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| Is it just me or are there more people, young, elderly, middle aged seemingly healthy people dying from it more lately? It scares me to death with Jacob, I do everything I can to protect him and ourselves from it. Everyone is taking extra C and I'm wiping everything down daily with clorox wipes... kids backpacks from school get doused with lysol too. I have Jacob wear a mask if we need to go out in public as well and I keep hand sanitizer in all our vehicles and by my front door. I hate to feel so paranoid but it's really freaking me out! And no, I do not take the flu shot... never had never will and none of my kids have either. My mil has had the flu shot for the last 10 years of her life and she's bed ridden right now with the flu. ... |
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Location: LaBelle, Florida | From what I understand on the news, the vaccine this year was created in an incubator/different process instead of with egg shells. It mutated in the incubation process and it reduced the effectiveness of it. But they are still encouraging everyone to get it.
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Location: OH. IO | yes,it is definitely hitting hard !!!!you are a good momma for taking all of those precautions with Jake!!!it's freaks me out to,so don't feel bad! |
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| From what I have been reading, a lot of the "seemingly healthy people", like the "marathon running mother" that died from the flu, had other issues going on- she had an open wound on her hand from a car accident that became infected, she developed the flu and then subsequently became septic and died from bacterial pneumonia. I understand Jacob has his fair share of health issues, and I think you are doing a fantastic job in preventing any unwarranted germs from getting too close. Remember to have him drink a lot of water to stay hydrated, and continue to wash hands all the time. Gloves may be an option in public as well, just discard them before he takes off the mask and touches his face.
We will continue to keep him in our prayers here, and pray that the flu season is short this year! |
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| madredepeanut - 2018-01-31 7:26 PM
From what I have been reading, a lot of the "seemingly healthy people", like the "marathon running mother" that died from the flu, had other issues going on- she had an open wound on her hand from a car accident that became infected, she developed the flu and then subsequently became septic and died from bacterial pneumonia. I understand Jacob has his fair share of health issues, and I think you are doing a fantastic job in preventing any unwarranted germs from getting too close. Remember to have him drink a lot of water to stay hydrated, and continue to wash hands all the time. Gloves may be an option in public as well, just discard them before he takes off the mask and touches his face.
We will continue to keep him in our prayers here, and pray that the flu season is short this year!
This is what I'm referring to, did these people they are reporting dying have underlying issues? Thank you for sharing that information. The way they portray it on the news is just like this perfectly healthy person passed away from the flu.
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| want2chase3 - 2018-01-31 5:43 PM
madredepeanut - 2018-01-31 7:26 PM
From what I have been reading, a lot of the "seemingly healthy people", like the "marathon running mother" that died from the flu, had other issues going on- she had an open wound on her hand from a car accident that became infected, she developed the flu and then subsequently became septic and died from bacterial pneumonia. I understand Jacob has his fair share of health issues, and I think you are doing a fantastic job in preventing any unwarranted germs from getting too close. Remember to have him drink a lot of water to stay hydrated, and continue to wash hands all the time. Gloves may be an option in public as well, just discard them before he takes off the mask and touches his face.
We will continue to keep him in our prayers here, and pray that the flu season is short this year!
This is what I'm referring to, did this people they are reporting dying have underlying issues? Thank you for sharing that information. The way they portray it on the news is just like this perfectly healthy person passed away from the flu.
Exactly, so many of the headlines today are sensationalized! Fear is a dangerous tool, unfortunately. Lots of prayers are headed your way  keep up your diligent work! |
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Location: OH. IO | A young news reporter here in Ohio didn't feel good and died the next day from the flu.no other issues. |
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| Here is an excerpt from an NBC news article that talks about why healthy people die from the flu:
"Doctors who study the body’s immune response say there are three main reasons: co-infection with another germ, usually bacteria such as strep; aggravation of existing conditions such as heart disease and asthma; and a so-called cytokine storm, marked by an overwhelming immune system response to infection... When a virus is new, like the 1918 strain of H1N1 and the 2009 H1N1 “swine flu”, it usually kills far more people. One theory is that the immune system can become overwhelmed by the never-before-seen invader and sends so many troops to fight it that perfectly healthy tissue in the lungs and other organs gets killed, too. People who die from “bird flu” viruses, such as H5N1 or H7N9, also seem to die via an over-the-top immune response... While a few people seem to die within hours or days, flu can cause lingering sickness in others. Then they become susceptible to other infections, such as streptococcal or staphylococcal bacterial infections. These secondary infections can damage organs, cause pneumonia or get into the bloodstream, causing another kind of immune system overreaction called sepsis."
The article itself was a bit long, but you can read the full story here:
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/here-s-how-flu-virus-kill...
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Location: NW | The news blows things up.... the NEWS controls the masses into believing anything the news wants the people to belive, and big Pharma controls the news in many aspects.... :)
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Location: KS | I feel the same way, a mom to 2 under 2. We stay home a lot. |
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| I am a little paranoid also, I have read that Kansas is the worst state as far as the number affected with the flu.
I think a BIG key is enough rest. I always try to get at least 8.0 hrs of sleep - even if that means going to bed at 7:30! I take Emergen-C daily and I also take a dose of apple cider vinegar - I have read that it's harder for the virus to live in an acidic environment. I also don't get the flu shot - it never helped me in the past when I did get it and usually I was sicker the years I got it. I'm sure there must be some benefits since they preach about getting it but it never worked for me. I also wash my hands a LOT - especially at work since those around me are dropping like FLIES with the flu.
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | 4 Alarm Ranch - 2018-01-31 9:53 PM The news blows things up.... the NEWS controls the masses into believing anything the news wants the people to belive, and big Pharma controls the news in many aspects.... :)
who is the "news"?
