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Location: OH. IO | Parkland florida.says over 20 injured but it's early in the details
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Location: Kansas | Caught the shooter. They're thinking many fatalities. Horrible.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Suspect Caught.
14 taken to the hospital. Still working on clearing all the rooms and students.
Still not confirmed how many have died.
WFAA Channel 8 in DFW has a live aerial shot being streamed on Facebook.
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http://www.wfaa.com/news/nation-world/shooting-reported-at-florida-high-school/518838696 |
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Location: LaBelle, Florida | I thought I heard them say 7 fatalilites at this moment
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Location: OH. IO | kasaj2000 - 2018-02-14 6:12 PM
20 injured, 16 fatalities :(
via CNN
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| kasaj2000 - 2018-02-14 5:12 PM
20 injured, 16 fatalities :(
via CNN
So the shooter was 19 years old.. he pulled the fire alarm in the hallway and begin shooting students as they were filing out of the rooms.. horrific murder! He had been expelled from that school for misconduct apparently. |
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Location: Dearing, GA | This school is one of the many I work with here in Broward County. I was scheduled to be there on Tuesday of next week. I am simply heartbroken for these families... Driving home past the scene tonight was gut wrenching. Please pray for the community of Parkland and Coral Springs, FL.
There are a total of 17 deceased at this time. Someone (maybe the shooter) pulled the fire alarm so students were rushing into the hallways as the shooter began to fire inside the school.
ETA: It is confirmed, the shooter pulled the fire alarm to bring students into the hall.
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Location: OH. IO | So many prayers for the parents of the victims.I cannot imagine....... |
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Location: Where the stars at night are big and bright, TX | want2chase3 - 2018-02-14 8:23 PM kasaj2000 - 2018-02-14 5:12 PM 20 injured, 16 fatalities :(
via CNN So the shooter was 19 years old.. he pulled the fire alarm in the hallway and begin shooting students as they were filing out of the rooms.. horrific murder! He had been expelled from that school for misconduct apparently.
Have they said how he was even allowed in the school? He'd been expelled for past behavior issues. |
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| Tilt The Kilt - 2018-02-15 7:15 AM
want2chase3 - 2018-02-14 8:23 PM kasaj2000 - 2018-02-14 5:12 PM 20 injured, 16 fatalities :(
via CNN So the shooter was 19 years old.. he pulled the fire alarm in the hallway and begin shooting students as they were filing out of the rooms.. horrific murder! He had been expelled from that school for misconduct apparently.
I'm guessing he just showed up. He knew if he pulled the fire alarm they'd all come out. I'm not sure how long he'd been suspended for but I do know he wasn't allowed on campus with a backpack. Somehow he slipped through. I also heard, which may or may not be valid that he was a member of Antifa. Be interesting to see what details come about over the next several days. |
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Location: North Dakota | I read that this is a school with 3000 students... hard to manage who goes in and out in that type of size. I went to a highschool with 1500 kids and I know we all walked in and out of school as we pleased. There weren't people at the doors checking you in or out. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Predictably, we see the usual gun control outcry from the political opportunists.
I grew up in the 60s and 70s. When I was 15-16 I could walk into the local hardware store and buy any gun I wanted. In fact, on a couple occasions, I did just that, but we just didn’t see this kind of mass shootings the way we do now. Some say it’s because we have “too many guns”. Others claim we have too many “assault” weapons.
I think both claims are hogwash.
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Location: Southeastern Idaho | As a high school teacher these things hit close to home for me as I am sure it does for many of you. My liberal friends and relatives are filling up facebook today with anti NRA propaganda and it upsets me.
We have a cultural issue. Parents, communities and social media need to step up and become that village to raise kids today. This boy had many challenges and red flags emotionally. There are no easy answers like taking everyone's guns away. If you want a gun you can get it. I feel we need to change our culture of violence, easily offended citizens, quitting if things get hard, and blaming others for our short comings. We need to work together to give schools and law enforcement officials more tools and freedom to identify issues. Again, not an easy answer. Love to all those affected by this tragedy. |
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| Bear - 2018-02-15 9:00 AM Predictably, we see the usual gun control outcry from the political opportunists. I grew up in the 60s and 70s. When I was 15-16 I could walk into the local hardware store and buy any gun I wanted. In fact, on a couple occasions, I did just that, but we just didn’t see this kind of mass shootings the way we do now. Some say it’s because we have “too many guns”. Others claim we have too many “assault” weapons. I think both claims are hogwash. Still, obviously something has changed. What is it?
