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| Breeding for resale value is nothing to be taken aback about.
Also, Dashing Chester is the same gene pool as everyone else. Same Dash For Cash and Moon names in there.
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | classicpotatochip - 2018-02-02 9:21 AM Breeding for resale value is nothing to be taken aback about. Also, Dashing Chester is the same gene pool as everyone else. Same Dash For Cash and Moon names in there. Find me a proven stallion that I don't recognize any of the names on his papers, and we'll talk turkey. And not arena proven, what have his progeny done?
all of this
I was trying to figure out how DC was not in the "puddle" and I was drawing a blank
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Location: LuluLand~along I64 Indiana | not exactly sure what your getting at. but maybe not completely out of the puddle i would look at a jet of honor stud or sugar rancher. my favorites would be rene dan jet and lightning sugar bull for producers in poles and barrels. |
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Location: OH | luluwhit - 2018-02-02 9:50 AM not exactly sure what your getting at. but maybe not completely out of the puddle i would look at a jet of honor stud or sugar rancher. my favorites would be rene dan jet and lightning sugar bull for producers in poles and barrels.
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Streakin Again http://www.llphorsefarms.com/Streakin.html
Be A Magnolia Runner http://www.futurefortunesinc.com/stallions/view/236
Docs Gettin Reckless http://www.futurefortunesinc.com/stallions/view/293
Dinkys Redman hes not alive but find a son or contact Amy Belk http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/dinkys+red+man
Unpopular yet proven choices that are affordable and not your average lines.
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| classicpotatochip - 2018-02-02 8:21 AM
Breeding for resale value is nothing to be taken aback about.
Also, Dashing Chester is the same gene pool as everyone else. Same Dash For Cash and Moon names in there.
Find me a proven stallion that I don't recognize any of the names on his papers, and we'll talk turkey. And not arena proven, what have his progeny done?
So are you saying we shouldn’t try to go outside the norm? I think that’s just going to make our “puddle” smaller. In 20 Years there won’t be ANY variation left.
I’m not saying go for something no one recognizes, but we have like 5 top sires that are eating up the industry. And on the progeny talk, too many sires are being bred to produce colts that will prove them that are themselves 3D horses. That’s dumb IMO. Why is it a bad thing to expect a stallion to be able to perform AND produce. And again, IMO just like in the racing world- I feel like they should perform and to see if they are good enough TO produce. Everyone with a yellow stud colt with FG, Sunfrost or DTF on their papers thinks is stallion worthy. Now, I know I’m not talking about EVERYBODY but you know what I mean.
I also have to disagree that Dashing Chester is bred like everyone else. Look at the BHW stallions and pick out the ones that DONT have FG, Sun frost or first down dash on their papers. See how many you have left. While Chester may not be far off the norm, it’s a start. |
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| rpreast - 2018-02-02 9:34 AM
I was curious to see if anyone had brought up Runner. He's apparently fabulous to be around and a hell of a head horse for Garret as well.
Them Magnolia Bar horses are great to be around and sure will steal your heart! 
Too bad we lost Magnolia Bar Jet!
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| RoaniePonie11 - 2018-02-02 9:31 AM
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Breeding for resale value is nothing to be taken aback about.
Also, Dashing Chester is the same gene pool as everyone else. Same Dash For Cash and Moon names in there.
Find me a proven stallion that I don't recognize any of the names on his papers, and we'll talk turkey. And not arena proven, what have his progeny done?
So are you saying we shouldn’t try to go outside the norm? I think that’s just going to make our “puddle” smaller. In 20 Years there won’t be ANY variation left.
I’m not saying go for something no one recognizes, but we have like 5 top sires that are eating up the industry. And on the progeny talk, too many sires are being bred to produce colts that will prove them that are themselves 3D horses. That’s dumb IMO. Why is it a bad thing to expect a stallion to be able to perform AND produce. And again, IMO just like in the racing world- I feel like they should perform and to see if they are good enough TO produce. Everyone with a yellow stud colt with FG, Sunfrost or DTF on their papers thinks is stallion worthy. Now, I know I’m not talking about EVERYBODY but you know what I mean.
I also have to disagree that Dashing Chester is bred like everyone else. Look at the BHW stallions and pick out the ones that DONT have FG, Sun frost or first down dash on their papers. See how many you have left. While Chester may not be far off the norm, it’s a start.
Sure. But you know where First Down Dash came from, right? Dash For Cash, and ummmm Top Moon.
I would love it if somebody would put something together that nobody had heard of, that can blow the doors off of the current pool, and send real performers to the track and the arena. That's my whole point.
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And half of those you can't even sell the baby for your breeding expense. There is a reason for a well defined gene pool...they are good at what they do. |
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| Whiteboy - 2018-02-02 10:03 AM
And half of those you can't even sell the baby for your breeding expense. There is a reason for a well defined gene pool...they are good at what they do.
Whoa
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classicpotatochip - 2018-02-02 8:21 AM
Breeding for resale value is nothing to be taken aback about.
Also, Dashing Chester is the same gene pool as everyone else. Same Dash For Cash and Moon names in there.
Find me a proven stallion that I don't recognize any of the names on his papers, and we'll talk turkey. And not arena proven, what have his progeny done?
So are you saying we shouldn’t try to go outside the norm? I think that’s just going to make our “puddle” smaller. In 20 Years there won’t be ANY variation left.
I’m not saying go for something no one recognizes, but we have like 5 top sires that are eating up the industry. And on the progeny talk, too many sires are being bred to produce colts that will prove them that are themselves 3D horses. That’s dumb IMO. Why is it a bad thing to expect a stallion to be able to perform AND produce. And again, IMO just like in the racing world- I feel like they should perform and to see if they are good enough TO produce. Everyone with a yellow stud colt with FG, Sunfrost or DTF on their papers thinks is stallion worthy. Now, I know I’m not talking about EVERYBODY but you know what I mean.
I also have to disagree that Dashing Chester is bred like everyone else. Look at the BHW stallions and pick out the ones that DONT have FG, Sun frost or first down dash on their papers. See how many you have left. While Chester may not be far off the norm, it’s a start.
Sure. But you know where First Down Dash came from, right? Dash For Cash, and ummmm Top Moon.
I would love it if somebody would put something together that nobody had heard of, that can blow the doors off of the current pool, and send real performers to the track and the arena. That's my whole point.
BUT I'm not going to throw my good mare away on something that I can pay another grand and get something that somebody actually wants to buy.
Yes I do realize where First Down Dash came from. In my mind I guess going back to Dash for Cash & Top Moon are more “purely” bred that way.
And I see where you are coming from about resale. It’s going to take someone (more than 1 someone’s) with money to burn to really step out there and create a new line of competitive horses.
I don’t think this discredits your good mare that’s bred this way, or any others for that matter. I’m just concerned with the future of barrel horses’ pedigrees. Looks like we just keep narrowing the gene pool every year. I don’t feel like breeding to something outside the norm would be throwing your mare away. It would depend on what you wanted the foal for I guess. Resale, sure, the current lines are the way to go. But it you wanted to breed for a foal to keep and perform on, that’s when I think it would be a good idea to look elsewhere. |
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And half of those you can't even sell the baby for your breeding expense. There is a reason for a well defined gene pool...they are good at what they do.
Whoa
your salty still over that other post huh
But to answer your question find me a Nik Dell, Streakin Again, or Docs Gettin Reckless for less that breeding to it and I **** sure will buy it because i'm lookin!
I guess I should assume Whiteboy owns a stallion bred the way we are discussing? Or is into the breeding business? This post is not out to offend anyone. Just maybe to open some minds. I don’t know how others feel but I see “line breeding” at the end of this tunnel. |
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| RoaniePonie11 - 2018-02-02 10:09 AM
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And half of those you can't even sell the baby for your breeding expense. There is a reason for a well defined gene pool...they are good at what they do.
Whoa
your salty still over that other post huh
But to answer your question find me a Nik Dell, Streakin Again, or Docs Gettin Reckless for less that breeding to it and I **** sure will buy it because i'm lookin!