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Griz - 2018-02-01 6:47 AM I am a little paranoid also, I have read that Kansas is the worst state as far as the number affected with the flu. I think a BIG key is enough rest. I always try to get at least 8.0 hrs of sleep - even if that means going to bed at 7:30! I take Emergen-C daily and I also take a dose of apple cider vinegar - I have read that it's harder for the virus to live in an acidic environment. I also don't get the flu shot - it never helped me in the past when I did get it and usually I was sicker the years I got it. I'm sure there must be some benefits since they preach about getting it but it never worked for me. I also wash my hands a LOT - especially at work since those around me are dropping like FLIES with the flu.
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| Griz - 2018-02-01 5:47 AM
I am a little paranoid also, I have read that Kansas is the worst state as far as the number affected with the flu.
I think a BIG key is enough rest. I always try to get at least 8.0 hrs of sleep - even if that means going to bed at 7:30! I take Emergen-C daily and I also take a dose of apple cider vinegar - I have read that it's harder for the virus to live in an acidic environment. I also don't get the flu shot - it never helped me in the past when I did get it and usually I was sicker the years I got it. I'm sure there must be some benefits since they preach about getting it but it never worked for me. I also wash my hands a LOT - especially at work since those around me are dropping like FLIES with the flu.
We drink the emergen-c daily too and the kids get the gummies. Hand washing is a must too. I keep acv on hand as well, I'm not as diligent about drinking it though, because it's just nasty! But I do try to drink some mixed with lemon juice for the other health benefits. I wish people that even think they may be coming down with it would stay home! I know it's tough and people need to get to work and school. My husband caught it not too long ago... but by being very diligent and me keeping him locked down in our room, the rest of my household escaped it! |
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Location: Where the stars at night are big and bright, TX | One reason as my drs. have told me, is in the young, they haven't been exposed to as many variations of it as an older person. We have some antibodies that are from those other strains. The other for anyone else is the "flu" hasn't killed people, generally a secondary infection (staph) which the flu opened a door for as the body fought off the flu bug. Many of the deaths are actually pneumonia and pneumonia sneaks up on a person. Some of the secondary infections damage other organs, or can get into the blood stream causing sepsis.
I went in to my Dr. this week as I have asthma and have had a cold and fatigue for almost 2 weeks. A common cold lingers with me and I have to get steroids and AB's if I'm 7-10 days in or I'm battling my lungs for a month. I asked him about the flu numbers in our little town and he said of every flu screen he's done and he's screened everyone who has come in sick, only 2 had it and enough so he sent them on their own to the hospital. Everyone else in town and there are MANY who are sick, it's simply a bad winter cold.
Hang with me, the last of my info I've gleaned this week: we have a friend whose 16 yr. old daughter was having what they thought were bad allergies that weren't responding to meds. A few days after that diagnosis she went back to her dr. saying she felt like it was a little hard to breathe. So they took her into the hospital for xrays, he thought she may have had a touch of pneumonia from the excess mucus in the lungs, etc. Well...a few short hours later they discovered she has Primary Mediastinal B Cell Lymphoma and was taken the next day to MD Anderson in Houston for immediate treatment. She has tumors all within her chest wall, and they have also mestatisized to her sternum, ribs and spine. 
Once her treatments took hold, the plan was to get a treatment, come home stay a couple weeks, then go back for a week to MD Anderson, repeat for the course. There is another teenage girl on her floor who she has become friends with. That girl was at that point in her treatment where she could go home, went home, and caught the flu. They had to rush her back to MD Anderson and she is now in full isolation, can't even have family in while she's sick with it, because of their possibly bringing in more germs. Ann's parents had planned to alternate each one back and forth into their work lives back here (10 hours away) but now they can't. They don't want to risk bringing back an infection and they don't want to risk her having to go through this isolated for any stretch of it.
I'm sure your Dr. has his opinions on all that, this is just what their team at MD Anderson have said to them.
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| Tilt The Kilt - 2018-02-01 8:00 AM
One reason as my drs. have told me, is in the young, they haven't been exposed to as many variations of it as an older person. We have some antibodies that are from those other strains. The other for anyone else is the "flu" hasn't killed people, generally a secondary infection (staph) which the flu opened a door for as the body fought off the flu bug. Many of the deaths are actually pneumonia and pneumonia sneaks up on a person. Some of the secondary infections damage other organs, or can get into the blood stream causing sepsis.
I went in to my Dr. this week as I have asthma and have had a cold and fatigue for almost 2 weeks. A common cold lingers with me and I have to get steroids and AB's if I'm 7-10 days in or I'm battling my lungs for a month. I asked him about the flu numbers in our little town and he said of every flu screen he's done and he's screened everyone who has come in sick, only 2 had it and enough so he sent them on their own to the hospital. Everyone else in town and there are MANY who are sick, it's simply a bad winter cold.
Hang with me, the last of my info I've gleaned this week: we have a friend whose 16 yr. old daughter was having what they thought were bad allergies that weren't responding to meds. A few days after that diagnosis she went back to her dr. saying she felt like it was a little hard to breathe. So they took her into the hospital for xrays, he thought she may have had a touch of pneumonia from the excess mucus in the lungs, etc. Well...a few short hours later they discovered she has Primary Mediastinal B Cell Lymphoma and was taken the next day to MD Anderson in Houston for immediate treatment. She has tumors all within her chest wall, and they have also mestatisized to her sternum, ribs and spine. Once her treatments took hold, the plan was to get a treatment, come home stay a couple weeks, then go back for a week to MD Anderson, repeat for the course. There is another teenage girl on her floor who she has become friends with. That girl was at that point in her treatment where she could go home, went home, and caught the flu. They had to rush her back to MD Anderson and she is now in full isolation, can't even have family in while she's sick with it, because of their possibly bringing in more germs. Ann's parents had planned to alternate each one back and forth into their work lives back here (10 hours away) but now they can't. They don't want to risk bringing back an infection and they don't want to risk her having to go through this isolated for any stretch of it.
