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This is a new to racing person Vs Bob Baffert's training facility. The difference may surprise you. ETA Baffert's barn shown is his track rental at Santa Anita, not his personal facility.
https://www.facebook.com/GrahamBensinger/videos/1686356084710180/?hc_ref=ARTJZXVVbcg0avFyfcrYua7IbxmsvJOF_6FIBYpxPEksaeVhMkdScoDzV35klu6oDv4
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Location: Central Texas | Very interesting! Thanks for sharing. The Bode Miller approach must be better for the horses |
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| Marfan - 2017-11-27 8:53 AM Very interesting! Thanks for sharing. The Bode Miller approach must be better for the horses
I def feel it is better for them mentally. |
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Location: WI | Wonder what Bode's win record is. Bob's sure is impressive. |
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | I love that he doesn't just send them down the road if they don't respond right away. I like the guy. Looks like his heart is in the right place. He definitely knows how an athlete's body works. |
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Location: on the fine line between insanity and geniusness | This guy might be my new hero. He puts the horse first! They aren’t treated like machines! |
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Location: Somewhere around here | I think I found my new sugar daddy lol  All jokes aside that's so great of him doing it his way! I'm sure we'll be hearing more about him and his horses in the future! |
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Location: Mountains of VA | Why would Bode be giving Bob such bad publicity? I realize it is a competitive/cut throat industry, but why all the negative against Bob?
I agree, there is a huge difference in the programs/barns and I do like Bode's much better.
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Location: California | Super interesting! Good watch and I love the new take on how horse racing stables could be. |
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Location: Texas | And to think, Baffert named his kid after Bode Miller!! Oops, he may not be happy about being dissed by a newcomer! |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | First of all, I had no freaking idea that being an ex-olympic skier paid that well, lol. Bode has some serious cash in his training center, not to mention the cost of upkeep, employees, etc. That said, I do think his method is much better for the horses, but you can't recreate that facility if you stable at the racetrack and there is a huge advantage to being stabled and training at the track you will compete at. Then you have the simple fact that Baffert has owners who will buy him hundreds of the very best yearlings every single year simply because of his reputation. Most won't win back the purchase price, much less training and vet bills, but he will still get great horses because he will find a handfull that will be very successfull and keep his name in the spotlight.
?I wonder what Bode Millers day rate is? I bet Bafferts is anywhere from $100 to $150 a day. |
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Location: Louisiana | I didn't take his words as a dis at Bob...it was more of an informative/comparative piece of the industry overall.
They could've picked nearly any racing barn to compare to and it would be similar environment as Bob's.
They chose Bob's to show that they weren't comparing to some backyard racehorse "trainer" with no $$$ invested.
I took the whole vid as Bode making an attempt to move the industry in a new direction and hopefully carry a few others with him. He's a newcomer who instead of bashing the industry (that sometimes has questionable standards), he is coming in with a fresh perspective and trying to revamp it.
We all know every animal industry is up for ridicule by an ever-growing population of ppl who don't "get it". What he's doing could really change the perspective of the industry to a more positive one if more trainers get on board.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Barnmom - 2017-11-27 8:32 PM First of all, I had no freaking idea that being an ex-olympic skier paid that well, lol. Bode has some serious cash in his training center, not to mention the cost of upkeep, employees, etc. That said, I do think his method is much better for the horses, but you can't recreate that facility if you stable at the racetrack and there is a huge advantage to being stabled and training at the track you will compete at. Then you have the simple fact that Baffert has owners who will buy him hundreds of the very best yearlings every single year simply because of his reputation. Most won't win back the purchase price, much less training and vet bills, but he will still get great horses because he will find a handfull that will be very successfull and keep his name in the spotlight.
?I wonder what Bode Millers day rate is? I bet Bafferts is anywhere from $100 to $150 a day.
Most have to be pretty well off to even get to the Olympics. Pure talent doesn't usually get you there anymore. There are people that want paid well-nutritionists, personal trainers etc etc and you can't really train that much if you have a 9-5 job... |
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Location: Arkansas | wyoming barrel racer - 2017-11-29 12:43 PM
Barnmom - 2017-11-27 8:32 PM First of all, I had no freaking idea that being an ex-olympic skier paid that well, lol. Bode has some serious cash in his training center, not to mention the cost of upkeep, employees, etc. That said, I do think his method is much better for the horses, but you can't recreate that facility if you stable at the racetrack and there is a huge advantage to being stabled and training at the track you will compete at. Then you have the simple fact that Baffert has owners who will buy him hundreds of the very best yearlings every single year simply because of his reputation. Most won't win back the purchase price, much less training and vet bills, but he will still get great horses because he will find a handfull that will be very successfull and keep his name in the spotlight.