I guess I should assume Whiteboy owns a stallion bred the way we are discussing? Or is into the breeding business? This post is not out to offend anyone. Just maybe to open some minds. I don’t know how others feel but I see “line breeding” at the end of this tunnel.
He has one with cow lines and got salty on another post when I said I didn't like cow x race combos I think he got his panties in a twist
He also brings up pulling equistat reports whenever I post but....everything i post has barrel earnings especially in the futurity world?
I don't know why hes so salty I don't mean to be offense and have tried to ignore him. 
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I love the idea of an outcross, who wouldn't. But it would have to be proven to be successful either himself or more importantly as a sire. And to do that, you need the big buyers/trainers/riders to take a chance on something. That isn't going to happen when the value is there with the FWF, FG, DTF etc. We get a few new ones that do have some of the same blood but in a different way-First Moonflash is a big one, Ivory James and of course the sons of the greats that are out of mares that might offer a new kind of blood.
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 11:14 AM RoaniePonie11 - 2018-02-02 10:09 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 10:07 AM Whiteboy - 2018-02-02 10:03 AM And half of those you can't even sell the baby for your breeding expense. There is a reason for a well defined gene pool...they are good at what they do. Whoa your salty still over that other post huh But to answer your question find me a Nik Dell, Streakin Again, or Docs Gettin Reckless for less that breeding to it and I **** sure will buy it because i'm lookin! I guess I should assume Whiteboy owns a stallion bred the way we are discussing? Or is into the breeding business? This post is not out to offend anyone. Just maybe to open some minds. I don’t know how others feel but I see “line breeding” at the end of this tunnel. He has one with cow lines and got salty on another post when I said I didn't like cow x race combos I think he got his panties in a twist He also brings up pulling equistat reports whenever I post but....everything i post has barrel earnings especially in the futurity world? I don't know why hes so salty I don't mean to be offense and have tried to ignore him.
Just curious and I am too lazy to look - how many winners has Doc's Reckless had? And, how many different riders? Has he himself been consistent in the pen?
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 11:14 AM RoaniePonie11 - 2018-02-02 10:09 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 10:07 AM Whiteboy - 2018-02-02 10:03 AM And half of those you can't even sell the baby for your breeding expense. There is a reason for a well defined gene pool...they are good at what they do. Whoa your salty still over that other post huh But to answer your question find me a Nik Dell, Streakin Again, or Docs Gettin Reckless for less that breeding to it and I **** sure will buy it because i'm lookin! I guess I should assume Whiteboy owns a stallion bred the way we are discussing? Or is into the breeding business? This post is not out to offend anyone. Just maybe to open some minds. I don’t know how others feel but I see “line breeding” at the end of this tunnel. He has one with cow lines and got salty on another post when I said I didn't like cow x race combos I think he got his panties in a twist He also brings up pulling equistat reports whenever I post but....everything i post has barrel earnings especially in the futurity world? I don't know why hes so salty I don't mean to be offense and have tried to ignore him.
Barrel Futurity money will show up in equistats reports.
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runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 11:14 AM RoaniePonie11 - 2018-02-02 10:09 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 10:07 AM Whiteboy - 2018-02-02 10:03 AM And half of those you can't even sell the baby for your breeding expense. There is a reason for a well defined gene pool...they are good at what they do. Whoa your salty still over that other post huh But to answer your question find me a Nik Dell, Streakin Again, or Docs Gettin Reckless for less that breeding to it and I **** sure will buy it because i'm lookin! I guess I should assume Whiteboy owns a stallion bred the way we are discussing? Or is into the breeding business? This post is not out to offend anyone. Just maybe to open some minds. I don’t know how others feel but I see “line breeding” at the end of this tunnel. He has one with cow lines and got salty on another post when I said I didn't like cow x race combos I think he got his panties in a twist He also brings up pulling equistat reports whenever I post but....everything i post has barrel earnings especially in the futurity world? I don't know why hes so salty I don't mean to be offense and have tried to ignore him.
4 people have won on him the two daughters and then Carl himself plus I think they let someone borrow him
If someone would pull those Equistat reports it would be helpful!!
HM Corner stone
Docs Reckless
are you ones I can name off the top of my head
Also the last Nik Dell colts to go though sales averaged 12k I can't remember what years at the BFA someone help me?
RLJ High Intensity sure brought the price of Streakin Again colts up in recent years. Two were in the slot race at Kinder last night.
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runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 11:14 AM RoaniePonie11 - 2018-02-02 10:09 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 10:07 AM Whiteboy - 2018-02-02 10:03 AM And half of those you can't even sell the baby for your breeding expense. There is a reason for a well defined gene pool...they are good at what they do. Whoa your salty still over that other post huh But to answer your question find me a Nik Dell, Streakin Again, or Docs Gettin Reckless for less that breeding to it and I **** sure will buy it because i'm lookin! I guess I should assume Whiteboy owns a stallion bred the way we are discussing? Or is into the breeding business? This post is not out to offend anyone. Just maybe to open some minds. I don’t know how others feel but I see “line breeding” at the end of this tunnel. He has one with cow lines and got salty on another post when I said I didn't like cow x race combos I think he got his panties in a twist He also brings up pulling equistat reports whenever I post but....everything i post has barrel earnings especially in the futurity world? I don't know why hes so salty I don't mean to be offense and have tried to ignore him.
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| runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 10:14 AM RoaniePonie11 - 2018-02-02 10:09 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 10:07 AM Whiteboy - 2018-02-02 10:03 AM And half of those you can't even sell the baby for your breeding expense. There is a reason for a well defined gene pool...they are good at what they do. Whoa your salty still over that other post huh But to answer your question find me a Nik Dell, Streakin Again, or Docs Gettin Reckless for less that breeding to it and I **** sure will buy it because i'm lookin! I guess I should assume Whiteboy owns a stallion bred the way we are discussing? Or is into the breeding business? This post is not out to offend anyone. Just maybe to open some minds. I don’t know how others feel but I see “line breeding” at the end of this tunnel. He has one with cow lines and got salty on another post when I said I didn't like cow x race combos I think he got his panties in a twist He also brings up pulling equistat reports whenever I post but....everything i post has barrel earnings especially in the futurity world? I don't know why hes so salty I don't mean to be offense and have tried to ignore him.
lol, 1st you aren't that memorable. I don't even know what you are taking about. 2nd, I'm not offended at all. Everybody has different tastes, thats great. 3rd I'm in the business and have been for a few years, its a pretty steep learning curve, I only share what I have learned. I hate to see people waste thier time and money looking to re-create the wheel. Someone might get lucky down the road, but its pretty unlikely. |
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| Whiteboy - 2018-02-02 10:27 AM
runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 10:14 AM RoaniePonie11 - 2018-02-02 10:09 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 10:07 AM Whiteboy - 2018-02-02 10:03 AM And half of those you can't even sell the baby for your breeding expense. There is a reason for a well defined gene pool...they are good at what they do. Whoa your salty still over that other post huh But to answer your question find me a Nik Dell, Streakin Again, or Docs Gettin Reckless for less that breeding to it and I **** sure will buy it because i'm lookin! I guess I should assume Whiteboy owns a stallion bred the way we are discussing? Or is into the breeding business? This post is not out to offend anyone. Just maybe to open some minds. I don’t know how others feel but I see “line breeding” at the end of this tunnel. He has one with cow lines and got salty on another post when I said I didn't like cow x race combos I think he got his panties in a twist He also brings up pulling equistat reports whenever I post but....everything i post has barrel earnings especially in the futurity world? I don't know why hes so salty I don't mean to be offense and have tried to ignore him.
Please give evidence of them selling for less than breeding costs then because I don't understand why you would comment that?
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I don't see anything on his pedigree that falls in the 'puddle'.
