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Location: Not where I want to be! | Looking for info on any offspring and people's experiences with them. I have a mare by him out of a daughter of Leaving Memories that I am having recurring issues with and wondering why. What are they like under pressure? Is there any out there barrel racing? Thank you in advance. |
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| As with many horses that have a lot of thoroughbred, they need to be brought along slowly. They need to be extremely broke before ever starting on Barrels. You cannot drill them into the ground. I have two granddaughters of Leaving Memories with Aforethought one off their papers plenty of thoroughbred on top also. The one that was 5 last year made two and two barrel runs all back to back. She walked in just as quietly on the last run as the first. One last thing, we changed farriers. Didn't appear there was much wrong with the first but the newer one changed some thing the helped her get her butt up under her. You really didn't give a lot to go on!
So what you need to know
1. Make sure the horse is broke--riding with just a rope around their neck is not broke. Gentle maybe but not broke.
2. Don't hammer on the horse and don't run til they are ready
3. Perfect shoeing is essential.
My Leaving Memories granddaughter won Level 2 Jr Barrels and was Bronze World Champion at the AQHA WORLD SHOW. She also won Barrels and was Reserve Champion on poles. I think you probably have a nice horse, just need some adjustments. |
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Location: Not where I want to be! | My mare is very well broke and when she's on her game and feeling good, she's a 1D horse and runs a beautiful smooth pattern. The issues she has at times seem to be be stress related or pressure situations seem too much for her despite all my efforts to be quiet and relaxed with her. She has been treated for ulcers and had chiropractic work done on her. I am an experienced hand with horses but have never had a horse behave and fall apart as much as this one. I have searched for Metallic Lion offspring in race and barrel race results and the Heritage Place sales since last spring and see nothing at all off him or even grandsons or grandaughters. It's like they don't exist but according to his sire record, there's 200+ out there somewhere. Was just hoping to hear from others that have worked with Metallic Lion offspring and what others are like.
On a side note, I also run a maternal half sister, out of the same Leaving Memories daughter and she has won me a tonne of barrel races for me and she is the best horse i've ever owned and ran!?? |
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| Treat again for ulcers and put the horse on a daily treatment of your choice. They can develop ulcers in a very short period of time. There are many good ulcer meds out there. |
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Location: Not where I want to be! | Not asking for treatment or training advice thank you. Asking for information on her sire and other offspring! |
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Location: Not where I want to be! | Am I the only one that has a Metallic Lion offspring? No one knows anything about him? Feeling a little miffed and disappointed:( |
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| streakinmagic - 2018-01-23 4:31 PM
Am I the only one that has a Metallic Lion offspring? No one knows anything about him? Feeling a little miffed and disappointed:(
I don't own any of his offspring, nor have I ever been around one, so I cannot speak to their mindset. However, I have been doing a lot of internet searching, and I have only found a few foals of his that raced on the track. I also was struggling to find any recent information on him whatsoever; so I know this isn't very helpful, but at least you know there are people trying to find information for you. |
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Location: Arkansas | I have nothing helpful to add (I know, y'all are shocked  ) but if you have a picture I'd love to see your girl!!
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Location: Not where I want to be! | Trying to post a picture but can't figure it out. I made an album though with a pic of her and her sire too.
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | I just looked at her! Nice looking mare, that said I think her mindset is coming from Apollo. Never seen one of them that had a very good mind about them. I do have to agree with treating her again for Ulcers and then a daily maintenance. Ulcers can come back under stress at any time. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | I'll try and post the pic for you. |
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I should just tell a bit of her story and maybe someone else has had this happen.
I bought this mare just about three years ago. Our first year together was great and she ran well for me placing high in the 1D by the fall then through the winter she started getting touchy about saddling and cinching up. It got to the point of her exploding into bucking. Our vet thought ulcers so we treated her for a month and a half with no change. Consulted with a naturopathic guy, found out she had adrenal fatigue, hormonal imbalance and digestive issues brought on by stress apparently. Treated her for all that and got her back running last fall and she was good. She started acting weird again in December and told she needed chiropractor work, did that, no change. I have a girl coming to do some massage and whatever else she does to see if that helps. Not sure what's going on with her but it's pretty disappointing, she is very talented and fast on the barrels when she's feeling normal. |
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Location: South Georgia | Wonder if winter is a theme for her? |
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Location: Not where I want to be! | Ya it does seem weird how it shows up when it gets cold. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | streakinmagic - 2018-01-24 12:08 PM Thank you! I should just tell a bit of her story and maybe someone else has had this happen. I bought this mare just about three years ago. Our first year together was great and she ran well for me placing high in the 1D by the fall then through the winter she started getting touchy about saddling and cinching up. It got to the point of her exploding into bucking. Our vet thought ulcers so we treated her for a month and a half with no change. Consulted with a naturopathic guy, found out she had adrenal fatigue, hormonal imbalance and digestive issues brought on by stress apparently. Treated her for all that and got her back running last fall and she was good. She started acting weird again in December and told she needed chiropractor work, did that, no change. I have a girl coming to do some massage and whatever else she does to see if that helps. Not sure what's going on with her but it's pretty disappointing, she is very talented and fast on the barrels when she's feeling normal.
