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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | What do these rub marks tell you?
Leather latigo, and off billet. Fleece cinch has been used, and mohair - same result.
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Location: South Georgia | Is the horse body clipped? If so, could it be a rash from the rubbing against prickly hair? |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | Nope, it's saddle/billet related. She is slick :) |
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Location: South Georgia | SmokinGirlie - 2018-01-09 4:01 PM Nope, it's saddle/billet related. She is slick :)
Wow. I'm jealous. I'm in South Georgia and my horse isnt smooth like that. LOL
I have no clue. I wouldnt think a horse would be allergic to leather. No spots on the chest (from breastcollar) or bridle area? Did you use a different leather oil or something that maybe she could be allergic to? Are the marks on the opposite side as well?
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Location: Arizona | Is it the stain of the leather billet? |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | horsegirl - 2018-01-09 3:05 PM SmokinGirlie - 2018-01-09 4:01 PM Nope, it's saddle/billet related. She is slick :) Wow. I'm jealous. I'm in South Georgia and my horse isnt smooth like that. LOL
I have no clue. I wouldnt think a horse would be allergic to leather. No spots on the chest (from breastcollar) or bridle area? Did you use a different leather oil or something that maybe she could be allergic to? Are the marks on the opposite side as well?
She has 3 blankets on, lol!
She is very thin skinned, I'm thinking it will happen regardless of what I use but man it's ugly and I don't know what to do to fix it! They are rub marks.
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Location: Arizona | Have you tried nylon billets? |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | LIVE2RUN - 2018-01-09 3:09 PM Have you tried nylon billets?
Yep, almost worse. Because of the friction I'm assuming. |
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Location: South Georgia | Ok, so you know they are rub marks. What help or input were you seeking? It definitely is odd. I haven't seen that before. |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | horsegirl - 2018-01-09 3:12 PM Ok, so you know they are rub marks. What help or input were you seeking? It definitely is odd. I haven't seen that before.
Just if anyone has had it happen before, and what they did to fix it?
What is causing it beyond the billets, clearly I know they are what are actually rubbing her -but why? Is it the saddle pressure points? Is it just her being thinned skinned? Is there something I can do to fix it I haven't thought of?
I'm tapped out and hating saddles so been riding bareback mostly, but that won't help me run barrels lol! |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | My first thought it was a saddle fit problem and the billets and cinch are getting pulled. Does that makes sense? |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | Nevertooold - 2018-01-09 3:21 PM My first thought it was a saddle fit problem and the billets and cinch are getting pulled. Does that makes sense?
Yes!
What do you think is causing it though? I just don't know what to look for different if that makes sense? Part of my thinks the skirt may be playing a factor, it's a Caldwell and she isn't a big bodied mare? |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Looks like to me its the pad, when you cinch it might be making the pad rub. What kind of pad are you using? |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | Southtxponygirl - 2018-01-09 3:54 PM Looks like to me its the pad, when you cinch it might be making the pad rub. What kind of pad are you using?
You name it, I've tried them all I swear LOL !
I have used 7/8 and 3/4 5stars and then a 1/2inch Coats pad. All same results I'm finding. I threw a Coats on that is too wide for her, and a 1 inch pad. It doesn't seem to be rubbing as much but I also feel like I'm over padded and don't like that feeling. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | SmokinGirlie - 2018-01-09 3:57 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-01-09 3:54 PM Looks like to me its the pad, when you cinch it might be making the pad rub. What kind of pad are you using? You name it, I've tried them all I swear LOL !
I have used 7/8 and 3/4 5stars and then a 1/2inch Coats pad. All same results I'm finding. I threw a Coats on that is too wide for her, and a 1 inch pad. It doesn't seem to be rubbing as much but I also feel like I'm over padded and don't like that feeling.
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| Southtxponygirl - 2018-01-09 4:00 PM
SmokinGirlie - 2018-01-09 3:57 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-01-09 3:54 PM Looks like to me its the pad, when you cinch it might be making the pad rub. What kind of pad are you using? You name it, I've tried them all I swear LOL !
I have used 7/8 and 3/4 5stars and then a 1/2inch Coats pad. All same results I'm finding. I threw a Coats on that is too wide for her, and a 1 inch pad. It doesn't seem to be rubbing as much but I also feel like I'm over padded and don't like that feeling.
