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Cold and lungs: what’s up?
CanCan
Reg. May 2004
Posted 2017-12-27 10:11 AM
Subject: Cold and lungs: what’s up?


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 A friend’s trainer said he doesn’t ride in cold weather because it is bad on lungs. I googled it and there are some articles that say below freezing is bad on their lungs to really work out. The articles advised walking and trotting only. Remember that I’m in Louisiana so our cold is wet and rare. 
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OhMax
Reg. Feb 2013
Posted 2017-12-27 11:17 AM
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Define cold.

It’s -8 here right now - I have no desire to ride and won’t be.

We will ride in the 20’s and high teens on a regular basis, I hope to be legging stuff up around the 1st of February.

Horses throats are a lot longer than ours, so a lot more natural warming of air happens before it hits the lungs. But yes, I believe that riding in the single digits and negatives could be hard on them depending on the work that’s being asked of them. Walking and light trotting to go check cattle probably wouldn’t be too bad, being asked to work up a sweat would have its own set of potential problems.

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Reg. Nov 2007
Posted 2017-12-27 3:43 PM
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Below say 25, I probably wouldn't. I don't ride winter anyway cause I'm a weenie and don't do the cold!!  
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CanCan
Reg. May 2004
Posted 2017-12-27 3:51 PM
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 Our cold is a wet cold. I had never really thought about it before. But apparently when a horse breathes fast, the air doesn’t have time to warm before it hits their lungs. It can cause damage. So I’m trying to figure out do you barrel race when it’s freezing? Do you not barrel race when it’s freezing? Remember Louisiana is wet and rarely stays in the thirties during the day.
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Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2017-12-27 4:34 PM
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we've had to get cows in or move them around when it was so stinking cold you did as much walking to warm up as you rode. With a wind chill I have no idea how cold but I guarantee it was below zero. Horses were fine. You never ask them to bust out or anything. Just a slow jog (especially if the ground is covered in snow) and mostly walk behind the cows. You could see their breath, but we never had them sweaty or puffing.  We were so bundled up it took a great effort to just get on-long undies/fleece lined jeans/bib overalls. Muck boots that were no where near warm enough, and not a glove out there I think that would have been either. I think you could do some damage if you ran a horse hard in the cold. 
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flyingcolors
Reg. Aug 2005
Posted 2017-12-27 4:51 PM
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We ride all winter but once it gets below zero I think twice about it.  If it is below zero and wind chills I usually don't.  Around here January is the month that most places don't have shows but that's it.  
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RunNitroRun
Reg. Oct 2011
Posted 2017-12-28 1:00 PM
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The reference to cold air on lungs is for climates that are cold and dry. The cold frigid dry air can cause some inflammation responses to horses airways. The studies done involved loping horses in sub freezing temperatures for 15 minutes and there was some minor inflammatory responses. Take into account most people who live in the freezing temperatures don't lope their horses for 15 minutes straight because they get too sweaty to dry off.

I live in Canada (all last week it was -40) and today is 5 degrees (-15 C). We exercise the horses when the temperature is no colder then -6 (or -21 C). We make sure to warm them up slowly and correctly and ensure a proper cool down period.

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Reg. Nov 2007
Posted 2017-12-28 3:30 PM
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RunNitroRun - 2017-12-28 1:00 PM The reference to cold air on lungs is for climates that are cold and dry. The cold frigid dry air can cause some inflammation responses to horses airways. The studies done involved loping horses in sub freezing temperatures for 15 minutes and there was some minor inflammatory responses. Take into account most people who live in the freezing temperatures don't lope their horses for 15 minutes straight because they get too sweaty to dry off. I live in Canada (all last week it was -40) and today is 5 degrees (-15 C). We exercise the horses when the temperature is no colder then -6 (or -21 C). We make sure to warm them up slowly and correctly and ensure a proper cool down period.

You are tough!!!  
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SmokinGirlie
Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2017-12-28 7:46 PM
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 It was -20 yesterday in ND, without windchill. This is when I ride bareback for a few mins ?? I don’t do anything strenuous until it’s a tad warmer lol 
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Reg. Jan 2017
Posted 2017-12-28 7:52 PM
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CanCan - 2017-12-27 3:51 PM

 Our cold is a wet cold. I had never really thought about it before. But apparently when a horse breathes fast, the air doesn’t have time to warm before it hits their lungs. It can cause damage. So I’m trying to figure out do you barrel race when it’s freezing? Do you not barrel race when it’s freezing? Remember Louisiana is wet and rarely stays in the thirties during the day.