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| Whiteboy - 2018-02-02 10:27 AM
runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 10:14 AM RoaniePonie11 - 2018-02-02 10:09 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 10:07 AM Whiteboy - 2018-02-02 10:03 AM And half of those you can't even sell the baby for your breeding expense. There is a reason for a well defined gene pool...they are good at what they do. Whoa your salty still over that other post huh But to answer your question find me a Nik Dell, Streakin Again, or Docs Gettin Reckless for less that breeding to it and I **** sure will buy it because i'm lookin! I guess I should assume Whiteboy owns a stallion bred the way we are discussing? Or is into the breeding business? This post is not out to offend anyone. Just maybe to open some minds. I don’t know how others feel but I see “line breeding” at the end of this tunnel. He has one with cow lines and got salty on another post when I said I didn't like cow x race combos I think he got his panties in a twist He also brings up pulling equistat reports whenever I post but....everything i post has barrel earnings especially in the futurity world? I don't know why hes so salty I don't mean to be offense and have tried to ignore him.
I understand what you are saying about recreating the wheel but what if every time that wheel was used, it got smaller. Would you worry about running out of wheel? Nah mean?
And yeah, it’s been talked about that it would take someone with the $$$ to step out there to do the wheel recreating you speak of lol. Definitely not someone like me. Just a thought about the narrow options of stallions with big resale value. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 11:24 AM 1DSoon - 2018-02-02 10:22 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 11:14 AM RoaniePonie11 - 2018-02-02 10:09 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 10:07 AM Whiteboy - 2018-02-02 10:03 AM And half of those you can't even sell the baby for your breeding expense. There is a reason for a well defined gene pool...they are good at what they do. Whoa your salty still over that other post huh But to answer your question find me a Nik Dell, Streakin Again, or Docs Gettin Reckless for less that breeding to it and I **** sure will buy it because i'm lookin! I guess I should assume Whiteboy owns a stallion bred the way we are discussing? Or is into the breeding business? This post is not out to offend anyone. Just maybe to open some minds. I don’t know how others feel but I see “line breeding” at the end of this tunnel. He has one with cow lines and got salty on another post when I said I didn't like cow x race combos I think he got his panties in a twist He also brings up pulling equistat reports whenever I post but....everything i post has barrel earnings especially in the futurity world? I don't know why hes so salty I don't mean to be offense and have tried to ignore him.
Exactly please post reports for the stallions mentioned!
I missunderstood what you were saying. I thought you were saying there was no equistat because it was barrel fut.
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 11:51 AM Also we are talking about lesser known unadvertised stallions that aren't even at stud farms with unpopular lines. The cost of buying or breeding is going to be low. The ones I posted are proven themselves and have offspring with earnings. Each stud produced at least more than one and have a very low volume ratio on their foals to earnings.
Maybe it's just our definition of successful that is different.
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| Southtxponygirl - 2018-02-02 10:36 AM
If you think Whiteboy is being salty move on and ignore, hes giving his opinion just like you and the op. You look like your trying to start something.
http://forums.barrelhorseworld.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid...
http://forums.barrelhorseworld.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid...
I feel like both of these were salty. I don't see why I was attacked on this thread about stallions tho? I posted bloodlines out of the gene puddle because thats the thread. They won't be very high sellers but both stud is proven and so are the babies, they are good producers especially for the amount of foals on the ground. Not being at big stud farms and not being bred to blue hen mares.
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if by salty you mean right then I guess you have a point, that WB is being salty.
And it would appear from an outsiders perspective you are the one doing most of the attacking.
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Location: OH | runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 11:59 AM Southtxponygirl - 2018-02-02 10:36 AM If you think Whiteboy is being salty move on and ignore, hes giving his opinion just like you and the op. You look like your trying to start something. http://forums.barrelhorseworld.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid... http://forums.barrelhorseworld.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid... I feel like both of these were salty. I don't see why I was attacked on this thread about stallions tho? I posted bloodlines out of the gene puddle because thats the thread. They won't be very high sellers but both stud is proven and so are the babies, they are good producers especially for the amount of foals on the ground. Not being at big stud farms and not being bred to blue hen mares. Also they have good honest people trying to prove the genetics behind them! Not starting anything just trying to see why I was attacked?
I am sorry, but I have been on this forum for a long long time and have seen people attacked---I went back and read those and did not take those as being attacked. I looked at it as giving an opinion. |
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runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 11:51 AM Also we are talking about lesser known unadvertised stallions that aren't even at stud farms with unpopular lines. The cost of buying or breeding is going to be low. The ones I posted are proven themselves and have offspring with earnings. Each stud produced at least more than one and have a very low volume ratio on their foals to earnings.
Maybe it's just our definition of successful that is different.
Winning futurities, money, or selling colts for over 100k once they finish their derby yr isn't the definition? |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Outcrosses are good in general but it's also possible to breed proven sires, producers and performers, on the outside of the wheel who have slightly less common lines. Bullseye Bullion is one of these that would cross well on a DTF or ASOF or FWF or FG because he has none of those on his papers. And while some of the race breds will have common lines back three or four generations, that doesn't strike me as terribly line bred. And you discount the fact that a select group of buyers actually like a little smart line breeding here and there. At the end of the day, most breeders have to make a buck and don't want to gamble with their best mares. They want the best prospect or resale for their investment. It's good business. And let's be honest, those lines WIN.
I would certainly not mind seeing a nice complete outcross come into our industry but at some point he would just become part of the wheel too. If it is that big of a deal, there's lots of nice weanling colts sold every spring and summer. Buy one and give us and prove that outcross and then we can all come to you. :) |
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runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 11:59 AM Southtxponygirl - 2018-02-02 10:36 AM If you think Whiteboy is being salty move on and ignore, hes giving his opinion just like you and the op. You look like your trying to start something. http://forums.barrelhorseworld.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid... http://forums.barrelhorseworld.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid... I feel like both of these were salty. I don't see why I was attacked on this thread about stallions tho? I posted bloodlines out of the gene puddle because thats the thread. They won't be very high sellers but both stud is proven and so are the babies, they are good producers especially for the amount of foals on the ground. Not being at big stud farms and not being bred to blue hen mares. Also they have good honest people trying to prove the genetics behind them! Not starting anything just trying to see why I was attacked?
Maybe your right i'm just being sensitive I apologize. I feel passionately about those stallions and the people that own them tho! |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 10:59 AM
Southtxponygirl - 2018-02-02 10:36 AM
If you think Whiteboy is being salty move on and ignore, hes giving his opinion just like you and the op. You look like your trying to start something.
http://forums.barrelhorseworld.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid...
http://forums.barrelhorseworld.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid...
I feel like both of these were salty. I don't see why I was attacked on this thread about stallions tho? I posted bloodlines out of the gene puddle because thats the thread. They won't be very high sellers but both stud is proven and so are the babies, they are good producers especially for the amount of foals on the ground. Not being at big stud farms and not being bred to blue hen mares.
Also they have good honest people trying to prove the genetics behind them!
Not starting anything just trying to see why I was attacked?
Yes, and lots of good honest people have proven the bloodlines behind some of the more successful sires. It is possible to be honest AND want to be smart with your money and mare by breeding to proven and successful bloodlines. |
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| oija - 2018-02-02 11:11 AM
runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 10:59 AM
Southtxponygirl - 2018-02-02 10:36 AM
If you think Whiteboy is being salty move on and ignore, hes giving his opinion just like you and the op. You look like your trying to start something.
http://forums.barrelhorseworld.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid...
http://forums.barrelhorseworld.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid...
I feel like both of these were salty. I don't see why I was attacked on this thread about stallions tho? I posted bloodlines out of the gene puddle because thats the thread. They won't be very high sellers but both stud is proven and so are the babies, they are good producers especially for the amount of foals on the ground. Not being at big stud farms and not being bred to blue hen mares.
Also they have good honest people trying to prove the genetics behind them!
Not starting anything just trying to see why I was attacked?
Yes, and lots of good honest people have proven the bloodlines behind some of the more successful sires. It is possible to be honest AND want to be smart with your money and mare by breeding to proven and successful bloodlines.
Oh I agree with going with more proven lines first but these are out crosses that are proven themselves and have colts winning, so would be a good choice if looking outside the box. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 12:05 PM 1DSoon - 2018-02-02 10:55 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 11:51 AM Also we are talking about lesser known unadvertised stallions that aren't even at stud farms with unpopular lines. The cost of buying or breeding is going to be low. The ones I posted are proven themselves and have offspring with earnings. Each stud produced at least more than one and have a very low volume ratio on their foals to earnings. Maybe it's just our definition of successful that is different.