Ditto, And maybe some pictures of the saddle without the to see the fit.
Are there 2 marks, one at the front Cinch and one at the rear? I think that’s what I’m seeing but the rear one is faint if it’s there? |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | OhMax - 2018-01-09 8:31 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-01-09 4:00 PM SmokinGirlie - 2018-01-09 3:57 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-01-09 3:54 PM Looks like to me its the pad, when you cinch it might be making the pad rub. What kind of pad are you using? You name it, I've tried them all I swear LOL !
I have used 7/8 and 3/4 5stars and then a 1/2inch Coats pad. All same results I'm finding. I threw a Coats on that is too wide for her, and a 1 inch pad. It doesn't seem to be rubbing as much but I also feel like I'm over padded and don't like that feeling. Ditto, And maybe some pictures of the saddle without the to see the fit. Are there 2 marks, one at the front Cinch and one at the rear? I think that’s what I’m seeing but the rear one is faint if it’s there?
I will post some tomorrow! And yes front and back! |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | I was pregnant last summer so I don't have a lot of saddled pictures and I got the saddle later the fall before.
Here are some images, hopefully they help give you a better idea of what I'm dealing with?
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Location: Texas | Try a thinner pad
Try a shorter cinch. |
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Location: mi | are all the pads you tried felt or wool? maybe try a fleece pad? Not anything I would want to run in.... Yikes... but might be worth trying for a few work outs. |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | Fun2Run - 2018-01-10 11:17 AM Try a thinner pad Try a shorter cinch.
I have a 1/2 inch on her, and flip between a short and longer cinch. I recently switched from the mohair to a fleece CE.
Here is the Mohair and 7/8 5 Star.
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | ajs2002 - 2018-01-10 11:23 AM are all the pads you tried felt or wool? maybe try a fleece pad? Not anything I would want to run in.... Yikes... but might be worth trying for a few work outs.
That 1/2 inch is a Coats saddle pad, which I believe is all fleece? The others are 5 stars, so wool. |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | Dash4KJ - 2018-01-10 11:26 AM It looks like your cinch is too long. It may be meeting the pad when shes working and causing a pinching action of sorts with the pad.
I make sure to not have it up too high where it would pinch her, but that could be part of the problem. I'll try a shorter cinch. It is rubbing where the offbillet and latigos sit though??  |
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Location: MN | Dang. This is a doozie....would one of these help? Those rub marks are in such an odd spot....
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | Kay-DRacing. - 2018-01-10 12:00 PM Dang. This is a doozie....would one of these help? Those rub marks are in such an odd spot....
I KNOW! My brain hurts over it!
I don't think so since the rubs are above where the guard is :( blah. |
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Location: NE Texas | OK, so now seeing this all in one place with the pics and not on sc or messenger, looks to me like what you have is front to back movement. Her shoulders are pushing the saddle back, then her hip is pushing it back forward and with the latigos touching her, you get a little bit of back and forth there. Do you not have any friction like that under the pad? I know you've mentioned rubs at the loin a time or two. |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | Herbie - 2018-01-10 12:46 PM
OK, so now seeing this all in one place with the pics and not on sc or messenger, looks to me like what you have is front to back movement. Her shoulders are pushing the saddle back, then her hip is pushing it back forward and with the latigos touching her, you get a little bit of back and forth there. Do you not have any friction like that under the pad? I know you've mentioned rubs at the loin a time or two.
I had to post on BHW for you to give me a question.... LOL rude.
Only time I've had movement under the pad was last night when I tried a Corriente and 1/2 in pad. And I had rubs across her loins. |
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Location: NE Texas | SmokinGirlie - 2018-01-10 12:58 PM Herbie - 2018-01-10 12:46 PM OK, so now seeing this all in one place with the pics and not on sc or messenger, looks to me like what you have is front to back movement. Her shoulders are pushing the saddle back, then her hip is pushing it back forward and with the latigos touching her, you get a little bit of back and forth there. Do you not have any friction like that under the pad? I know you've mentioned rubs at the loin a time or two. I had to post on BHW for you to give me a question.... LOL rude. Only time I've had movement under the pad was last night when I tried a Corriente and 1/2 in pad. And I had rubs across her loins.
