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    Location: California | My 5 year old mare started stretching out Wednesday. Extremely far (like a dramatic gelding going to pee) - no other symptoms. I thought maybe she was sore from getting rode quite a bit so I gave her Thursday off. Friday morning I pull her out of her stall and bring her to the sale barn I work at. She starts standing stretched out again and is ignoring her alfalfa. (DIET: Alfalfa and Platinum) I watch her for a little bit - call my vet and ask some questions and then she starts getting colicy. Pawing, biting her sides, and eventually starts wanting to go down. Banamine her and its good for about 4 hours and she is back at it. Take her to the vet. All vitals normal, no sand in fecal, no temp, heart rate and resp normal, palpates normal. Gut sounds normal. She is STILL (Sunday) pooping and peeing. They tube her and tie her up and say she is good to go home. Few minutes later while still at vet she is down again. They look at her some more and are confused - sedate her and give her muscle relaxer and more banamine and I take her home (late at this point). She is drinking water. Early the next morning back at it. Stretching out to the point she goes off balance and almost falls down. I take her back to vet. All vitals still perfectly normal. Palpates normal. They run blood - completely normal other than a few little differences that go with a colicy horse.
So vet thinks Enterolith. She has been on her Alfalfa and Platinum diet for not even 3 weeks yet. Before that it was turn out and grass hay with occasional alfalfa - previous owner was the same. I feel like that is not enough time for something so dramatic to occur but I am seeking others opinions. Surgery is not an option for this situation right now. I am trying to work with the money I have. I understand he can try to confirm enterolith with x-rays but he did say once in awhile you miss it with an x-ray and it is $400 for a "maybe". He didn't believe ultrasound would show anything. I told myself I would give it 24 more hours last night. I have her on banamine more than I should but I will not let her suffer. This horse WANTS to live though. She whinnies when she sees me, perky, and the toughest grittiest horse I have ever owned. I am so frustrated and upset and just want to reach out and see if anyone has ANY ideas or thoughts. I have worked for several vets and owned several colics and have never seen a horse stretch out like this or be so "normal" while in so much pain. |
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    Location: California | They have palpated her mutliple times. He feels nothing moved, impacted, swollen, etc. He thinks the enterolith is too large and is trying to pass through her colon which is what is causing the extreme pain. |
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She could also have bleeding ulcers, I have one who was acting colicky took her to the vet immediately got a phone call 3 days later saying she was bleeding out and he didn't think she would survive. I would suggest having the vet give her iv omeprazole.
And yes enterolith is a huge possibility.
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    Location: California | cheryl makofka - 2018-01-14 7:11 AM I would suspect an inverted colon, and vet can flip it without surgery, if they know what they are doing. She could also have bleeding ulcers, I have one who was acting colicky took her to the vet immediately got a phone call 3 days later saying she was bleeding out and he didn't think she would survive. I would suggest having the vet give her iv omeprazole. And yes enterolith is a huge possibility.
So what proves the colon is inverted? Ultrasound? How do I know if it is bleeding ulcers? Enterolith is possible with only a few weeks on straight alfalfa? |
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              Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | cheryl makofka - 2018-01-14 10:11 AM I would suspect an inverted colon, and vet can flip it without surgery, if they know what they are doing. She could also have bleeding ulcers, I have one who was acting colicky took her to the vet immediately got a phone call 3 days later saying she was bleeding out and he didn't think she would survive. I would suggest having the vet give her iv omeprazole. And yes enterolith is a huge possibility.
Some do have to have surgery for a displaced colon, Dr. Huffman is one of the best and he did everything he could befor he and Dr.Martin decided surgery was the only way to help. The rolling helps for some but in my gelding's case it didnt help. |
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cheryl makofka - 2018-01-14 10:11 AM I would suspect an inverted colon, and vet can flip it without surgery, if they know what they are doing. She could also have bleeding ulcers, I have one who was acting colicky took her to the vet immediately got a phone call 3 days later saying she was bleeding out and he didn't think she would survive. I would suggest having the vet give her iv omeprazole. And yes enterolith is a huge possibility.
Some do have to have surgery for a displaced colon, Dr. Huffman is one of the best and he did everything he could befor he and Dr.Martin decided surgery was the only way to help. The rolling helps for some but in my gelding's case it didnt help.