Winning futurities, money, or selling colts for over 100k once they finish their derby yr isn't the definition?
Which ones of those three that you mentioned sold a get for over $100K after the derby year?
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| oija - 2018-02-02 11:05 AM Outcrosses are good in general but it's also possible to breed proven sires, producers and performers, on the outside of the wheel who have slightly less common lines. Bullseye Bullion is one of these that would cross well on a DTF or ASOF or FWF or FG because he has none of those on his papers. And while some of the race breds will have common lines back three or four generations, that doesn't strike me as terribly line bred. And you discount the fact that a select group of buyers actually like a little smart line breeding here and there. At the end of the day, most breeders have to make a buck and don't want to gamble with their best mares. They want the best prospect or resale for their investment. It's good business. And let's be honest, those lines WIN. I would certainly not mind seeing a nice complete outcross come into our industry but at some point he would just become part of the wheel too. If it is that big of a deal, there's lots of nice weanling colts sold every spring and summer. Buy one and give us and prove that outcross and then we can all come to you. :)
I think Bullseye Bullion looks like a great outcross for the industry, hopefully he produces. Blazin Jetolena is another one I like. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Whiteboy - 2018-02-02 11:15 AM
oija - 2018-02-02 11:05 AM Outcrosses are good in general but it's also possible to breed proven sires, producers and performers, on the outside of the wheel who have slightly less common lines. Bullseye Bullion is one of these that would cross well on a DTF or ASOF or FWF or FG because he has none of those on his papers. And while some of the race breds will have common lines back three or four generations, that doesn't strike me as terribly line bred. And you discount the fact that a select group of buyers actually like a little smart line breeding here and there. At the end of the day, most breeders have to make a buck and don't want to gamble with their best mares. They want the best prospect or resale for their investment. It's good business. And let's be honest, those lines WIN. I would certainly not mind seeing a nice complete outcross come into our industry but at some point he would just become part of the wheel too. If it is that big of a deal, there's lots of nice weanling colts sold every spring and summer. Buy one and give us and prove that outcross and then we can all come to you. :)
I think Bullseye Bullion looks like a great outcross for the industry, hopefully he produces. Blazin Jetolena is another one I like.
Agree! And if you want to go more performance horse lines as versus race, there are plenty of those in my opinion. We have tons of really nice stallions in our industry at all price ranges. |
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runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 12:05 PM 1DSoon - 2018-02-02 10:55 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 11:51 AM Also we are talking about lesser known unadvertised stallions that aren't even at stud farms with unpopular lines. The cost of buying or breeding is going to be low. The ones I posted are proven themselves and have offspring with earnings. Each stud produced at least more than one and have a very low volume ratio on their foals to earnings. Maybe it's just our definition of successful that is different.
Winning futurities, money, or selling colts for over 100k once they finish their derby yr isn't the definition?
Here are the heavy hitters for the 3 I mentioned, not one that sold over but 3:
Nik Dell - Nikki Black bought by Laney Whitmire 100k sold by Junior Fallen and Cody B.
Here is a link http://duke-racing.com/stallions with more info on others such as Star 67 the Henning's have and All Legs N Diamonds which
sold for good money
Streakin Again- JRL High Intensity over 100k by Brett M. to the Chouests
Kassie Mowrie currently has LLP Silent Prayer that is doing awesome this year for her and Micheal B. Ran 18th in the long go of the slot at
Kinder Cup last night.
Docs Gettin Reckless- They turned down a lot (I'm sure upper 6 figures) for Docs Reckless - Abby Gray has been doing awesome on him in the youth. And can't forgot this girl who sold for over 100K http://copperspringranch.com/Horses/Horse/jk-reckless-lady
The above new owners of JK Reckless Lady also bought Jet Black Patroit, who they kept at Ribocheux to get LA breds but it would be so cool to see an embryo from the two.
There is a Docs Gettin Reckless gelding out of a DTF mare bred by RSL Enterprises in the Kinder sale this weekend, we will see if it brings over the breeding fee.
Fun Fact: Laney owns Bullseye Bullion that Cody B started and Alexa willis is running for Laney. I wouldn't consider bully bullion nor shawne bug to be outcrosses in our industry but I do love him. He is an amazing individual.
Deep Sixum should be mentioned as an outcross as well. With get such as "Sixums Lady Luck" who sold for 6 figures, currently being ridden up Destri for the Chouests
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 10:59 AM
Southtxponygirl - 2018-02-02 10:36 AM
If you think Whiteboy is being salty move on and ignore, hes giving his opinion just like you and the op. You look like your trying to start something.
http://forums.barrelhorseworld.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid...
http://forums.barrelhorseworld.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid...
I feel like both of these were salty. I don't see why I was attacked on this thread about stallions tho? I posted bloodlines out of the gene puddle because thats the thread. They won't be very high sellers but both stud is proven and so are the babies, they are good producers especially for the amount of foals on the ground. Not being at big stud farms and not being bred to blue hen mares.
Also they have good honest people trying to prove the genetics behind them!
Not starting anything just trying to see why I was attacked?
I didn't read any where that WB was attacking you, looks like a normal everyday discussion. 
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| Southtxponygirl - 2018-02-02 11:47 AM
runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 10:59 AM
Southtxponygirl - 2018-02-02 10:36 AM
If you think Whiteboy is being salty move on and ignore, hes giving his opinion just like you and the op. You look like your trying to start something.
http://forums.barrelhorseworld.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid...
http://forums.barrelhorseworld.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid...
I feel like both of these were salty. I don't see why I was attacked on this thread about stallions tho? I posted bloodlines out of the gene puddle because thats the thread. They won't be very high sellers but both stud is proven and so are the babies, they are good producers especially for the amount of foals on the ground. Not being at big stud farms and not being bred to blue hen mares.
Also they have good honest people trying to prove the genetics behind them!
Not starting anything just trying to see why I was attacked?
I didn't read any where that WB was attacking you, looks like a normal everyday discussion.
Honey I done apologized can we talk pedigrees? |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 11:43 AM
3canstorun - 2018-02-02 11:15 AM
runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 12:05 PM 1DSoon - 2018-02-02 10:55 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 11:51 AM Also we are talking about lesser known unadvertised stallions that aren't even at stud farms with unpopular lines. The cost of buying or breeding is going to be low. The ones I posted are proven themselves and have offspring with earnings. Each stud produced at least more than one and have a very low volume ratio on their foals to earnings. Maybe it's just our definition of successful that is different.
Winning futurities, money, or selling colts for over 100k once they finish their derby yr isn't the definition?
Here are the heavy hitters for the 3 I mentioned:
Nik Dell - Nikki Black bought by Laney Whitmire 100k sold by Junior Fallen and Cody B.
Streakin Again- JRL High Intensity over 100k by Brett M. to the Chouests
Kassie Mowrie currently has LLP Silent Prayer that is doing awesome this year for her and Micheal B. Ran 18th in the long go of the slot at
Kinder Cup last night.
Docs Gettin Reckless- They turned down a lot (I'm sure upper 6 figures ) for Docs Reckless - Abby Gray has been doing awesome on him in the youth. And can't forgot this girl who sold for over 100K http://copperspringranch.com/Horses/Horse/jk-reckless-lady
The above new owners of JK Reckless Lady also bought Jet Black Patroit, who they kept at Ribocheux to get LA breds but it would be so cool to see an embryo from the two.
Fun Fact: Laney owns Bullseye Bullion that Cody B started and Alexa willis is running for Laney. I wouldn't consider bully bullion nor shawne bug to be outcrosses in our industry but I do love him. He is an amazing individual.