I'm sure your Dr. has his opinions on all that, this is just what their team at MD Anderson have said to them.
Very interesting. I'm sorry to hear about your friends daughter, that must be terrifying. I was thinking about this on my way to drop my kids off at school, what's saying?? The best offense is a good defense, or the best defense is a good offense... either way ... the only thing I can do is keep things clean and avoid small enclosed areas where other people are breathing! |
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Location: TEXAS | Yes this is one of the worst flu seasons in a decade as far as deaths go. My 8 yr old got the flu but since he had the shot he only felt bad for one day. The dr said people who get the shot have only mild symptoms of the flu. With that being said I don't want to take a chance bc he's very suseptible to strep and the flu so I started both of my boys on Little Warriors immune supplement. It's all natural from plants and gets rave reviews from parents!!
ETA they also chew an airborne each day
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| 1DSoon - 2018-02-01 6:31 AM
Griz - 2018-02-01 6:47 AM I am a little paranoid also, I have read that Kansas is the worst state as far as the number affected with the flu. I think a BIG key is enough rest. I always try to get at least 8.0 hrs of sleep - even if that means going to bed at 7:30! I take Emergen-C daily and I also take a dose of apple cider vinegar - I have read that it's harder for the virus to live in an acidic environment. I also don't get the flu shot - it never helped me in the past when I did get it and usually I was sicker the years I got it. I'm sure there must be some benefits since they preach about getting it but it never worked for me. I also wash my hands a LOT - especially at work since those around me are dropping like FLIES with the flu.
it's physyilogically impossible to change your blood/body PH expecially by drinking vinager
Must be the "placebo effect" that's working for me. But seems to be working - KNOCK ON WOOD! |
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| WOW - just saw this in our local paper:
"There have been 48 flu-related deaths this flu season in Kansas."
Something else I have taken is Elderberry extract and Boiron Oscillococcinum when I felt something coming on. I've read both good and bad about the Boiron but it seems to keep sickness away for me. You can't find it here anymore in stores so I ordered some off Amazon several weeks ago and I still haven't gotten it, so others must believe in it also. |
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| Parents try and be so sterile with small children. If you don't want your kids to get sick, let them play in the dirt, be exposed to bacteria and viruses etc. My mom went down the Road from one rodeo to the next when I was a kid, 6x to the NFR. Know how many public bathrooms at fairgrounds I was in? How many times I played under the bleachers at rodeos??? LOL I never so much as get a cold, ever. lol Knock on Wood. I do take the flu shot though. |
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Location: Deep South | A completely healthy teenage girl with relatives at my church caught the flu a few weeks ago. It followed the cycle the news has been warning about. Flu > Pneumonia > Sepsis
It put her into a coma, on a ventilator, and started shutting down her organs. By the grace of God she started to come back around and is slowly getting better now. She still has a long road of recovery ahead, but it got really scary for a while. The doctors had started preparing the family for worst case.
They have shut down entire school systems in TN and northern AL to stop the spreading. My cousin is a surgeon and he said that UAB (a huge hospital in north AL) doesn't have a single bed open, and that's just unheard of.
I think it is wise to be cautious and that it's not "just" being sensationalized. There are areas of the country it's truly an epidemic. |
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| Me and my mom take turns watching my 7 month old grandson and we don't take him anywhere. No where. I just don't want to chance it. He did get RSV, thankfully a mild case, but was in the hospital for a little over 24 hours for breathing treatments so he has not received his flu shot yet, but if the doctor
tells us to, he will be getting his tomorrow. My dad and mom had the flu, but it must not have been the same strain, because they got over it fairly quickly, especially considering their ages, 86 and 76. My mom didn't keep the baby for over a week after they recovered just to make sure. She disinfected and diffused oils like crazy the whole time they were sick and the week after. |
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Location: North Dakota | I think it's the crap diet and chronic dehydration of most people now a days that makes it so hard for peoples' bodies to fight off viruses and infections, including the flu. All the hand washing and sanitizing in the world won't do much once good once you get sick. The flu shot is recommended by all doctors for good reason. It is impossible to predict what strain(s) will spread each year, so they do the best they can with the flu shot, but there's never any guarantee. However, it is a 100% proven fact that getting the flu shot will decrease your chances of getting the flu and even if you do, will decrease the severity of it. And contrary to popular belief, it is IMPOSSIBLE to get sick from the vaccine. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | cavyrunsbarrels - 2018-02-01 10:50 AM I think it's the crap diet and chronic dehydration of most people now a days that makes it so hard for peoples' bodies to fight off viruses and infections, including the flu. All the hand washing and sanitizing in the world won't do much once good once you get sick. The flu shot is recommended by all doctors for good reason. It is impossible to predict what strain(s) will spread each year, so they do the best they can with the flu shot, but there's never any guarantee. However, it is a 100% proven fact that getting the flu shot will decrease your chances of getting the flu and even if you do, will decrease the severity of it. And contrary to popular belief, it is IMPOSSIBLE to get sick from the vaccine.
and it helps you with future strains of the flu. So if you have 20 yrs of flu shots, your immunity to is is unreal. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | My little one takes Elderberry syrup (home made) (high in Vit C) , a probiotic, honey from her Paw Paws hives, and DHA daily as prescribed by her doctor.
She has yet (knock on wood) to get sick.
With her diagnosis and the way her immune system responds, a simple cold from any where can turn deadly for her in a matter of hours.