Sidekick displaced twice. The first time ended in surgery and a belly dump. The second time they were able to shrink his spleen with drugs and jog the colon back into place. So yep...sometimes they still have to do surgery on a displacement. Especially if there ends up being a lot of matter in the intestines from the displacement not allowing them to pass manure. |
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    Location: California | Vet said with no elevated heart rate, resp, temp, and from palpating her that he didn't see this as a possbility. Of course it is still somewhat of a mystery so I am not saying anything isn't possible. He said first on his his is Enterolith (highly likely) second is sand colic (low but a possibility) and third is impaction (also very low). |
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              Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | SKM - 2018-01-14 10:44 AM Southtxponygirl - 2018-01-14 9:33 AM cheryl makofka - 2018-01-14 10:11 AM I would suspect an inverted colon, and vet can flip it without surgery, if they know what they are doing. She could also have bleeding ulcers, I have one who was acting colicky took her to the vet immediately got a phone call 3 days later saying she was bleeding out and he didn't think she would survive. I would suggest having the vet give her iv omeprazole. And yes enterolith is a huge possibility. Some do have to have surgery for a displaced colon, Dr. Huffman is one of the best and he did everything he could befor he and Dr.Martin decided surgery was the only way to help. The rolling helps for some but in my gelding's case it didnt help. Sidekick displaced twice. The first time ended in surgery and a belly dump. The second time they were able to shrink his spleen with drugs and jog the colon back into place. So yep...sometimes they still have to do surgery on a displacement. Especially if there ends up being a lot of matter in the intestines from the displacement not allowing them to pass manure.
I've been lucky with Slick he only did it this one time and that was in 07, Dr. Huffman told me he could displace again, but so far so good {knock on wood} Yep he had alot of built up of matter so surgery was the only way, and Dr. Huffman was not ready to give up on him so surgery it was. Dr.Huffman and Dr.Martin did the surgery a little different they went in threw his flank and it worked awesome. |
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              Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | little_bug - 2018-01-14 10:48 AM Vet said with no elevated heart rate, resp, temp, and from palpating her that he didn't see this as a possbility. Of course it is still somewhat of a mystery so I am not saying anything isn't possible. He said first on his his is Enterolith (highly likely) second is sand colic (low but a possibility) and third is impaction (also very low).
I hope that the vet gets this figured out fast, I know that my gelding was in so much pain he got to were he was throwing himself down when the med wore off. I was going to have to put him down but my Vet just did not want me to give up on him, but sometimes you do have to make that hard choice. I was lucky that I had a vet that was willing to work with me. |
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TheHorse has a great article on equine enteroliths, and they do state that “enteroliths are more common in horses fed a diet of more than 50% alfalfa”, so even though she hasn’t been on straight alfalfa for *that* long, it could have just been the timing of the size and location of the enterolith that brought you to here.
http://www.thehorse.com/articles/21036/colic-and-equine-enteroliths...
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    Location: California | Liana D - 2018-01-14 10:19 AM Two other things that will cause those symptoms: Bots Tapeworms
Good to know! Thank you. We did have bad bots this year but I worm regularly. In fact I did last week. |
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    Location: California | Update: I do not want to get my hopes up but her last dose of banamine was at 6:30am and she is acting completely normal and much happier and standing quiet as of now. She got a tiny bit of grass hay. Fingers crossed! |
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              Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | little_bug - 2018-01-14 6:42 PM Update: I do not want to get my hopes up but her last dose of banamine was at 6:30am and she is acting completely normal and much happier and standing quiet as of now. She got a tiny bit of grass hay. Fingers crossed!
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    Location: California | Southtxponygirl - 2018-01-14 6:19 PM little_bug - 2018-01-14 6:42 PM Update: I do not want to get my hopes up but her last dose of banamine was at 6:30am and she is acting completely normal and much happier and standing quiet as of now. She got a tiny bit of grass hay. Fingers crossed! Hope that your mare is still doing good tonight.
Well it has been 24 hours without pain meds and she is acting completely normal. Has had about a 1/2 flake of grass hay. I am praying this continues and she is on the mend. Thankful for gut instincts and gritty mares. |
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     Location: Windoming | little_bug - 2018-01-14 5:38 PM Liana D - 2018-01-14 10:19 AM Two other things that will cause those symptoms: Bots Tapeworms Good to know! Thank you. We did have bad bots this year but I worm regularly. In fact I did last week.
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little_bug - 2018-01-14 5:38 PM Liana D - 2018-01-14 10:19 AM Two other things that will cause those symptoms: Bots Tapeworms Good to know! Thank you. We did have bad bots this year but I worm regularly. In fact I did last week.
I wonder if there is a connection?
