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Location: Somewhere around here | After a mention in another thread about the price difference in stalls between a horse in a roping jackpot and a barrel jackpot, it got me thinking. Why do producers ask us to pay so much for entry fees and stalls? I know the price depends on associations and where it's located but why do barrel racers have to pay so much more than ropers? Not trying to ruffle any feathers of producers here, but I'm genuinely curious. |
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| you should see the English world. there is a schooling show organization (unrated, the equivalent of a playday club) that charges $80 in fees before you ever sign up for a class or rent a stall. Stall fee of $50 a dry day isn't unheard of. It's absolutely ridiculous and has people wringing their hands and saying they don't understand why people don't go to schooling shows anymore. |
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Location: WI | Usually the facility dictates the pricing. Yes, ropers may have it cheap compared to barrel racers, but we have it cheap compared to reiners and AQHA exhibitors. I guess its just simple economics, they get what we will pay.
Example: I pay $71 for a stall and $55 for electrical at a 3 day show at Arena A. Reiners pay $139 for the stall and $30/night for electrical at a 2 day show, same arena. The barn opens up on Thursday for them, but still...
Now the barrel racers sell out the barns and reiners don't even fill 1/2 the barn, so I think they still make more money on us. |
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| Yep, they know what people will pay. Just as a comparison, my vet clinic had an AWESOME lameness/performance horse vet that was one of the best in CA. When she had her second child she had to quit the vet clinic because she wasn't making enough doing performance horse vet work to support her family. She took a job in a neighboring town in a small animal clinic ( THis town is known for its multi million dollar homes/estates, etc.). She now spays and Neuters dogs and cats for upwards of 1200.00 per surgery and does surgeries ALL DAY two days a week. She told me she couldnt live on vaccinations, hock injections at 150.00 per hock etc... Its crazy what some arenas charge.. Like 1500-2000 a DAY just to rent the arena. Dumb. |
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| You really think entries for barrel racing are high?
Try floating a team roper for the weekend and get back to me. |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | Oh gosh, there are so many factors. Facilities, associations, rent, insurance, sanctioning fees, added money, helpers, etc. I don't even think you can compare becasue Ropers have their share of fees as well. |
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Location: Louisiana | I totally here you.
But I have a theory...the team roping we went to for a weekend, yes my husband paid like 1/2 what I paid for stalls and hookup at the same facility as a weekend barrel race.
BUT, the barrel race filled up the hookups and stall...the ropers mostly had hotel rooms or generators...and many hauled in&out...there weren't near as many used stalls.
Maybe we're charge more for the cleanup etc that goes along with more horses?
A roping with 200 teams entered might only 80 horses (that's conservative - only 2-3 entries per horse)
A barrel race with 200 entries is going to have 200 horses, more than double the poop LOL |
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Location: East Texas | They charge what the traffic will bear, and they want to make as much as possible. I can't blame them for that, but I am looking at signing up for an upcoming race and stalls are $90/stall whether you are there for 5 days or in my case....12hrs. Guess my horses will stay in the trailer and run the generator. I can't justify spending over $200 for stall and RV hookup for 12hrs.
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| And the big Vegas super show NBHA, you HAVE to get a hotel room and YOU HAVE to get a stall. You can't haul in/out daily and stay off site. THats why I never go. |
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | CrossDRanch - 2018-01-23 9:29 AM
They charge what the traffic will bear, and they want to make as much as possible. I can't blame them for that, but I am looking at signing up for an upcoming race and stalls are $90/stall whether you are there for 5 days or in my case....12hrs. Guess my horses will stay in the trailer and run the generator. I can't justify spending over $200 for stall and RV hookup for 12hrs.
$90 a stall? I guess I’ll quit complaining about the $25 stalls. Do those come with gold shavings and silver plated, auto waterers? |
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Location: Jersey Girl | I normally pay $55-$65 for a stall for a weekend (2 nights) and about the same for hook-ups.
Also hock injections in my area range from $350-$700 depending on who you use. |
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Location: The edge of no where | classicpotatochip - 2018-01-23 10:49 AM You really think entries for barrel racing are high? Try floating a team roper for the weekend and get back to me.
Hahahaha! I can go you one better..... at least team ropings pay good when you win.
Try paying a steer ropers fees for a while (when he's not placing). There's not enough of them to make it pay worth a flip for what entries cost.......and they drive 23432343243 miles to get to them because of course the rodeos are really spread out. |
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Location: East Texas | ~BINGO~ - 2018-01-23 11:48 AM
CrossDRanch - 2018-01-23 9:29 AM
They charge what the traffic will bear, and they want to make as much as possible. I can't blame them for that, but I am looking at signing up for an upcoming race and stalls are $90/stall whether you are there for 5 days or in my case....12hrs. Guess my horses will stay in the trailer and run the generator. I can't justify spending over $200 for stall and RV hookup for 12hrs.
$90 a stall? I guess I’ll quit complaining about the $25 stalls. Do those come with gold shavings and silver plated, auto waterers?
lol....They must because you can not bring in your own shaving and have to buy theirs at $9/bag. Guess they are proud of their stuff in Guthrie |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | MS2011 - 2018-01-23 12:52 PM classicpotatochip - 2018-01-23 10:49 AM You really think entries for barrel racing are high? Try floating a team roper for the weekend and get back to me. Hahahaha! I can go you one better..... at least team ropings pay good when you win.
Try paying a steer ropers fees for a while (when he's not placing). There's not enough of them to make it pay worth a flip for what entries cost.......and they drive 23432343243 miles to get to them because of course the rodeos are really spread out.
Well, my husband cuts. Trying paying $700 for one round, stall not included.
Plus cattle costs, plus office fees.
