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| Yesterday, my SO was headed home from Nevada to Utah. He was stopped by the NV Ag. Enforcer who asked to see his horses paperwork. We had our brand inspection and coggins (within 6 months, but NV only requires every 12 now). We did not have our health cert, which completely slipped my mind. No one to blame but ourselves for the lovely $640 ticket we now have!
Since jackpot/rodeo season is coming upon us, I will be super diligent about our HC. Being in Northern Utah we can go to ID, WY, and NV in no time at all. What do people do when traveling to multiple areas within 30 days? I am hearing a HC is only good to one destination and thats it. I assumed we could list more than one destination. |
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Location: South Georgia | Mis_Trev - 2018-02-21 11:18 AM Yesterday, my SO was headed home from Nevada to Utah. He was stopped by the NV Ag. Enforcer who asked to see his horses paperwork. We had our brand inspection and coggins (within 6 months, but NV only requires every 12 now). We did not have our health cert, which completely slipped my mind. No one to blame but ourselves for the lovely $640 ticket we now have!
Since jackpot/rodeo season is coming upon us, I will be super diligent about our HC. Being in Northern Utah we can go to ID, WY, and NV in no time at all. What do people do when traveling to multiple areas within 30 days? I am hearing a HC is only good to one destination and thats it. I assumed we could list more than one destination.
My vet writes "various shows" in the destination box. I have never had a problem at an inspection station. Here in Georgia, you can also send in your HC and a copy of your coggins and they will send you back an Equine Event Permit which is a health certificate good for 6 months instead of just the 30 days from the original one. It's handy! And free! |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | When I was going a lot I had a 6 month passport. No one ever checked it. I live in the Ark-La-Miss area and we don’t worry about it unless the event requires it. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Every now and again we get stopped traveling to and from Oklahoma with ours. We;ve never been asked for one if we were pulled over in Oklahoma. We get asked for one every single time in Texas tho.  |
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| Three 4 Luck - 2018-02-21 9:31 AM When I was going a lot I had a 6 month passport. No one ever checked it. I live in the Ark-La-Miss area and we don’t worry about it unless the event requires it. This is the first time we've ever been checked and we got to NV monthly with our horses. There is no open check station (its only open during big holidays) so the enforcement agent sits in the median on I-15 just like a hwy patrol officer watching for livestock trailers. I am definatly going to see if the 6 month passport is offered on the West Coast!
ETA: West Coast does not have this agreement:
The agreement between Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, New York, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia and West Virginia will allow horse owners to apply for an Equine Event Permit that will be good for up to six months in any of the listed states.
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| Three 4 Luck - 2018-02-21 10:31 AM When I was going a lot I had a 6 month passport. No one ever checked it. I live in the Ark-La-Miss area and we don’t worry about it unless the event requires it.
Dang! That deal would be SUPER nice! But I've never heard of it....so I'm 99.99% sure Iowa isn't a participant.
Wonder who I'd have to write to get it going? |
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| Nateracer - 2018-02-21 10:41 AM Three 4 Luck - 2018-02-21 10:31 AM When I was going a lot I had a 6 month passport. No one ever checked it. I live in the Ark-La-Miss area and we don’t worry about it unless the event requires it. Dang! That deal would be SUPER nice! But I've never heard of it....so I'm 99.99% sure Iowa isn't a participant.
Wonder who I'd have to write to get it going?
I found Montana has a passport as well that reciprocates to Idaho, Oregon, and Washington. Wyoming has a horse counsel that had drafted a letter to their state representatives in regards to that passport. I cannot found a date of when the letter was drafted so not sure if it moved forward or not. I will attach the link to the letter... I am going to talk to my vet about this and see if he would be interested in supporting/backing me up.
WY Letter: http://www.wyominghorsecouncil.com/PDF/Equine%20Health%20Passports%20%20in%20Wyoming.pdf
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| In Nevada you can't list "various shows" as a destination. Our vet is required to have a physical address in order to write the health certificate; you can have multiple destinations on one health certificate but it better be issued within 30 days and include where you are hauling to. The brand inspector has been nailing people all over for not having correct paperwork, so if you cross state lines into Nevada make sure you have your health certificates, coggins and brand inspection.
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| bscanchaser - 2018-02-21 1:44 PM
In Nevada you can't list "various shows" as a destination. Our vet is required to have a physical address in order to write the health certificate; you can have multiple destinations on one health certificate but it better be issued within 30 days and include where you are hauling to. The brand inspector has been nailing people all over for not having correct paperwork, so if you cross state lines into Nevada make sure you have your health certificates, coggins and brand inspection.
I asked my CA brand inspector for a brand inspection for my horses. She cannot do them in CA , horses are not required to have them and a brand inspection is not legal ownership of horses in CA. I was told by her that the rules follow the state of origin. She gave me her card just in case I ever get pulled over. Includes a 24 hour state number to call. |
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| FLITASTIC - 2018-02-21 5:17 PM bscanchaser - 2018-02-21 1:44 PM In Nevada you can't list "various shows" as a destination. Our vet is required to have a physical address in order to write the health certificate; you can have multiple destinations on one health certificate but it better be issued within 30 days and include where you are hauling to. The brand inspector has been nailing people all over for not having correct paperwork, so if you cross state lines into Nevada make sure you have your health certificates, coggins and brand inspection.