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      Location: The best kept secret in TX | SKM - 2018-01-15 4:46 PM Silly Filly - 2018-01-15 9:19 AM little_bug - 2018-01-14 5:38 PM Liana D - 2018-01-14 10:19 AM Two other things that will cause those symptoms: Bots Tapeworms Good to know! Thank you. We did have bad bots this year but I worm regularly. In fact I did last week. I wonder if there is a connection? It doesn’t matter how good of a working program you have. If a horses immune system is compromised, they can end up with a severe worm infestation.
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      Location: Texas | little_bug - 2018-01-15 7:37 PM I am curious if there is an underlying issue that will cause this problem again. I guess time will tell. You can definitely bet I have a load of grass hay mixed with my alfalfa now LOL.
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     Location: Texas | little_bug - 2018-01-14 9:37 AM
My 5 year old mare started stretching out Wednesday. Extremely far (like a dramatic gelding going to pee) - no other symptoms. I thought maybe she was sore from getting rode quite a bit so I gave her Thursday off. Friday morning I pull her out of her stall and bring her to the sale barn I work at. She starts standing stretched out again and is ignoring her alfalfa. (DIET: Alfalfa and Platinum) I watch her for a little bit - call my vet and ask some questions and then she starts getting colicy. Pawing, biting her sides, and eventually starts wanting to go down. Banamine her and its good for about 4 hours and she is back at it. Take her to the vet. All vitals normal, no sand in fecal, no temp, heart rate and resp normal, palpates normal. Gut sounds normal. She is STILL (Sunday) pooping and peeing. They tube her and tie her up and say she is good to go home. Few minutes later while still at vet she is down again. They look at her some more and are confused - sedate her and give her muscle relaxer and more banamine and I take her home (late at this point). She is drinking water. Early the next morning back at it. Stretching out to the point she goes off balance and almost falls down. I take her back to vet. All vitals still perfectly normal. Palpates normal. They run blood - completely normal other than a few little differences that go with a colicy horse.
So vet thinks Enterolith. She has been on her Alfalfa and Platinum diet for not even 3 weeks yet. Before that it was turn out and grass hay with occasional alfalfa - previous owner was the same. I feel like that is not enough time for something so dramatic to occur but I am seeking others opinions. Surgery is not an option for this situation right now. I am trying to work with the money I have. I understand he can try to confirm enterolith with x-rays but he did say once in awhile you miss it with an x-ray and it is $400 for a "maybe". He didn't believe ultrasound would show anything. I told myself I would give it 24 more hours last night. I have her on banamine more than I should but I will not let her suffer. This horse WANTS to live though. She whinnies when she sees me, perky, and the toughest grittiest horse I have ever owned. I am so frustrated and upset and just want to reach out and see if anyone has ANY ideas or thoughts. I have worked for several vets and owned several colics and have never seen a horse stretch out like this or be so "normal" while in so much pain.
Sorry, let me rephrase.. I'm surprised an ultrasound wasn't done during the initial colic workup. I wanted to clarify and ask if an US was never done, or he didnt want to repeat it?
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     Location: Texas | SKM - 2018-01-14 10:44 AM
Southtxponygirl - 2018-01-14 9:33 AM
cheryl makofka - 2018-01-14 10:11 AM I would suspect an inverted colon, and vet can flip it without surgery, if they know what they are doing. She could also have bleeding ulcers, I have one who was acting colicky took her to the vet immediately got a phone call 3 days later saying she was bleeding out and he didn't think she would survive. I would suggest having the vet give her iv omeprazole. And yes enterolith is a huge possibility.
Some do have to have surgery for a displaced colon, Dr. Huffman is one of the best and he did everything he could befor he and Dr.Martin decided surgery was the only way to help. The rolling helps for some but in my gelding's case it didnt help.
Sidekick displaced twice. The first time ended in surgery and a belly dump. The second time they were able to shrink his spleen with drugs and jog the colon back into place. So yep...sometimes they still have to do surgery on a displacement. Especially if there ends up being a lot of matter in the intestines from the displacement not allowing them to pass manure.
Nephrosplenic entrapments can sometimes be corrected with rolling. a right dorsal displacement usually requires surgery but sometimes with fasting and patience for those who can't afford it they can get better. There was one horse I was sure would die, owner took home, and he ran out in the pasture and bred a mare and got better. It was a weird deal. LOL. |
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      Location: Arkansas | casualdust07 - 2018-01-15 8:30 PM
Also, horses can colic with normal heart rates. Horses can pass manure and still be impacted or strangulated or pick your poison... If there is a "rule of thumb" a horse can defy it. It's their job.
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Also, horses can colic with normal heart rates. Horses can pass manure and still be impacted or strangulated or pick your poison... If there is a "rule of thumb" a horse can defy it. It's their job.