Well I can see it all in one place here, silly! Rather than on my tiny phone scolling all over the place and through 3 different social media apps.
OK, ride the Coats, shim the front with a no bow. Try the same thing with the corriente. It may be where the billets are hung, too far back. You may need something that sits the saddle back behind the shoulder or at least a little further back with how she's built and filled in over the last couple of years.
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | Herbie - 2018-01-10 1:04 PM SmokinGirlie - 2018-01-10 12:58 PM Herbie - 2018-01-10 12:46 PM OK, so now seeing this all in one place with the pics and not on sc or messenger, looks to me like what you have is front to back movement. Her shoulders are pushing the saddle back, then her hip is pushing it back forward and with the latigos touching her, you get a little bit of back and forth there. Do you not have any friction like that under the pad? I know you've mentioned rubs at the loin a time or two. I had to post on BHW for you to give me a question.... LOL rude. Only time I've had movement under the pad was last night when I tried a Corriente and 1/2 in pad. And I had rubs across her loins.
OK, ride the Coats, shim the front with a no bow. Try the same thing with the corriente. It may be where the billets are hung, too far back. You may need something that sits the saddle back behind the shoulder or at least a little further back with how she's built and filled in over the last couple of years.
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Location: lone star state | Thin skin horses can be really sensitive to tack. Put your saddle in place with the pad on but before cinching up tight put your hand under in the area where the rub is and feel for pressure or anything that may annoy your horse. Maybe a leather knot thats holding your billet/latigo in place, possibly the dee(metal) coming from your saddle to latigo...look for something simple that most horses/people dont notice...also look for signs from your horse telling you somethings irritating. Head bobbing, ear pinning, stamping feet, swishing tail, these may also give clues when its bothering. |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | I may have figured something out. It looks nice and balanced on her, have zero rub marks underneath the saddle, and so far only one on the off side. Now this is after 2 rides of this set up but fingers crossed!!
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Location: South Georgia | What did you change? |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | SmokinGirlie - 2018-01-18 9:21 AM I may have figured something out. It looks nice and balanced on her, have zero rub marks underneath the saddle, and so far only one on the off side. Now this is after 2 rides of this set up but fingers crossed!!
Of the pictures of your mare saddled up you need to draw a arrow/mark on the spots that are rubbing so we can see exactly were the rub marks are if the rub marks start to show up again. |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | horsegirl - 2018-01-18 9:23 AM What did you change? Thinner 5 star, took the back cinch off, and switched cinches. However, I think I want to try a shoulder relief cinch so I can customize placement a bit more but so far so good!
Before when I took the back cinch off, the saddle was slapping me in the butt. But I think it was because I over padded??
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | AshleyJ2911 - 2018-01-18 9:24 AM Just an FYI love your girl and her face markings
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | Southtxponygirl - 2018-01-18 9:37 AM SmokinGirlie - 2018-01-18 9:21 AM I may have figured something out. It looks nice and balanced on her, have zero rub marks underneath the saddle, and so far only one on the off side. Now this is after 2 rides of this set up but fingers crossed!! Of the pictures of your mare saddled up you need to draw a arrow/mark on the spots that are rubbing so we can see exactly were the rub marks are if the rub marks start to show up again.
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Location: Lewisburg, Tennessee | Hi there, you might have figured your problem out already, but it looks to me like your cinch is too long. Every time my team roping hubby uses a cinch that's too long, he'll get those rub marks too.
?I was always taught that the cinch should just come above the elbow and be 6-8 inches away from the saddle D ring. I don't have to cinch up nearly as tight either.
?I can't find the video I'm thinking of, but here's a quick video of Bob Avila:
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Location: LA Lower Alabama | Was your saddle pad cut out for the cinch? or really mashed down from use? |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | cowgalsissy - 2018-01-22 11:51 AM Was your saddle pad cut out for the cinch? or really mashed down from use?
It's slightly cut out, it's a 5 star. I'm hoping I figured it out as I didn't have noticible 'new' rubs after we actually ran barrels last weekend. Fingers crossed!!
I did use a shorter cinch too so hopefully that helped as well.
It wasn't ever rubs from the cinch itself, but obviously the length plays a factor regardless. Thank you all for the suggestions! |
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