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Have you looked into EPM? It's another cause of mood shifts and they tend to have flare ups when their immune system is down (ie in the winter when its cold and they have to fight harder to keep their body temp up). |
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Location: Alabama | streakinmagic - 2018-01-24 12:17 PM
Ya it does seem weird how it shows up when it gets cold.
Is there anything else that is changing in her routine this time of year? Stalling more? Change of feed,hay, supplements? Some horses are super sensitive to these minor changes and can really stress out over it. |
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Location: Not where I want to be! | Yes I do have that option open for sure. |
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Location: Not where I want to be! | Nothing changes much except they don't get rode or worked as much. I keep all feed and supplements the same and I don't feed a lot of grain at all.
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Location: Arkansas | streakinmagic - 2018-01-24 12:08 PM
Thank you!
I should just tell a bit of her story and maybe someone else has had this happen.
I bought this mare just about three years ago. Our first year together was great and she ran well for me placing high in the 1D by the fall then through the winter she started getting touchy about saddling and cinching up. It got to the point of her exploding into bucking. Our vet thought ulcers so we treated her for a month and a half with no change. Consulted with a naturopathic guy, found out she had adrenal fatigue, hormonal imbalance and digestive issues brought on by stress apparently. Treated her for all that and got her back running last fall and she was good. She started acting weird again in December and told she needed chiropractor work, did that, no change. I have a girl coming to do some massage and whatever else she does to see if that helps. Not sure what's going on with her but it's pretty disappointing, she is very talented and fast on the barrels when she's feeling normal.
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Location: Not where I want to be! | So no one knows anything about these horses? Was so hoping to find out something.
Oh well, I had a massage therapist work on her yesterday and she found a lot of tight spots etc and got her feeling better. We'll do a few more treatments and hopefully she'll get back in action. Fingers crossed! |
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| Metallic Lion was passed around a lot. He was up north in I think MN for a while, new Mexico, Oklahoma. He has been in Mexico for past several years.
I only know 1 person with a foal by him personally. And he is an untouched, unhalterbroke stallion out of a Moon Lark daughter. He is kind and easy going but that's all I can say because of his lack of handling.
Many people don't even know who he was. Race people in NM weren't thrilled with him as a sire, that I know as I did research on him trying to learn more. I liked his look.
People tend to see the word metallic and think of metallic cat..
I have seen some of pics of his Mexico foals and do like their looks. They seem to be running down there. It's really too bad he wasn't a better race sire in the USA, we needed the outcross.
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Location: Not where I want to be! | That's interesting, something at least. I have had slot of people think Metallic Cat right away lol!
I know the girl(pro rodeo) that started her running barrels told me, she's the fastest horse she's ever thrown her saddle on! Just gotta keep her head on straight and feeling good to utilize that speed!
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| So I don't know anything about Metallic Lion but I read through this thread and two things came to mind...
1. Have her tested through EquiSeq for the PSSM 2 variants - her symptoms are consistent with what others are experiencing with positive horses. I suggest joining the PSSM Forum group on Facebook.
2. Increase her magnesium supplementation - so many factors determine mag levels within the body and any amount of stress will deplete what she has stored in super quick fashion. The MagRestore product is the most bioavailable oral Mag supplement that is commercially available - I would suggest feeding it at as high of a amount that her bowels will tolerate until you see a change in her. Then you can use trial and error to find the best dose for her - once you decrease to a maintenance dosage, I suggest you up it a couple days prior to, throughout and a day or so after an event. Topical magnesium is the quickest way to up her levels though - the No Thrush shop has a fantastic product called Natural Release and the MagRestore people have a good topical product as well. Proper magnesium levels will not take her fire away, it will usually increase their performance because they are able to use their energy in a more focused, appropriate manner.
I do have a friend that has a GD of Apollo and she is fast, talented but extremely fractious and quite sensitive. She has an all or nothing style and comes in the gate on two legs. She can only run her in a smooth O-ring or the mare overreacts. I've never known her quit working (other than the bit issue) but she is very accident prone so she gets lots of time off. There are no relaxed rides on her and she basically either ponys or lunges her to leg her up. |
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