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| I knew it wasn’t a mistake as soon as she turned 3rd barrel. She had been clocking fast and blowing off 3rd barrel. As soon as she smoked that 3rd I thought she might break the 12 second barrier. She just might do it this week. |
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Location: the end of the rainbow | FLITASTIC - 2017-12-09 9:32 PM
I knew it wasn’t a mistake as soon as she turned 3rd barrel. She had been clocking fast and blowing off 3rd barrel. As soon as she smoked that 3rd I thought she might break the 12 second barrier. She just might do it this week.
When I was watching replays this morning I was thinking if that mare started turning the third as hard as she does one & two that she was going to break the arena record. She's amazing. |
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Location: Arkansas | FLITASTIC - 2017-12-09 11:32 PM
I knew it wasn’t a mistake as soon as she turned 3rd barrel. She had been clocking fast and blowing off 3rd barrel. As soon as she smoked that 3rd I thought she might break the 12 second barrier. She just might do it this week.
I was about to stand up in my recliner!! And first thing I thought was maybe a sub 12 this year??? All those ladies and their ponies are amazing |
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Location: Willows, CA | Picture perfect run. I don't know about breaking into 12 this week, but that was amazing. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | winwillows - 2017-12-10 12:18 AM Picture perfect run. I don't know about breaking into 12 this week, but that was amazing.
If John Jamison has anything to do with it he's going to get that ground as right as he can so those amazing teams can flirt with breaking the 12 barrier.
I'm so happy for them all to be on safe ground!
Really happy to see Sister and Hailey doing so well on their first NFR trip. The Lord above put icewater in that gal's veins. |
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| Hailey turned the NFR into a 3D race! And who would have ever thought a 13.68 would not draw a check! Wow! |
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| winwillows - 2017-12-09 10:18 PM
Picture perfect run. I don't know about breaking into 12 this week, but that was amazing.
If she is only a 1/10th away I say she breaks 12 seconds! If it was 3-4/10ths maybe not. But yea she put some of the other horses into the 3D. Lol |
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Location: where ever my L/Q trl is parked | just would like to point out;
although it's exciting and so absolutely fantastic that the Ground is so much better than in past years.
Round 2- the young lady (I don't remember names) and her great gray horse, Smash/Sister? something or another blasted to the first barrel, horse slipped starting her turn, fell down, amazing rider stayed on and finished the pattern with a nice qualified time.
I have to also say the horses and ladies are running some great patterns and posting good times. |
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| Aqhaczy - 2017-12-10 11:45 AM
just would like to point out;
although it's exciting and so absolutely fantastic that the Ground is so much better than in past years.
Round 2- the young lady (I don't remember names) and her great gray horse, Smash/Sister? something or another blasted to the first barrel, horse slipped starting her turn, fell down, amazing rider stayed on and finished the pattern with a nice qualified time.
I have to also say the horses and ladies are running some great patterns and posting good times.
I've noticed several slipping in each round as well. Not all were very bad or anything. But it's not just the last horses either, its in the first 5-6. |
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| Lynn mays posted the pattern sizes on FB since 2008. Each year has been a slightly different pattern size. So truely not a real arena record but an awesome team and certainly the fastest that’s ever run there. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | There was another record broke last night. The shortest time that a new arena record lasted. Kassie held the T&M record.....for about 5 minutes. Then someone comes in and shatters that by over 2 tenths of a second. That had to be a little deflating. |
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| Bear - 2017-12-10 11:15 AM
There was another record broke last night. The shortest time that a new arena record lasted. Kassie held the T&M record.....for about 5 minutes. Then someone comes in and shatters that by over 2 tenths of a second. That had to be a little deflating.
Sadly, more like 20 seconds later.... that had to be the whole gamut of emotions for Kassie. I think Hailey was right after her.
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| It's fun to say "arena record" but it is not really an arena record at the nfr. More of the fastest run for that year over 10 rounds. Each year the pattern measured is slightly different. For example in 2008 and 2013 the distance between barrel one and two is bigger and smaller by a few inches. Also the score line in 2008 was almost 2 feet longer. I have a post of the pattern measurements from 2008, 2013, 2014, 2015 and 2017. Here is my link to my post. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10213116598301925&id=160... Arena record or not there has been some awesome horses and riding this week!