I think it's many things. Lack of enough parental interaction with kids (I read but have not confirmed, this kid's parents are deceased?), the internet, social media, violence in music and movies, etc. Those things have ALWAYS been around. Remember Wile E. Coyote and the roadrunner? Violent cartoons when you really think about it but you know what? I KNEW as a kid if I was blasted with a rocket I was not coming back. So WHAT has changed? A lack of discipline, no accountability, kids no longer have to really work for what they want anymore. No consequences for their actions. Tell them no and take away their phones? Spank a child? Heaven forbid because you might break their "spirit." We live in a PC society where it's wrong to offend anyone. Some of those kids had to know how distiurbed and off this kid was but no one says anything. Why? You get condemned for speaking up and labelled for "intolerant." You might hurt someone's feelings if think they are acting "weird." Kids used experience life, now they simply watch it on TV or on their phones from a couch rather than go outside and play and truly experience life. I do not claim to have the right answer here but the only way to effect real change is to find out the whys from the perpetrators themselves. Why is no one asking these people WHAT could have been done to change their attitudes and actions. My heart breaks for these families. This kid legally purchased the rifle - does that age need to be changed to 21 for long rifles (it's already in place for hand guns). Perhaps. If you are an adult at 18 and old enough to fight for this country you should be able to do all adult things at 18. Kids at 18 nowadays (and I am not saying all) are not near as mature as they were 20 years ago at 18. Do we raise the "adult" age to 21 for everything? That should include cigarettes, alcohol (as it already is in most states), purchasing a firearm and dare I say it - voting? I just don't know. Such a tragedy. |
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| Bear - 2018-02-15 10:00 AM
Predictably, we see the usual gun control outcry from the political opportunists.
I grew up in the 60s and 70s. When I was 15-16 I could walk into the local hardware store and buy any gun I wanted. In fact, on a couple occasions, I did just that, but we just didn’t see this kind of mass shootings the way we do now. Some say it’s because we have “too many guns”. Others claim we have too many “assault” weapons.
I think both claims are hogwash.
Still, obviously something has changed. What is it?
I believe it is a problem that may stem from America's parents. I have seen it over and over again, that if a child isn't shown the right kind of attention by his parents, he/she will often try to get any kind of attention, even if it is the wrong kind, somewhere else. And if his/her parents aren't teaching them how to correctly handle a situation or how to deal with life, these kind of things will happen. The problem isn't the availability of guns, nor is the problem the right to own them. I have a suspicion these kids who do this kind of thing often want the attention it brings. In a skewed view, they believe this will bring them the attention that they have been craving. Another problem is that anymore, America has lost the sanctity of human life, and these generations aren't being taught that anymore. Correct me if I'm wrong, but along with the lack of God, this, combined with the lack of correct attention, brings about tragedies like this.
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There are many issues here. None of which are the guns.
Mental health is a huge issue.
My main question here is HOW did he get into the building?? Our doors are all locked and they have to be buzzed in.
Why are good, trained adults not allowed to have weapons in a school? Our Resource officer does, but he's one man and not here all the time. But I feel like more protection is needed. Anti-gun zones haven't stopped a shooter yet.
After reading news articles...Why doesn't the FBI take more time to put marks on peoples records when they have been investigated for threats?
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Location: South Georgia | I am a high school administrator and teacher as well, and today I had a small group of students ask me what we should do if in the same situation. That was a hard question! We can plan what we'd do, but the circumstances could be different than our plan, so it becomes such a gray answer, rather than black and white. These are things kids should not have to think about. It is so sad. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Bear - 2018-02-15 11:00 AM Predictably, we see the usual gun control outcry from the political opportunists. I grew up in the 60s and 70s. When I was 15-16 I could walk into the local hardware store and buy any gun I wanted. In fact, on a couple occasions, I did just that, but we just didn’t see this kind of mass shootings the way we do now. Some say it’s because we have “too many guns”. Others claim we have too many “assault” weapons. I think both claims are hogwash. Still, obviously something has changed. What is it? I think in this instance This student was failed by the broken snowflake of a system we have now. The students that say they saw it coming should have been listened too.
We should never have children that are afraid to go to a teacher or person in authority and say this guy gives them the creeps. But kids are afraid they'll be labled if they speak up: A bully, a racist, a bigot... The list goes on.
The school and the system should not have swept this kid under their mat like he doesn't exist.
His father died of a heart attack and his mother died as well the same year. He should have gotten help then. Instead he was pushed off to the side. Mental Health is a serious issue and should be treated as such.
I'm not saying the school is at fault but when you have kids that literally cannot say anything about a problem student without being labled, that speaks volumes to me. Someone should have listened. All the signs were there. No one who knew the shooter was surprised....