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Location: Montgomery TX | I copy and pasted this from a FB post - thought it was good information on why/how this flu is progressing and causing deaths - It makes sense to me.... I do not know the person who made the original post - it was shared to my timeline.
This is from a RN who got the flu:
This is the current course causing the deaths post flu diagnosis. It is why I was hospitalized for 4 days after having the flu and taking a 5 day course of Tamiflu. This is what to look for:
The buildup of fluid/mucus in the lungs combined with immobility from lying down and trying to “rest” to recover creates a perfect environment for the development of pneumonia. Bacteria starts to grow in the lungs at this point and causes a new fever, tightness in the chest and shortness of breath. Some people are mistaking the development of pneumonia as just more of the flu symptoms and stay home trying to get over it.
DO NOT STAY HOME if you develop these symptoms.
If your respiratory rate increases over 30 breaths per minute, a new fever develops, and you feel short of breath walking around in your home, you will need to call your physician or go to the nearest ER/ urgent care to get treatment.
Untreated pneumonia can lead to the development of bacteria entering the bloodstream and thus, the development of sepsis.
Sepsis starts a cascade of symptoms that can cause organ failure and clotting disorders in a matter of hours! A rise in lactic acid level in the blood is how my sepsis was diagnosed. I immediately received IV antibiotics and 4 bags of lactated ringers. (LR) This reversed the sepsis and I have made a full recovery.
IF you have had the FLU and start to develop a new fever or shortness of breath, please DO NOT WAIT.
It’s better to go get checked again than try to wait it out! Healthy people are dying from this course. If you are immunocompromised or have a lung disorder, this is even more important.
Please check on your friends with the flu, & SHARE THIS with any and EVERYONE! |
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| Now I believe that a healthy diet, staying hydrated and taking good general care of yourself, practicing good hygiene, taking good vitamins is very helpful in avoiding the flu. Let's just say,I'm not exactly the poster child for "good health" habits, my diet has been horrible lately, I'm lacking sleep something fierce and I haven't been taking vitamins and I know I'm not drinking enough water. I can feel it too... I'm exhausted, sluggish and just blah.. I KNOW I'm run down.. I'm trying to fix all that and take better care of myself now that the surgery is behind us and we are home.. it's a miracle I haven't gotten sick! I've never taken a flu shot in my life, I also have never had the flu either, I'm 41 yrs old. The Dr's advised us all to get a flu shot before Jacob started chemo but I opted out. He obviously can't get one anytime soon either. I certainly don't think or will tell anyone they are foolish for getting one, do as you chose, I chose not to and I chose not to have my kids take one either. Just for the record, they are UTD on all the other vaccinations. I'm not anti vaccination I just don't believe in the flu shot. |
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Location: Kansas | want2chase3 - 2018-02-01 2:04 PM Now I believe that a healthy diet, staying hydrated and taking good general care of yourself, practicing good hygiene, taking good vitamins is very helpful in avoiding the flu. Let's just say,I'm not exactly the poster child for "good health" habits, my diet has been horrible lately, I'm lacking sleep something fierce and I haven't been taking vitamins and I know I'm not drinking enough water. I can feel it too... I'm exhausted, sluggish and just blah.. I KNOW I'm run down.. I'm trying to fix all that and take better care of myself now that the surgery is behind us and we are home.. it's a miracle I haven't gotten sick! I've never taken a flu shot in my life, I also have never had the flu either, I'm 41 yrs old. The Dr's advised us all to get a flu shot before Jacob started chemo but I opted out. He obviously can't get one anytime soon either. I certainly don't think or will tell anyone they are foolish for getting one, do as you chose, I chose not to and I chose not to have my kids take one either. Just for the record, they are UTD on all the other vaccinations. I'm not anti vaccination I just don't believe in the flu shot. I agree with you. Take a trip into Google and look at the many dangers of flu vaccines. Like you I would never try to talk anybody out of getting one but if they're all they're cracked up to be why is the whole country experiencing this onslaught of flu.
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Location: Bennett, CO | Here is my flu experience this year.
My mom, myself and my 2.5yo son all were vaccinated. My husband forgot to get vaccinated this year.
My mom (76yrs old) , Myself and my son had a short lived "cold".. hubby developed a significant and diagnosed case of flu. As did 2 of his employees(also not vaccinated)
This was proof enough for us.. so much so- he is giving any employee who wants to get vaccinated, a paid 1/2 day off to do so next year
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Location: TEXAS | IRunOnFaith - 2018-02-01 12:22 PM My little one takes Elderberry syrup (home made) (high in Vit C) , a probiotic, honey from her Paw Paws hives, and DHA daily as prescribed by her doctor.
She has yet (knock on wood) to get sick.
With her diagnosis and the way her immune system responds, a simple cold from any where can turn deadly for her in a matter of hours.
This time of year is scary for her. I keep extra masks in the car for when we have to make grocery store trips.
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| want2chase3 - 2018-02-01 2:04 PM
Now I believe that a healthy diet, staying hydrated and taking good general care of yourself, practicing good hygiene, taking good vitamins is very helpful in avoiding the flu. Let's just say,I'm not exactly the poster child for "good health" habits, my diet has been horrible lately, I'm lacking sleep something fierce and I haven't been taking vitamins and I know I'm not drinking enough water. I can feel it too... I'm exhausted, sluggish and just blah.. I KNOW I'm run down.. I'm trying to fix all that and take better care of myself now that the surgery is behind us and we are home.. it's a miracle I haven't gotten sick! I've never taken a flu shot in my life, I also have never had the flu either, I'm 41 yrs old. The Dr's advised us all to get a flu shot before Jacob started chemo but I opted out. He obviously can't get one anytime soon either. I certainly don't think or will tell anyone they are foolish for getting one, do as you chose, I chose not to and I chose not to have my kids take one either. Just for the record, they are UTD on all the other vaccinations. I'm not anti vaccination I just don't believe in the flu shot.
