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Location: Where I am happiest | make sure you call AQHA and check the status on the stallion you have chosen. 5 panel results ECT. You just may be shocked as I was when I called inquiring on a stallion we wanted to breed to. Turns out his foals can't be registered!! |
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| Very true. Since we are venting here, beware of some of the stallions in these stallion auctions. Some take an act of congress to get a breeders certificate. Some owners are impossible to deal with and some have so many fees it is ridiculous. Do your homework on everything. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | total performance - 2018-01-19 10:02 PM
What is the reasoning they gave. That's crazy.
Its all so very odd. I'm not going to name names but it's perplexing to say the least. He has no DNA on file, No 5 panel, and has not filed any breeding reports. Even though he has bred mares? It's all very odd. The more you dig the more weird it gets. He has foals according to AQHA but none since 2013. 30 foals and very very few a year. Like 1 or 2. So if he had foals prior listed why no paper work now? I don't know? |
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| I'm fairly certain reporting facts does not constitute slander. Saying "stallion ABC only has 2 foals a year filed with AQHA, and none since 2003" is only a fact. If stallion ABC owner then blows up and has an emotional fit, well, nothing wrong with crazies exposing themselves.
Transparency, or the lack thereof, is a huge problem in the horse industry. If I take my car to jiffy lube for an oil change and they don't put oil back in it and the engine seizes, I don't have any problem giving out the location. Why should it be different with horses? |
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Location: Where I am happiest | 30 foals total. 2 foals 20132 foals 20121 foal 20113 foal 20102 foal 20091 foal 20081 foal 2007 ECT ECT ECT. 2005 and 2006 had his biggest crop at 5 and 6 foals. At any rate that's fairly irrelevant however he obviously had foals registered from 2013 and before. So how could he have foals listed 2013 and before but AQHA says they don't have DNA ON file? The 5 panel, although that hasn't been required until recently and no breeding report filed for a couple years and yet I know someone with a weanling and so far can't register it and 2 others who have mares currently bred. Did AQHA not require DNA on stallions prior to 2013? Ill also add these aren't cheap mares bred and not a unknown backyard cheap stallion. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | ThreeCorners - 2018-01-20 8:20 AM total performance - 2018-01-19 10:02 PM What is the reasoning they gave. That's crazy. Its all so very odd. I'm not going to name names but it's perplexing to say the least. He has no DNA on file, No 5 panel, and has not filed any breeding reports. Even though he has bred mares? It's all very odd. The more you dig the more weird it gets. He has foals according to AQHA but none since 2013. 30 foals and very very few a year. Like 1 or 2. So if he had foals prior listed why no paper work now? I don't know?
WOW! All very odd for sure. |
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| hannahbug - 2018-01-20 8:51 AM
I'm fairly certain reporting facts does not constitute slander. Saying "stallion ABC only has 2 foals a year filed with AQHA, and none since 2003" is only a fact. If stallion ABC owner then blows up and has an emotional fit, well, nothing wrong with crazies exposing themselves.
Transparency, or the lack thereof, is a huge problem in the horse industry. If I take my car to jiffy lube for an oil change and they don't put oil back in it and the engine seizes, I don't have any problem giving out the location. Why should it be different with horses?
I am confused. Must have been a pm about the slander??? |
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Location: California | Funny you mention Jiffy Lube..Left Tranny cap off.. We got a brand new transmission!!
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| GIDDYUPPY1 - 2018-01-20 11:04 PM
Funny you mention Jiffy Lube..Left Tranny cap off.. We got a brand new transmission!!
That cleared up a lot. Thanks |
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Location: Where I am happiest | I highly doubt anyone said anything about slander. I haven't said anything wrong and didn't mention a name. I only said what AQHA told me. There are thousands of stallions standing and problems could be with any one of them. People have bred to stallions thinking they are 5 panel negative and they are not and they end up with a effected foal. That's why it's so important to check with AQHA The 5 panel results on any stallion you are interested in breeding to before signing that contract and sending your hard earned money off. The mares we decide to breed are 5 panel tested before we breed. Knowledge is power! |
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Location: Where I am happiest | streakysox - 2018-01-19 10:41 PM
Very true. Since we are venting here, beware of some of the stallions in these stallion auctions. Some take an act of congress to get a breeders certificate. Some owners are impossible to deal with and some have so many fees it is ridiculous. Do your homework on everything.