ETA our rural highschool paid for all teachers to get their CHLs. Doors remain locked and each staff member carries... There are signs everywhere on campus that state all staff members are armed and will shoot to kill...
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Location: South Georgia | jbaby - 2018-02-15 12:52 PM I also would say there is a big problem with the public school system. It's a sad and unfortunate thing, but not one we can't fix. I've heard people say the downfall of public schools was when we took God out of them. I think it's part of the issue, but I think it's more of a people and mindset problem. Mental illness is a big factor too, and we NEED to help the ones with it, instead of just trying to cover it up and act like it's not a big deal. Just curious how you feel the public school system is to blame for shootings? In this particular instance, I definitely see a campus security issue. However, in general, how is the school to blame?
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jbaby - 2018-02-15 12:52 PM I also would say there is a big problem with the public school system. It's a sad and unfortunate thing, but not one we can't fix. I've heard people say the downfall of public schools was when we took God out of them. I think it's part of the issue, but I think it's more of a people and mindset problem. Mental illness is a big factor too, and we NEED to help the ones with it, instead of just trying to cover it up and act like it's not a big deal. Just curious how you feel the public school system is to blame for shootings? In this particular instance, I definitely see a campus security issue. However, in general, how is the school to blame?
I'm sorry if I made it sound like the school was to blame. That wasn't my intention and I should have made my meaning clearer. I don't know how this school is run, so I'm sorry if I made it sound like that school was to blame. I've seen some pretty sad stuff in public schools with school/student interactions and I think that sometimes it could be a teacher/board/staff problem too. I've seen and known kids who have come home saying that the teachers weren't nice or they gave them the cold shoulder because they were "different". Or if they have slight mental issues, they will just ignore them. I'm not trying in any way to make it sound like this is in every school, but I've seen schools who are like this and am just suggesting it could be a possibility why some of these shootings have happened. |
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| luvropin - 2018-02-15 11:27 AM
As a high school teacher these things hit close to home for me as I am sure it does for many of you. My liberal friends and relatives are filling up facebook today with anti NRA propaganda and it upsets me.
We have a cultural issue. Parents, communities and social media need to step up and become that village to raise kids today. This boy had many challenges and red flags emotionally. There are no easy answers like taking everyone's guns away. If you want a gun you can get it. I feel we need to change our culture of violence, easily offended citizens, quitting if things get hard, and blaming others for our short comings. We need to work together to give schools and law enforcement officials more tools and freedom to identify issues. Again, not an easy answer. Love to all those affected by this tragedy.
As a another high school teacher I couldn't agree with you more!!!! this is one of the side effects of the new entitlement society! So very sad indeed |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Here’s my take on the rhetorical question, “what’s changed?”
Gun availability and access is more difficult now, not less.
Society has somehow managed to convince a lot of people that guns are inherently evil. Back in the 90s there was an effort to convince the public that “gas guzzling, polluting SUVs” were inherently evil.
The paradigm is the same.....attribute evil human attributes to inanimate objects.
Child rearing has changed. Teachers can’t spank. Indeed, parents can’t spank. Kids are thought to be more fragile. Spanking is abuse....cruel. 40-50 years ago, kids were taught the meaning of “consequences”, because if a kid misbehaved, a prompt ass tanning was always a consequence. That was a powerful behavior modifier.
Other consequences included, a mouth washing with soap, grounding, actual “flunking” in school. Misbehaving in class might be dealt with by spanking, standing in a corner, standing out in the hall, or a trip to the principal’s office. All of these things, including flunking, carried a certain stigma, and that too was a consequence. There was little concern for the poor child’s fragile “self esteem”. In the case of bullying, moms and dads provided guidance on dealing with bullies.
Peers also had certain ways of dealing with bullies. Most of us old farts know very well how a well aimed pop in the nose can be immediately therapeutic and even merciful behavior modification.
Basically, kids learned how to cope with bullying and how to deal with bullies.
Typically, although not always, there was a parent, usually a mom, in the home when the kids get home after school. Families saw value in sitting around the dinner table.
Nowadays.....most of that is dumped, either on ritalin, someone outside of the family, or some electronic device. We worship God less today in America, and place more value on a pill or a device.
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Location: Southeastern Idaho | Bear - 2018-02-15 12:02 PM
Here’s my take on the rhetorical question, “what’s changed?”
Gun availability and access is more difficult now, not less.
Society has somehow managed to convince a lot of people that guns are inherently evil. Back in the 90s there was an effort to convince the public that “gas guzzling, polluting SUVs” were inherently evil.
The paradigm is the same.....attribute evil human attributes to inanimate objects.