Deep Sixum should be mentioned as an outcross as well. With get such as "Sixums Lady Luck" who sold for 6 figures
You see the SB and BB more on bottom sides so its good to have it on the top side. I said he was an outcross for most of the major sire lines. So if you had a daughter of DTF, FWF, or FG for instance, it would be an outcross (depending on her bottom side of course). That would be on the outside of the wheel (to use your reference). Blazin Jetolena that WB mentioned would offer a similar option. Even SBD has some less common running lines and dam's side than many barrel horses. In my opinion, a lot of cutting horses have a considerably smaller set of breeding lines. |
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| oija - 2018-02-02 12:11 PM
runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 11:43 AM
3canstorun - 2018-02-02 11:15 AM
runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 12:05 PM 1DSoon - 2018-02-02 10:55 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 11:51 AM Also we are talking about lesser known unadvertised stallions that aren't even at stud farms with unpopular lines. The cost of buying or breeding is going to be low. The ones I posted are proven themselves and have offspring with earnings. Each stud produced at least more than one and have a very low volume ratio on their foals to earnings. Maybe it's just our definition of successful that is different.
Winning futurities, money, or selling colts for over 100k once they finish their derby yr isn't the definition?
Here are the heavy hitters for the 3 I mentioned:
Nik Dell - Nikki Black bought by Laney Whitmire 100k sold by Junior Fallen and Cody B.
Streakin Again- JRL High Intensity over 100k by Brett M. to the Chouests
Kassie Mowrie currently has LLP Silent Prayer that is doing awesome this year for her and Micheal B. Ran 18th in the long go of the slot at
Kinder Cup last night.
Docs Gettin Reckless- They turned down a lot (I'm sure upper 6 figures ) for Docs Reckless - Abby Gray has been doing awesome on him in the youth. And can't forgot this girl who sold for over 100K http://copperspringranch.com/Horses/Horse/jk-reckless-lady
The above new owners of JK Reckless Lady also bought Jet Black Patroit, who they kept at Ribocheux to get LA breds but it would be so cool to see an embryo from the two.
There is a Docs Getting Reckless out of a DTF mare bred by RSL enterprises in the Kinder sale Hip 4. I guess we will see what it brings, if it brings over the cost of breeding.
Fun Fact: Laney owns Bullseye Bullion that Cody B started and Alexa willis is running for Laney. I wouldn't consider bully bullion nor shawne bug to be outcrosses in our industry but I do love him. He is an amazing individual.
Deep Sixum should be mentioned as an outcross as well. With get such as "Sixums Lady Luck" who sold for 6 figures
You see the SB and BB more on bottom sides so its good to have it on the top side. I said he was an outcross for most of the major sire lines. So if you had a daughter of DTF, FWF, or FG for instance, it would be an outcross (depending on her bottom side of course ). That would be on the outside of the wheel (to use your reference ). Blazin Jetolena that WB mentioned would offer a similar option. Even SBD has some less common running lines and dam's side than many barrel horses. In my opinion, a lot of cutting horses have a considerably smaller set of breeding lines.
Your right I don't think any BB studs have made it, they are hard headed suckers. I know they debated gelding him for that reason.
I love BB on the bottom crossed with R. Smith it has produced horses such as this mare that Carly T. rides http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/diva+dinero
Yes I know Dinero is from popular lines but the mare, that Lauren M. lost is no longer with us to see what all she would have produced. I would love for people to share any offspring from R. Smith lines that they have on this out cross thread!
R. Smith is definitely out of the gene puddle but has been on the bottom of some greats.
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| So, last night I watched the Kinder Cup shootout I believe it was. Almost all the horses were the latest and greatest designer bred, yet it seemed close to 75% of the 50+ horses ran .5+ off the winning time. For the record I didnt see the results, im just going off what I remembered.
Why are these well bred horses running that far off the winning times?
You would think if the breeding was so important the times would have been tighter.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 11:16 AM oija - 2018-02-02 12:11 PM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 11:43 AM 3canstorun - 2018-02-02 11:15 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 12:05 PM 1DSoon - 2018-02-02 10:55 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 11:51 AM Also we are talking about lesser known unadvertised stallions that aren't even at stud farms with unpopular lines. The cost of buying or breeding is going to be low. The ones I posted are proven themselves and have offspring with earnings. Each stud produced at least more than one and have a very low volume ratio on their foals to earnings. Maybe it's just our definition of successful that is different.
Winning futurities, money, or selling colts for over 100k once they finish their derby yr isn't the definition?
Here are the heavy hitters for the 3 I mentioned: Nik Dell - Nikki Black bought by Laney Whitmire 100k sold by Junior Fallen and Cody B. Streakin Again- JRL High Intensity over 100k by Brett M. to the Chouests Kassie Mowrie currently has LLP Silent Prayer that is doing awesome this year for her and Micheal B. Ran 18th in the long go of the slot at Kinder Cup last night. Docs Gettin Reckless- They turned down a lot (I'm sure upper 6 figures ) for Docs Reckless - Abby Gray has been doing awesome on him in the youth. And can't forgot this girl who sold for over 100K http://copperspringranch.com/Horses/Horse/jk-reckless-lady The above new owners of JK Reckless Lady also bought Jet Black Patroit, who they kept at Ribocheux to get LA breds but it would be so cool to see an embryo from the two. There is a Docs Getting Reckless out of a DTF mare bred by RSL enterprises in the Kinder sale Hip 4. I guess we will see what it brings, if it brings over the cost of breeding. Fun Fact: Laney owns Bullseye Bullion that Cody B started and Alexa willis is running for Laney. I wouldn't consider bully bullion nor shawne bug to be outcrosses in our industry but I do love him. He is an amazing individual. Deep Sixum should be mentioned as an outcross as well. With get such as "Sixums Lady Luck" who sold for 6 figures You see the SB and BB more on bottom sides so its good to have it on the top side. I said he was an outcross for most of the major sire lines. So if you had a daughter of DTF, FWF, or FG for instance, it would be an outcross (depending on her bottom side of course ). That would be on the outside of the wheel (to use your reference ). Blazin Jetolena that WB mentioned would offer a similar option. Even SBD has some less common running lines and dam's side than many barrel horses. In my opinion, a lot of cutting horses have a considerably smaller set of breeding lines. Your right I don't think any BB studs have made it, they are hard headed suckers. I know they debated gelding him for that reason. I love BB on the bottom crossed with R. Smith it has produced horses such as this mare that Carly T. rides http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/diva+dinero Yes I know Dinero is from popular lines but the mare, that Lauren M. lost is no longer with us to see what all she would have produced. I would love for people to share any offspring from R. Smith lines that they have on this out cross thread! R. Smith is definitely out of the gene puddle but has been on the bottom of some greats.
BB just hasn't been a successful sire of sires. Bullseye Bullion is sure nice, and he may be The One. I sure admire him. |
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| joemama - 2018-02-02 1:55 PM
So, last night I watched the Kinder Cup shootout I believe it was. Almost all the horses were the latest and greatest designer bred, yet it seemed close to 75% of the 50+ horses ran .5+ off the winning time. For the record I didnt see the results, im just going off what I remembered.
Why are these well bred horses running that far off the winning times?
You would think if the breeding was so important the times would have been tighter.
http://kinderbarrelrace.com/2018-bfa-futurity-results/
Results from the 50 horse slot field. You can also find how each were bred sire and dam. Keep in mind the ground at Kinder is deep and loose, colts have always struggled with the ground. Lacey's BRH FS was struggling trying to work in that deep stuff. |
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| runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 9:37 AM rpreast - 2018-02-02 9:34 AM I was curious to see if anyone had brought up Runner. He's apparently fabulous to be around and a hell of a head horse for Garret as well. Them Magnolia Bar horses are great to be around and sure will steal your heart! Too bad we lost Magnolia Bar Jet! Oh another line is Dinkys Redman! Amy Belk in TN still has a lot of those!
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joemama - 2018-02-02 1:55 PM
So, last night I watched the Kinder Cup shootout I believe it was. Almost all the horses were the latest and greatest designer bred, yet it seemed close to 75% of the 50+ horses ran .5+ off the winning time. For the record I didnt see the results, im just going off what I remembered.
Why are these well bred horses running that far off the winning times?
You would think if the breeding was so important the times would have been tighter.
http://kinderbarrelrace.com/2018-bfa-futurity-results/
Results from the 50 horse slot field. You can also find how each were bred sire and dam. Keep in mind the ground at Kinder is deep and loose, colts have always struggled with the ground. Lacey's BRH FS was struggling trying to work in that deep stuff.
Almost every well known race is this way, why?
