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Location: Cocoa, Florida | Realized after this weekend I need to make some major changes, I have a 14.3 hand horse that is very quick and catty and if I want to be able to really reach her potential I need to shed some lbs and get stronger in my core. My friend told me about the keto diet and I researched it thoroughly, it’s been 3 days now with NO bread at all and I’m doing well. Has anyone else done this diet and had success on it? Pros and cons? | |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | RnRJack - 2018-01-17 5:40 PM Realized after this weekend I need to make some major changes, I have a 14.3 hand horse that is very quick and catty and if I want to be able to really reach her potential I need to shed some lbs and get stronger in my core. My friend told me about the keto diet and I researched it thoroughly, it’s been 3 days now with NO bread at all and I’m doing well. Has anyone else done this diet and had success on it? Pros and cons?
really are no cons except it's very restictive.
If all you cut out is bread you won't see much of a result.
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | 1DSoon - 2018-01-17 4:43 PM
RnRJack - 2018-01-17 5:40 PM Realized after this weekend I need to make some major changes, I have a 14.3 hand horse that is very quick and catty and if I want to be able to really reach her potential I need to shed some lbs and get stronger in my core. My friend told me about the keto diet and I researched it thoroughly, it’s been 3 days now with NO bread at all and I’m doing well. Has anyone else done this diet and had success on it? Pros and cons?
really are no cons except it's very restictive.
If all you cut out is bread you won't see much of a result.
Technically I meant all carbs, it’s a high fat low carb diet. Trying to stay under 30 carbs a day | |
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| I LOVE IT.
I've lost weight- better yet, I FEEL amazing. I also fast a good bit, too. The keto diet combined with fasting has helped me lose more than 50 lbs since July. I was sick of haunting this website so much and wanted to get my ass back in the saddle, but first it had to fit back in it!
I took a break from keto over Christmas and gained a few pounds back- I felt gross from the carbs- got back on keto a week and a half ago and am back down and have energy again :)
I was so skeptical at first because it is SO backwards from the traditional "dieting" mindset. But it is so worth it! I feel and look so much better and I swear I can even see better! Lol My husband says that it's like I'm on drugs.
I've learned that it is a complete lifestyle change and not a quick fix (even though I lost the weight fast). I had a few cheat days along the way and they set me back. I'm back on keto now and plan to be more dedicated- I don't have that much more weight to lose but I definitely want to keep feeling this awesome. | |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | That’s awesome that it got you back into riding!!!! I know it’s a very hard diet, believe me it sucked eating hamburger patties with cheese amd pickles with no buns but it’s so going to be worth it!! I even went to the gym after work tonight, did cardio for an hour so hopefully the diet will kick in faster!
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| I did it for about 6 weeks last winter. I did lose weight. I also felt like crud. Even after the initial “keto flu” period they talk about. I did think about doing it again this winter to shed some holiday lbs, but I just don’t think my body accepted it well. By the numbers I was doing everything correctly.
I try to keep my lean protein high and my carbs complex. I could do better, but I’m slowly getting back to my mid summer weight, so there’s that. | |
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| That's funny you mentioned that- that's EXACTLY what's on the menu tonight! Lol
Buy lots of almond flour! I've tried a few bread/muffin recipes with it and I've learned to love it. The best advice I can give- join all the Facebook support groups you can, especially the recipe pages. My newsfeed is clogged with keto posts that keep me motivated when I want to give in to a craving, and I'm ALWAYS finding new recipes to try.
The only 'con' I can think of is the cost of buying new clothes... or cleaning out your junk closet to find your old skinny jeans.
Good luck- stay the course- don't get on the scale every single day. I've tried to wrap my head around the fact that food should be fuel, not therapy, which goes against my years of bad habits. I'm excited for you! Keto on!
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Location: CTX | yes, started this time last year. I stayed under 20 carbs a day and lost 45lbs before summer. Since then I've been figuring out how much (or little) carbs I can safely eat and not gain anything back. So every now and then I will gain a couple of lbs, and I get a bit stricter and they come right off.
Just make sure you get enough protein, stay under 20 carbs a day and keep an eye on your fat intake.
Low carb high fat doesn't mean you can keep eating a lot of fat. All in moderation. If you find you stall, look at fat intake and adjust.
Something that helped me tremendously is to add EVERYTHING I eat/drink in the app myfitnesspal.
ETA, there are a bunch of facebook pages with information and recipes. Also if you have pintrest you will find a lot there.
The biggest thing I missed in the beginning was bread and pasta. There are a bunch of bread recipes with almond flour that taste alright. Haven't found anything to swap for pasta, but really don't miss it at all now.
good luck, and if you have questions let us know. There are plenty of people out there that can and will help!
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yes, started this time last year. I stayed under 20 carbs a day and lost 45lbs before summer. Since then I've been figuring out how much (or little) carbs I can safely eat and not gain anything back. So every now and then I will gain a couple of lbs, and I get a bit stricter and they come right off.
Just make sure you get enough protein, stay under 20 carbs a day and keep an eye on your fat intake.
Low carb high fat doesn't mean you can keep eating a lot of fat. All in moderation. If you find you stall, look at fat intake and adjust.
Something that helped me tremendously is to add EVERYTHING I eat/drink in the app myfitnesspal.
ETA, there are a bunch of facebook pages with information and recipes. Also if you have pintrest you will find a lot there.
The biggest thing I missed in the beginning was bread and pasta. There are a bunch of bread recipes with almond flour that taste alright. Haven't found anything to swap for pasta, but really don't miss it at all now.
good luck, and if you have questions let us know. There are plenty of people out there that can and will help!
Spiralized vegetables like zoodles (zucchini) and shredded baked spaghetti squash are not as tasty as real noodles, but when you add a meat sauce over them or stir fry them up, they're pretty hard to beat, IMO!
OP, there's a ton of keto recipes on Pinterest, if you ever get stuck in a rut repeating the same meals over and over!
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| Me... but I'm not a high fat Keto-er. I have found there are a few different versions of what is "keto" out there. I'm low carb/adequate protein/moderate fat and eating at a calorie deficit. Love it.. once you have the mindset, it honestly hasn't felt restrictive at all.
Someone up above mentioned feeling terrible/keto flu... it's electrolytes! Have to up your salt and sodium.. it's like magic. 
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | Dodge629 - 2018-01-18 9:22 AM
Me... but I'm not a high fat Keto-er. I have found there are a few different versions of what is "keto" out there. I'm low carb/adequate protein/moderate fat and eating at a calorie deficit. Love it.. once you have the mindset, it honestly hasn't felt restrictive at all.
Someone up above mentioned feeling terrible/keto flu... it's electrolytes! Have to up your salt and sodium.. it's like magic.
What Can I eat or take Daily to prevent getting the keto flu
Eta: I drink a lot of the Powerade zeros
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | RnRJack - 2018-01-18 11:12 AM Dodge629 - 2018-01-18 9:22 AM Me... but I'm not a high fat Keto-er. I have found there are a few different versions of what is "keto" out there. I'm low carb/adequate protein/moderate fat and eating at a calorie deficit. Love it.. once you have the mindset, it honestly hasn't felt restrictive at all.
Someone up above mentioned feeling terrible/keto flu... it's electrolytes! Have to up your salt and sodium.. it's like magic.
What Can I eat or take Daily to prevent getting the keto flu
Cinnamon Sugar Toast.
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| I was a Keto-er last year from February to August. I was hard core too- had the blood strip monitor and did 20 carbs or less with a high carb cycle day here and there. It wasn't for me, for the following reasons:
1) A lot of Keto recipes are heavy on dairy- sour cream, cream cheese, cheese etc. Made me feel bloated and yucky. You of course can do Keto without dairy- which is what I should have done. I also should have stayed away from processed meats. But again- so many Keto recipes are heavy on these items.
2) It changed my hormones DRAMATICALLY. I had no idea how much a low carb diet can affect your hormones until I started researching. I was moody, lots of other "hormonal" issues. I became allergic to foods that had never bothered me before. My Thyroid became enlarged and I had a lot of anxiety issues
3) I couldn't sleep and had a lot of issued with heart palpatations. Tried electrolytes, numerous supplements, several doctors visits hooked up to an EKG.
