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| I was recently told by one of our vets to use Legend IV for joint therapy versus adequan every week when hauling..that legend is better. I thought a few years ago I was told Legend doesn't last long in the body? Then I hear hunter/jumpers that use BOTH. My good horse isn't horrible, but will need hocks injected before the show season starts..vet said Legend could prolong that injection? Just would love to hear testimony on all 3 of these. Thank you | |
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| Legend and Adequan are 2 very different meds. Pentosan is similar to Adequan.
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| Legend only lasts 36-48 hours at the most. It reaches maximum effect at 8-12 hours. Only goes down hill from there. I give it the night before a morning race or the morning of a night race. I also use adequan. Two full 7 shot series twice a year at 6 month intervals. Lubrisyn daily.
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| FLITASTIC - 2018-03-06 7:44 PM
Legend only lasts 36-48 hours at the most. It reaches maximum effect at 8-12 hours. Only goes down hill from there. I give it the night before a morning race or the morning of a night race. I also use adequan. Two full 7 shot series twice a year at 6 month intervals. Lubrisyn daily.
This is what I've heard in the past that Legend only lasts short time period...then this one vet says one shot of Legend is good for at least 2 months..it gets confusing. Most people I know use Adequan or Pentosan around me. Thanks. | |
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| Just read a recent study that legend is not even detectable after THREE hours from the time it was given! Lol adequan is slow and steady and helps a horse LONG TERM | |
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| FLITASTIC - 2018-03-06 10:41 PM
Just read a recent study that legend is not even detectable after THREE hours from the time it was given! Lol adequan is slow and steady and helps a horse LONG TERM
Thanks! Now to find the best place to order either Adequan or Pentosan at..I hear Pentosan is quite a bit more reasonable. I know my vet doesn't sell it though :( | |
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Location: South Georgia | I have used Pentosan after hock injections to maintain. I paid $270 for a bottle and it lasted me about 4 months with a loading injection and then bi-weekly injections. | |
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| horsegirl - 2018-03-07 6:35 AM
I have used Pentosan after hock injections to maintain. I paid $270 for a bottle and it lasted me about 4 months with a loading injection and then bi-weekly injections.
Where do you order yours from? I just read stories to stay clear from HorsePreRace.com | |
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Location: South Georgia | Wild1 - 2018-03-07 7:44 AM horsegirl - 2018-03-07 6:35 AM I have used Pentosan after hock injections to maintain. I paid $270 for a bottle and it lasted me about 4 months with a loading injection and then bi-weekly injections. Where do you order yours from? I just read stories to stay clear from HorsePreRace.com
My vet. He doesn't upcharge. | |
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| I pay $385 for a bottle on Adequan from my vet. It's the best price I have found so far. I give it once a month. | |
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I pay $385 for a bottle on Adequan from my vet. It's the best price I have found so far. I give it once a month.
The makers of adequan did a study and found that monthly adequan does absolutely nothing. My vet agrees. The way it works, it needs repeated exposure to joint tissue over a months time to be effective. That is why you need the 7 shots 4 days apart. It is far more effective to give 2 full 7 shot series twice a year rather then monthly 1 shot. | |
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emricmacy - 2018-03-07 5:35 AM
I pay $385 for a bottle on Adequan from my vet. It's the best price I have found so far. I give it once a month.
The makers of adequan did a study and found that monthly adequan does absolutely nothing. My vet agrees. The way it works, it needs repeated exposure to joint tissue over a months time to be effective. That is why you need the 7 shots 4 days apart. It is far more effective to give 2 full 7 shot series twice a year rather then monthly 1 shot.
Thanks! I will definitely talk to my vet about that! We did do the 7 shots 4 days apart when we started, then she said to do a shot once a month on the 28th.. | |
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I pay $385 for a bottle on Adequan from my vet. It's the best price I have found so far. I give it once a month.
The makers of adequan did a study and found that monthly adequan does absolutely nothing. My vet agrees. The way it works, it needs repeated exposure to joint tissue over a months time to be effective. That is why you need the 7 shots 4 days apart. It is far more effective to give 2 full 7 shot series twice a year rather then monthly 1 shot.