Horses are being galloped at Delta and Shreveport along with being breezed out and gated. It is a damp cold here but definitely not in danger of damaging any lungs here. If the track closes for cold or weather conditions then you can worry about not running.

Unfortunately its the damp and the switch from hot to cold thats got everyone doctoring their snot nose yearlings right now *sucker in dirt*
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CanCan
Reg. May 2004
Posted 2017-12-29 8:26 AM
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 Not a great example considering the kill value of most of the horses there. ?? I actually love my horses. That’s why I looked for research and studies.
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joplin21
Reg. Dec 2013
Posted 2017-12-31 2:59 PM
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I shared this article on my Facebook that I found on Yates Veterinary Services page yesterday.

I am frequently asked, and I wondered myself, about working horses in extremely frigid weather like what we are currently experiencing. It can be frustrating for all of us who are trying to keep horses reasonably fit over the winter if they are unable to be safely worked for a long period of time. I've seen this question come up on several pages today, with answers such as: just turn horses out, to ride them in coveralls with 1 of their blankets still on.

I made it my mission today to search PubMed to see if any true scientific studies have been done regarding horses exercising in cold weather. Note: this is not about hacking (walking) or horses playing in turnout. I wanted to know if actual work (trotting, cantering, jumping) was harmful, and at what temperatures.

Unfortunately, there are really only 3 studies that show up for cold weather research in horses-most of the research has been done about cooling hot horses surrounding the 1996 and 2008 Olympics.

1. Equine Vet J Suppl. 2002 Sep;(34):413-6.
Airway cooling and mucosal injury during cold weather exercise.
Davis MS1, Lockard AJ, Marlin DJ, Freed AN.

2. Equine Vet J Suppl. 2006 Aug;(36):535-9.Cold air-induced late-phase bronchoconstriction in horses. Davis MS1, Royer CM, McKenzie EC, Williamson KK, Payton M, Marlin D.

3. Am J Vet Res. 2007 Feb;68(2):185-9. Influx of neutrophils and persistence of cytokine expression in airways of horses after performing exercise while breathing cold air. Davis MS1, Williams CC, Meinkoth JH, Malayer JR, Royer CM, Williamson KK, McKenzie EC.

In the first study, scientists found increased ciliated epithelial cells in the broncho-alveolar lavage in horses that exercised in cold weather, indicating damage to the respiratory tract. This is a similar finding to studies that have been performed in cold weather human athletes, and led the authors to conclude that breathing unconditioned (not warmed or humidified) air does in fact contribute to airway inflammation in horses.

Study 2 tested horses breathing 23 degree F air at 5h, 24h, and 48h post exercise. The authors did find bronchoconstriction (narrowing of the airways) at 48 hours post exercise, and concluded that exercising in cold weather may be a cause for lower airway disease in horses.

Finally, the third study looked at horses 24 and 48 hours after exercise breathing 23 degree F air, and concluded that there were increased neutrophils (white blood cells), as well as inflammatory proteins, up to 48 hours after exercising in cold air. The authors were concerned that these findings could mean that horses were more susceptible to viral infections after exercising in the cold.

Where does that leave all of us? My decision after viewing the literature today is that I'm going to avoid true exercise (cantering/jumping) when the temps are below 20 F. We really need more studies done in a natural environment (outside, not using treadmills) in colder weather for more information, but there is enough scientific evidence currently to show that at least some damage is done to the respiratory tract at temperatures 23 and below.-Dr. Yates

*********Edited on Dec 30: I posted this in the comments but it's buried at this point, so I wanted to move it up here:*********

I wanted to jump back into the conversation to clarify some of the questions that have been asked and debated. First, I want to ask people to please be respectful of one other. Some of these debates have become overly contentious.

Secondly, since this post has now been seen over 400K times in different parts of the world, I wanted to reiterate that the original intent was to get guidance on sport horses (h/j, dressage, eventers) WORKING (NOT trail riding or turned out) in the Midwest USA/Great Lakes region. For those not familiar with our weather, we tend to have wild temperature swings in the winter, where it may be 30 deg F, but then have 2 weeks of 10 deg F-minus 0 temps. Our horses are most assuredly NOT acclimated to extreme temperatures, but the question always arises if it is too cold to ride.