4) It severely affected my metabolism. After I quit Keto, I gained 20 lbs like THAT. I am just now getting my metabolism back after starting on some new products.
I do carry over some things I learned from Keto/Bulletproof diet: I always add collagen to my coffee in the morning, and cook with Kerrygold butter. I also stick to higher fat grassfed beef and use stevia only for sweetener. I am moreso back to Paleo and working out, I add several supplements in the mornign and at night and haven't felt better!
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| Just out of curiosity, I’ve done a little research on the Ketogenic diet and wasn’t impressed with what I found. Yes, it does help you lose body weight quickly, but it does not help you lose FAT.
The point of the ketogenic diet is to keep the body in a state of ketosis by eating low carb/high fat diet and when this happens your body supposedly becomes super-efficient at burning fat for energy and you can quickly drop 5-7lbs…
What you need to understand, is that after eating carbs, your body breaks them down to glucose, which enters the bloodstream and what isn’t used for energy is stored as glycogen in your liver and muscles. Glycogen is stored with 3-4 parts water, so every gram of glycogen stored in your liver and muscles comes with 3-4 grams of water. Depending on your diet and exercise levels, your body can store 300-700grams (or more) glycogen, add 2000g water with that and you get roughly 5.5lbs. Going on a keto diet and reducing carb intake reduces the whole body glycogen levels, which would flush out the large amount of water as well. This accounts for the rapid drop of body weight in first week or two – but it is NOT a rapid reduction in body fat.
The keto diet is basically just another low carb/high fat fad diet, which is totally unrealistic for long term use, unless you enjoy feeling like sh!t, depriving yourself, and not having any energy. Contrary to what is on Pinterest, you don’t turn into a keto fat blasting machine, and unfortunately, there are a lot of disadvantages to low carb/high fat diets:
It is easier to overeat on a low carb diet. Carbs have a significant impact on satiety, whereas dietary fats don’t. Eat a bunch of fibrous carbs and you will feel full for a quite a while. Eat a bunch of dietary fat and you won’t. Dietary fat is really energy dense too; it contains about 9 calories per gram compared to carbs 4 calories. So it is easy to see how you can over eat on a high-fat diet. Low carb dieters have more hunger issues and struggle more with controlling calorie intake vs high carb dieters. They also have problems with low energy levels as well. It is well known that low carb diets increase fatigue and perceived effort during exercise.
You build less muscle on a low carb diet because you reduce the amount of glycogen stored in the muscles and building muscle is the best way to lose weight! Also, when glycogen levels are low, post workout muscle repair is impaired.
If you look at professional sports, there are no low-carb diets - it’s because they suck for athletic performance. And I’m not just talking about just high performance athletes, it’s anyone that is involved in periods of low intensity and high intensity activity, which horse riding/training totally falls under.
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| RnRJack - 2018-01-18 9:12 AM Dodge629 - 2018-01-18 9:22 AM Me... but I'm not a high fat Keto-er. I have found there are a few different versions of what is "keto" out there. I'm low carb/adequate protein/moderate fat and eating at a calorie deficit. Love it.. once you have the mindset, it honestly hasn't felt restrictive at all.
Someone up above mentioned feeling terrible/keto flu... it's electrolytes! Have to up your salt and sodium.. it's like magic.
What Can I eat or take Daily to prevent getting the keto flu Eta: I drink a lot of the Powerade zeros
I love Powerade Zero but the amount of electrolytes in it is basically nothing compared to what you need. I've always liked salt anyway, so I salt my food as wanted and drink bouillon broth if I feel like I'm low. I've never had it bad, so that has been sufficient for me, but a lot of people salt their water or take supplements. | |
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| veintiocho - 2018-01-18 9:33 AM Just out of curiosity, I’ve done a little research on the Ketogenic diet and wasn’t impressed with what I found. Yes, it does help you lose body weight quickly, but it does not help you lose FAT. The point of the ketogenic diet is to keep the body in a state of ketosis by eating low carb/high fat diet and when this happens your body supposedly becomes super-efficient at burning fat for energy and you can quickly drop 5-7lbs… What you need to understand, is that after eating carbs, your body breaks them down to glucose, which enters the bloodstream and what isn’t used for energy is stored as glycogen in your liver and muscles. Glycogen is stored with 3-4 parts water, so every gram of glycogen stored in your liver and muscles comes with 3-4 grams of water. Depending on your diet and exercise levels, your body can store 300-700grams (or more) glycogen, add 2000g water with that and you get roughly 5.5lbs. Going on a keto diet and reducing carb intake reduces the whole body glycogen levels, which would flush out the large amount of water as well. This accounts for the rapid drop of body weight in first week or two – but it is NOT a rapid reduction in body fat. The keto diet is basically just another low carb/high fat fad diet, which is totally unrealistic for long term use, unless you enjoy feeling like sh!t, depriving yourself, and not having any energy. Contrary to what is on Pinterest, you don’t turn into a keto fat blasting machine, and unfortunately, there are a lot of disadvantages to low carb/high fat diets: It is easier to overeat on a low carb diet. Carbs have a significant impact on satiety, whereas dietary fats don’t. Eat a bunch of fibrous carbs and you will feel full for a quite a while. Eat a bunch of dietary fat and you won’t. Dietary fat is really energy dense too; it contains about 9 calories per gram compared to carbs 4 calories. So it is easy to see how you can over eat on a high-fat diet. Low carb dieters have more hunger issues and struggle more with controlling calorie intake vs high carb dieters. They also have problems with low energy levels as well. It is well known that low carb diets increase fatigue and perceived effort during exercise. You build less muscle on a low carb diet because you reduce the amount of glycogen stored in the muscles and building muscle is the best way to lose weight! Also, when glycogen levels are low, post workout muscle repair is impaired. If you look at professional sports, there are no low-carb diets - it’s because they suck for athletic performance. And I’m not just talking about just high performance athletes, it’s anyone that is involved in periods of low intensity and high intensity activity, which horse riding/training totally falls under.
This is all based on which "keto diet" you choose to follow. I don't follow a high fat diet period. And I've gone from needing to eat on a regular basis to "forgetting" to eat or unconsciously intermittent fasting because I feel satisfied 90% more than I ever did eating carbs. And I actually take in way less calories without feeling hungry. The Keto way of eating I do follows the science that if you have body fat to lose you do NOT need to eat more fat. You restrict carbs, eat adequate protein to maintain your muscle mass, and use fat as needed while eating at a healthy calorie deficit. More energy, no brain fog, no afternoon slump... | |
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| Dodge629 - 2018-01-18 10:41 AM
veintiocho - 2018-01-18 9:33 AM Just out of curiosity, I’ve done a little research on the Ketogenic diet and wasn’t impressed with what I found. Yes, it does help you lose body weight quickly, but it does not help you lose FAT. The point of the ketogenic diet is to keep the body in a state of ketosis by eating low carb/high fat diet and when this happens your body supposedly becomes super-efficient at burning fat for energy and you can quickly drop 5-7lbs… What you need to understand, is that after eating carbs, your body breaks them down to glucose, which enters the bloodstream and what isn’t used for energy is stored as glycogen in your liver and muscles. Glycogen is stored with 3-4 parts water, so every gram of glycogen stored in your liver and muscles comes with 3-4 grams of water. Depending on your diet and exercise levels, your body can store 300-700grams (or more) glycogen, add 2000g water with that and you get roughly 5.5lbs. Going on a keto diet and reducing carb intake reduces the whole body glycogen levels, which would flush out the large amount of water as well. This accounts for the rapid drop of body weight in first week or two – but it is NOT a rapid reduction in body fat. The keto diet is basically just another low carb/high fat fad diet, which is totally unrealistic for long term use, unless you enjoy feeling like sh!t, depriving yourself, and not having any energy. Contrary to what is on Pinterest, you don’t turn into a keto fat blasting machine, and unfortunately, there are a lot of disadvantages to low carb/high fat diets: It is easier to overeat on a low carb diet. Carbs have a significant impact on satiety, whereas dietary fats don’t. Eat a bunch of fibrous carbs and you will feel full for a quite a while. Eat a bunch of dietary fat and you won’t. Dietary fat is really energy dense too; it contains about 9 calories per gram compared to carbs 4 calories. So it is easy to see how you can over eat on a high-fat diet. Low carb dieters have more hunger issues and struggle more with controlling calorie intake vs high carb dieters. They also have problems with low energy levels as well. It is well known that low carb diets increase fatigue and perceived effort during exercise. You build less muscle on a low carb diet because you reduce the amount of glycogen stored in the muscles and building muscle is the best way to lose weight! Also, when glycogen levels are low, post workout muscle repair is impaired. If you look at professional sports, there are no low-carb diets - it’s because they suck for athletic performance. And I’m not just talking about just high performance athletes, it’s anyone that is involved in periods of low intensity and high intensity activity, which horse riding/training totally falls under.