?I wonder what Bode Millers day rate is? I bet Bafferts is anywhere from $100 to $150 a day.
Most have to be pretty well off to even get to the Olympics. Pure talent doesn't usually get you there anymore. There are people that want paid well-nutritionists, personal trainers etc etc and you can't really train that much if you have a 9-5 job...
I've learned a lot from this thread. I wondered what had happened to Bode after his ski career. It's great to see him use the high tech things he had available to him as a gifted Olympic athlete for the benefit of these lucky horses. I love that someone is trying to make their lives better and bring equine events into a better light. (I got something in the mail today condemning rodeo, specifically bronc riding---made me want to just holler. . . . I KNOW the difference in what a rodeo is vs what they portray in that letter, but what about those people who have never been to a rodeo or seen the riders/contractors that love their horses?? But I digress. . . . ) There's no arguing with Mr Baffert's success, but kudos to Bode for his desire for change. |
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Location: North of where I want to be | He may not have come from the most humble beginnings, but he was not necessarily born with a silver spoon.
He is VERY savvy & very smart. He also is well invested.
Every thing he does with the horses is carry over from what he did as an athelete....makes sense to me. |
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Location: Kansas | Didn't watch it all but I wasn't comfortable with watching a horse laboring on a treadmill. Very unnatural surface.
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Do you think the trends of conditioning a horse on unnatural surfaces have any negative effects? I have been pondering this my self for quite some time.
I see lots of horses taken to get fitted in water treadmills and alternatives like that, Lots before big events so they are ready to role, Now don't get me wrong I think they are great tools. But I wonder about them not being conditioned on the ground (or like ground) they will run on, are they truly fit for their event if they spent weeks swimming and water treadmills.
Just something I have been pondering, seems you can't be successful if you don't use those places in some peoples mind around here.. and well,,,, I'm to horse pour for that LOL I do love to ride my horse in water, make them really collect and drive from behind is a great workout.. IDK I ponder a lot of stupid pointless stuff some days. |
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Not directly related per say but ....
Do you think the trends of conditioning a horse on unnatural surfaces have any negative effects? I have been pondering this my self for quite some time.
I see lots of horses taken to get fitted in water treadmills and alternatives like that, Lots before big events so they are ready to role, Now don't get me wrong I think they are great tools. But I wonder about them not being conditioned on the ground (or like ground) they will run on, are they truly fit for their event if they spent weeks swimming and water treadmills.
Just something I have been pondering, seems you can't be successful if you don't use those places in some peoples mind around here.. and well,,,, I'm to horse pour for that LOL I do love to ride my horse in water, make them really collect and drive from behind is a great workout.. IDK I ponder a lot of stupid pointless stuff some days.
Cross training is good for any athlete, whether it be equine or human. Swimming is a great form of conditioning, and can help tone muscles that are out of shape. With swimming, you aren't getting the concussion from hooves or feet striking the ground, but you're still working muscles, and usually in a shorter amount of time. A lot of people use swimming as a form of PT or rehab, for that reason.
I was always told "you have to be an athlete to ride an athlete", so if people have the means available, I don't see how it could hurt to keep your horse in tip-top shape. You can bet a lot of those ropers, bulldoggers, etc. are all hitting the gym and staying in shape for the NFR, just like their horses.
A lot of people don't have the means (whether it be monetarily, no facilities nearby, etc), and they are still successful. I think knowing what works best for you and your horse, and focusing on that is the key.
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Location: Windoming | I was wondering what happens if a horse is galloping on the treadmill and stumbles? I know what happens to people! |
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| I've had first hand experience in the racing industry and I think that Bode's approach is a step in the right direction. It's a mental game for the horses, and their living conditions aren't natural whatsoever, it's no surprise that many of them turn into monsters. Now the treadmills and chamber might not be realistic, but his exercise program, turnout, etc. is something more trainers should try and do. Will be interesting to see how his horses do in the future. |
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Check out the difference in these two separate racing stables. WOW