Exactly!! This thread is about doing your due diligence. Say a stallion you like stands for $1500. You find him in a stallion auction. He's considerably less so you bid. You get the breeding for $1000 and your thinking score!! Only to find out after the fact they are charging a $600 chute fee + $300 shipping fee. So now your $1500 breed fee you got for $1000 is actually $1900. Had you just booked to the horse directly the chute fee is included!! Check things out people. |
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| streakysox - 2018-01-20 4:57 PM
hannahbug - 2018-01-20 8:51 AM
I'm fairly certain reporting facts does not constitute slander. Saying "stallion ABC only has 2 foals a year filed with AQHA, and none since 2003" is only a fact. If stallion ABC owner then blows up and has an emotional fit, well, nothing wrong with crazies exposing themselves.
Transparency, or the lack thereof, is a huge problem in the horse industry. If I take my car to jiffy lube for an oil change and they don't put oil back in it and the engine seizes, I don't have any problem giving out the location. Why should it be different with horses?
I am confused. Must have been a pm about the slander???
Nah, just talking about how the op says "I'm not going to name names. . . ."
Why not? Far too often, people with a legitimate complaint won't use names for fear of harming a reputation, or retribution, or whatever, and it doesn't do the horse industry any favors. If I leave a boarding barn because my horse colics twice because they don't feed enough hay, I'm not going to keep the barn name a secret and tell people "I would be very careful which barn in Jackson county you board at." I'm going to be upfront and say "I moved my horse from Happy Acres because they don't throw the 25 lbs a day they state they feed in the boarding contract." |
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Location: Where I am happiest | hannahbug - 2018-01-21 10:54 AM
streakysox - 2018-01-20 4:57 PM
hannahbug - 2018-01-20 8:51 AM
I'm fairly certain reporting facts does not constitute slander. Saying "stallion ABC only has 2 foals a year filed with AQHA, and none since 2003" is only a fact. If stallion ABC owner then blows up and has an emotional fit, well, nothing wrong with crazies exposing themselves.
Transparency, or the lack thereof, is a huge problem in the horse industry. If I take my car to jiffy lube for an oil change and they don't put oil back in it and the engine seizes, I don't have any problem giving out the location. Why should it be different with horses?
I am confused. Must have been a pm about the slander???
Nah, just talking about how the op says "I'm not going to name names. . . ."
Why not? Far too often, people with a legitimate complaint won't use names for fear of harming a reputation, or retribution, or whatever, and it doesn't do the horse industry any favors. If I leave a boarding barn because my horse colics twice because they don't feed enough hay, I'm not going to keep the barn name a secret and tell people "I would be very careful which barn in Jackson county you board at." I'm going to be upfront and say "I moved my horse from Happy Acres because they don't throw the 25 lbs a day they state they feed in the boarding contract."
couple reasons. First, it would just add fodder and go wild. Its not my job to babysit domes breeding choices. If someone was interested in that particular horse and they did their proper and rightful due diligence they would get the exact same info I got straight from the horse's mouth, AQHA. That's where my info came from when I did my due diligence and THAT'S what this thread is about! The 10 minutes it takes to make a phone call is ALOT easier and cheaper then the expense and time lost when you produce a foal you may not be able to register or a foal afflicted with a genetic disease because you never 5 panel tested your mare and never checked with AQHA The status on the stallion. |
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| I call AQHA on a regular basis. Often it is about something pertaining to my horses. I am a member and expect their help. They have ALWAYS been super cooperative. Facts are facts and if someone wants to complain, let them.
That being said, I think there might be a way to check for 5 panel tests on the AQHA website. Easier to call though--laughing. A reputable breeder would disclose this.
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Location: Texas | To answer a question, yes, AQHA has only recently required stallions to get a DNA test and 5 panel test for their foal crops to be registered. It's only been in effect maybe a couple years. So it could make sense if a stallion breeds a low volume of mares they may be out of the loop...but, it was pretty big news when the rule changed, and if they are standing to the public its their responsibility to know the rules and apply to them if they want registered babies. It costs like $125 dollars maybe (haven't looked in a while) and some hair roots. Not a big deal at all. If they won't comply to something like that, move on! |
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Location: California | streakysox - 2018-01-20 11:55 PM GIDDYUPPY1 - 2018-01-20 11:04 PM Funny you mention Jiffy Lube..Left Tranny cap off.. We got a brand new transmission!! That cleared up a lot. Thanks
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streakysox - 2018-01-20 11:55 PM GIDDYUPPY1 - 2018-01-20 11:04 PM Funny you mention Jiffy Lube..Left Tranny cap off.. We got a brand new transmission!! That cleared up a lot. Thanks
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Location: Where I am happiest | casualdust07 - 2018-01-21 4:08 PM
To answer a question, yes, AQHA has only recently required stallions to get a DNA test and 5 panel test for their foal crops to be registered. It's only been in effect maybe a couple years. So it could make sense if a stallion breeds a low volume of mares they may be out of the loop...but, it was pretty big news when the rule changed, and if they are standing to the public its their responsibility to know the rules and apply to them if they want registered babies. It costs like $125 dollars maybe (haven't looked in a while) and some hair roots. Not a big deal at all. If they won't comply to something like that, move on!