This is all based on which "keto diet" you choose to follow. I don't follow a high fat diet period. And I've gone from needing to eat on a regular basis to "forgetting" to eat or unconsciously intermittent fasting because I feel satisfied 90% more than I ever did eating carbs. And I actually take in way less calories without feeling hungry. The Keto way of eating I do follows the science that if you have body fat to lose you do NOT need to eat more fat. You restrict carbs, eat adequate protein to maintain your muscle mass, and use fat as needed while eating at a healthy calorie deficit. More energy, no brain fog, no afternoon slump...
Do you mind if I ask what % your carb/fats/proteins are at currently? What is your daily meal plan look like? | |
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Location: North Dakota | RnRJack - 2018-01-17 4:40 PM Realized after this weekend I need to make some major changes, I have a 14.3 hand horse that is very quick and catty and if I want to be able to really reach her potential I need to shed some lbs and get stronger in my core. My friend told me about the keto diet and I researched it thoroughly, it’s been 3 days now with NO bread at all and I’m doing well. Has anyone else done this diet and had success on it? Pros and cons?
Ultimately, you need to find something that works for you and something you can stick with long term. Diet changes need to be lifestyle changes ... or you'll fall off the wagon eventually again!
In all honesty, it's just about eating clean. And teaching yourself WHY you are making certain food choices and how it affects your body.
I know someone who has been very successful with the keto diet. Again, if something does work for you and you can stick it out, great. Do it.
I found great success with the 21 Day Fix when I needed to lose the baby weight after my first pregnancy. (Currently pregnant with #2 and will be doing the same thing this time around!) I'd say it's pretty low carb too because that is where a lot of your calories will come from, but the bigger thing was how CLEAN you ate and WHAT you ate .... and WHEN. Lots of protein from good sources, also making sure you got your good fats, lots of veggies, limit fruit (they are sugary, after all), and limit carbs (and only eat the "good" ones).
Of course, I did the 21 Day Fix longer than 21 days but I've never felt so GOOD in my life. I wasn't hungry, and I had tons of energy, and just plain felt good. It actually made me crave continuing to make good food choices, because I could tell if I ate something out of the norm because I wouldn't feel good after.
I was lighter that I had been since high school (although the number on the scale didn't matter to much for me) but my pre-pregnancy jeans and clothes were too loose. It probably took me a good year to attain it, but slow and steady is the key!
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Location: TEXAS | When my husband was doing this, he came up with Gout in his big toe. turns out after more research, lack of carbs causes many problems, gout being one of them. Our body needs carbs and unless you plan on having the will power to do it the rest of your life, it will all come back the minute you stop. Watching your carb intake is good, anything in excess isn't good for you and will cause weight gain. Exercise and eating right if the best rule of thumb.
You can also check out lifewave patches they have to curb cravings and appetite. I love their products for people and horses!!
https://lifewave.com/corporphan/store/product/38001.022.001/?categoryViewname=patches | |
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| veintiocho - 2018-01-18 9:49 AM Dodge629 - 2018-01-18 10:41 AM veintiocho - 2018-01-18 9:33 AM Just out of curiosity, I’ve done a little research on the Ketogenic diet and wasn’t impressed with what I found. Yes, it does help you lose body weight quickly, but it does not help you lose FAT. The point of the ketogenic diet is to keep the body in a state of ketosis by eating low carb/high fat diet and when this happens your body supposedly becomes super-efficient at burning fat for energy and you can quickly drop 5-7lbs… What you need to understand, is that after eating carbs, your body breaks them down to glucose, which enters the bloodstream and what isn’t used for energy is stored as glycogen in your liver and muscles. Glycogen is stored with 3-4 parts water, so every gram of glycogen stored in your liver and muscles comes with 3-4 grams of water. Depending on your diet and exercise levels, your body can store 300-700grams (or more) glycogen, add 2000g water with that and you get roughly 5.5lbs. Going on a keto diet and reducing carb intake reduces the whole body glycogen levels, which would flush out the large amount of water as well. This accounts for the rapid drop of body weight in first week or two – but it is NOT a rapid reduction in body fat. The keto diet is basically just another low carb/high fat fad diet, which is totally unrealistic for long term use, unless you enjoy feeling like sh!t, depriving yourself, and not having any energy. Contrary to what is on Pinterest, you don’t turn into a keto fat blasting machine, and unfortunately, there are a lot of disadvantages to low carb/high fat diets: It is easier to overeat on a low carb diet. Carbs have a significant impact on satiety, whereas dietary fats don’t. Eat a bunch of fibrous carbs and you will feel full for a quite a while. Eat a bunch of dietary fat and you won’t. Dietary fat is really energy dense too; it contains about 9 calories per gram compared to carbs 4 calories. So it is easy to see how you can over eat on a high-fat diet. Low carb dieters have more hunger issues and struggle more with controlling calorie intake vs high carb dieters. They also have problems with low energy levels as well. It is well known that low carb diets increase fatigue and perceived effort during exercise. You build less muscle on a low carb diet because you reduce the amount of glycogen stored in the muscles and building muscle is the best way to lose weight! Also, when glycogen levels are low, post workout muscle repair is impaired. If you look at professional sports, there are no low-carb diets - it’s because they suck for athletic performance. And I’m not just talking about just high performance athletes, it’s anyone that is involved in periods of low intensity and high intensity activity, which horse riding/training totally falls under. This is all based on which "keto diet" you choose to follow. I don't follow a high fat diet period. And I've gone from needing to eat on a regular basis to "forgetting" to eat or unconsciously intermittent fasting because I feel satisfied 90% more than I ever did eating carbs. And I actually take in way less calories without feeling hungry. The Keto way of eating I do follows the science that if you have body fat to lose you do NOT need to eat more fat. You restrict carbs, eat adequate protein to maintain your muscle mass, and use fat as needed while eating at a healthy calorie deficit. More energy, no brain fog, no afternoon slump... Do you mind if I ask what % your carb/fats/proteins are at currently? What is your daily meal plan look like?
I'm a lazy keto-er... I don't track, but I know if my head what I'm aiming for which is 20-25 net carbs and 130g protein in about a 1400 calorie range. 7C/58F/36P is supposed to be my true macros, but I don't track fat really at all because I tend to eat lower fat by habit. I have a couple eggs for breakfast every morning, coffee, usually a keto friendly soup or casserole I make to take for lunch all week, and usually a high protein supper... chicken, steak, pork, fish and green veggies, mushrooms, etc. I don't snack much, try to limit nuts and cheese because of the high fat/calorie content. And I'm lactose intolerant so very little other dairy. | |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | I've been on it since July. I am in Maint. Now so I can have a cheat here or there. I lost 30 pounds of fat in six weeks.
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| Dodge629 - 2018-01-18 9:22 AM
Me... but I'm not a high fat Keto-er. I have found there are a few different versions of what is "keto" out there. I'm low carb/adequate protein/moderate fat and eating at a calorie deficit. Love it.. once you have the mindset, it honestly hasn't felt restrictive at all.
Someone up above mentioned feeling terrible/keto flu... it's electrolytes! Have to up your salt and sodium.. it's like magic.
Nice try, I drank Powerade zero and supplemented sodium/bullion like it was my job - when I felt like crap I did actually go google and figure it what was off because so many people claim to feel more fabulous than ever on a keto diet. Not saying they dont, but to make a blanket statement that it works for EVERYONE is also wrong.
Did it work for me? If I’m only looking at the scale yes, it did. I was already eating clean and had plateau’d in weight loss so I decided to give keto a try. It did jump start my weight loss again, but it also made me feel like sh!t for far longer than it should have, made me moody, no energy - after 6-8 weeks I called it quits.