Many people have mentioned racehorses/Amish/working ranch horses. I'm very aware that there are many northern tracks that race in the winter, as well as ranch horses and Amish buggy horses that continue to work cattle and drive their families to town. It would be interesting to scope and do serial BALs on those horses to determine if their cytokine/neutrophil levels match these studies or are significantly different.

Finally, several people have asked for the specific materials and methods for the studies. I don't have the full text of the first 2 papers, but the M and M for the third is as follows: 9 adult horses (no breed mentioned) trained on a treadmill 3 times/week for 12 weeks. The exercise test was 5 min walk at 1.8 meters/s, 5 minutes trot 4 meter/sec, and 5 minutes canter 6.8-9.5 meters/sec. The samples were collected at 24 and 48 hours post exercise test.

Thank you to everyone for the great discussion!
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Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2017-12-31 5:29 PM
Subject: RE: Cold and lungs: what’s up?


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joplin21 - 2017-12-31 2:59 PM I shared this article on my Facebook that I found on Yates Veterinary Services page yesterday. I am frequently asked, and I wondered myself, about working horses in extremely frigid weather like what we are currently experiencing. It can be frustrating for all of us who are trying to keep horses reasonably fit over the winter if they are unable to be safely worked for a long period of time. I've seen this question come up on several pages today, with answers such as: just turn horses out, to ride them in coveralls with 1 of their blankets still on. I made it my mission today to search PubMed to see if any true scientific studies have been done regarding horses exercising in cold weather. Note: this is not about hacking (walking) or horses playing in turnout. I wanted to know if actual work (trotting, cantering, jumping) was harmful, and at what temperatures. Unfortunately, there are really only 3 studies that show up for cold weather research in horses-most of the research has been done about cooling hot horses surrounding the 1996 and 2008 Olympics. 1. Equine Vet J Suppl. 2002 Sep;(34):413-6. Airway cooling and mucosal injury during cold weather exercise. Davis MS1, Lockard AJ, Marlin DJ, Freed AN. 2. Equine Vet J Suppl. 2006 Aug;(36):535-9.Cold air-induced late-phase bronchoconstriction in horses. Davis MS1, Royer CM, McKenzie EC, Williamson KK, Payton M, Marlin D. 3. Am J Vet Res. 2007 Feb;68(2):185-9. Influx of neutrophils and persistence of cytokine expression in airways of horses after performing exercise while breathing cold air. Davis MS1, Williams CC, Meinkoth JH, Malayer JR, Royer CM, Williamson KK, McKenzie EC. In the first study, scientists found increased ciliated epithelial cells in the broncho-alveolar lavage in horses that exercised in cold weather, indicating damage to the respiratory tract. This is a similar finding to studies that have been performed in cold weather human athletes, and led the authors to conclude that breathing unconditioned (not warmed or humidified) air does in fact contribute to airway inflammation in horses. Study 2 tested horses breathing 23 degree F air at 5h, 24h, and 48h post exercise. The authors did find bronchoconstriction (narrowing of the airways) at 48 hours post exercise, and concluded that exercising in cold weather may be a cause for lower airway disease in horses. Finally, the third study looked at horses 24 and 48 hours after exercise breathing 23 degree F air, and concluded that there were increased neutrophils (white blood cells), as well as inflammatory proteins, up to 48 hours after exercising in cold air. The authors were concerned that these findings could mean that horses were more susceptible to viral infections after exercising in the cold. Where does that leave all of us? My decision after viewing the literature today is that I'm going to avoid true exercise (cantering/jumping) when the temps are below 20 F. We really need more studies done in a natural environment (outside, not using treadmills) in colder weather for more information, but there is enough scientific evidence currently to show that at least some damage is done to the respiratory tract at temperatures 23 and below.-Dr. Yates *********Edited on Dec 30: I posted this in the comments but it's buried at this point, so I wanted to move it up here:********* I wanted to jump back into the conversation to clarify some of the questions that have been asked and debated. First, I want to ask people to please be respectful of one other. Some of these debates have become overly contentious. Secondly, since this post has now been seen over 400K times in different parts of the world, I wanted to reiterate that the original intent was to get guidance on sport horses (h/j, dressage, eventers) WORKING (NOT trail riding or turned out) in the Midwest USA/Great Lakes region. For those not familiar with our weather, we tend to have wild temperature swings in the winter, where it may be 30 deg F, but then have 2 weeks of 10 deg F-minus 0 temps. Our horses are most assuredly NOT acclimated to extreme temperatures, but the question always arises if it is too cold to ride. Many people have mentioned racehorses/Amish/working ranch horses. I'm very aware that there are many northern tracks that race in the winter, as well as ranch horses and Amish buggy horses that continue to work cattle and drive their families to town. It would be interesting to scope and do serial BALs on those horses to determine if their cytokine/neutrophil levels match these studies or are significantly different. Finally, several people have asked for the specific materials and methods for the studies. I don't have the full text of the first 2 papers, but the M and M for the third is as follows: 9 adult horses (no breed mentioned) trained on a treadmill 3 times/week for 12 weeks. The exercise test was 5 min walk at 1.8 meters/s, 5 minutes trot 4 meter/sec, and 5 minutes canter 6.8-9.5 meters/sec. The samples were collected at 24 and 48 hours post exercise test. Thank you to everyone for the great discussion!