I agree with your post here. Lots of water, daily vitamin and good sleep has literally made the most impeccable difference in my life. I was always getting sick, feeling really wornout and was having some other health issues due to my lack of self-care. I started drinking lots of water, soda is now a "treat" and taking a daily vitamin and going to bed for at least 7-8 hours of sleep. I still get colds but nothing like I used to.
I also don't get the flu shot. I got it once when I went to college and had the flu within a month. I got it thinking it would help since I was living in dorms. Turned into pneumonia and a lung infection. I know they say you cant get it from the vaccine but if that's really true then it suppressed my immune system bad enough where I couldnt fight things because I haven't been that sick before that or after. (knock on wood)
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| FLITASTIC - 2018-02-01 12:25 PM Parents try and be so sterile with small children. If you don't want your kids to get sick, let them play in the dirt, be exposed to bacteria and viruses etc. My mom went down the Road from one rodeo to the next when I was a kid, 6x to the NFR. Know how many public bathrooms at fairgrounds I was in? How many times I played under the bleachers at rodeos??? LOL I never so much as get a cold, ever. lol Knock on Wood. I do take the flu shot though.
you took the word right out of my keyboard we do not let kids get dirty i am 67 have not had flue shot ever flue last time was in 78 my son is 40 never sick
he was encouraged to play outside i did not molly colly him
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FLITASTIC - 2018-02-01 12:25 PM Parents try and be so sterile with small children. If you don't want your kids to get sick, let them play in the dirt, be exposed to bacteria and viruses etc. My mom went down the Road from one rodeo to the next when I was a kid, 6x to the NFR. Know how many public bathrooms at fairgrounds I was in? How many times I played under the bleachers at rodeos??? LOL I never so much as get a cold, ever. lol Knock on Wood. I do take the flu shot though.
you took the word right out of my keyboard we do not let kids get dirty i am 67 have not had flue shot ever flue last time was in 78 my son is 40 never sick
he was encouraged to play outside i did not molly colly him
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I think the point is being missed here... healthy children should play in the dirt, absolutely. An immunosuppressed child that is fighting a life threatening disease should have any and all precautions taken and "molly colly-ing" should definitely be a priority. I believe any pediatric doctor worth their salt would agree.
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | madredepeanut - 2018-02-01 8:18 PM vjls - 2018-02-01 5:08 PM FLITASTIC - 2018-02-01 12:25 PM Parents try and be so sterile with small children. If you don't want your kids to get sick, let them play in the dirt, be exposed to bacteria and viruses etc. My mom went down the Road from one rodeo to the next when I was a kid, 6x to the NFR. Know how many public bathrooms at fairgrounds I was in? How many times I played under the bleachers at rodeos??? LOL I never so much as get a cold, ever. lol Knock on Wood. I do take the flu shot though. you took the word right out of my keyboard we do not let kids get dirty i am 67 have not had flue shot ever flue last time was in 78 my son is 40 never sick
he was encouraged to play outside i did not molly colly him
?you got to not be afraid to get dirty take a bath
I think the point is being missed here... healthy children should play in the dirt, absolutely. An immunosuppressed child that is fighting a life threatening disease should have any and all precautions taken and "molly colly-ing" should definitely be a priority. I believe any pediatric doctor worth their salt would agree.
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| Before all this happened with Jacob, my boys played outside ALOT we have a big dirt pile out back, those boys played in it all day with their hot wheels and tractors... I know it's not just dirt in there, cats go in there, the chickens, the horses... they'd come up to the house and they had to remove their clothes on the porch because they knew clothes where going right into the wash and they were going straight to the bath! Unfortunately now I cannot allow Jake to play like that, I try and let him be a little boy but he's very limited on what he can do. I let him ride his bike the other day but I was a nervous wreck praying he wouldnt fall. I get what you're saying about kids not getting into stuff like they use to, the invention of hand sanitizer, disinfecting wipes, sprays etc etc... maybe made the modern child a little less "tough" when it comes to germs and a natural defense against common illnesses. Believe me, I'd love to let my son go roll around under the bleachers at a roping right now and go play with his brother in that big gross dirt pile! |
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| want2chase3 - 2018-02-01 6:17 PM
Before all this happened with Jacob, my boys played outside ALOT we have a big dirt pile out back, those boys played in it all day with their hot wheels and tractors... I know it's not just dirt in there, cats go in there, the chickens, the horses... they'd come up to the house and they had to remove their clothes on the porch because they knew clothes where going right into the wash and they were going straight to the bath! Unfortunately now I cannot allow Jake to play like that, I try and let him be a little boy but he's very limited on what he can do. I let him ride his bike the other day but I was a nervous wreck praying he wouldnt fall. I get what you're saying about kids not getting into stuff like they use to, the invention of hand sanitizer, disinfecting wipes, sprays etc etc... maybe made the modern child a little less "tough" when it comes to germs and a natural defense against common illnesses. Believe me, I'd love to let my son go roll around under the bleachers at a roping right now and go play with his brother in that big gross dirt pile!
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| I don't know if there is anything to this or not but I did read somewhere that you should swab inside your nostrils with a cheap triple antibiotic. It is suppose to catch the virus's and kill them before they enter the inner nose. I guess it couldn't hurt to try. |
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| The flu shot has never ever contained the strain that is dominate the
year it is given.
The flu shot is made up of a fictitious virus invented in a lab in England
three years prior to forcing it on Americans ..
one year to invent the strain
one year to produce millions of shots
one year to convince people to get a shot that does not work ..