My husband likes me better when I have carbs. I have them in moderation. I use quinoa, low carb wraps, green leafy veg, fruits like bananas that have other benefits and higher fiber. I end up around 100-150 net carbs a day. That’s still low carb, but if I pulled out the keto test strips I probably wouldn’t be in a true state of ketosis. | |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | OhMax - 2018-01-18 12:07 PM Dodge629 - 2018-01-18 9:22 AM Me... but I'm not a high fat Keto-er. I have found there are a few different versions of what is "keto" out there. I'm low carb/adequate protein/moderate fat and eating at a calorie deficit. Love it.. once you have the mindset, it honestly hasn't felt restrictive at all.
Someone up above mentioned feeling terrible/keto flu... it's electrolytes! Have to up your salt and sodium.. it's like magic.
Nice try, I drank Powerade zero and supplemented sodium/bullion like it was my job - when I felt like crap I did actually go google and figure it what was off because so many people claim to feel more fabulous than ever on a keto diet. Not saying they dont, but to make a blanket statement that it works for EVERYONE is also wrong. Did it work for me? If I’m only looking at the scale yes, it did. I was already eating clean and had plateau’d in weight loss so I decided to give keto a try. It did jump start my weight loss again, but it also made me feel like sh!t for far longer than it should have, made me moody, no energy - after 6-8 weeks I called it quits. My husband likes me better when I have carbs. I have them in moderation. I use quinoa, low carb wraps, green leafy veg, fruits like bananas that have other benefits and higher fiber. I end up around 100-150 net carbs a day. That’s still low carb, but if I pulled out the keto test strips I probably wouldn’t be in a true state of ketosis.
I supplement with sodium, magnesium, potassium, and probiotics.
Powerade zero, pickle juice etc doens't supplement you long. Most people will quit keto during the keto flu because the powerade zero or pickle juice doesn't help and for some it doens't work. If you take the above supplements daily for the first few weeks of keto you should feel a bit better.
also would like to add that most premade foods have hidden ingredients such as sugar that will throw you out of ketosis. So when you don't have the sugary food the next few days you will go through the keto flu again. It was my motivation during the first 6 weeks to not cheat, even once. Now I have Friday or Saturday cheat meals. It usually doesn't affect me much now. Although I have noticed that if I have amargarita while eating out I get a buzz much MUCH faster than before. A few sips in and I'm passing it off to my friends. LOL | |
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| OhMax - 2018-01-18 11:07 AM Dodge629 - 2018-01-18 9:22 AM Me... but I'm not a high fat Keto-er. I have found there are a few different versions of what is "keto" out there. I'm low carb/adequate protein/moderate fat and eating at a calorie deficit. Love it.. once you have the mindset, it honestly hasn't felt restrictive at all.
Someone up above mentioned feeling terrible/keto flu... it's electrolytes! Have to up your salt and sodium.. it's like magic.
Nice try, I drank Powerade zero and supplemented sodium/bullion like it was my job - when I felt like crap I did actually go google and figure it what was off because so many people claim to feel more fabulous than ever on a keto diet. Not saying they dont, but to make a blanket statement that it works for EVERYONE is also wrong. Did it work for me? If I’m only looking at the scale yes, it did. I was already eating clean and had plateau’d in weight loss so I decided to give keto a try. It did jump start my weight loss again, but it also made me feel like sh!t for far longer than it should have, made me moody, no energy - after 6-8 weeks I called it quits. My husband likes me better when I have carbs. I have them in moderation. I use quinoa, low carb wraps, green leafy veg, fruits like bananas that have other benefits and higher fiber. I end up around 100-150 net carbs a day. That’s still low carb, but if I pulled out the keto test strips I probably wouldn’t be in a true state of ketosis.
I didn't say it works for everyone. Most people don't realize an electrolyte imbalance so I was sharing information, sorry it wasn't for you. | |
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https://www.facebook.com/groups/658084947665356/
This one was started by a family friend. https://www.facebook.com/groups/1197648687036702/
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| IRunOnFaith - 2018-01-18 12:13 PM OhMax - 2018-01-18 12:07 PM Dodge629 - 2018-01-18 9:22 AM Me... but I'm not a high fat Keto-er. I have found there are a few different versions of what is "keto" out there. I'm low carb/adequate protein/moderate fat and eating at a calorie deficit. Love it.. once you have the mindset, it honestly hasn't felt restrictive at all.
Someone up above mentioned feeling terrible/keto flu... it's electrolytes! Have to up your salt and sodium.. it's like magic.
Nice try, I drank Powerade zero and supplemented sodium/bullion like it was my job - when I felt like crap I did actually go google and figure it what was off because so many people claim to feel more fabulous than ever on a keto diet. Not saying they dont, but to make a blanket statement that it works for EVERYONE is also wrong. Did it work for me? If I’m only looking at the scale yes, it did. I was already eating clean and had plateau’d in weight loss so I decided to give keto a try. It did jump start my weight loss again, but it also made me feel like sh!t for far longer than it should have, made me moody, no energy - after 6-8 weeks I called it quits. My husband likes me better when I have carbs. I have them in moderation. I use quinoa, low carb wraps, green leafy veg, fruits like bananas that have other benefits and higher fiber. I end up around 100-150 net carbs a day. That’s still low carb, but if I pulled out the keto test strips I probably wouldn’t be in a true state of ketosis.
Powerade zero, pickle juice etc doens't supplement you long. Most people will quit keto during the keto flu because the powerade zero or pickle juice doesn't help and for some it doens't work. If you take the above supplements daily for the first few weeks of keto you should feel a bit better.
also would like to add that most premade foods have hidden ingredients such as sugar that will throw you out of ketosis. So when you don't have the sugary food the next few days you will go through the keto flu again. It was my motivation during the first 6 weeks to not cheat, even once. Now I have Friday or Saturday cheat meals. It usually doesn't affect me much now. Although I have noticed that if I have amargarita while eating out I get a buzz much MUCH faster than before. A few sips in and I'm passing it off to my friends. LOL
This is another reason I quit lol- I couldn't get thru a glass of wine without being drunk! And I like wine! And same with coffee- I like to grind my own beans and make good coffee- I could get thru a cup without my heart racing and feeling dizzy!
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| My boss has been doing the Keto diet for a little over 3 months now! He dropped weight incredibly fast at first...he has now slowly added some things back in to his diet, and he is going to the gym also now. Soon as he added a little back in to his diet, he has started gaining some old weight back. He says that he feels pretty good though! I personally do the paleo diet, and prefer this over Keto. There's nothing you need to "supplement" that you would otherwise be lacking, so in my mind this is a healthier option. Either way, just eating healthier and exercising you will notice a big difference, mentally and physically =] | |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | veintiocho - 2018-01-18 10:33 AM
Just out of curiosity, I’ve done a little research on the Ketogenic diet and wasn’t impressed with what I found. Yes, it does help you lose body weight quickly, but it does not help you lose FAT.
The point of the ketogenic diet is to keep the body in a state of ketosis by eating low carb/high fat diet and when this happens your body supposedly becomes super-efficient at burning fat for energy and you can quickly drop 5-7lbs…
What you need to understand, is that after eating carbs, your body breaks them down to glucose, which enters the bloodstream and what isn’t used for energy is stored as glycogen in your liver and muscles. Glycogen is stored with 3-4 parts water, so every gram of glycogen stored in your liver and muscles comes with 3-4 grams of water. Depending on your diet and exercise levels, your body can store 300-700grams (or more) glycogen, add 2000g water with that and you get roughly 5.5lbs. Going on a keto diet and reducing carb intake reduces the whole body glycogen levels, which would flush out the large amount of water as well. This accounts for the rapid drop of body weight in first week or two – but it is NOT a rapid reduction in body fat.