Child rearing has changed. Teachers can’t spank. Indeed, parents can’t spank. Kids are thought to be more fragile. Spanking is abuse....cruel. 40-50 years ago, kids were taught the meaning of “consequences”, because if a kid misbehaved, a prompt ass tanning was always a consequence. That was a powerful behavior modifier.
Other consequences included, a mouth washing with soap, grounding, actual “flunking” in school. Misbehaving in class might be dealt with by spanking, standing in a corner, standing out in the hall, or a trip to the principal’s office. All of these things, including flunking, carried a certain stigma, and that too was a consequence. There was little concern for the poor child’s fragile “self esteem”. In the case of bullying, moms and dads provided guidance on dealing with bullies.
Peers also had certain ways of dealing with bullies. Most of us old farts know very well how a well aimed pop in the nose can be immediately therapeutic and even merciful behavior modification.
Basically, kids learned how to cope with bullying and how to deal with bullies.
Typically, although not always, there was a parent, usually a mom, in the home when the kids get home after school. Families saw value in sitting around the dinner table.
Nowadays.....most of that is dumped, either on ritalin, someone outside of the family, or some electronic device. We worship God less today in America, and place more value on a pill or a device.
Agreed agreed agreed! Can I say I agree?!!! I had my butt tanned more than I care to remember and have a HEALTHY respect and deep love for my parents. I feel like they did a good job. :) There are so many sad cases in schools where parents are absent completely from the students life. Sadder still are the parents that just don't care or are too busy with their own drama to parent. Breaks your heart daily. Hard to teach a child when they go home to hell or have no home to go to. One of my students (high school) actually cried when he was going to graduate. Didn't know what he was going to do now that he had no place to go every day. Things were changing too fast for him. He was a special needs student and we worked to get him into a good situation. But it just speaks to the fact of how broken our family systems are.
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Location: Kansas | Listening to the kids, I wondered if Nikolas had been treated a little differently he might have changed his attitude. It was pretty plain he was the "leper". Did anyone think to try to befriend him, buy him a hamburger, invite him over to watch the Super Bowl.
.......and how were the people he was staying with not aware of and alarmed by the gunpower he had.
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | Frodo - 2018-02-15 2:08 PM
Listening to the kids, I wondered if Nikolas had been treated a little differently he might have changed his attitude. It was pretty plain he was the "leper". Did anyone think to try to befriend him, buy him a hamburger, invite him over to watch the Super Bowl.
.......and how were the people he was staying with not aware of and alarmed by the gunpower he had.
Some of the accounts tell how he was abusive to his (ex) girlfriend...And that some cut him out of their lives due to his abusive nature. Who can blame them? Some people become isolated due to their own actions. The trouble these days is that they are raised to believe it's always "someone elses fault". No personal responsibility. No real consequences.
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Do they want to be famous for their clip? Do they want to re-live the terror? Do they feel a lack of disconnect from the violence because of video games and movies?
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Location: North Dakota | I think social media and the news networks are also to blame for most of the shootings. The kids want that spotlight of fame they get when they go on a killing spree. All the toxic medication given to children so they are easier to handle is also a factor, it damages and poisons the brain permanently!! He was just a disturbed kid that never had proper direction and social media made it seem like he would be the big bad guy who put fear into someone! He was a disturbed kid that wanted to hurt others! Lack of proper parenting is also a big factor here! |
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| angelica - 2018-02-15 3:07 PM I think social media and the news networks are also to blame for most of the shootings. The kids want that spotlight of fame they get when they go on a killing spree. All the toxic medication given to children so they are easier to handle is also a factor, it damages and poisons the brain permanently!! He was just a disturbed kid that never had proper direction and social media made it seem like he would be the big bad guy who put fear into someone! He was a disturbed kid that wanted to hurt others! Lack of proper parenting is also a big factor here!
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| rodeomom3 - 2018-02-15 4:03 PM
angelica - 2018-02-15 3:07 PM I think social media and the news networks are also to blame for most of the shootings. The kids want that spotlight of fame they get when they go on a killing spree. All the toxic medication given to children so they are easier to handle is also a factor, it damages and poisons the brain permanently!! He was just a disturbed kid that never had proper direction and social media made it seem like he would be the big bad guy who put fear into someone! He was a disturbed kid that wanted to hurt others! Lack of proper parenting is also a big factor here!
Social media is realty to kids today. His parents are deceased and he was living with a friends family
The system failed him. The amount of IEP meetings Ive sat in on this year where the kid has had random outbursts, had behavior that endangers others, shown physical violence, lack of self control, etc is 23.