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Location: North Dakota | My husband, who had nothing to do with horses before we were together, watched that run at least 10 times in a row, even going frame by frame to see how she managed to set that record lol. I think he's starting to get hooked. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I am guessing that even if that pattern was smaller by a few inches or even a couple feet, she still would have shattered the arena record. |
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| Syndi Blanchard posted that the pattern is the same and attributes the smokin times to better dirt. |
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| WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-12-10 2:55 PM It's fun to say "arena record" but it is not really an arena record at the nfr. More of the fastest run for that year over 10 rounds. Each year the pattern measured is slightly different. For example in 2008 and 2013 the distance between barrel one and two is bigger and smaller by a few inches. Also the score line in 2008 was almost 2 feet longer. I have a post of the pattern measurements from 2008, 2013, 2014, 2015 and 2017. Here is my link to my post. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10213116598301925&id...1603170018 Arena record or not there has been some awesome horses and riding this week!
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-12-10 2:55 PM It's fun to say "arena record" but it is not really an arena record at the nfr. More of the fastest run for that year over 10 rounds. Each year the pattern measured is slightly different. For example in 2008 and 2013 the distance between barrel one and two is bigger and smaller by a few inches. Also the score line in 2008 was almost 2 feet longer. I have a post of the pattern measurements from 2008, 2013, 2014, 2015 and 2017. Here is my link to my post. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10213116598301925&id... Arena record or not there has been some awesome horses and riding this week!
Either way you look at it, Hailey and Sister still broke the arena record and set a new one to be broken in the furture |
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Location: Arkansas | Southtxponygirl - 2017-12-10 7:43 PM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-12-10 2:55 PM It's fun to say "arena record" but it is not really an arena record at the nfr. More of the fastest run for that year over 10 rounds. Each year the pattern measured is slightly different. For example in 2008 and 2013 the distance between barrel one and two is bigger and smaller by a few inches. Also the score line in 2008 was almost 2 feet longer. I have a post of the pattern measurements from 2008, 2013, 2014, 2015 and 2017. Here is my link to my post. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10213116598301925&id=160... Arena record or not there has been some awesome horses and riding this week!
I agree Miss Roxie. Cause I bet whatever anyone calls it, Hailey is glad to be the one that did it! |
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| Chandler's Mom - 2017-12-10 8:00 PM Southtxponygirl - 2017-12-10 7:43 PM WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-12-10 2:55 PM It's fun to say "arena record" but it is not really an arena record at the nfr. More of the fastest run for that year over 10 rounds. Each year the pattern measured is slightly different. For example in 2008 and 2013 the distance between barrel one and two is bigger and smaller by a few inches. Also the score line in 2008 was almost 2 feet longer. I have a post of the pattern measurements from 2008, 2013, 2014, 2015 and 2017. Here is my link to my post. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10213116598301925&id=160... Arena record or not there has been some awesome horses and riding this week! I agree Miss Roxie. Cause I bet whatever anyone calls it, Hailey is glad to be the one that did it!
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| rodeomom3 - 2017-12-10 7:38 PM WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-12-10 2:55 PM It's fun to say "arena record" but it is not really an arena record at the nfr. More of the fastest run for that year over 10 rounds. Each year the pattern measured is slightly different. For example in 2008 and 2013 the distance between barrel one and two is bigger and smaller by a few inches. Also the score line in 2008 was almost 2 feet longer. I have a post of the pattern measurements from 2008, 2013, 2014, 2015 and 2017. Here is my link to my post. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10213116598301925&id=1603170018 Arena record or not there has been some awesome horses and riding this week!