The keto diet is basically just another low carb/high fat fad diet, which is totally unrealistic for long term use, unless you enjoy feeling like sh!t, depriving yourself, and not having any energy. Contrary to what is on Pinterest, you don’t turn into a keto fat blasting machine, and unfortunately, there are a lot of disadvantages to low carb/high fat diets:
It is easier to overeat on a low carb diet. Carbs have a significant impact on satiety, whereas dietary fats don’t. Eat a bunch of fibrous carbs and you will feel full for a quite a while. Eat a bunch of dietary fat and you won’t. Dietary fat is really energy dense too; it contains about 9 calories per gram compared to carbs 4 calories. So it is easy to see how you can over eat on a high-fat diet. Low carb dieters have more hunger issues and struggle more with controlling calorie intake vs high carb dieters. They also have problems with low energy levels as well. It is well known that low carb diets increase fatigue and perceived effort during exercise.
You build less muscle on a low carb diet because you reduce the amount of glycogen stored in the muscles and building muscle is the best way to lose weight! Also, when glycogen levels are low, post workout muscle repair is impaired.
If you look at professional sports, there are no low-carb diets - it’s because they suck for athletic performance. And I’m not just talking about just high performance athletes, it’s anyone that is involved in periods of low intensity and high intensity activity, which horse riding/training totally falls under.
Thank you, I’ve been reading up on it as well and a lot of it seems bad for you! Also worried about kidney and liver issues as I’ve had kidney issues as a child! I’m pretty active too, I play softball once a week, ride 4-7 days a week and go to the gym, so I need something to keep my body fueled and I don’t want to lack energy! | |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | RnRJack - 2018-01-18 2:32 PM veintiocho - 2018-01-18 10:33 AM Just out of curiosity, I’ve done a little research on the Ketogenic diet and wasn’t impressed with what I found. Yes, it does help you lose body weight quickly, but it does not help you lose FAT. The point of the ketogenic diet is to keep the body in a state of ketosis by eating low carb/high fat diet and when this happens your body supposedly becomes super-efficient at burning fat for energy and you can quickly drop 5-7lbs… What you need to understand, is that after eating carbs, your body breaks them down to glucose, which enters the bloodstream and what isn’t used for energy is stored as glycogen in your liver and muscles. Glycogen is stored with 3-4 parts water, so every gram of glycogen stored in your liver and muscles comes with 3-4 grams of water. Depending on your diet and exercise levels, your body can store 300-700grams (or more) glycogen, add 2000g water with that and you get roughly 5.5lbs. Going on a keto diet and reducing carb intake reduces the whole body glycogen levels, which would flush out the large amount of water as well. This accounts for the rapid drop of body weight in first week or two – but it is NOT a rapid reduction in body fat. The keto diet is basically just another low carb/high fat fad diet, which is totally unrealistic for long term use, unless you enjoy feeling like sh!t, depriving yourself, and not having any energy. Contrary to what is on Pinterest, you don’t turn into a keto fat blasting machine, and unfortunately, there are a lot of disadvantages to low carb/high fat diets: It is easier to overeat on a low carb diet. Carbs have a significant impact on satiety, whereas dietary fats don’t. Eat a bunch of fibrous carbs and you will feel full for a quite a while. Eat a bunch of dietary fat and you won’t. Dietary fat is really energy dense too; it contains about 9 calories per gram compared to carbs 4 calories. So it is easy to see how you can over eat on a high-fat diet. Low carb dieters have more hunger issues and struggle more with controlling calorie intake vs high carb dieters. They also have problems with low energy levels as well. It is well known that low carb diets increase fatigue and perceived effort during exercise. You build less muscle on a low carb diet because you reduce the amount of glycogen stored in the muscles and building muscle is the best way to lose weight! Also, when glycogen levels are low, post workout muscle repair is impaired. If you look at professional sports, there are no low-carb diets - it’s because they suck for athletic performance. And I’m not just talking about just high performance athletes, it’s anyone that is involved in periods of low intensity and high intensity activity, which horse riding/training totally falls under. Thank you, I’ve been reading up on it as well and a lot of it seems bad for you! Also worried about kidney and liver issues as I’ve had kidney issues as a child! I’m pretty active too, I play softball once a week, ride 4-7 days a week and go to the gym, so I need something to keep my body fueled and I don’t want to lack energy!
You will lack energy at max for about 2 or 3 days.
Your body can either run off fat for fuel or off carbs for fuel.
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Location: Oklahoma | What is the difference in the atkins diet and keto? and then I seen the Shepard's diet pretty much the same as the atkins diet. | |
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Location: CTX | madredepeanut - 2018-01-17 9:05 PM cranky B4 10am - 2018-01-17 6:26 PM yes, started this time last year. I stayed under 20 carbs a day and lost 45lbs before summer. Since then I've been figuring out how much (or little) carbs I can safely eat and not gain anything back. So every now and then I will gain a couple of lbs, and I get a bit stricter and they come right off.
Just make sure you get enough protein, stay under 20 carbs a day and keep an eye on your fat intake.
Low carb high fat doesn't mean you can keep eating a lot of fat. All in moderation. If you find you stall, look at fat intake and adjust.
Something that helped me tremendously is to add EVERYTHING I eat/drink in the app myfitnesspal.
ETA, there are a bunch of facebook pages with information and recipes. Also if you have pintrest you will find a lot there.
The biggest thing I missed in the beginning was bread and pasta. There are a bunch of bread recipes with almond flour that taste alright. Haven't found anything to swap for pasta, but really don't miss it at all now.
good luck, and if you have questions let us know. There are plenty of people out there that can and will help!
Spiralized vegetables like zoodles (zucchini ) and shredded baked spaghetti squash are not as tasty as real noodles, but when you add a meat sauce over them or stir fry them up, they're pretty hard to beat, IMO! OP, there's a ton of keto recipes on Pinterest, if you ever get stuck in a rut repeating the same meals over and over!
Oh, and I have never felt lack of energy while doing keto. But you have to keep your protein up, and if you go through the keto flu you have to up your sodium intake. The first couple of weeks I would take half of a cube of chicken or beef flavored bouillon in water and that helped a lot.
All I can say is that this is the only thing that helped me lose weight and keep it off without much effort..... And I've tried them all, pills, shakes, bread diet, fasting.... Honestly, the only extra effort I put into this is that I have to cook more.... before I would stick something in the microwave and nuke it...
It does require you to change your eating habits, but it is soooo worth it. (well, I think so anyway....)
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| IRunOnFaith - 2018-01-18 12:13 PM
OhMax - 2018-01-18 12:07 PM Dodge629 - 2018-01-18 9:22 AM Me... but I'm not a high fat Keto-er. I have found there are a few different versions of what is "keto" out there. I'm low carb/adequate protein/moderate fat and eating at a calorie deficit. Love it.. once you have the mindset, it honestly hasn't felt restrictive at all.
Someone up above mentioned feeling terrible/keto flu... it's electrolytes! Have to up your salt and sodium.. it's like magic.
Nice try, I drank Powerade zero and supplemented sodium/bullion like it was my job - when I felt like crap I did actually go google and figure it what was off because so many people claim to feel more fabulous than ever on a keto diet. Not saying they dont, but to make a blanket statement that it works for EVERYONE is also wrong. Did it work for me? If I’m only looking at the scale yes, it did. I was already eating clean and had plateau’d in weight loss so I decided to give keto a try. It did jump start my weight loss again, but it also made me feel like sh!t for far longer than it should have, made me moody, no energy - after 6-8 weeks I called it quits. My husband likes me better when I have carbs. I have them in moderation. I use quinoa, low carb wraps, green leafy veg, fruits like bananas that have other benefits and higher fiber. I end up around 100-150 net carbs a day. That’s still low carb, but if I pulled out the keto test strips I probably wouldn’t be in a true state of ketosis.
Powerade zero, pickle juice etc doens't supplement you long. Most people will quit keto during the keto flu because the powerade zero or pickle juice doesn't help and for some it doens't work. If you take the above supplements daily for the first few weeks of keto you should feel a bit better.
also would like to add that most premade foods have hidden ingredients such as sugar that will throw you out of ketosis. So when you don't have the sugary food the next few days you will go through the keto flu again. It was my motivation during the first 6 weeks to not cheat, even once. Now I have Friday or Saturday cheat meals. It usually doesn't affect me much now. Although I have noticed that if I have amargarita while eating out I get a buzz much MUCH faster than before. A few sips in and I'm passing it off to my friends. LOL
I already eat very clean with near zero prepackaged stuff, I love to cook from scratch so that wasn’t an issue, I knew exactly what was going into my food.