EVEN IN THE MIDDLE OF A KILLER FLU SEASON ..
Our Olympians are walking into huge pandemics of bird and swine flu
that is happening in North Korea right now ...
and guess what is liable to happen when they return to the USA!!
HERE IS YOUR ANSWER ON FLU FROM A WONDERFUL ER NURSE!!
ER NURSE PUTS THE PUBLIC ON NOTICE ON FUNKY FLU
AND NOT COMING TO THE ER .....
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2018/02/01/florida-nurse-calls-er-ces...
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| euchee - 2018-02-01 7:15 PM
I don't know if there is anything to this or not but I did read somewhere that you should swab inside your nostrils with a cheap triple antibiotic. It is suppose to catch the virus's and kill them before they enter the inner nose. I guess it couldn't hurt to try.
Considering that viruses are not killed with antibiotics and the flu is a virus, can’t see how it would work. Now taking oral antibiotics while having the flu to prevent secondary bacterial infections, good idea! |
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| FLITASTIC - 2018-02-02 10:04 AM
euchee - 2018-02-01 7:15 PM
I don't know if there is anything to this or not but I did read somewhere that you should swab inside your nostrils with a cheap triple antibiotic. It is suppose to catch the virus's and kill them before they enter the inner nose. I guess it couldn't hurt to try.
Considering that viruses are not killed with antibiotics and the flu is a virus, can’t see how it would work. Now taking oral antibiotics while having the flu to prevent secondary bacterial infections, good idea!
I think the gel inside your nose would maybe "catch" the germs before actually getting into your body? Nose hair is supposed to help I thought but maybe just putting a thin layer of Vaseline of antibiotic gel. I don't know. I've read that too about the nose. Guess it would work good if you don't breathe out of your mouth! I'm a bit of a mouth breather so it probably wouldn't work good for me! |
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| want2chase3 - 2018-02-02 8:48 AM
FLITASTIC - 2018-02-02 10:04 AM
euchee - 2018-02-01 7:15 PM
I don't know if there is anything to this or not but I did read somewhere that you should swab inside your nostrils with a cheap triple antibiotic. It is suppose to catch the virus's and kill them before they enter the inner nose. I guess it couldn't hurt to try.
Considering that viruses are not killed with antibiotics and the flu is a virus, can’t see how it would work. Now taking oral antibiotics while having the flu to prevent secondary bacterial infections, good idea!
I think the gel inside your nose would maybe "catch" the germs before actually getting into your body? Nose hair is supposed to help I thought but maybe just putting a thin layer of Vaseline of antibiotic gel. I don't know. I've read that too about the nose. Guess it would work good if you don't breathe out of your mouth! I'm a bit of a mouth breather so it probably wouldn't work good for me!
LOL and the truth of the matter is, you breathe in MILLIONS and MILLIONS of viruses every single day that are just in the air period. It really is Impossible to keep a virus out unless your literally in a bubble or Hazmat suit like you see in the movies. Doctors always say " Wash your hands" well, as soon as your done washing in the hands and you grab a handle to leave the bathroom, they are all back. I laugh at people who use the wipes on shopping carts, what about all the food items you grab and put INTO the shopping cart?? What about the snotty nose kid riding in the cart and blew virus all over the other parts of the cart??? Sanitizing that handle aint gonna do S^&*(^*&^(*&^( |
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| FLITASTIC - 2018-02-02 10:56 AM
want2chase3 - 2018-02-02 8:48 AM
FLITASTIC - 2018-02-02 10:04 AM
euchee - 2018-02-01 7:15 PM
I don't know if there is anything to this or not but I did read somewhere that you should swab inside your nostrils with a cheap triple antibiotic. It is suppose to catch the virus's and kill them before they enter the inner nose. I guess it couldn't hurt to try.
Considering that viruses are not killed with antibiotics and the flu is a virus, can’t see how it would work. Now taking oral antibiotics while having the flu to prevent secondary bacterial infections, good idea!
I think the gel inside your nose would maybe "catch" the germs before actually getting into your body? Nose hair is supposed to help I thought but maybe just putting a thin layer of Vaseline of antibiotic gel. I don't know. I've read that too about the nose. Guess it would work good if you don't breathe out of your mouth! I'm a bit of a mouth breather so it probably wouldn't work good for me!
LOL and the truth of the matter is, you breathe in MILLIONS and MILLIONS of viruses every single day that are just in the air period. It really is Impossible to keep a virus out unless your literally in a bubble or Hazmat suit like you see in the movies. Doctors always say " Wash your hands" well, as soon as your done washing in the hands and you grab a handle to leave the bathroom, they are all back. I laugh at people who use the wipes on shopping carts, what about all the food items you grab and put INTO the shopping cart?? What about the snotty nose kid riding in the cart and blew virus all over the other parts of the cart??? Sanitizing that handle aint gonna do S^&* (^*&^ (*&^ (
That's true.. I do wipe the handle down on the shopping cart though lol! And when I am forced to use a public restroom I get my paper towels to dry with first... stick them under my arm then wash, I use the towels to turn off the water and let myself out of the restroom as well ... so maybe my hands are germ free for a few minutes anyway! I've seen way too many people use the restroom and walk out without washing their hands.. gross... that's just simple hygiene right there and it amazes me how many don't do it. (Washing hands after using the restroom, especially a public restroom ) |
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| I also saw where if you dry your hands with those air driers that you are actually just spraying germs all over your hands since the air is filled with germs. Who knows what to do now a days!
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Location: NW | There is not one study with vaccinated people verses Unvaccinated people.
But with all the drug control studies, when the FDA releases a drug, that drug under goes many studies plus a placebo effect study before it even hits the market.... at least there are some drug studies...