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Location: where ever my L/Q trl is parked | I wanted to add something
I had recorded the runs last night... I only took the ones that had clean runs; 7 riders, since sometime when you hit a barrel you don't try as hard to finish fast. I stopped each run on the back side of each barrel post the times. Now this wasn't a government or scientific precise measurements. barrel 1 barrel 2 barrel 3
Hailey 1.4 5.1 9.0 13.11 Amberlynn 2.0 5.2 9.0 13.57
Nelli 1.7 5.3 9.3 13.66
Lisa L 1.7 6.1 9.3 13.67
Taci 2.0 5.7 9.0 13.68
Stevie H 1.8 5.2 9.5 13.84
Tiany 2.2 6.0 9.5 14.20
Either you clock good between barrels or make up time or lose time around the barrels.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-12-10 8:19 PM
Chandler's Mom - 2017-12-10 8:00 PM Southtxponygirl - 2017-12-10 7:43 PM WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-12-10 2:55 PM It's fun to say "arena record" but it is not really an arena record at the nfr. More of the fastest run for that year over 10 rounds. Each year the pattern measured is slightly different. For example in 2008 and 2013 the distance between barrel one and two is bigger and smaller by a few inches. Also the score line in 2008 was almost 2 feet longer. I have a post of the pattern measurements from 2008, 2013, 2014, 2015 and 2017. Here is my link to my post. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10213116598301925&id=160... Arena record or not there has been some awesome horses and riding this week! I agree Miss Roxie. Cause I bet whatever anyone calls it, Hailey is glad to be the one that did it! no one is not saying Hailey and sister weren't phenomenal.. Because they were but technically it's not an arena record this year or any year. If this topic was about the wpra standard pattern everyone would be asking if it was measured and confirmed. It is fun to think there is an arena record but in all reality it's not a legitimate statement. No other professional sport would even call that a record unless it was consistent with other years. The ground is obviously not in the factor because it has luckily improved over the years and it is hauled in from year to year but the fact that the pattern can't remain the same is puzzling...
That is not true. Today's major sports are all different in varying ways, compared to many years ago. In baseball, for example, the height of the mound was lowered 6" back around 1970. That gave hitters a bigger advantage and pitching statistics were negatively affected. Bats are lighter, for a given length and barrel size. Hitters seldom wore batting gloves years ago. Spikes are lighter. Infields are better manicured. All these changes gave advantages to today's players, when compared to players from the past. The records to be broken remain the same. The statistics do not have asterisks behind them, except to designate when the season was only 154 games, versus today's 162.
It doesn't really matter though, because she shattered that record by such an incredible margin, nobody doubts that she has made the fastest run ever in the T&M. |
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| Bear - 2017-12-10 10:16 PM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-12-10 8:19 PM
Chandler's Mom - 2017-12-10 8:00 PM Southtxponygirl - 2017-12-10 7:43 PM WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-12-10 2:55 PM It's fun to say "arena record" but it is not really an arena record at the nfr. More of the fastest run for that year over 10 rounds. Each year the pattern measured is slightly different. For example in 2008 and 2013 the distance between barrel one and two is bigger and smaller by a few inches. Also the score line in 2008 was almost 2 feet longer. I have a post of the pattern measurements from 2008, 2013, 2014, 2015 and 2017. Here is my link to my post. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10213116598301925&id=160... Arena record or not there has been some awesome horses and riding this week! I agree Miss Roxie. Cause I bet whatever anyone calls it, Hailey is glad to be the one that did it! no one is not saying Hailey and sister weren't phenomenal.. Because they were but technically it's not an arena record this year or any year. If this topic was about the wpra standard pattern everyone would be asking if it was measured and confirmed. It is fun to think there is an arena record but in all reality it's not a legitimate statement. No other professional sport would even call that a record unless it was consistent with other years. The ground is obviously not in the factor because it has luckily improved over the years and it is hauled in from year to year but the fact that the pattern can't remain the same is puzzling...
That is not true. Today's major sports are all different in varying ways, compared to many years ago. In baseball, for example, the height of the mound was lowered 6" back around 1970. That gave hitters a bigger advantage and pitching statistics were negatively affected. Bats are lighter, for a given length and barrel size. Hitters seldom wore batting gloves years ago. Spikes are lighter. Infields are better manicured. All these changes gave advantages to today's players, when compared to players from the past. The records to be broken remain the same. The statistics do not have asterisks behind them, except to designate when the season was only 154 games, versus today's 162.
It doesn't really matter though, because she shattered that record by such an incredible margin, nobody doubts that she has made the fastest run ever in the T&M.