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| No complaints here ! It wasn't usual to pay $180 for a Dressage weekend show! And keep in mind you never got any money back if you win, just a pretty ribbon :-) |
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| I have always considered barrel racing to be on the cheaper end compared to roping, cutting and no comparison to English. |
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| rodeomom3 - 2018-01-23 1:42 PM
I have always considered barrel racing to be on the cheaper end compared to roping, cutting and no comparison to English.
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Location: Somewhere around here | You guys have a point with the English world! I went to two schooling shows with a mare I owned with my mom in highschool and if I couldn't win, place, or show then I couldn't keep doing it because the prices were more than what he expected. |
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Location: East Texas | None of it is cheap, and the entry fees are what they are and generally the higher the EF the higher the payout. Heck, the slot race at this event is $5K. I just hate getting gouged on stalls, rv, office fees, etc.
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Location: Arizona | FLITASTIC - 2018-01-23 10:43 AM
And the big Vegas super show NBHA, you HAVE to get a hotel room and YOU HAVE to get a stall. You can't haul in/out daily and stay off site. THats why I never go.
The stall price is usually $90 but it's for the whole week you are there, not $90 a day..... |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | To me the entry fees are not that big of a deal as higher fees should equal better payback and they usually come along with more added money. I do always take into consideration the actual percentage of payback on the total cost (entry plus office/processing charges) If "charges" are significant enough to drive the true percentage of payout below 60%, I would be out unless there was big added money. |
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Location: mi | I can only speak for how the costs are determined for our breed shows, but some of may also help you understand how it works for barrel races. Our nicest facility charges our club $28 per stall for the weekend. BUT they have a minimum facility fee. so if we don't sell what works out to basically 200 stalls then we pay the difference reguardless. and if we sell more then the minimum its $28 a stall. So we need a slight buffer incase we are under the minimum stalls. The facility does not allow trailer ins every horse that enters must be stalled. Not our call that is a facility policy. They charge us $25 a night for each rig hooked up. We keep that fee level and have actually lost out at the end of the weekend by our count being different then theirs. We charge $55 a stall for a 2 day weekend show. opening the grounds on friday. we charge $60 a stall for a 3 day show opening the grounds on wednesday. the facility ups our perstall fee to $30 for this.
The extra we make on stalls and entry fees, goes to cover awards for the weekend, our judges, any hired arena help, the announcer...... We do try to show a profit at the end of the weekend. On a good weekend we have a profit of $3000-$4000. on a small weekend maybe $1000-$2000. All of our profits fund our year end awards and any expenses the club has through out the season. Our club works super hard to keep our expenses as low as we can to still make a profit but make it as cost friendly as possible so as to make our money on quantity of exhibitors.
There are Sooooooo many factors that go into what fees a show or race must charge that it is next to impossible to guess if its over priced or not. All you can do its determine if what you pay out is worth your enjoyment, entertainment, and possibly a payback at the end of a weekend. |
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| I went to a jackpot last night had 48 entered.. for TWO exhib it was $20.00!
I didnt run but i know the girl who won it, won the whole 1D and won about $140.
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| chandler321 - 2018-01-24 8:09 AM
I went to a jackpot last night had 48 entered.. for TWO exhib it was $20.00!
I didnt run but i know the girl who won it, won the whole 1D and won about $140.
I agree thats dumb. LOL Horses only have so many barrel racing runs in them, PERIOD. Doesn't matter how well you maintain or feed your horse. Someday they will run out of runs. Not worth it to outrun 47 horses for 140.00 |
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Location: who knows? | Another problem is....some producers will keep adding charges hoping noone calls them on it. For example, we have an association here putting on a futurity, and an open race. They added $3 to each go to every person to cover co-sanctioning cost for another club. So you have to pay co sanction fees even if your not a member of the other club. Well we as contestants called them on it, because there is no reason to pay a second club fees to run at the jackpot when you are not members. Needless to say they changed it to only those members wanting points in the second club have to pay the co sanctioning fee. The second club does this all over the west part of the country. If you feel something isnt right speak up and find out why... |
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Location: the end of the rainbow | FLITASTIC - 2018-01-23 9:43 AM
And the big Vegas super show NBHA, you HAVE to get a hotel room and YOU HAVE to get a stall. You can't haul in/out daily and stay off site. THats why I never go.
Same here. That plus the payouts vs. entries is why I won't enter the all in race in Vegas in December either. |
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Location: the end of the rainbow | FLITASTIC - 2018-01-24 8:29 AM
chandler321 - 2018-01-24 8:09 AM
I went to a jackpot last night had 48 entered.. for TWO exhib it was $20.00!
I didnt run but i know the girl who won it, won the whole 1D and won about $140.
I agree thats dumb. LOL Horses only have so many barrel racing runs in them, PERIOD. Doesn't matter how well you maintain or feed your horse. Someday they will run out of runs. Not worth it to outrun 47 horses for 140.0k0
It's crazy how out of hand the little local races are getting. I know our local producers do their best to keep it reasonable. We had one group that was starting to get spendy on fees and time onlies so a lot of us stopped going to their races and when they started advertising them this year on social media some of the gals started complaining. The producers listened and did their best to rework their race formats. |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | I dont know what the stall price was for a barrel race here in Michigan but it was just for an evening event that lasted till 2 am in the morning and had to vacate the premises immediately after. My horse can stand tied to the trailer for 6 hours. It was more than I wanted to pay on top of a $25 entry fee. |
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Location: LA Lower Alabama | I feel like stall/ rv lot fees are to help counter the cost of insurance for the bigger shows as well. Those entry fees are going in the pot so something has to go towards rental/ insurances and hired help |
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