If the stud is so important why do a high percentage of the "same" well bred horses run over a half second off all the time?
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | joemama - 2018-02-02 1:24 PM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 2:06 PM joemama - 2018-02-02 1:55 PM So, last night I watched the Kinder Cup shootout I believe it was. Almost all the horses were the latest and greatest designer bred, yet it seemed close to 75% of the 50+ horses ran .5+ off the winning time. For the record I didnt see the results, im just going off what I remembered. Why are these well bred horses running that far off the winning times? You would think if the breeding was so important the times would have been tighter. http://kinderbarrelrace.com/2018-bfa-futurity-results/ Results from the 50 horse slot field. You can also find how each were bred sire and dam. Keep in mind the ground at Kinder is deep and loose, colts have always struggled with the ground. Lacey's BRH FS was struggling trying to work in that deep stuff. Almost every well known race is this way, why? If the stud is so important why do a high percentage of the "same" well bred horses run over a half second off all the time?
Because not every horse can be a winner at each event? FDD is by far the leading sire of money earners. But not all his offspring win every single race. There may be 20 get in a time trial, 5 may make the finals in a 10 horse field. But often at least 1 is in the top 3. He is popular because of that. He betters your odds at having a winning race horse. Same with leading barrel sires, even as grandget they better your odds at winning, but they can't guarantee it. I am not interested in a one hit wonder that wins 3 slot races and takes home $200,000 while no other siblings win anything. I want one that in a field of 100 horses, the top 10 are by my same sire (if I were buying/training/riding) for the futurities. Money talks. |
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| joemama - 2018-02-02 2:24 PM
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joemama - 2018-02-02 1:55 PM
So, last night I watched the Kinder Cup shootout I believe it was. Almost all the horses were the latest and greatest designer bred, yet it seemed close to 75% of the 50+ horses ran .5+ off the winning time. For the record I didnt see the results, im just going off what I remembered.
Why are these well bred horses running that far off the winning times?
You would think if the breeding was so important the times would have been tighter.
http://kinderbarrelrace.com/2018-bfa-futurity-results/
Results from the 50 horse slot field. You can also find how each were bred sire and dam. Keep in mind the ground at Kinder is deep and loose, colts have always struggled with the ground. Lacey's BRH FS was struggling trying to work in that deep stuff.
Almost every well known race is this way, why?
If the stud is so important why do a high percentage of the "same" well bred horses run over a half second off all the time?
Well you want one out of a nice mare such as Mistys Dash OF Fame. She has 3 awesome colts doing well this year.
Most people never take into account the high volume of mares bred to FG, DTF, etc
Some lesser known small stud crop sires produce high numbers as the ones I posted early.
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runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 9:37 AM rpreast - 2018-02-02 9:34 AM I was curious to see if anyone had brought up Runner. He's apparently fabulous to be around and a hell of a head horse for Garret as well. Them Magnolia Bar horses are great to be around and sure will steal your heart! Too bad we lost Magnolia Bar Jet! Oh another line is Dinkys Redman! Amy Belk in TN still has a lot of those!
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2018-02-02 2:34 PM
joemama - 2018-02-02 1:24 PM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 2:06 PM joemama - 2018-02-02 1:55 PM So, last night I watched the Kinder Cup shootout I believe it was. Almost all the horses were the latest and greatest designer bred, yet it seemed close to 75% of the 50+ horses ran .5+ off the winning time. For the record I didnt see the results, im just going off what I remembered. Why are these well bred horses running that far off the winning times? You would think if the breeding was so important the times would have been tighter. http://kinderbarrelrace.com/2018-bfa-futurity-results/ Results from the 50 horse slot field. You can also find how each were bred sire and dam. Keep in mind the ground at Kinder is deep and loose, colts have always struggled with the ground. Lacey's BRH FS was struggling trying to work in that deep stuff. Almost every well known race is this way, why? If the stud is so important why do a high percentage of the "same" well bred horses run over a half second off all the time?
He betters your odds?
How many of his babies hit the ground every year vs win races?
Or he "betters your odds" when paired with winning trainers and jockeys?
I think great trainers and jockeys better your odds more than any stud.
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So, last night I watched the Kinder Cup shootout I believe it was. Almost all the horses were the latest and greatest designer bred, yet it seemed close to 75% of the 50+ horses ran .5+ off the winning time. For the record I didnt see the results, im just going off what I remembered.
Why are these well bred horses running that far off the winning times?
You would think if the breeding was so important the times would have been tighter.
http://kinderbarrelrace.com/2018-bfa-futurity-results/
Results from the 50 horse slot field. You can also find how each were bred sire and dam. Keep in mind the ground at Kinder is deep and loose, colts have always struggled with the ground. Lacey's BRH FS was struggling trying to work in that deep stuff.
Almost every well known race is this way, why?
If the stud is so important why do a high percentage of the "same" well bred horses run over a half second off all the time?
Well you want one out of a nice mare such as Mistys Dash OF Fame. She has 3 awesome colts doing well this year.
Most people never take into account the high volume of mares bred to FG, DTF, etc
Some lesser known small stud crop sires produce high numbers as the ones I posted early.
Agreed.
MARE POWER!
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| joemama - 2018-02-02 3:21 PM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 2:40 PM joemama - 2018-02-02 2:24 PM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 2:06 PM joemama - 2018-02-02 1:55 PM So, last night I watched the Kinder Cup shootout I believe it was. Almost all the horses were the latest and greatest designer bred, yet it seemed close to 75% of the 50+ horses ran .5+ off the winning time. For the record I didnt see the results, im just going off what I remembered. Why are these well bred horses running that far off the winning times? You would think if the breeding was so important the times would have been tighter. http://kinderbarrelrace.com/2018-bfa-futurity-results/ Results from the 50 horse slot field. You can also find how each were bred sire and dam. Keep in mind the ground at Kinder is deep and loose, colts have always struggled with the ground. Lacey's BRH FS was struggling trying to work in that deep stuff. Almost every well known race is this way, why? If the stud is so important why do a high percentage of the "same" well bred horses run over a half second off all the time? Well you want one out of a nice mare such as Mistys Dash OF Fame. She has 3 awesome colts doing well this year. Most people never take into account the high volume of mares bred to FG, DTF, etc Some lesser known small stud crop sires produce high numbers as the ones I posted early. Agreed. MARE POWER!
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| No.....docs reckless is not out of the same mare.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/docs+reckless
The mare produced iza dashing feature which is by a little known FDD stud that has some nice old school running blood with kipty's charger and rebs policy on there!
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So, last night I watched the Kinder Cup shootout I believe it was. Almost all the horses were the latest and greatest designer bred, yet it seemed close to 75% of the 50+ horses ran .5+ off the winning time. For the record I didnt see the results, im just going off what I remembered.
Why are these well bred horses running that far off the winning times?
You would think if the breeding was so important the times would have been tighter.
http://kinderbarrelrace.com/2018-bfa-futurity-results/
Results from the 50 horse slot field. You can also find how each were bred sire and dam. Keep in mind the ground at Kinder is deep and loose, colts have always struggled with the ground. Lacey's BRH FS was struggling trying to work in that deep stuff.
Almost every well known race is this way, why?
If the stud is so important why do a high percentage of the "same" well bred horses run over a half second off all the time?
Well you want one out of a nice mare such as Mistys Dash OF Fame. She has 3 awesome colts doing well this year.
Most people never take into account the high volume of mares bred to FG, DTF, etc
Some lesser known small stud crop sires produce high numbers as the ones I posted early.
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Location: Desert Land | I would not say this horse is out of an unproven mare. The dam Mac Nightly Feature is also the dam of IZA Dashing Feature that Nicole Love did well on. The dam seems like a proven producer to me.
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I would not say this horse is out of an unproven mare. The dam Mac Nightly Feature is also the dam of IZA Dashing Feature that Nicole Love did well on. The dam seems like a proven producer to me.
Sorry your exactly right! Just making a point it was not the same mare as jk reckless lady or hm cornerstone.
There's another one outta that mare Johnny has that Kyle was riding. I dunno where it went. I didn't know Nicole ever had that horse I thought Kyle Noon just rode it.