Well ok then... However back to the standard pattern debate... No one is doubting Hailey made an absolutely phenomenal run. It's just disappointing that the pattern isn't staked the same. We all know the difference of a few inches can make in barrel racing. Obviously it's why rodeo is not timed to the thousandth but between the variables of the ground that has been a factor on better runs over the years. That we all prayed for.... But the pattern isn't even the same. One year the score line was almost 2 feet off. That was in 2008. |
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| Would we be arguing this if Lisa and Louie or Sherry and Stingray had run a 13.11? Probably not. Does anyone know the measurements for this year and how different, if in fact they are, from when other fast times that have been run in the past?
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| GLP - 2017-12-10 10:38 PMWould we be arguing this if Lisa and Louie or Sherry and Stingray had run a 13.11? Probably not. Does anyone know the measurements for this year and how different, if in fact they are, from when other fast times that have been run in the past?Hailey had one heck of a run and I am happy for her and her mare. It was exciting to watch she and Kassie lay down near perfect runs. I think if someone wouldn't have made it public the pattern differences over the years this wouldn't be a conversation. And who said anything about arguing? It's an interesting conversation with the all the factors involving an arena record. Besides, sadly the ground looked absolutely horrible tonight.
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Location: California | jake16 - 2017-12-10 9:19 PM
UGLY GROUND TONIGHT!!!!!TO MANY HORSES DOWN:(
Yes!!!!! And the announcers keeping saying how great the ground is this year, and I’ve seen horses slip, fall or what not every round!!! Wonder how much they’re getting paid to say it’s great ground! |
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| *almost there* - 2017-12-11 10:01 PM
jake16 - 2017-12-10 9:19 PM
UGLY GROUND TONIGHT!!!!!TO MANY HORSES DOWN:(
Yes!!!!! And the announcers keeping saying how great the ground is this year, and I’ve seen horses slip, fall or what not every round!!! Wonder how much they’re getting paid to say it’s great ground!
The ground was bad last night too.... there were a lot of slips before tonight
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| WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-12-10 8:24 PM rodeomom3 - 2017-12-10 7:38 PM WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-12-10 2:55 PM It's fun to say "arena record" but it is not really an arena record at the nfr. More of the fastest run for that year over 10 rounds. Each year the pattern measured is slightly different. For example in 2008 and 2013 the distance between barrel one and two is bigger and smaller by a few inches. Also the score line in 2008 was almost 2 feet longer. I have a post of the pattern measurements from 2008, 2013, 2014, 2015 and 2017. Here is my link to my post. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10213116598301925&id...1603170018 Arena record or not there has been some awesome horses and riding this week! from what I understand it is all has to do the center alley. The bull chutes or something isn't always centered from year to year. So that is why the barrel placement from left to right changes. Like I said I find it puzzling that it just can't be consistently the same size from year to year. Kind of disappointing.
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| aqhabarrelchic1 - 2017-12-11 12:48 AM *almost there* - 2017-12-11 10:01 PM jake16 - 2017-12-10 9:19 PM UGLY GROUND TONIGHT!!!!!TO MANY HORSES DOWN:( Yes!!!!! And the announcers keeping saying how great the ground is this year, and I’ve seen horses slip, fall or what not every round!!! Wonder how much they’re getting paid to say it’s great ground! The ground was bad last night too.... there were a lot of slips before tonight
Agree, I wonder if that is why Hailey’s Sister is pulling off the 3rd, feels the iffy ground and won’t get down. I like a smart horse. |
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| Your going to have horses slip and fall at EVERY BARREL RACE.... You have to look at the big picture. Until round 4, there were some slips, but nothing that indicated the ground was really that bad. ROund 4, the vast majority of horses had issues so there was a change at some point. You can only do so much with a concrete basketball court and dirt that has been there for decades.. Maybe they did change the dirt last year, but last I heard it was the same dirt every single year. |
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| FLITASTIC - 2017-12-12 7:15 AM
Your going to have horses slip and fall at EVERY BARREL RACE.... You have to look at the big picture. Until round 4, there were some slips, but nothing that indicated the ground was really that bad. ROund 4, the vast majority of horses had issues so there was a change at some point. You can only do so much with a concrete basketball court and dirt that has been there for decades.. Maybe they did change the dirt last year, but last I heard it was the same dirt every single year.
Did you watch the prior rounds? There were some littl slips and some big ones.... poor tianys horse from last night practically did the splits on the first and trotted around the second |
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Your going to have horses slip and fall at EVERY BARREL RACE.... You have to look at the big picture. Until round 4, there were some slips, but nothing that indicated the ground was really that bad. ROund 4, the vast majority of horses had issues so there was a change at some point. You can only do so much with a concrete basketball court and dirt that has been there for decades.. Maybe they did change the dirt last year, but last I heard it was the same dirt every single year.
I feel like the ground is really packed....which while some horse will have issues, it's also what's helping along these super fast times.
Just think about stubbing the toe of your boot on concrete versus sand...and trying to run in both...
Edit: To clarify LOL...Yes, I totally agree the ground is crappy. But it's also why they're clocking faster, IMO.
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On another note, I'm a little surprised to see the times of Tiany, Stevie, and Kassy. I don't know if the horses and rides are just trying to take care of themselves or something else. I'm not bashing them by any means, but this NFR has different runs than I was expecting! |
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | Congrats to her! Ground is firm and fast this year. Many have complained in the past for being to loose so they firmed it up this year. Looks like the ladies need to have their farriers replace the nails in the horse shoes with "Ice nails" JMHO! |
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Location: California | then I must be watching a different rodeo than some people on this board. Yes you will have slips and what not, but there have been different riders almost falling off since day 1 from the ground not holding their horses, and really bad slips. Yes you except rodeo ground to not be good, but there’s a difference between bad ground and dangerous ground, IMO. |
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Location: California | Douglas J Gordon - 2017-12-11 9:44 AM
Congrats to her! Ground is firm and fast this year. Many have complained in the past for being to loose so they firmed it up this year. Looks like the ladies need to have their farriers replace the nails in the horse shoes with "Ice nails" JMHO!
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Location: Ky | *almost there* - 2017-12-11 11:58 AM Douglas J Gordon - 2017-12-11 9:44 AM Congrats to her! Ground is firm and fast this year. Many have complained in the past for being to loose so they firmed it up this year. Looks like the ladies need to have their farriers replace the nails in the horse shoes with "Ice nails" JMHO! Curious what this means? Thanks : )
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then I must be watching a different rodeo than some people on this board. Yes you will have slips and what not, but there have been different riders almost falling off since day 1 from the ground not holding their horses, and really bad slips. Yes you except rodeo ground to not be good, but there’s a difference between bad ground and dangerous ground, IMO.
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| FLITASTIC - 2017-12-11 12:26 PM *almost there* - 2017-12-11 9:56 AM then I must be watching a different rodeo than some people on this board. Yes you will have slips and what not, but there have been different riders almost falling off since day 1 from the ground not holding their horses, and really bad slips. Yes you except rodeo ground to not be good, but there’s a difference between bad ground and dangerous ground, IMO. Ground can't be that dangerous when 13th out wins the round JMHO.
Amberleigh said she rode her different because of the ground, kept ahold of her more to be sure she stayed underneath her and less chance of slipping. I know that is part of the rodeo trail, horse and rider both knowing how to handle bad ground, but as an avid fan and at the biggest rodeo of all, I want to see good, safe ground where all 15 can lay down the best runs they have without fear of getting hurt because of the ground. A high percentage of complete falls and slips when you consider there are only 15 runs, ground should hold for 15. What I am seeing seems to be caused by ground not worked right as opposed to it getting torn up or stepping in a hole. Many of the contestants have said it is chunky, last year seemed to have more sand and the horses could grip and slide through it. |
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I have to wonder.... Didn't they bring in special people to fix the ground last year? Maybe they brought the same ground back this year but not the same people to work the ground. I think maintenance is a huge factor in keeping good ground.
Edited to add... I see a few slips in the team roping too. Just some food for thought.
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | cecollins0811 - 2017-12-11 11:43 AM
I was actually very surprised to see so many horses falling last night, especially with having such a great new arena record run made last night. I hope they really work it good today.
On another note, I'm a little surprised to see the times of Tiany, Stevie, and Kassy. I don't know if the horses and rides are just trying to take care of themselves or something else. I'm not bashing them by any means, but this NFR has different runs than I was expecting!
It looks like it’s also the way she runs, she runs on the top of the ground, she’s very light footed, she has the advantage with that type of ground I believe. |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | FLITASTIC - 2017-12-11 12:26 PM
*almost there* - 2017-12-11 9:56 AM
then I must be watching a different rodeo than some people on this board. Yes you will have slips and what not, but there have been different riders almost falling off since day 1 from the ground not holding their horses, and really bad slips. Yes you except rodeo ground to not be good, but there’s a difference between bad ground and dangerous ground, IMO.
Ground can't be that dangerous when 13th out wins the round JMHO.
It’s HOW the horses run, like I just said, the ones running on the top of the ground aren’t having as much trouble as the heavier footed ass-dragging horses |
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| cecollins0811 - 2017-12-11 11:43 AM
I was actually very surprised to see so many horses falling last night, especially with having such a great new arena record run made last night. I hope they really work it good today.
On another note, I'm a little surprised to see the times of Tiany, Stevie, and Kassy. I don't know if the horses and rides are just trying to take care of themselves or something else. I'm not bashing them by any means, but this NFR has different runs than I was expecting!
I'm curious about what surprises you with their times - what do you mean?
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| cecollins0811 - 2017-12-11 11:43 AM I was actually very surprised to see so many horses falling last night, especially with having such a great new arena record run made last night. I hope they really work it good today. On another note, I'm a little surprised to see the times of Tiany, Stevie, and Kassy. I don't know if the horses and rides are just trying to take care of themselves or something else. I'm not bashing them by any means, but this NFR has different runs than I was expecting!
Tiany is having a tough time clocking but Kassie has placed 2nd in 2 rounds and Stevie ran good times but hit, she placed when she was clean. |
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Location: on the fine line between insanity and geniusness | RnRJack - 2017-12-11 1:57 PM
FLITASTIC - 2017-12-11 12:26 PM
*almost there* - 2017-12-11 9:56 AM
then I must be watching a different rodeo than some people on this board. Yes you will have slips and what not, but there have been different riders almost falling off since day 1 from the ground not holding their horses, and really bad slips. Yes you except rodeo ground to not be good, but there’s a difference between bad ground and dangerous ground, IMO.
Ground can't be that dangerous when 13th out wins the round JMHO.
It’s HOW the horses run, like I just said, the ones running on the top of the ground aren’t having as much trouble as the heavier footed ass-dragging horses
THIS. I don’t believe the ground is dangerous by any means. It took a .6 last night to place!! The straighter, roll back type of horses are having trouble with it, but if you watch all of them- they throw their body inside and their feet outside. The ones that run in there collected with their feet UNDER them not BESIDE them are having no issues. No Tiany didn’t have the run everyone was expecting last night- but she’s very open with the fact that Show Mance is an outside horse!! |
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| Ashley Lynn - 2017-12-11 3:12 PM RnRJack - 2017-12-11 1:57 PM FLITASTIC - 2017-12-11 12:26 PM *almost there* - 2017-12-11 9:56 AM then I must be watching a different rodeo than some people on this board. Yes you will have slips and what not, but there have been different riders almost falling off since day 1 from the ground not holding their horses, and really bad slips. Yes you except rodeo ground to not be good, but there’s a difference between bad ground and dangerous ground, IMO. Ground can't be that dangerous when 13th out wins the round JMHO. It’s HOW the horses run, like I just said, the ones running on the top of the ground aren’t having as much trouble as the heavier footed ass-dragging horses THIS. I don’t believe the ground is dangerous by any means. It took a .6 last night to place!! The straighter, roll back type of horses are having trouble with it, but if you watch all of them- they throw their body inside and their feet outside. The ones that run in there collected with their feet UNDER them not BESIDE them are having no issues. No Tiany didn’t have the run everyone was expecting last night- but she’s very open with the fact that Show Mance is an outside horse!!