I shared it on Facebook yesterday too.  It makes some good points. 
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mruggles
Reg. Oct 2008
Posted 2017-12-31 8:14 PM
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We been having a nasty cold spell here..-39 with out the wind..so i havent been riding at all....looks like its suposed to smarten up this week so i will be back at it..i just walk trot and lope a little....m
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CanCan
Reg. May 2004
Posted 2018-01-01 12:01 AM
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 I read the abstracts too. Since our true cold is rare, I have decided not to work one when it’s under 35 or windchill under 35. There. 
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Reg. Jan 2015
Posted 2018-01-01 7:12 PM
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CanCan - 2018-01-01 12:01 AM

 I read the abstracts too. Since our true cold is rare, I have decided not to work one when it’s under 35 or windchill under 35. There. 

How cold are you right now, CanCan? Just wondering since you're not too terribly far from me. We're 10 with WC right now.
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CanCan
Reg. May 2004
Posted 2018-01-01 8:42 PM
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 Supposed to be in the teens tonight. I had amare get all hot and worked up over fireworks last night. It was high 20s. She seems ok. 
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Posted 2018-01-01 9:00 PM
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CanCan - 2018-01-01 8:42 PM

 Supposed to be in the teens tonight. I had amare get all hot and worked up over fireworks last night. It was high 20s. She seems ok. 

 20s is a heat wave. I would love a 20 degree day! Our average temperature over the last 10 days has been - 6 below. So obviously I haven't rode in almost 10 days... Which stinks since I'm rehabbing my good mare. I won't ride in anything less than 15 degrees. All I do is a little trotting if I can and a nice trial ride to keep my horse fit through the winter. Trudging through snow helps fitness.
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Reg. Jan 2015
Posted 2018-01-01 9:04 PM
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CanCan - 2018-01-01 8:42 PM

 Supposed to be in the teens tonight. I had amare get all hot and worked up over fireworks last night. It was high 20s. She seems ok. 

Electricity starting to go out in our area. Substations can't keep up with demand. . . .
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barrelracer1983
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2018-01-02 10:49 AM
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I'm still trying to figure out how cold is too cold. They like to schedule barrel races at 10 above. I'm a fair weather wimp so I put them on the exerciser. I really don't want to saddle up if the cold is hitting me in the face.
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CanCan
Reg. May 2004
Posted 2018-01-02 7:59 PM
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 I’ve decided if it hurts me to run and breathe, it hurts the horse. We rarely get weather below freezing for over 8 hours at a time. If a horse lives in a frigid environment, he would be used to it.
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Reg. Feb 2009
Posted 2018-01-05 11:49 PM
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It depends on the horse and what they are used to. I ride my mare in -6 weather with a long warm up and cool down, but she is frisky! She prefers the cold to the heat. Its minus 45 with the wind chill right now.....def not riding..... If your horses isnt used to the cold you are experiencing, I wouldnt ride. If they are not used to it, its hard enough on their bodies just standing around.
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