Of these 23 IEP meetings only 10 have shown no further problems and been well behaved in my class. The rest have all been further problems. We keep recycling the kids back into the school system, sure they might go to counseling once a week or so but it does little to help once in the high school setting. State wide I think school physiologists need to have more communication and the increasingly large number of kids with diagnosed mental problems need another avenue other than alternative school or expellsion. A large school is the worst it is very hard to get to know your kids and be able to help them individually.
Kids these days need mentors and strong figures in their lives at school. We need to take away from common core and have a mentoring class. It has been suggested we do that for a PBIS thing at our school...those students that never get PBIS rewards get mentored so they can learn to gain them, build citizenship, and social skills. Many students have never been taught about a firm handshake, yes ma'am/no sir, and common things we assume most people would pick up through social ques. The difficult kids, the angry ones mad about being poor, mad they can't read as well as others and frustrated they can't do the work...to those kids they are a hammer and everything looks like a nail. Sometime when I read their files I cry and can't imagine trying to learn alegrba when I'm worried about where I'll sleep, what i'll eat, if I'll have clean clothes so no one makes fun of me for wearing the same thing again, or if the water and electric bill was paid so I can get ready for school.
People think these things are taken care of automatically by DCS but kids are good at covering for parents. Parents also don't want to report signs of their kids having problems and most of the time won't be truthful to school counselors. Sometimes the legal guardian is busy enough working to keep the bills paid and they don't see any problems the child might have and sometimes they don't care if the child does have problems. That weird kid making weird social media posts is usually screaming for help We've started an anonymous social media problem drop box for students at our school that has tipped our administration off to many problems before they become big issues.
It is getting to be very common that high school students live with a friend or a girlfriend/boyfriend's family. Some even live alone because mom or dad has mostly been living with their new partner and the teenager is left unsupervised. Sadly you'll see lots of instances where once the kid turns 18 the foster family kicks them straight out once the check stops.
We focus so much on trying to get them to pass tests but we have completely moved away from teaching them to be citizens and care for one another. Our culture has become to pass a test, to teach the standards, to send them on and if they don't care let the technical school or alternative ed worry about them. We've quit actually focusing on teaching kids.
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| luvropin - 2018-02-15 1:34 PM Bear - 2018-02-15 12:02 PM Here’s my take on the rhetorical question, “what’s changed?” Gun availability and access is more difficult now, not less. Society has somehow managed to convince a lot of people that guns are inherently evil. Back in the 90s there was an effort to convince the public that “gas guzzling, polluting SUVs” were inherently evil. The paradigm is the same.....attribute evil human attributes to inanimate objects. Child rearing has changed. Teachers can’t spank. Indeed, parents can’t spank. Kids are thought to be more fragile. Spanking is abuse....cruel. 40-50 years ago, kids were taught the meaning of “consequences”, because if a kid misbehaved, a prompt ass tanning was always a consequence. That was a powerful behavior modifier. Other consequences included, a mouth washing with soap, grounding, actual “flunking” in school. Misbehaving in class might be dealt with by spanking, standing in a corner, standing out in the hall, or a trip to the principal’s office. All of these things, including flunking, carried a certain stigma, and that too was a consequence. There was little concern for the poor child’s fragile “self esteem”. In the case of bullying, moms and dads provided guidance on dealing with bullies. Peers also had certain ways of dealing with bullies. Most of us old farts know very well how a well aimed pop in the nose can be immediately therapeutic and even merciful behavior modification. Basically, kids learned how to cope with bullying and how to deal with bullies. Typically, although not always, there was a parent, usually a mom, in the home when the kids get home after school. Families saw value in sitting around the dinner table. Nowadays.....most of that is dumped, either on ritalin, someone outside of the family, or some electronic device. We worship God less today in America, and place more value on a pill or a device. Agreed agreed agreed! Can I say I agree?!!! I had my butt tanned more than I care to remember and have a HEALTHY respect and deep love for my parents. I feel like they did a good job. : ) There are so many sad cases in schools where parents are absent completely from the students life. Sadder still are the parents that just don't care or are too busy with their own drama to parent. Breaks your heart daily. Hard to teach a child when they go home to hell or have no home to go to. One of my students (high school ) actually cried when he was going to graduate. Didn't know what he was going to do now that he had no place to go every day. Things were changing too fast for him. He was a special needs student and we worked to get him into a good situation. But it just speaks to the fact of how broken our family systems are.
100% agree, society has also developed a “not my monkey, not my circus” attitude. How many times do you see that response on here to a thread about possible abuse or knowing someone is being dishonest in a transaction. It is a different society than the one I grew up in. |
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Florida shooting in school....shooter still on the loose