Part of my problem and why I do speak out when the topic comes up is that when I was struggling with it all ANYONE could say in the numerous support FB groups I was in was basically what was said here - drink Powerade, electrolytes, broth, whatever. Everyone acted like this diet was a wonderful magic bullet for everyone and I’d be half my size (exaggeration) in no time - no one was willing to say hey it might not be for you, don’t feel like a failure because you’re following it to a T and having terribly hormonal swings, crying for no reason (not normal for me!) having to force yourself to get out of your chair and go do something, not recovering from workouts nearly as well, and generally feeling like crap. Mind you this was not during the initial “keto flu” period, this was well over a month maybe 2 into it. It was like the flu period never went away and kept getting worse.
I like to know what I’m getting into and I struggled with these problems thinking I was doing something wrong to the point of getting neurotic about my food, scary in itself as someone with friends who have had eating disorders, because there was no one speaking up. Finally I mentioned it in a workout based group, not a keto based group, and someone spoke up about the exact same issues, plus others that she had with it. It was so nice to hear that I wasn’t alone in not getting along with the diet.
I kind of told myself at that point I wasn’t going to be silent and smile and nod when the topic came up - if it works for you and you feel great good! But if it doesn’t don’t feel like you failed or you’re a failure or you’re doing something wrong. Eat some good clean carbs in moderation and be happy. | |
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Location: Somewhere around here | OhMax - 2018-01-17 7:22 PM
I did it for about 6 weeks last winter. I did lose weight. I also felt like crud. Even after the initial “keto flu” period they talk about. I did think about doing it again this winter to shed some holiday lbs, but I just don’t think my body accepted it well. By the numbers I was doing everything correctly.
I try to keep my lean protein high and my carbs complex. I could do better, but I’m slowly getting back to my mid summer weight, so there’s that.
I did one a few years back, trying to lose my 1st baby weight. Was on it for about 2 weeks but I felt awful the whole time. Saw results, but I pretty sure it was just be getting dehydrated from all the flu potty breaks I was taking. I eventually lost my baby weight after I stopped breast feeding but then came pregnancy #2. Then baby came and she's going to be a year old next month, and I'm 3lbs away from my pre-pregnancy weight and 8lbs away from my ultimate goal weight. The biggest thing that helped me was eating a lot more veggies, less processed food, and making better choices. I'm pretty sure I'll never go on a diet again and just eat whatever I want, in a healthy sense, and in moderation. I switched from milk chocolate to 90% dark chocolate and just lost the taste for overly sweet things that are so popular on the US. | |
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Location: Illinois | I got sucked into the Xyngular scam a few years ago, lost about 8lbs within the first 2 weeks eating 25 net carbs a day. It wasn't as big of a fad diet as it is now. Doctor explained many reasons why a keto diet is really bad long term, so I quit. Introduced carbs back slowly at 50 net carbs a day and gained 15lbs in less than a week so I was worse off than when I started. A doctor prescribed low carb diet is 40 net carbs per meal, so its very extreme. With the high fat route, your body typically burns the fat you're consuming, not the fat that's already made its home on your thighs or midsection, making it a little counterproductive at times. Keto diets eat a lot of muscle and if done long term can out your body into starvation mode. Now my doctor is also a nutritionist and made a valid point, muscles need carbs as fuel. Protein doesn't fuel your muscle fibers, it helps repair them. This is why a lot of long term keto people are finding they have less stamina and are weaker, can't life as much. My barn owner has done it for over a year, lost significant weight on the scale but has only gone down one clothes size and can no longer pick up a 60lb hay bale. Some people have had heart issues, which is the largest muscle in your body and the damage is irreversible. It was also just recently ranked as one of the worst diets by professions, so there's that too. But to each their own, if you want to do it go for it. | |
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| My husband wanted to lose about 20 pounds that he gained during football season. He is a coach and works long hours 7 days a week and the stress and not great eating habits (and the beer) really took their toll this year! He wanted me to get him some Hydroxycut as that is how he has lost in the past. I flat out refused because that stuff, in addition to being unhealthy, makes him impatient and just plain mean. My other option was to find out what several of our friends had been doing to lose 50 or more pounds so I went that route. Turns out they were doing the Xyngular system. Now, I'm a natural born skeptic but I do enjoy research so I got busy. I needed to find out what was in this stuff and why is it working? I haven't had time to research everything but a few tidbits I found out from my research and from our personal experience (and if you don't use Xyngular, maybe some of this might be helpful to you as well).
1)The system is easy for people to follow. Many of us are not great food preppers or just don't have time. I liked there was an easy to follow schedule. There is also a mental aspect to losing weight quickly. People are more motivated to stick with it. 2 pounds a month is not fun and it gets discouraging. Been there done that. Studies have shown that supplementing with calcium allows fat cells to shed fat up to 6X faster.
2) It's not just about weight loss. I had a serious addiction to caffeine. It ruled my world and I needed the energy it gave me to get through my day, heart palpitations were just part of it. When I used the system, I had the kind of energy that made me want to get off the couch and do something. Not jittery, just motivated to get up and clean and I did feel more focused on the task at hand. It feels much better than how I felt before and I don't have to worry about the caffeine headaches.
3) We just don't eat correctly to keep our gut healthy and that is 80-90 percent of our immunity and 90% of our neurotransmitters are produced in the gut. Supplementing with 5-HTP can increase the production of serotonin which affects our moods, sleep, and cravings. One study I found showed that women who supplements with 5-HTP consumed an average of 1,300 Calories a day less than women on a placebo. Because 5-HTP is a building block of serotonin some research found it to work as well as some prescription medications for symptoms of anxiety, depression, insomnia, and fibromyalgia pain.
4) Trying to supplement with this electrolyte and that electrolyte and this mineral to prevent feeling like crap got expensive and confusing trying to do it myself. I'd much rather just have it all thought out for me.
These are just a few observations from someone who lost 20 pounds the hard way (before the Xyngular) but now uses it to maintain my weight loss. Certain things work for certain people when others don't. To each their own! I have no intention of starting an argument of what works and what doesn't because we are all different.
There is a great TED talk about the perfect diet for humans. It is very interesting how much of this diet depends on the flora of a person's gut. I'm excited to see what research continues to find in this field. But if you really want a scare, research the effect of sugar on the brain. I think it explains quit a bit about the epidemic of obesity in this country that is spreading through the world. | |
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| NextLevel - 2018-01-19 11:52 AM
My husband wanted to lose about 20 pounds that he gained during football season. He is a coach and works long hours 7 days a week and the stress and not great eating habits (and the beer) really took their toll this year! He wanted me to get him some Hydroxycut as that is how he has lost in the past. I flat out refused because that stuff, in addition to being unhealthy, makes him impatient and just plain mean. My other option was to find out what several of our friends had been doing to lose 50 or more pounds so I went that route. Turns out they were doing the Xyngular system. Now, I'm a natural born skeptic but I do enjoy research so I got busy. I needed to find out what was in this stuff and why is it working? I haven't had time to research everything but a few tidbits I found out from my research and from our personal experience (and if you don't use Xyngular, maybe some of this might be helpful to you as well).
1)The system is easy for people to follow. Many of us are not great food preppers or just don't have time. I liked there was an easy to follow schedule. There is also a mental aspect to losing weight quickly. People are more motivated to stick with it. 2 pounds a month is not fun and it gets discouraging. Been there done that. Studies have shown that supplementing with calcium allows fat cells to shed fat up to 6X faster.
2) It's not just about weight loss. I had a serious addiction to caffeine. It ruled my world and I needed the energy it gave me to get through my day, heart palpitations were just part of it. When I used the system, I had the kind of energy that made me want to get off the couch and do something. Not jittery, just motivated to get up and clean and I did feel more focused on the task at hand. It feels much better than how I felt before and I don't have to worry about the caffeine headaches.
3) We just don't eat correctly to keep our gut healthy and that is 80-90 percent of our immunity and 90% of our neurotransmitters are produced in the gut. Supplementing with 5-HTP can increase the production of serotonin which affects our moods, sleep, and cravings. One study I found showed that women who supplements with 5-HTP consumed an average of 1,300 Calories a day less than women on a placebo. Because 5-HTP is a building block of serotonin some research found it to work as well as some prescription medications for symptoms of anxiety, depression, insomnia, and fibromyalgia pain.
