked that had clones on the ground and didn't before.... |
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Location: SW North Dakota | Not to take away from the drama, but what is ICSI?
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| ND3canAddict - 2017-11-17 6:12 PM
Not to take away from the drama, but what is ICSI?
(Obviously, I'd rather buy them than breed them! haha)
Intracytoplasmic Sperm Injection.
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| There where some.other well advertised on her stallions with horrible motility. You don't see many babies of this stallion for sale either. After he did not get my mare covered I contracted with fairly local stallion and first shipment covers same.mare. stallion owners don't post motility. |
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Location: Mountains of VA | Does any one know or have a good guess as to the last year that FG sired a foal? Not a clone of FG. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | hotpaints - 2017-11-21 6:03 PM Does any one know or have a good guess as to the last year that FG sired a foal? Not a clone of FG.
I don't believe he is totally infertile or maybe just is. Isn't 2018 the first yr for ICSI? |
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| I know they required outside contracts to be ICSI for the 2017 breeding season. I'm not sure about before then.
Update- I got a contract for frozen. I'm going for it! Hope she takes... |
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Location: Wyoming | hotpaints - 2017-11-21 6:03 PM
Does any one know or have a good guess as to the last year that FG sired a foal? Not a clone of FG.
I do believe last year. I think the ICSI process is to save the fresh or frozen straws for themselves and to save the straws of what they have of his. I haven't heard that he is infertile. |
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| I recently saw a weanling advertised of his. He isn't infertile- but just as with any horse, semen quality can be an issue with an aging stallion.
ICSI process requires MUCH less semen, meaning that the semen the Myers currently have on hand can stretch much further compared to typical frozen/fresh AI. |
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| hotpaints - 2017-11-21 7:03 PM
Does any one know or have a good guess as to the last year that FG sired a foal? Not a clone of FG.
We had a filly born this year (2017) through the use of cooled semen used in 2016. If that is what you are asking?
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Location: Mountains of VA | WrapN3MN - 2017-11-22 11:32 AM hotpaints - 2017-11-21 7:03 PM Does any one know or have a good guess as to the last year that FG sired a foal? Not a clone of FG. We had a filly born this year (2017 ) through the use of cooled semen used in 2016. If that is what you are asking?
Was the semen from FG or one of the clones? I thought FG himself was no longer fertile, hence the use of FG clones for breeding. |
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WrapN3MN - 2017-11-22 11:32 AM hotpaints - 2017-11-21 7:03 PM Does any one know or have a good guess as to the last year that FG sired a foal? Not a clone of FG. We had a filly born this year (2017 ) through the use of cooled semen used in 2016. If that is what you are asking?
Not sure where you got that information, but it is untrue. |
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| hotpaints - 2017-11-22 1:48 PM
WrapN3MN - 2017-11-22 11:32 AM hotpaints - 2017-11-21 7:03 PM Does any one know or have a good guess as to the last year that FG sired a foal? Not a clone of FG. We had a filly born this year (2017 ) through the use of cooled semen used in 2016. If that is what you are asking?
This is why Facebook (Social Media) makes us all stupider...we accept uninformed opinions as fact and then repeat them as fact.
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Location: Mountains of VA | WrapN3MN - 2017-11-22 1:49 PM hotpaints - 2017-11-22 1:48 PM WrapN3MN - 2017-11-22 11:32 AM hotpaints - 2017-11-21 7:03 PM Does any one know or have a good guess as to the last year that FG sired a foal? Not a clone of FG. We had a filly born this year (2017 ) through the use of cooled semen used in 2016. If that is what you are asking? Not sure where you got that information, but it is untrue.
From a forum on BHW........I think it was last year. Good to know that the FG daughters are really sired by FG. Thanks! |
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Location: Arizona | cheeka77 - 2017-11-15 10:22 PM
Not to be a debbie downer, and hopefully I don't get attacked for this, but I'm wary about breeding to him now or any young sons as theres been some chatter about clones being used in his place since no one would be the wiser same dna but better conception rates...idk just what I've heard lol!
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| LIVE2RUN - 2017-11-22 12:19 PM
cheeka77 - 2017-11-15 10:22 PM
Not to be a debbie downer, and hopefully I don't get attacked for this, but I'm wary about breeding to him now or any young sons as theres been some chatter about clones being used in his place since no one would be the wiser same dna but better conception rates...idk just what I've heard lol!