Thanks! I will definitely talk to my vet about that! We did do the 7 shots 4 days apart when we started, then she said to do a shot once a month on the 28th..
Yep that was the " Original" recommendation. THen it was researched and the medication you give one day takes about 2 weeks to really get where it needs to go ( Yes there is some immediate inflammation reduction) so thats why you give every 4 days to begin with. SO the tissues are constantly exposed over a 28 day period. one single shot every 28 days does nothing. | |
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I pay $385 for a bottle on Adequan from my vet. It's the best price I have found so far. I give it once a month.
The makers of adequan did a study and found that monthly adequan does absolutely nothing. My vet agrees. The way it works, it needs repeated exposure to joint tissue over a months time to be effective. That is why you need the 7 shots 4 days apart. It is far more effective to give 2 full 7 shot series twice a year rather then monthly 1 shot.
Thanks! I will definitely talk to my vet about that! We did do the 7 shots 4 days apart when we started, then she said to do a shot once a month on the 28th..
Yep that was the " Original" recommendation. THen it was researched and the medication you give one day takes about 2 weeks to really get where it needs to go ( Yes there is some immediate inflammation reduction ) so thats why you give every 4 days to begin with. SO the tissues are constantly exposed over a 28 day period. one single shot every 28 days does nothing.
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emricmacy - 2018-03-07 5:35 AM
I pay $385 for a bottle on Adequan from my vet. It's the best price I have found so far. I give it once a month.
The makers of adequan did a study and found that monthly adequan does absolutely nothing. My vet agrees. The way it works, it needs repeated exposure to joint tissue over a months time to be effective. That is why you need the 7 shots 4 days apart. It is far more effective to give 2 full 7 shot series twice a year rather then monthly 1 shot.
Thanks! I will definitely talk to my vet about that! We did do the 7 shots 4 days apart when we started, then she said to do a shot once a month on the 28th..
Yep that was the " Original" recommendation. THen it was researched and the medication you give one day takes about 2 weeks to really get where it needs to go ( Yes there is some immediate inflammation reduction ) so thats why you give every 4 days to begin with. SO the tissues are constantly exposed over a 28 day period. one single shot every 28 days does nothing.
So what about all the time in between those two series twice a year?
Research by Luitpold shows that after a 7 dose series the effects of adequan remain inside the joint capsule for up to a year. For some horses that are not used hard, they may only need a once a year series. Twice a year keeps a constant high level of the drug in the capsule. I son't know all the chemical compounds etc to explain that side of it. My vet said they added something to the adequan like a " Marker" that could tell how long it took to get where it needed to go, and how long it lasted. Thats about the best way I can explain it.. The once a month was not effective at keeping levels high in the joint. You need to do a series.
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emricmacy - 2018-03-07 5:35 AM
I pay $385 for a bottle on Adequan from my vet. It's the best price I have found so far. I give it once a month.
The makers of adequan did a study and found that monthly adequan does absolutely nothing. My vet agrees. The way it works, it needs repeated exposure to joint tissue over a months time to be effective. That is why you need the 7 shots 4 days apart. It is far more effective to give 2 full 7 shot series twice a year rather then monthly 1 shot.
Thanks! I will definitely talk to my vet about that! We did do the 7 shots 4 days apart when we started, then she said to do a shot once a month on the 28th..
Yep that was the " Original" recommendation. THen it was researched and the medication you give one day takes about 2 weeks to really get where it needs to go ( Yes there is some immediate inflammation reduction ) so thats why you give every 4 days to begin with. SO the tissues are constantly exposed over a 28 day period. one single shot every 28 days does nothing.
So what about all the time in between those two series twice a year?
Research by Luitpold shows that after a 7 dose series the effects of adequan remain inside the joint capsule for up to a year. For some horses that are not used hard, they may only need a once a year series. Twice a year keeps a constant high level of the drug in the capsule. I son't know all the chemical compounds etc to explain that side of it. My vet said they added something to the adequan like a " