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| Have a horse that runs to the left. Smokes his first comes to the second and will come up out of the second. Will push him onto the third and he eats it.
He works poles amazing, even did a down and back and smoked it to the right, so don’t think it’s a soreness issue. Any suggestions? |
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| cmcelroy0308 - 2017-12-14 9:13 PM
Have a horse that runs to the left. Smokes his first comes to the second and will come up out of the second. Will push him onto the third and he eats it.
He works poles amazing, even did a down and back and smoked it to the right, so don’t think it’s a soreness issue. Any suggestions?
Videos? |
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Location: Ohio girl moved to PA | post video if you have one! |
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| Can you give a little bit more of a description, if no videos? Does he blow off on the backside, or not finish the turn?
How do you train? Do you circle the barrel twice while jog/loping the pattern? |
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Location: North Dakota | Video would be helpful. My first guess is you need to adjust your approach into the 2nd barrel to help your horse finish, since it's the "longest" turn out of the three. |
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Location: Loco,Ok | First turn set's up the second turn. To.the first. Leave the first horse needs to get in position to turn the second. Goes to the position that sets the turn up. As leave the barrel move then in position. Not.be running across the pen aimed at the center of the second barrel. Then having to get over. |
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| I tried posting video says it’s too big. He slow works perfect. I will try and shorten |
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| I’m trying to post videos but keeps saying too long |
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| Does not finish his turn |
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| Upload the video to YouTube and post a link |
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| This was in September and he had just a little hesitation
https://youtu.be/KO0kd05aGJM
Edited by cmcelroy0308 2017-12-16 7:03 PM
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| This was 2 weeks ago
https://youtu.be/X3nuSChnUg8 |
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| How do you do your slow work? It honestly looks like a soreness issue to me. He's fighting you completely and if it's gotten worse since your first video that would make sense. |
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| That’s what I though too but it puzzled me how he doesn’t fight on the end turns in the poles.
Slow work is wal trotting turning barrels twice slow lope turning barrels twice. |
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| I would get him checked by a good lameness vet before you run him any more. I had one that would not work his second but would still work his third.
He had a sore suspensory. Running one hurt can create big mental issues too. Good luck with him |
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| Yeah I know. This horse was off a year with torn suspensory |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | You have a nice horse, dont run him anymore untill you get this issue figured out, take him to the best Vet you can afford.  |
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| Thank you. I will and do get them the best care. |
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| So this is EXACTLY what one of mine would do before he was diagnosed with kissing spine.
2 years ago he was great basically high loping and hitting the 4d/5d. I didn’t train him and he hadn’t run barrels in a long time so it was a year of crushing and confidence building. Then back in February at February at a jackpot I started asking for more, we crashed the 2nd barrel and it all fell apart. At home he was great and working better than ever. At jackpots he’d blow off the 2nd barrel - at the beginning it was just like that and pretty soon he was taking me sideways all the way back across the timer line. 1st he’d turn fine and 3rd he’d turn fine if I could get him there (although we were never really running hard by then because of 2nd).
We thought at first it was a mental issue from crashing that barrel, I’d never hit one on him before and he was working fine at home. Finally off to the vet. He flexed and jogged and everything else 10/10, I started feeling pretty defeated. I’d noticed some back soreness after we’d rope on him so since I was there we decided to X-ray his SI area and boom, there it was clear as day. We injected him that day.
The good: as a rope horse he’s back 110% better than ever.
The bad: we have not returned as a barrel horse. The issue is still there and we are confident it is mental. He hadn’t run barrels in 6 or 7 years when we got him, he’d been a rope horse. We aren’t sure that there isn’t an underlying reason for that and the mental aspect of it goes deeper than just the KS. Either way, he’s a bang up rope horse so he still has a job.
I suggest a trip to the vet for a thorough going over, take these videos with you.
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| Once you rule out soreness, could he be pulling to the horses in the holding pen? I've seen it before.
Good luck. |
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| What does the X-rays show for kissing spine? |
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| cmcelroy0308 - 2017-12-17 7:34 PM
What does the X-rays show for kissing spine?
Whether or not the spinal processes are too close or touching.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | cmcelroy0308 - 2017-12-17 7:34 PM What does the X-rays show for kissing spine?
Google Kissing Spine in horses and you will get some good information.. |
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| Looks like pain to me. |
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| cmcelroy0308 - 2017-12-16 9:07 PM
Yeah I know. This horse was off a year with torn suspensory
After viewing your videos and seeing him drag a right rear and dance on his left
rear and refusal turning to his right like a 10ft 2x4 ....
I even turned on my 3rd eye to take a look in that fluffy arena dirt which makes
it tuffer to see a problem ...
Then I see the short post you made below .... grrrrr
That should have been the first sentence in your first post!!
A suspensory acts like a rubber band and holds the horses hoof up so it
hits the ground flat while keeping a normal stride. Any problem you have
with a suspensory means the rubber band has broken or stretched and horses
toe is pointed downwards for him to land on like a toe of a ballerina shoe or he shortens
his stride and favors his weight and turn to his good foot as a self pain protection.
Having worked trying to re-hab race horses with suspensory problems for various
trainers. About 20% heal back enough to make a few selected races to run in while
the other 80% healed enough to make good trail or family horses with no events
where they have to exert themselves.
IMO a suspensory problem is almost #1 on my worst injury list. A stifle problem is
a close runner up. Both involve a torn or stretched ligament or muscle mass for
a stifle and in both cases it changes the angles of movement in these areas. A horses
skeleton is completely held in place by ligaments and muscles which make these
recoveries very difficult.
There is no magic exercise, pill, supplement, chiro or massage to put their parts
back in their original positions.
Once you see the long term affects on horses that were de-nerved or blocked to
run 1-2 more races... you will decide in the horses favor and just give them an
easier job to do and let someone enjoy them for a long long time.
All it takes is one bad step or a slip to cause either of the above ...
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Location: North Dakota | I agree -- I think you have a lameness problem. In the more recent video, he actually doesn't want to finish any of his barrels -- it's just worse on the 2nd.
As far as him working the poles, remember that a pole turn is a little different than a barrel turn. He may be compensating better on the poles, than he is on the barrels.
Let us know what the vet says, especially with his suspensory injury history.
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| Thank you everyone. He’s going tomorrow |
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| He’s past suspensory injury was his right |
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| Went to vet today has a bone chip in hock that broke loose. Going next week about surgical options. |
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| cmcelroy0308 - 2017-12-19 7:12 PM Went to vet today has a bone chip in hock that broke loose. Going next week about surgical options.
Best of luck |
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| Thanks for taking him to the vet! Some people just won't and keep blaming the horse! Good luck and I hope you get him feeling better. |
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| Update...... he had surgery today. They ended up finding 2 chips even tho X-ray only showed one. When they got in there another one was in the soft tissue. Did a lot of joint clean up. Prognosis is great. 6 weeks off. Thank you everyone. |
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Location: MO | Great that you got him taken care of! So happy that the prognosis is good.
Question though...6 weeks? We had a chip removed from the fetlock and he was on stall rest for a month, then hand walking/small (roundpen sized) turn out for another 30 days, the another 2 weeks(Ish) of light riding/legging up, then full on work after he was released by the vet after the follow up. Maybe it's just a difference of vets but 6 weeks seems short for having 2 chips in the hock area. |
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| 6 weeks he can start to be ridden lightly, not back to full work/running |
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| He’s 2 weeks of stall rest and 4 weeks of light turn out in small round pen. Then rechecked if ok, then onto light riding. |
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