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| reese_tx - 2018-02-02 10:33 AM
Here in N Texas at just about any jackpot you're more than likely to find one out of Jesses Double Dee - 1D barrel horse and she did well roping off of him as well.
I don't see anything on his pedigree that falls in the 'puddle'.
Beautiful buckskin to boot! Wish I had one...
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/jesses+double+dee
You beat me to it!!!
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El Shady Zorrero. Brazil's number one producing stallion even in front of DTF, Tres Seis, Designer Red, FG and others. Produced over 4 million.
He has semen in Gainesville, TX
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To be honest, you have more diversity in the barrel industry than any other discipline. Cow breds, race breds, reining rejects, cutting drop outs. You don’t see a Peppy San Badger running in the All American or a Dash Ta Fame at the NCHA. But look at the diversity of pedigrees at the NFR.
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Location: Wyoming | I think that given the amount of mares these popular stallions are bred too they are bound to have winners. I’ve seen many a 4-5 D out of these same popular stallions.
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So, last night I watched the Kinder Cup shootout I believe it was. Almost all the horses were the latest and greatest designer bred, yet it seemed close to 75% of the 50+ horses ran .5+ off the winning time. For the record I didnt see the results, im just going off what I remembered.
Why are these well bred horses running that far off the winning times?
You would think if the breeding was so important the times would have been tighter.
http://kinderbarrelrace.com/2018-bfa-futurity-results/
Results from the 50 horse slot field. You can also find how each were bred sire and dam. Keep in mind the ground at Kinder is deep and loose, colts have always struggled with the ground. Lacey's BRH FS was struggling trying to work in that deep stuff.
Almost every well known race is this way, why?
If the stud is so important why do a high percentage of the "same" well bred horses run over a half second off all the time?
Because everyone fixates on the sire and no one looks at the dam. The dam is 80%. Obviously not genetically, but it’s been my experience that the personality and desire tend to come from the mare.
How many “what should I breed her to” posts do we see where people want to “offset flaws” and they think that they can custom order parts and pieces from each parent to create the perfect foal when that is NOT reality and how breeding works. I’m sorry, but if something is so obviously off that you label it a “flaw”, maybe you shouldn’t breed the mare. Mediocre mares are being bred to proven stallions and when the resulting foal fails to perform...everyone blames the stallion for every single personality issue or conformational defect. When the truth is...the dam is probably more to blame.
ETA you also need to take training into account. Not every horse can stand up to the pressure of being a futurity horse. It might work for a year or two, but the burnout rate for futurity horses is very high. Few go on to make standout rodeo horses. Mental pressure tends to take all the try and confidence out of many horses.
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Cow breed that are proven to produce 1D rodeo winning barrel horses? There are lots of those....
Old time breeding you don't see much any more? Jody Oh ... Truly Truckle ...
Beduino? I mean that's not FDD or DTF
I find when most people say "small gene pool" they are specifically referring to Dash ta fame ..... First down dash ... Thus dash for cash. Ya I get it a ton stallions are either by or out of daughters. But quite honestly if you can't find one that's not your just not looking, IMO there are lots out there. And if you want an NFR producer look to Blazin Jet Oleana or even 99 goldmine ....
I think we are set up with all these daughters out of wicked awesome proven time and time again stallions to do something really cool. I don't think barrel horses are in breed into a corner by any means.
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| SKM - 2018-02-03 7:35 AM
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So, last night I watched the Kinder Cup shootout I believe it was. Almost all the horses were the latest and greatest designer bred, yet it seemed close to 75% of the 50+ horses ran .5+ off the winning time. For the record I didnt see the results, im just going off what I remembered.
Why are these well bred horses running that far off the winning times?
You would think if the breeding was so important the times would have been tighter.
http://kinderbarrelrace.com/2018-bfa-futurity-results/
Results from the 50 horse slot field. You can also find how each were bred sire and dam. Keep in mind the ground at Kinder is deep and loose, colts have always struggled with the ground. Lacey's BRH FS was struggling trying to work in that deep stuff.
Almost every well known race is this way, why?
If the stud is so important why do a high percentage of the "same" well bred horses run over a half second off all the time?
Because everyone fixates on the sire and no one looks at the dam. The dam is 80%. Obviously not genetically, but it’s been my experience that the personality and desire tend to come from the mare.
How many “what should I breed her to” posts do we see where people wasn’t to “offset flaws” and they think that they can custom order parts and pieces from each parent to create the perfect foal when that is NOT reality and how breeding works. I’m sorry, but if something is so obviously off that you label it a “flaw”, maybe you shouldn’t breed the mare. Mediocre mares are being bred to proven stallions and when the resulting foal fails to perform...everyone blames the stallion for every single personality issue or conformational defect. When the truth is...the dam is probably more to blame.
ETA you also need to take training into account. Not every horse can stand up to the pressure of being a futurity horse. It might work for a year or two, but the burnout rate for futurity horses is very high. Few go on to make standout rodeo horses. Mental pressure tends to take all the try and confidence out of many horses.
Me and my daughter always discuss that. We figure people end up with the flaws of each more often than not.
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Location: Michigan | runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 4:54 PM
No.....docs reckless is not out of the same mare.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/docs+reckless
The mare produced iza dashing feature which is by a little known FDD stud that has some nice old school running blood with kipty's charger and rebs policy on there!
Our stallion is a grand get of Kiptsy Charger. His only foal to futurity was with Marne. They did really well this year at the BFA. Qualified to the short go & tied for the fastest time in the short go to win 4th in the average. We were thrilled to say the least. Our stallion is a proven producer & a proven performer. It takes a lot of money to promote like the "puddle" horses. We don't have that kind of cash. |
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runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 4:54 PM
No.....docs reckless is not out of the same mare.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/docs+reckless
The mare produced iza dashing feature which is by a little known FDD stud that has some nice old school running blood with kipty's charger and rebs policy on there!
Our stallion is a grand get of Kiptsy Charger. His only foal to futurity was with Marne. They did really well this year at the BFA. Qualified to the short go & tied for the fastest time in the short go to win 4th in the average. We were thrilled to say the least. Our stallion is a proven producer & a proven performer. It takes a lot of money to promote like the "puddle" horses. We don't have that kind of cash.
I saw your colt and liked it!
Congrats on getting one into good hands! Love that old racing blood. Indy Charger should definitely be mentioned as an out cross as well. I know I've heard some owners talking about liking the mare side on him!
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Location: Michigan | runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-05 4:33 PM
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runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 4:54 PM
No.....docs reckless is not out of the same mare.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/docs+reckless
The mare produced iza dashing feature which is by a little known FDD stud that has some nice old school running blood with kipty's charger and rebs policy on there!
Our stallion is a grand get of Kiptsy Charger. His only foal to futurity was with Marne. They did really well this year at the BFA. Qualified to the short go & tied for the fastest time in the short go to win 4th in the average. We were thrilled to say the least. Our stallion is a proven producer & a proven performer. It takes a lot of money to promote like the "puddle" horses. We don't have that kind of cash.
I saw your colt and liked it!
Congrats on getting one into good hands! Love that old racing blood. Indy Charger should definitely be mentioned as an out cross as well. I know I've heard some owners talking about liking the mare side on him!