I asked my CA brand inspector for a brand inspection for my horses. She cannot do them in CA , horses are not required to have them and a brand inspection is not legal ownership of horses in CA. I was told by her that the rules follow the state of origin. She gave me her card just in case I ever get pulled over. Includes a 24 hour state number to call.
FLITASTIC - You are correct. The requirement does follow state of origin as far as brand inspections, but NV does/will require proof of ownership (whether it be brand inspection, registration papers, or bill of sale). If the state or origin does not have a brand inspection or livestock movement permit then that horse must not remain in the State of NV for more than 15 days (NRS 565.095). For most of us barrel racers, this is not an issue.
I would also assume if my health certificate is from Utah and if Utah allows the vet to put "various shows" as the destination, then NV would accept that as well... since that is acceptable in my state or orgin. I will let you all know what is and is not acceptable by Nevada on April 18th lol. |
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| Where do you get the 6 month passport? I'm in TX but will be going to OK, All Amer Yth in Miss & nbha yth in GA all within 6 months & would like to have that. Also how much was it? Thanks |
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Location: South Georgia | In Georgia, you mail your HC and coggins to the Georgia Dept of Agriculture and submit an application for the 6 month equine permit. They mail it back to you. Free. |
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Location: Texas | We used to be able to write "rodeo circuit" for people going all over but now they get picky and we really cant |
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| I know the enforcement officer up here is a young kid that is very arrogant. He stops trailers constantly and I've seen him hold people on the side of the road for over an hour and half to check paperwork when it was over 100F last summer. If I were you, I would see if your vet would issue a health certificate and then call and request to submit the documentation and have fines waived. DoA and NHP vary in the way they enforce the paperwork, you may get lucky if you tell them you have never been asked for a current health certificate when entering the state. |
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| bscanchaser - 2018-02-22 3:31 PM I know the enforcement officer up here is a young kid that is very arrogant. He stops trailers constantly and I've seen him hold people on the side of the road for over an hour and half to check paperwork when it was over 100F last summer. If I were you, I would see if your vet would issue a health certificate and then call and request to submit the documentation and have fines waived. DoA and NHP vary in the way they enforce the paperwork, you may get lucky if you tell them you have never been asked for a current health certificate when entering the state.
I haven't found anyone that has actually received a ticket for this. I have heard of others who received warnings, but we were told the warning period is over. Which is why we got a ticket. I hope they are willing to work with us. |
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Location: California | I am heading to TX from CA in a few weeks and am wanting to hear from some who travel those lines - I have made the trip several times and have done it both with and without paperwork - never been asked for it. I always hear they are getting stricter but are they really? |
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| little_bug - 2018-04-12 10:12 AM I am heading to TX from CA in a few weeks and am wanting to hear from some who travel those lines - I have made the trip several times and have done it both with and without paperwork - never been asked for it. I always hear they are getting stricter but are they really?
I've always been anal about my paperwork. I don't want to ever take a chance to get a ticket, or even worse, have my horses quarantined because I was too cheap to pay 25-75 (depending on location) for a health cert. Just not worth it, when the outcomes would be more expensive than the paper! |
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| I wonder how they handle it if say, you were going from Ks to Ok for an emergency colic surgery and you got stopped, because a LOT of people here go to OSU for emergencies and you're not going to have health papers for an unplanned trip. |
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| little_bug - 2018-04-12 8:12 AM
I am heading to TX from CA in a few weeks and am wanting to hear from some who travel those lines - I have made the trip several times and have done it both with and without paperwork - never been asked for it. I always hear they are getting stricter but are they really?
CA is being super super strict about it when coming back to CA from out of state. THey used to not care if you had CA plates but I went to AZ in February and they made me pull off to the side and unload all my horses in the waiting area and an officer compared the health cert to every horse I had in my trailer. Even lifted my mares tail to verify she was female as stated on the certificate. But I think CA is hurting for money as usual and would really like to get some revenue from Fines!!! |
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Location: Illinois | I used to get a 30 day cert from my vet, but after having to pay $80 for each one and having to get it monthly in case I decided to go somewhere spontaneously, I just quit going out of state that much. I'm in the middle of IL so I have plenty of places to go within the state if I want. When I do leave I do get a 30 day HC. I haven't been pulled over yet (knock on wood). I've crossed multiple state lines in one trip, gone to huge 300+ horse events and after over 15 years STILL have yet to be asked for a coggins at any event. Barrel bashes, UBRA World, NBHA Great Lakes, the old MVP shows that were $10,000 added opens, etc....never have I been asked for a copy of my coggins. I always have it now that it's on my phone, but still. You'd think someone would have asked for it by now. These papers are laws but yet rarely checked and most of the time we as barrel racers don't even think about the HC most of the time. I went to IN recently and didn't get one |
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| **UPDATE** Our court date wasn't until the 18th, but last week I faxed in a request to dismiss the ticket. They did not dismisss, but they did reduce the ticket from $640 to $200... I guess that is better than nothing! Expensive lesson learned!!
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Location: California | I called my vet to see the costs... $80 for a HC and $80 for coggins... for ONE horse. |
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Health Certs When Traveling Across State Lines