BUT NOT ONE study like this has been done with vaccines....doesn't anyone ever question this?
So if vaccines truly work then the people that are vaccinated do not have anything to worry about because you are vaccinated and no illness will come to you because those vaccines work and you will not get sick....Right....Hum....just a thought... :)
The scientist don't have a clue what harm the flu vaccines will do to people taking the vaccines every year for 20 years, there are NO studies on this, you are the study, how wonderful it is to be human guinea pigs. :) LOL
Doctors get there info on vaccines from the vaccine companies that are selling them.. there is no bias there....
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| 4 Alarm Ranch - 2018-02-03 9:53 PM
There is not one study with vaccinated people verses Unvaccinated people.
But with all the drug control studies, when the FDA releases a drug, that drug under goes many studies plus a placebo effect study before it even hits the market.... at least there are some drug studies...
BUT NOT ONE study like this has been done with vaccines....doesn't anyone ever question this?
So if vaccines truly work then the people that are vaccinated do not have anything to worry about because you are vaccinated and no illness will come to you because those vaccines work and you will not get sick....Right....Hum....just a thought... :)
The scientist don't have a clue what harm the flu vaccines will do to people taking the vaccines every year for 20 years, there are NO studies on this, you are the study, how wonderful it is to be human guinea pigs. :) LOL
Doctors get there info on vaccines from the vaccine companies that are selling them.. there is no bias there....
But doctors DO KNOW how the immune system works. Vaccines trigger an immune response. Many debilitating diseases have been stopped because of vaccines. So polio just went away by chance then? My only issue with vaccines is duration. Like in horses, I’m not positive they have to be given as often as recommended. Why do we vaccinate humans for tetanus every 10 years but horses annually? That makes no sense. I have discussed vaccinations with my vet and was told until I saw a horse or human dying from tetanus, a preventable disease , then I had no room to judge effectiveness of vaccines. She has seen it, and it’s not pretty. I would rather get a vaccine and die from that vaccine 50 years later rather than not get it and die from tetanus , flu, polio , etc while I was young |
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Location: NW | I am talking about the flu vaccine.... Vaccine companies are loud and have trillions of dollars. They can make you believe anything you want... control the masses... the vaccine company's use scare tactics and it works... :)
vaccines have many toxic ingredients, like Formaldehyde (a carcinogen), Polysorbate 80, GMOs, Human Baby DNA, Animal DNA...
I was raised on a ranch I am fully aware of tetanus. I saw animals get it.and YES it is devastating. We vaccinated for tetanus. However, I also had a 3 year old filly about 10 years ago get the strangles, and YES she was fully vaccinated for the strangles.. She got strangles so bad almost died, and she was never the same.... the other 20 horses she was with, only about 5 others got the strangles.. the horses that weren't vaccinated pulled out of it quicker and did not have any health issues later on....
I am not saying all vaccines are bad, what I am saying is don't be sheep-peoples and believe everything you hear... We are all bright, intelligent STRONG COWGIRLS with a mind of our own. :) If you don't know something do research/Question it. Everyone is allowed to question things.... Make it your hobby to do research so you can know one way or the other and feel good. :) Do research on both sides... Look up who is publishing the research, how bias is it??? All any of us want is the safety and security of our family's :)
Look up Pub-Med and some other good scientific research sites...
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for anyone that would like some websites to look at and research here are some down below ...:)
Also there is a movie for free on Amazon Prime.... called "VAXXED" Robert DeNiro helped with this movie... finally after a couple years it is out for people to watch. This movie has BOTH sides so it lets you decided :)
Robert DeNiro---https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KOzqH6Q1ZE
https://www.amazon.com/Vaxxed-Cover-Up-Catastrophe-Del-Bigtree/dp/B0...
Here are some helpful sites to check out:
PubMed
USDA Food Composition Database
Cochrane Library
National Institutes of Health
NIH Botanical Supplement Factsheet
Medical News Today
Natural Medicines Research Collaboration
Oregon State Linus Pauling Institute
Google Scholar
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | 4 Alarm Ranch - 2018-02-04 1:38 PM
for anyone that would like some websites to look at and research here are some down below ...: )
Also there is a movie for free on Amazon Prime.... called "VAXXED" Robert DeNiro helped with this movie... finally after a couple years it is out for people to watch. This movie has BOTH sides so it lets you decided : )
Robert DeNiro---https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KOzqH6Q1ZE
https://www.amazon.com/Vaxxed-Cover-Up-Catastrophe-Del-Bigtree/dp/B0...
Here are some helpful sites to check out:
PubMed
USDA Food Com position Database
Cochrane Library
National Institutes of Health
NIH Botanical Supplement Factsheet
Medical News Today
Natural Medicines Research Collaboration
Oregon State Linus Pauling Institute
Google Scholar
Would you like me to blow your narrative out of the water now, or later?
Do you think vaccines are not natural? If you do, then please explain yourself in your words, not debate by “link”.
To me, one of the deadliest afflictions in modern history is the antivaxx movement. The most vulnerable are those suffering from a deficiency of Betz cells.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | The fact that you celebrate Robert DiNiro as an antivax advocate tells me a lot. |
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Location: NW | Bear - 2018-02-04 3:38 PM
The fact that you celebrate Robert DiNiro as an antivax advocate tells me a lot.
I never stated I celebrate Robert DeNiro, I do not know anything about him.... just letting people know he assisted with the movie...
Please do not be venomous about this, everyone has the right to question things. :)
But it seems when it comes to vaccines no-one has a choice to question...or do their own research... Why do we have to take anyones word for anything. :)
I have done my research already and continue doing so. this is not a topic for debate or venomous reactions, I am allowed to make my own adult informed decisions based on scientific data and research that I have done.