4) Trying to supplement with this electrolyte and that electrolyte and this mineral to prevent feeling like crap got expensive and confusing trying to do it myself. I'd much rather just have it all thought out for me.
These are just a few observations from someone who lost 20 pounds the hard way (before the Xyngular) but now uses it to maintain my weight loss. Certain things work for certain people when others don't. To each their own! I have no intention of starting an argument of what works and what doesn't because we are all different.
There is a great TED talk about the perfect diet for humans. It is very interesting how much of this diet depends on the flora of a person's gut. I'm excited to see what research continues to find in this field. But if you really want a scare, research the effect of sugar on the brain. I think it explains quit a bit about the epidemic of obesity in this country that is spreading through the world.
I love TED talks! Especially the ones on intrinsic motivation and Panksepp's on the importance of PLAY. Some people are starting to apply this to horse training and it is very interesting. I will definitely look up the TED talks on the perfect human diet. | |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | Thanks for all the replies and help! So I guess what I’m looking for ultimately (my personal goal) right now is 30 lbs, would eventually like to loose 40 but I’d be happy to start at 20! So this week (starting monday) I started the keto high fat low carb diet, by day 4 when I went to the gym (I do a lot of cardio) I was feeling sluggish and awful (maybe coincidental ? ) but I decided after this thread and some more research that this diet isn’t for me, I’m way to active. Instead of stopping cold turkey I started incorporating more carbs in, I ate a cup of Pistachios and a small orange juice. I still had some tuna for lunch today with no bread because I still want to try to diet and see if it helps! Tonight for dinner I will cook chicken and veggies like usual but won’t shy away from veggies or anything healthy that have good carbs in them......I hope I’m on the right track.
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veintiocho - 2018-01-18 9:49 AM Dodge629 - 2018-01-18 10:41 AM veintiocho - 2018-01-18 9:33 AM Just out of curiosity, I’ve done a little research on the Ketogenic diet and wasn’t impressed with what I found. Yes, it does help you lose body weight quickly, but it does not help you lose FAT. The point of the ketogenic diet is to keep the body in a state of ketosis by eating low carb/high fat diet and when this happens your body supposedly becomes super-efficient at burning fat for energy and you can quickly drop 5-7lbs… What you need to understand, is that after eating carbs, your body breaks them down to glucose, which enters the bloodstream and what isn’t used for energy is stored as glycogen in your liver and muscles. Glycogen is stored with 3-4 parts water, so every gram of glycogen stored in your liver and muscles comes with 3-4 grams of water. Depending on your diet and exercise levels, your body can store 300-700grams (or more) glycogen, add 2000g water with that and you get roughly 5.5lbs. Going on a keto diet and reducing carb intake reduces the whole body glycogen levels, which would flush out the large amount of water as well. This accounts for the rapid drop of body weight in first week or two – but it is NOT a rapid reduction in body fat. The keto diet is basically just another low carb/high fat fad diet, which is totally unrealistic for long term use, unless you enjoy feeling like sh!t, depriving yourself, and not having any energy. Contrary to what is on Pinterest, you don’t turn into a keto fat blasting machine, and unfortunately, there are a lot of disadvantages to low carb/high fat diets: It is easier to overeat on a low carb diet. Carbs have a significant impact on satiety, whereas dietary fats don’t. Eat a bunch of fibrous carbs and you will feel full for a quite a while. Eat a bunch of dietary fat and you won’t. Dietary fat is really energy dense too; it contains about 9 calories per gram compared to carbs 4 calories. So it is easy to see how you can over eat on a high-fat diet. Low carb dieters have more hunger issues and struggle more with controlling calorie intake vs high carb dieters. They also have problems with low energy levels as well. It is well known that low carb diets increase fatigue and perceived effort during exercise. You build less muscle on a low carb diet because you reduce the amount of glycogen stored in the muscles and building muscle is the best way to lose weight! Also, when glycogen levels are low, post workout muscle repair is impaired. If you look at professional sports, there are no low-carb diets - it’s because they suck for athletic performance. And I’m not just talking about just high performance athletes, it’s anyone that is involved in periods of low intensity and high intensity activity, which horse riding/training totally falls under. This is all based on which "keto diet" you choose to follow. I don't follow a high fat diet period. And I've gone from needing to eat on a regular basis to "forgetting" to eat or unconsciously intermittent fasting because I feel satisfied 90% more than I ever did eating carbs. And I actually take in way less calories without feeling hungry. The Keto way of eating I do follows the science that if you have body fat to lose you do NOT need to eat more fat. You restrict carbs, eat adequate protein to maintain your muscle mass, and use fat as needed while eating at a healthy calorie deficit. More energy, no brain fog, no afternoon slump... Do you mind if I ask what % your carb/fats/proteins are at currently? What is your daily meal plan look like?
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| There are quite a few studies that show low carb diets are better for weight loss, but they are all majorly flawed in that they are skewed on protein intake. The trials are based off of low carb diets containing more protein vs the low-fat ones, so basically you are looking at results based on high protein/low carb vs low protein/high fat diet (duh, which one do you think will have better results!)
Anyway, when you look at high protein/high carb diets vs. high protein/low carb diets, the results are way different and sum up to that so long as you maintain a calorie deficit, raising or lowering carb intake doesn’t significantly impact fat loss.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18195164/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19246357
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21058203
Your muscles need carbs to grow…and building lean muscle is the best way to lose weight. For the normal, active person trying to lose weight their best bet is to calculate their TDEE and macros needed and be in a slight deficit while increasing exercise.
There are exceptions – the keto diet can significantly help those with Type 2 Diabetes. There are also studies showing it is beneficial to cancer patients, those with neurological disease, metabolic syndrome, and those that are overweight and sedentary.
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | veintiocho - 2018-01-19 2:33 PM
Dodge629 - 2018-01-18 11:20 AM
veintiocho - 2018-01-18 9:49 AM Dodge629 - 2018-01-18 10:41 AM veintiocho - 2018-01-18 9:33 AM Just out of curiosity, I’ve done a little research on the Ketogenic diet and wasn’t impressed with what I found. Yes, it does help you lose body weight quickly, but it does not help you lose FAT. The point of the ketogenic diet is to keep the body in a state of ketosis by eating low carb/high fat diet and when this happens your body supposedly becomes super-efficient at burning fat for energy and you can quickly drop 5-7lbs… What you need to understand, is that after eating carbs, your body breaks them down to glucose, which enters the bloodstream and what isn’t used for energy is stored as glycogen in your liver and muscles. Glycogen is stored with 3-4 parts water, so every gram of glycogen stored in your liver and muscles comes with 3-4 grams of water. Depending on your diet and exercise levels, your body can store 300-700grams (or more) glycogen, add 2000g water with that and you get roughly 5.5lbs. Going on a keto diet and reducing carb intake reduces the whole body glycogen levels, which would flush out the large amount of water as well. This accounts for the rapid drop of body weight in first week or two – but it is NOT a rapid reduction in body fat. The keto diet is basically just another low carb/high fat fad diet, which is totally unrealistic for long term use, unless you enjoy feeling like sh!t, depriving yourself, and not having any energy. Contrary to what is on Pinterest, you don’t turn into a keto fat blasting machine, and unfortunately, there are a lot of disadvantages to low carb/high fat diets: It is easier to overeat on a low carb diet. Carbs have a significant impact on satiety, whereas dietary fats don’t. Eat a bunch of fibrous carbs and you will feel full for a quite a while. Eat a bunch of dietary fat and you won’t. Dietary fat is really energy dense too; it contains about 9 calories per gram compared to carbs 4 calories. So it is easy to see how you can over eat on a high-fat diet. Low carb dieters have more hunger issues and struggle more with controlling calorie intake vs high carb dieters. They also have problems with low energy levels as well. It is well known that low carb diets increase fatigue and perceived effort during exercise. You build less muscle on a low carb diet because you reduce the amount of glycogen stored in the muscles and building muscle is the best way to lose weight! Also, when glycogen levels are low, post workout muscle repair is impaired. If you look at professional sports, there are no low-carb diets - it’s because they suck for athletic performance. And I’m not just talking about just high performance athletes, it’s anyone that is involved in periods of low intensity and high intensity activity, which horse riding/training totally falls under. This is all based on which "keto diet" you choose to follow. I don't follow a high fat diet period. And I've gone from needing to eat on a regular basis to "forgetting" to eat or unconsciously intermittent fasting because I feel satisfied 90% more than I ever did eating carbs. And I actually take in way less calories without feeling hungry. The Keto way of eating I do follows the science that if you have body fat to lose you do NOT need to eat more fat. You restrict carbs, eat adequate protein to maintain your muscle mass, and use fat as needed while eating at a healthy calorie deficit. More energy, no brain fog, no afternoon slump... Do you mind if I ask what % your carb/fats/proteins are at currently? What is your daily meal plan look like?