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | RoaniePonie11 - 2018-02-02 10:07 AM classicpotatochip - 2018-02-02 10:00 AM RoaniePonie11 - 2018-02-02 9:31 AM classicpotatochip - 2018-02-02 8:21 AM Breeding for resale value is nothing to be taken aback about. Also, Dashing Chester is the same gene pool as everyone else. Same Dash For Cash and Moon names in there. Find me a proven stallion that I don't recognize any of the names on his papers, and we'll talk turkey. And not arena proven, what have his progeny done? So are you saying we shouldn’t try to go outside the norm? I think that’s just going to make our “puddle” smaller. In 20 Years there won’t be ANY variation left. I’m not saying go for something no one recognizes, but we have like 5 top sires that are eating up the industry. And on the progeny talk, too many sires are being bred to produce colts that will prove them that are themselves 3D horses. That’s dumb IMO. Why is it a bad thing to expect a stallion to be able to perform AND produce. And again, IMO just like in the racing world- I feel like they should perform and to see if they are good enough TO produce. Everyone with a yellow stud colt with FG, Sunfrost or DTF on their papers thinks is stallion worthy. Now, I know I’m not talking about EVERYBODY but you know what I mean. I also have to disagree that Dashing Chester is bred like everyone else. Look at the BHW stallions and pick out the ones that DONT have FG, Sun frost or first down dash on their papers. See how many you have left. While Chester may not be far off the norm, it’s a start. Sure. But you know where First Down Dash came from, right? Dash For Cash, and ummmm Top Moon. I would love it if somebody would put something together that nobody had heard of, that can blow the doors off of the current pool, and send real performers to the track and the arena. That's my whole point. BUT I'm not going to throw my good mare away on something that I can pay another grand and get something that somebody actually wants to buy. Yes I do realize where First Down Dash came from. In my mind I guess going back to Dash for Cash & Top Moon are more “purely” bred that way. And I see where you are coming from about resale. It’s going to take someone (more than 1 someone’s ) with money to burn to really step out there and create a new line of competitive horses. I don’t think this discredits your good mare that’s bred this way, or any others for that matter. I’m just concerned with the future of barrel horses’ pedigrees. Looks like we just keep narrowing the gene pool every year. I don’t feel like breeding to something outside the norm would be throwing your mare away. It would depend on what you wanted the foal for I guess. Resale, sure, the current lines are the way to go. But it you wanted to breed for a foal to keep and perform on, that’s when I think it would be a good idea to look elsewhere. 
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runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 4:54 PM
No.....docs reckless is not out of the same mare.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/docs+reckless
The mare produced iza dashing feature which is by a little known FDD stud that has some nice old school running blood with kipty's charger and rebs policy on there!
Our stallion is a grand get of Kiptsy Charger. His only foal to futurity was with Marne. They did really well this year at the BFA. Qualified to the short go & tied for the fastest time in the short go to win 4th in the average. We were thrilled to say the least. Our stallion is a proven producer & a proven performer. It takes a lot of money to promote like the "puddle" horses. We don't have that kind of cash.
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Location: Feeding mosquitos, FL | SKM - 2018-02-03 8:02 AM awest has a grandson...that’s right, GRANDSON of Three Bars out of, I think it’s a Shawnee Bug daughter??? Anyhow? He’s older and never bred much due to his owners. But Amber found him and is now marketing him a little. To be honest, you have more diversity in the barrel industry than any other discipline. Cow breds, race breds, reining rejects, cutting drop outs. You don’t see a Peppy San Badger running in the All American or a Dash Ta Fame at the NCHA. But look at the diversity of pedigrees at the NFR. Typically a bloodline becomes obsolete for a reason. If you look back at Speedhorse from the 1980’s, everything was DFC, EJ, SE. yet how many SE sons are now hot? While some bloodlines stay the same, outcrosses do show up no matter what the decade.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Since the stud books have been closed on AQHA horses since 1940 with the only exception being a registered Jockey Club TB, there will be nothing new. TB books are also closed. So they won't be getting anything new either. Just new combinations and maybe some other bloodlines brought back to the top again. Tres Seis is one such horse. His pedigree is nothing new. He's just got the right combination to excel and he has. I remember when the horses on his pedigree were the current hot bloodlines. So he's an outcross to the 16179843132168798453123 First Down Dash and Beduino horses. |
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| A lil different take on some bloodlines other than DTF of FG.
Louisiana Senator may prove to be a nice lil out cross. with Ryon Rocks
Editing bc my droid posted it all funny. BUT as OLDGREYMARE corrected Mr Famous Jess is by Jess Louisana Blue.
My point is the blood line of the Louisnana Girl is new to our gene puddle
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Location: Desert Land | runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-07 3:02 PM A lil different take on some bloodlines other than DTF of FG. Louisiana Senator may prove to be a nice lil out cross. Louisiana Senator has sired Mr Famous Jess ( DTF mare) that Sydni Blanchard and Leslie W has had great success with Ryon Rocks ( Phoebe Ryon, an amazing mare line there tho).
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| TheOldGrayMare - 2018-02-08 1:40 PM
runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-07 3:02 PM A lil different take on some bloodlines other than DTF of FG. Louisiana Senator may prove to be a nice lil out cross. Louisiana Senator has sired Mr Famous Jess ( DTF mare) that Sydni Blanchard and Leslie W has had great success with Ryon Rocks ( Phoebe Ryon, an amazing mare line there tho).
Mr Famous Jess is by Jess Louisiana Blue who is the sire of Lousiana Senator.
Thank you for your correction and you are right. I had it plugged in for him and it jumbled things all up.
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Location: Desert Land | Runninformoney - 2018-02-03 5:17 AM I think that given the amount of mares these popular stallions are bred too they are bound to have winners. I’ve seen many a 4-5 D out of these same popular stallions. I agree that some new blood is needed or the breed is going to be in trouble. Someone needs to step out of the box and try something nee
If you don't think there are people trying all these different out crosses with barrel lines and pleasure, reining, etc. then you're niave. The ones that work, you hear about them. Look at Blazin Jetolena. That was an outcross that worked. Jet won a ton himself and his babies have more than proven themselves. I see lots of people breeding a bunch of nothing mares or studs with irrelevent barrel racing bloodlines trying to make barrel horses out of them. Sometimes it works, a lot of times it doesn't. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | The thing about barrel horses. They can and do come from every other discipline. That doesn't mean you're going to get big money for one that isn't by the "top five" big names. But you can still breed, buy and try them. The only discipline that isn't boxed in is the barrel racing discipline. |
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The thing about barrel horses. They can and do come from every other discipline. That doesn't mean you're going to get big money for one that isn't by the "top five" big names. But you can still breed, buy and try them. The only discipline that isn't boxed in is the barrel racing discipline.
I agree with this. Most disciplines have become so specialized, for example: cutting- you want a shorter horse that can get low; racing- you want a long legged, fast horse. The horses that are competing and winning in these disciplines fit the molds laid before them. In barrel racing though, you can have a tall horse, a short horse, pretty much any horse that wants to work, has heart and grit, etc. can make a phenomenal barrel horse. There are certain specifications some people choose to adhere to, but really, anything goes. |
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| To many people are worried about being cool with the "latest and greatest" breeds instead of just winning. Hey, why bother winning a race when you can talk about how cool your horse is bred?
Take a 1d mare and breed her to a 1d/rodeo winning stud that fits your style. Then raise, train and run that baby correctly and you will have a great chance at a winning horse.
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To many people are worried about being cool with the "latest and greatest" breeds instead of just winning. Hey, why bother winning a race when you can talk about how cool your horse is bred?
Take a 1d mare and breed her to a 1d/rodeo winning stud that fits your style. Then raise, train and run that baby correctly and you will have a great chance at a winning horse.
Sometimes you also get really nice chances at 1D horses when you breed two horses together that have already produced other 1D horses, EVEN if they were never 1D themselves. Just saying there is more than one way to skin a cat and more than one way to breed that winning horse. And a lot of these producers DO tend to have pretty cool bloodlines. |
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joemama - 2018-02-08 5:24 PM
To many people are worried about being cool with the "latest and greatest" breeds instead of just winning. Hey, why bother winning a race when you can talk about how cool your horse is bred?
Take a 1d mare and breed her to a 1d/rodeo winning stud that fits your style. Then raise, train and run that baby correctly and you will have a great chance at a winning horse.
Sometimes you also get really nice chances at 1D horses when you breed two horses together that have already produced other 1D horses, EVEN if they were never 1D themselves. Just saying there is more than one way to skin a cat and more than one way to breed that winning horse. And a lot of these producers DO tend to have pretty cool bloodlines.
You wont hear me argue with that, I would personally rather breed to a proven winner.
The one thing all the winners have in common is LOTS OF HARD WORK and it seems most dont want to do that when they can just make excuses and sell their baby for big money.
I guess its a good safety net for when a person quits or fails...
Edited by joemama 2018-02-08 6:27 PM
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Nice, Proven Stallions that are out of our gene puddle