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | I agree it’s not the horses fault for having the “wrong” style per say, and I’m no ground expert but I would imagine it’s harder to bring in dirt to an indoor arena used for many different venues then an outdoor arena? I don’t know if that makes a huge difference but seems like it would take a lot to get it perfect |
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | *almost there* - 2017-12-11 11:58 AM Douglas J Gordon - 2017-12-11 9:44 AM Congrats to her! Ground is firm and fast this year. Many have complained in the past for being to loose so they firmed it up this year. Looks like the ladies need to have their farriers replace the nails in the horse shoes with "Ice nails" JMHO! Curious what this means? Thanks : )
The head of the nail is longer and about 1/4" to 1/3" of the head sticks out and like cleats and has very good traction! |
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Location: OH. IO | Wahoo!!!!!!LOVE:))))) LOVE ME SOME LOUIE;) |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Well the ground looked really good last night, saw 2 slips and they were on the backside of the 3rd barrel unless I missed some while I was going to the potty.. So I hope its another good ground night for the rest of the rounds. 
And ya-hoo for Louie and Lisa, way to go Louie you looked great |
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Location: California | Ashley Lynn - 2017-12-11 1:12 PM
RnRJack - 2017-12-11 1:57 PM
FLITASTIC - 2017-12-11 12:26 PM
*almost there* - 2017-12-11 9:56 AM
then I must be watching a different rodeo than some people on this board. Yes you will have slips and what not, but there have been different riders almost falling off since day 1 from the ground not holding their horses, and really bad slips. Yes you except rodeo ground to not be good, but there’s a difference between bad ground and dangerous ground, IMO.
Ground can't be that dangerous when 13th out wins the round JMHO.
It’s HOW the horses run, like I just said, the ones running on the top of the ground aren’t having as much trouble as the heavier footed ass-dragging horses
THIS. I don’t believe the ground is dangerous by any means. It took a .6 last night to place!! The straighter, roll back type of horses are having trouble with it, but if you watch all of them- they throw their body inside and their feet outside. The ones that run in there collected with their feet UNDER them not BESIDE them are having no issues. No Tiany didn’t have the run everyone was expecting last night- but she’s very open with the fact that Show Mance is an outside horse!!
Disagree. You can see the second horse out to the last horse out slipping, and all a wide variety of styles. Watched these horses at other rodeos without near the issues. I’ve watched Paige a lot in person, and she’s pretty dang sure footed, and even she has had some bad bad slips and almost falls. And it’s obviously not “her turning style” since she’s won 2 rounds. Rodeo is rodeo but it the ground can’t hold 15 horses than there is something wrong! Last year was much better. This year looks like the same old trash ground it always has. I’ve seen barrel racers turn out for ground equal to this, but the fact is this is the “Super Bowl” and so they don’t get the choice.
Arena record may have been broken but the pattern is natorious for not being the same size, and if it’s not the same size you can’t hardly use the argument that the ground was good enough to hold a new aren record.
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On a side note: Every year I think it's sad that everyone hauls all year for vegas to run on crap ground. We dream and breed with hopes of getting one we trained, touched, bred, or sat on being there! Yet it is usually the worst ground those horses run on all year. I know we are guests to the PRCA there but dang can't they figure something out something that these six figure horses, can sit down and turn without loosing their ass? |
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| Ashley Lynn - 2017-12-11 3:12 PM
RnRJack - 2017-12-11 1:57 PM
FLITASTIC - 2017-12-11 12:26 PM
*almost there* - 2017-12-11 9:56 AM
then I must be watching a different rodeo than some people on this board. Yes you will have slips and what not, but there have been different riders almost falling off since day 1 from the ground not holding their horses, and really bad slips. Yes you except rodeo ground to not be good, but there’s a difference between bad ground and dangerous ground, IMO.
Ground can't be that dangerous when 13th out wins the round JMHO.
It’s HOW the horses run, like I just said, the ones running on the top of the ground aren’t having as much trouble as the heavier footed ass-dragging horses
THIS. I don’t believe the ground is dangerous by any means. It took a .6 last night to place!! The straighter, roll back type of horses are having trouble with it, but if you watch all of them- they throw their body inside and their feet outside. The ones that run in there collected with their feet UNDER them not BESIDE them are having no issues. No Tiany didn’t have the run everyone was expecting last night- but she’s very open with the fact that Show Mance is an outside horse!!
I watched that round live and seeing horses work in the arena after the rodeo and it's HARD! I do think the horses who dive in are struggling more where their feet are to the outside but there were a few, the gal on the sorrel that went down on 3rd (sorry not as familiar with her) but she was laying down a gorgeous run and that horse to me was super balanced. |
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