Thanks for sharing, I was just curious : )
How do you figure out your macros? I’ve been trying to figure this out | |
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| RnRJack - 2018-01-19 2:38 PM
veintiocho - 2018-01-19 2:33 PM
Dodge629 - 2018-01-18 11:20 AM
veintiocho - 2018-01-18 9:49 AM Dodge629 - 2018-01-18 10:41 AM veintiocho - 2018-01-18 9:33 AM Just out of curiosity, I’ve done a little research on the Ketogenic diet and wasn’t impressed with what I found. Yes, it does help you lose body weight quickly, but it does not help you lose FAT. The point of the ketogenic diet is to keep the body in a state of ketosis by eating low carb/high fat diet and when this happens your body supposedly becomes super-efficient at burning fat for energy and you can quickly drop 5-7lbs… What you need to understand, is that after eating carbs, your body breaks them down to glucose, which enters the bloodstream and what isn’t used for energy is stored as glycogen in your liver and muscles. Glycogen is stored with 3-4 parts water, so every gram of glycogen stored in your liver and muscles comes with 3-4 grams of water. Depending on your diet and exercise levels, your body can store 300-700grams (or more) glycogen, add 2000g water with that and you get roughly 5.5lbs. Going on a keto diet and reducing carb intake reduces the whole body glycogen levels, which would flush out the large amount of water as well. This accounts for the rapid drop of body weight in first week or two – but it is NOT a rapid reduction in body fat. The keto diet is basically just another low carb/high fat fad diet, which is totally unrealistic for long term use, unless you enjoy feeling like sh!t, depriving yourself, and not having any energy. Contrary to what is on Pinterest, you don’t turn into a keto fat blasting machine, and unfortunately, there are a lot of disadvantages to low carb/high fat diets: It is easier to overeat on a low carb diet. Carbs have a significant impact on satiety, whereas dietary fats don’t. Eat a bunch of fibrous carbs and you will feel full for a quite a while. Eat a bunch of dietary fat and you won’t. Dietary fat is really energy dense too; it contains about 9 calories per gram compared to carbs 4 calories. So it is easy to see how you can over eat on a high-fat diet. Low carb dieters have more hunger issues and struggle more with controlling calorie intake vs high carb dieters. They also have problems with low energy levels as well. It is well known that low carb diets increase fatigue and perceived effort during exercise. You build less muscle on a low carb diet because you reduce the amount of glycogen stored in the muscles and building muscle is the best way to lose weight! Also, when glycogen levels are low, post workout muscle repair is impaired. If you look at professional sports, there are no low-carb diets - it’s because they suck for athletic performance. And I’m not just talking about just high performance athletes, it’s anyone that is involved in periods of low intensity and high intensity activity, which horse riding/training totally falls under. This is all based on which "keto diet" you choose to follow. I don't follow a high fat diet period. And I've gone from needing to eat on a regular basis to "forgetting" to eat or unconsciously intermittent fasting because I feel satisfied 90% more than I ever did eating carbs. And I actually take in way less calories without feeling hungry. The Keto way of eating I do follows the science that if you have body fat to lose you do NOT need to eat more fat. You restrict carbs, eat adequate protein to maintain your muscle mass, and use fat as needed while eating at a healthy calorie deficit. More energy, no brain fog, no afternoon slump... Do you mind if I ask what % your carb/fats/proteins are at currently? What is your daily meal plan look like?
Thanks for sharing, I was just curious : )
How do you figure out your macros? I’ve been trying to figure this out
You can google a TDEE/Macro calculator. I have one saved on my home computer, but this one looks neat too:
https://www.thatmacrolife.com/macro-calculator/
Then you can plug those results into an app like MyFitnessPal and record your noms in there. I've done it for so long I don't record daily anymore, but every once in a while when I feel myself slipping I'll start tracking again and get on target.
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| RnRJack - 2018-01-19 1:38 PM veintiocho - 2018-01-19 2:33 PM Dodge629 - 2018-01-18 11:20 AM veintiocho - 2018-01-18 9:49 AM Dodge629 - 2018-01-18 10:41 AM veintiocho - 2018-01-18 9:33 AM Just out of curiosity, I’ve done a little research on the Ketogenic diet and wasn’t impressed with what I found. Yes, it does help you lose body weight quickly, but it does not help you lose FAT. The point of the ketogenic diet is to keep the body in a state of ketosis by eating low carb/high fat diet and when this happens your body supposedly becomes super-efficient at burning fat for energy and you can quickly drop 5-7lbs… What you need to understand, is that after eating carbs, your body breaks them down to glucose, which enters the bloodstream and what isn’t used for energy is stored as glycogen in your liver and muscles. Glycogen is stored with 3-4 parts water, so every gram of glycogen stored in your liver and muscles comes with 3-4 grams of water. Depending on your diet and exercise levels, your body can store 300-700grams (or more) glycogen, add 2000g water with that and you get roughly 5.5lbs. Going on a keto diet and reducing carb intake reduces the whole body glycogen levels, which would flush out the large amount of water as well. This accounts for the rapid drop of body weight in first week or two – but it is NOT a rapid reduction in body fat. The keto diet is basically just another low carb/high fat fad diet, which is totally unrealistic for long term use, unless you enjoy feeling like sh!t, depriving yourself, and not having any energy. Contrary to what is on Pinterest, you don’t turn into a keto fat blasting machine, and unfortunately, there are a lot of disadvantages to low carb/high fat diets: It is easier to overeat on a low carb diet. Carbs have a significant impact on satiety, whereas dietary fats don’t. Eat a bunch of fibrous carbs and you will feel full for a quite a while. Eat a bunch of dietary fat and you won’t. Dietary fat is really energy dense too; it contains about 9 calories per gram compared to carbs 4 calories. So it is easy to see how you can over eat on a high-fat diet. Low carb dieters have more hunger issues and struggle more with controlling calorie intake vs high carb dieters. They also have problems with low energy levels as well. It is well known that low carb diets increase fatigue and perceived effort during exercise. You build less muscle on a low carb diet because you reduce the amount of glycogen stored in the muscles and building muscle is the best way to lose weight! Also, when glycogen levels are low, post workout muscle repair is impaired. If you look at professional sports, there are no low-carb diets - it’s because they suck for athletic performance. And I’m not just talking about just high performance athletes, it’s anyone that is involved in periods of low intensity and high intensity activity, which horse riding/training totally falls under. This is all based on which "keto diet" you choose to follow. I don't follow a high fat diet period. And I've gone from needing to eat on a regular basis to "forgetting" to eat or unconsciously intermittent fasting because I feel satisfied 90% more than I ever did eating carbs. And I actually take in way less calories without feeling hungry. The Keto way of eating I do follows the science that if you have body fat to lose you do NOT need to eat more fat. You restrict carbs, eat adequate protein to maintain your muscle mass, and use fat as needed while eating at a healthy calorie deficit. More energy, no brain fog, no afternoon slump... Do you mind if I ask what % your carb/fats/proteins are at currently? What is your daily meal plan look like? Thanks for sharing, I was just curious : ) How do you figure out your macros? I’ve been trying to figure this out
There are all kinds of websites but they can differ based on your goals. My particular Keto calculator will not work for someone who believes it is a high fat diet, for example. | |
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I didnt read all the posts but wanted to say I went Gluten Free right before Thanksgiving & little by little I have lost 15 # during that time - i have never felt better, my belly is not bloated & Im wearing jeams that I couldnt get zipped ... now with a belt to hold them up!!!
Going GF was the best health change Ive ever made!!! | |
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anyone doing the KETO diet?