The 5 panel for all breeding stallions has been required since 2015. So that's 2 or 3 years depending on the month it was enacted. DNA testing for all stallions breeding 4 or more mares per year since the 90's. When it was required for ALL stallions I'm not quite sure. So as sad as it is, I'm not holding ALOT of hope for that horses paper work to be done 2 or 3 years is plenty of time If it was actually going to be done or could be done. Other very sad part is this is not a real cheap backyard stallion. His fee is multiple times North of $1000. Multiple times! And he has at least 1 weanling on the ground that I know of and has a couple very high powered mares expecting foals this year. Very big time mares Sad the stallion connections are not disclosing this and taking people's money. I have no clue exactly how many mares are planning on breeding to him this year but I know its quite a few. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | sorry. People will find out who he is if he's the stallion they choose and call AQHA hopefully. OR, if they don't do their due diligence and go to register their foal and find out they can't. |
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | streakysox - 2018-01-21 3:50 PM I call AQHA on a regular basis. Often it is about something pertaining to my horses. I am a member and expect their help. They have ALWAYS been super cooperative. Facts are facts and if someone wants to complain, let them. That being said, I think there might be a way to check for 5 panel tests on the AQHA website. Easier to call though--laughing. A reputable breeder would disclose this.
Funny but I noticed alot of stallions don't have it on their ad's if they are 5 panel tested or results... you have to ask.. |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | I also find it interesting how buried the requirement/information about 5 panel testing is on the AQHA site. I have a friend who is purchasing her first quarter horse. She is buying a 2 year old prospect. She sent me a picture of the filly and told me the blood lines. I asked if she had confirmed the results of 5 panel testing on the sire/dam and she didn't even know what that was. I sent her to the AQHA site and she didn't see anything. I had to dig up the page for her that talks about it. It's certainly not front and center on the non-member pages. She will become a member if she purchases this filly. But this info is not as out there for folks as I would hope.
I advised her to call AQHA to inquire about the testing results for the sire...but I doubt she will. Heck...I think I'm more curious than she is.
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Location: Kansas | I believe I saw an AQHA stallion that was a son of ASOF being advertised, saw a bunch of drama under the post about none of the resulting foals could be registered. Crappy stud owner right there |
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This thread is about one such stallion. I don't know why the OP has to play so coy. Either come out with it or STFU. |
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I'm 100% sure she is talking about El Shady Zorrero NOT the stud mentioned in the above post. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | TheOldGrayMare - 2018-01-24 7:43 PM I'm 100% sure she is talking about El Shady Zorrero NOT the stud mentioned in the above post.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | TheOldGrayMare - 2018-01-24 6:43 PM
I'm 100% sure she is talking about El Shady Zorrero NOT the stud mentioned in the above post.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | OK here's the scoop. They have ordered the DNA and 5 panel kit. They haven't registered any foals since the 2013 crop per AQHA's website. I'm not going to speculate why. The rule that stallions had to be tested took full effect with the 2015 crop. Before that they could have registered babies because he certainly didn't breed 25/year at that time. There aren't any showing for 2014. He has had 30 registered foals in his life. There might be 154616516513 of them that aren't registered. Who knows. He's 28 years old this year. So ask the people who are selling his frozen semen here what the story is. Then go from there. |
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Location: Desert Land | Whiteboy - 2018-01-25 10:30 AM I think the agent for him is our fellow BB Sharp. Maybe she will chime in.
I read her response on a Facebook post that they have ordered the 5 panel test and DNA kit but have not yet received it, but are working diligently to get things worked out.
She also said there are a bunch of his babies registered but it's under ABQM - Brailian AQHA basically. And ABQM does not have the 5 panel test requirements AQHA does. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Nobody is trying to be "coy". The whole purpose as stated numerous times is to call AQHA and verify with AQHA The status on the stallion of your choice. Know the 5 panel on your mare. There are numerous stallions with problems one way or another. Breeding horses is not cheap and is also time consuming. We invest a great deal of money, time waiting for that foal, and are emotionally invested in each one. It would be a shame to go through the time, money, hopes and dreams to have it all go south by either not being able to register that foal, or have a reflected foal of one of the 5 panel diseases. As evidenced above there are stallions out there that for one reason or another people end up not being able to register. Also, not all stallions disclose openly their 5 panel results and a majority of mares are not tested. I know someone who bred her untested mare to a GBED carrier and the resulting foal died a short time later. She was emotionally devastated. Turns out after testing her mare she to was a GBED carrier. |
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going to breed your mare?