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    Location: California | Okay, going to answer a few people's responses at one.
Stride - I do not believe she has been tested - she is an 800 pound cutting bred horse. I don't have her papers in hand at the moment but should shortly.
casualdust07 - No ultrasound was done because I was working with a tighter budget and when speaking to both vets that looked at her they didn't feel that an ultrasound would show them anything they needed to see. She did do a lot of rolling Saturday night that could have easily moved her insides around enough to correct an issue. Impaction was definitely on the list still - her poops were a bit smaller so I did keep wondering about it (off feed for several days as well) but Sunday morning they were back to normal sized and she has been consistant since then so it is possible she passed an impaction.
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     Location: Texas | little_bug - 2018-01-16 9:28 AM
Okay, going to answer a few people's responses at one.
Stride - I do not believe she has been tested - she is an 800 pound cutting bred horse. I don't have her papers in hand at the moment but should shortly.
casualdust07 - No ultrasound was done because I was working with a tighter budget and when speaking to both vets that looked at her they didn't feel that an ultrasound would show them anything they needed to see. She did do a lot of rolling Saturday night that could have easily moved her insides around enough to correct an issue. Impaction was definitely on the list still - her poops were a bit smaller so I did keep wondering about it (off feed for several days as well) but Sunday morning they were back to normal sized and she has been consistant since then so it is possible she passed an impaction.
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      Location: Arkansas | little_bug - 2018-01-16 9:28 AM
Okay, going to answer a few people's responses at one.
Stride - I do not believe she has been tested - she is an 800 pound cutting bred horse. I don't have her papers in hand at the moment but should shortly.
casualdust07 - No ultrasound was done because I was working with a tighter budget and when speaking to both vets that looked at her they didn't feel that an ultrasound would show them anything they needed to see. She did do a lot of rolling Saturday night that could have easily moved her insides around enough to correct an issue. Impaction was definitely on the list still - her poops were a bit smaller so I did keep wondering about it (off feed for several days as well) but Sunday morning they were back to normal sized and she has been consistant since then so it is possible she passed an impaction.
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    Location: California | Chandler's Mom - 2018-01-16 4:13 PM little_bug - 2018-01-16 9:28 AM Okay, going to answer a few people's responses at one.
Stride - I do not believe she has been tested - she is an 800 pound cutting bred horse. I don't have her papers in hand at the moment but should shortly.
casualdust07 - No ultrasound was done because I was working with a tighter budget and when speaking to both vets that looked at her they didn't feel that an ultrasound would show them anything they needed to see. She did do a lot of rolling Saturday night that could have easily moved her insides around enough to correct an issue. Impaction was definitely on the list still - her poops were a bit smaller so I did keep wondering about it (off feed for several days as well) but Sunday morning they were back to normal sized and she has been consistant since then so it is possible she passed an impaction.
Is she still good tonight?
So far yes. She seems a tiny bit lethargic but I am guessing that is possibly from such little food since Friday am.
QUESTION: Is there anything I can give her on top of grass hay right now to help with the digestive system? Preferably something I can go get from the feed stores. She was on Platinum and wondeirng if I can put her back on that too. |
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     Location: In The Land of Cotton | little_bug - 2018-01-17 10:53 AM Wormed January 2nd, Started colicing January 10th.
I wonder if the time frame for the "colic" was when and/or if the worms starting dying?
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    Location: California | 3canstorun - 2018-01-17 7:20 AM little_bug - 2018-01-17 10:53 AM Wormed January 2nd, Started colicing January 10th. I wonder if the time frame for the "colic" was when and/or if the worms starting dying?
Just a thought.
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     Location: In The Land of Cotton | little_bug - 2018-01-17 11:34 AM 3canstorun - 2018-01-17 7:20 AM little_bug - 2018-01-17 10:53 AM Wormed January 2nd, Started colicing January 10th. I wonder if the time frame for the "colic" was when and/or if the worms starting dying?
Just a thought. She has been wormed regularly. And I haven't seen a single parasite in her fecal matter what so ever. I know they aren't all visible. Always possible. Right now the list os causes are a mile long.
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      Location: The best kept secret in TX | 3canstorun - 2018-01-17 10:50 AM little_bug - 2018-01-17 11:34 AM 3canstorun - 2018-01-17 7:20 AM little_bug - 2018-01-17 10:53 AM Wormed January 2nd, Started colicing January 10th. I wonder if the time frame for the "colic" was when and/or if the worms starting dying?
Just a thought. She has been wormed regularly. And I haven't seen a single parasite in her fecal matter what so ever. I know they aren't all visible. Always possible. Right now the list os causes are a mile long. Just curious - what is your regular dewormer? And what did you use that time?