I totally agree!!!!!
My husband and I were talking about this yesterday. We both decided it would be fraud and false advertising, if you think you're breeding to the stud that's been cloned, and you end up getting semen from the clone. However, genetically speaking, you still would be getting the exact same genes no matter if the semen came from the sire himself or a clone.
This is where we tend to digress- if you're breeding to a stud for his genes, then it shouldn't matter if it's the clone or the sire himself. Nature vs nurture plays a huge part in the temperament, disposition, work ethic, etc. of horses, and even though that's something that technically isn't passed on "genetically", I would still rather breed to the sire himself that has been through it all and made the name for himself, versus the clone that hasn't proven anything and could be a dud.
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cheeka77 - 2017-11-15 10:22 PM
Not to be a debbie downer, and hopefully I don't get attacked for this, but I'm wary about breeding to him now or any young sons as theres been some chatter about clones being used in his place since no one would be the wiser same dna but better conception rates...idk just what I've heard lol!
I totally agree!!!!!
My mare took 6 breedings before she settled......not sure I'd call that a good conception rate LOL. 
Not saying he doesn't have good conception rates. Just my experience with it. |
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| WrapN3MN - 2017-11-22 3:31 PM
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cheeka77 - 2017-11-15 10:22 PM
Not to be a debbie downer, and hopefully I don't get attacked for this, but I'm wary about breeding to him now or any young sons as theres been some chatter about clones being used in his place since no one would be the wiser same dna but better conception rates...idk just what I've heard lol!
I totally agree!!!!!
My mare took 6 breedings before she settled......not sure I'd call that a good conception rate LOL.
Not saying he doesn't have good conception rates. Just my experience with it.
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cheeka77 - 2017-11-15 10:22 PM
Not to be a debbie downer, and hopefully I don't get attacked for this, but I'm wary about breeding to him now or any young sons as theres been some chatter about clones being used in his place since no one would be the wiser same dna but better conception rates...idk just what I've heard lol!
I totally agree!!!!!
My mare took 6 breedings before she settled......not sure I'd call that a good conception rate LOL.
Not saying he doesn't have good conception rates. Just my experience with it.
do you remember his motility #'s?
PM'd you. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | WrapN3MN - 2017-11-22 5:14 PM
Whiteboy - 2017-11-22 3:35 PM
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cheeka77 - 2017-11-15 10:22 PM
Not to be a debbie downer, and hopefully I don't get attacked for this, but I'm wary about breeding to him now or any young sons as theres been some chatter about clones being used in his place since no one would be the wiser same dna but better conception rates...idk just what I've heard lol!
I totally agree!!!!!
My mare took 6 breedings before she settled......not sure I'd call that a good conception rate LOL.
Not saying he doesn't have good conception rates. Just my experience with it.
do you remember his motility #'s?
PM'd you.
so you can only talk sort of bad about him in public, then you go private?
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| Changing the subject a little, but I thought the AQHA would only register foals from a dead stallion for 2 years following his passing. Is this true? |
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Changing the subject a little, but I thought the AQHA would only register foals from a dead stallion for 2 years following his passing. Is this true?
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| 1DSoon - 2017-11-22 5:33 PM
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cheeka77 - 2017-11-15 10:22 PM
Not to be a debbie downer, and hopefully I don't get attacked for this, but I'm wary about breeding to him now or any young sons as theres been some chatter about clones being used in his place since no one would be the wiser same dna but better conception rates...idk just what I've heard lol!
I totally agree!!!!!
My mare took 6 breedings before she settled......not sure I'd call that a good conception rate LOL.
Not saying he doesn't have good conception rates. Just my experience with it.
do you remember his motility #'s?
PM'd you.
so you can only talk sort of bad about him in public, then you go private?
If that’s what you consider “bad talking” him, then sure?? I PM’d because I shared personal information on my mare - so get over yourself.
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2017-11-23 2:46 PM
permanent vacation - 2017-11-23 12:17 PM
Changing the subject a little, but I thought the AQHA would only register foals from a dead stallion for 2 years following his passing. Is this true?
starting on foals born 2016 or later.
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Frenchmans Guy frozen semen!