Just keep in mind the first Physician that washed his hands between patients and exams was laughed at by all his colleagues.
But sir thank you for the manner in which you responded. your response has proved my point.
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| For whatever reason, this particular strain triggers healthy immune systems to over react. Creating a cytokine storm. Scary stuff. Mimics sepsis but the treatment is obviously different. Happened to my niece last May. She contracted Mono, body overreacted causing multiple organ failure. Very very hard to treat and intensive. I think a lot of hospitals probably miss. Our local hospital totally missed it. Had she not had a heart attack she would have likely died. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Robert DeNiro is such a piece of dog poop and I would not belive a thing hes got to say.  |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I just think the antivax movement is crazy and most of it runs contrary to solid scientific evidence.
I’ll start with this:
Misconception #1: Because of better hygiene and sanitation, diseases had already begun to disappear before vaccines were introduced.
Misconception #2: The majority of people who get the disease have been immunized.
Misconception #3: There are hot lots of vaccine that have been associated with more adverse events and deaths than others. Parents should find the numbers of these lots and not allow their children to receive vaccines from them.
Misconception #4: Vaccines cause many harmful side effects, and even death—and may cause long-term effects we don't even know about.
Misconception #5: DTP vaccine causes sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS).
Misconception #6: Vaccine-preventable diseases have been virtually eliminated from the United States, so there is no need for my child to be vaccinated.
Misconception #7: Giving a child more than one vaccine at a time increases the risk of harmful side effects and can overload the immune system.
Misconception #8: There is no good reason to immunize against chickenpox (varicella) because it is a harmless disease.
Misconception #9: Vaccines cause autism.
Misconception #10: Hepatitis B vaccine causes chronic health problems, including multiple sclerosis.
Misconception #11: Thimerosal causes autism: Chelation therapy can cure it.
Misconception #12: Children get too many immunizations.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Statistics about the impact of vaccination on childhood diseases:
Disease # per yr. Cases 2007. % Decline
(Pre vaccine)
Diphtheria 175,885 0 100%
Tetanus 1,314 28 98%
Measles 503,282 43 99.9%
Mumps 152,209 800 99.5%
Rubella 47,745 12 99.9%
rubella 823 0 100% |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Here’s an important study that should interest most of you.
It was a study conducted over 5 years in kids.
Bottom line is this:
In kids with serious underlying health conditions the mortality from flu was 51% lower in vaccinated kids.
In HEALTHY kids, those vaccinated had a 65% lower mortality from flu.
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2017/p0403-flu-vaccine.html
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I’ve been an MD for almost 40 years.
Not ONCE have I been educated on vaccines by a pharmaceutical company.
Nobody should be forced to get a flu vaccine. I don’t feel real strongly about healthy adults getting the flu vaccine, but I recommend it, and here’s why. Over the years, scientists have developed complicated algorithms for predicting which of the hundreds of influenza strains are most likely to be prevalent in the upcoming year. It’s sort of a crap shoot, with some years being as much as 90% effective, and as little as 5% completely effective.
This year is not the best in terms of efficacy of the flu vaccine, however here’s the deal. Most people are at least partially protected in that the vaccinated folks tend to have milder forms of the illness that doesn’t last as long. The thing is you should decide early in the flu season to get maximum benefit.
Here’s another thing. The recommendations for the use of Tamiflu have changed this year. Tamiflu is an antiviral, but that term is a little misleading. It isn’t as effective against the influenza virus as antibiotics are against bacterial infections. Tamiflu, if given within 72 hours of the onset of symptoms tends to lessen the severity and duration of symptoms. Starting this year, Tamiflu has been recommended as prophylaxis for people who have been exposed to someone with known flu. I think the evidence that it reduces mortality from influenza is convincing. I recommend you talk to your doctor about it.
One last word. Typically the greatest risk for influenza is seen when people pick up a bad bacterial pneumonia on the heels of a bout of flu. If you or your child gets the flu and experience a worsening of respiratory symptoms after a period of improvement, don’t screw around......go in and be seen. |
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| To comment on the person who said there has been no studies on vaccinating (summarizing)
HPV, we started vaccinating women, surveillance globally showed by vaccinating women alone it reduced male mouth and penile cancer by 30 percent. That shows me the vaccine is effective.
As for the flu, I would be asking what strain is being cultured? Then seeing if it is covered in the vaccine.
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| 4 Alarm Ranch - 2018-02-04 1:26 PM
I am talking about the flu vaccine.... Vaccine companies are loud and have trillions of dollars. They can make you believe anything you want... control the masses... the vaccine company's use scare tactics and it works... :)
vaccines have many toxic ingredients, like Formaldehyde (a carcinogen), Polysorbate 80, GMOs, Human Baby DNA, Animal DNA...
I was raised on a ranch I am fully aware of tetanus. I saw animals get it.and YES it is devastating. We vaccinated for tetanus. However, I also had a 3 year old filly about 10 years ago get the strangles, and YES she was fully vaccinated for the strangles.. She got strangles so bad almost died, and she was never the same.... the other 20 horses she was with, only about 5 others got the strangles.. the horses that weren't vaccinated pulled out of it quicker and did not have any health issues later on....
I am not saying all vaccines are bad, what I am saying is don't be sheep-peoples and believe everything you hear... We are all bright, intelligent STRONG COWGIRLS with a mind of our own. :) If you don't know something do research/Question it. Everyone is allowed to question things.... Make it your hobby to do research so you can know one way or the other and feel good. :) Do research on both sides... Look up who is publishing the research, how bias is it??? All any of us want is the safety and security of our family's :)
Look up Pub-Med and some other good scientific research sites...
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The Flu... I'm curious