I am curious as well. Good rule of thumb is to switch up active ingredients so the parasites don't get a resistance. My schedule is as follows to give you an idea: January: Strongid (Pyrantel Pamoate) March: Ivermectin May: Moxidectin (Quest) July: (Ivermectin) September: Oxibendazole (Anthelcide) November: Ivermectin with Fenbendazole (Equimax)
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    Location: California | IRunOnFaith - 2018-01-17 9:00 AM 3canstorun - 2018-01-17 10:50 AM little_bug - 2018-01-17 11:34 AM 3canstorun - 2018-01-17 7:20 AM little_bug - 2018-01-17 10:53 AM Wormed January 2nd, Started colicing January 10th. I wonder if the time frame for the "colic" was when and/or if the worms starting dying?
Just a thought. She has been wormed regularly. And I haven't seen a single parasite in her fecal matter what so ever. I know they aren't all visible. Always possible. Right now the list os causes are a mile long. Just curious - what is your regular dewormer? And what did you use that time? I am curious as well.
Good rule of thumb is to switch up active ingredients so the parasites don't get a resistance.
My schedule is as follows to give you an idea:
January: Strongid (Pyrantel Pamoate)
March: Ivermectin
May: Moxidectin (Quest)
July: (Ivermectin)
September: Oxibendazole (Anthelcide)
November: Ivermectin with Fenbendazole (Equimax)
Hugs to you and hope you can figure this out for your little mare. 
I truly don't have some crazy strict worming schedule. I switch it up but not in a specific order. We have horses coming in and out pretty often. If they look wormy I dose them with more of a ivermectin/praziquantel (Zimmectrin Gold). She got Fenbendazole (Safeguard). |
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IRunOnFaith - 2018-01-17 9:00 AM 3canstorun - 2018-01-17 10:50 AM little_bug - 2018-01-17 11:34 AM 3canstorun - 2018-01-17 7:20 AM little_bug - 2018-01-17 10:53 AM Wormed January 2nd, Started colicing January 10th. I wonder if the time frame for the "colic" was when and/or if the worms starting dying?
Just a thought. She has been wormed regularly. And I haven't seen a single parasite in her fecal matter what so ever. I know they aren't all visible. Always possible. Right now the list os causes are a mile long. Just curious - what is your regular dewormer? And what did you use that time? I am curious as well.
Good rule of thumb is to switch up active ingredients so the parasites don't get a resistance.
My schedule is as follows to give you an idea:
January: Strongid (Pyrantel Pamoate)
March: Ivermectin
May: Moxidectin (Quest)
July: (Ivermectin)
September: Oxibendazole (Anthelcide)
November: Ivermectin with Fenbendazole (Equimax)
Hugs to you and hope you can figure this out for your little mare. 
I truly don't have some crazy strict worming schedule. I switch it up but not in a specific order. We have horses coming in and out pretty often. If they look wormy I dose them with more of a ivermectin/praziquantel (Zimmectrin Gold). She got Fenbendazole (Safeguard).
I don’t know where you live but Safeguard doesn’t get bots.
I’ve seen a lot of horses that didn’t “look”wormy that were loaded with them.
I hope your Mare continues to improve :-)
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| I have a longer bodied gelding who has bad coliced twice on me. He’s been recommended surgery once and I told them it wasn’t an option. I want to say he was displaced. With the help of some drugs and a lot of long trotting and starving he got back in sorts. The vet wasn’t to hopeful at first but he pulled through a bit skinnier than normal but healthy. I can’t remember all the details of the second time but it wasn’t as bad. Now you have to watch him because he’ll quit drinking sometimes. He hated the vets water and refused to drink it. A few years ago I thought it was round three for colic, he was stretching and such. He did some weird tongue yawning moves also. I got some fluids in him and some pepto and he was fine in a day. |
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              Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I wonder if maybe your mare had a bad reaction to the Safeguard... I like using a dewormer that get bots and tapeworms this time of the year myself, in fact when it warms up some I'm going to be hitting up all my horses with Equimax.. |
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    Location: California | Southtxponygirl - 2018-01-17 2:09 PM I wonder if maybe your mare had a bad reaction to the Safeguard... I like using a dewormer that get bots and tapeworms this time of the year myself, in fact when it warms up some I'm going to be hitting up all my horses with Equimax..
I have a hard time thinking that the dewormer was the cause... it was 8 days after, she is wormed regularly. Last worming a few months ago was for the tapeworm and bots. With that being said, I truly have no idea what caused it so I won't rule out anything, |
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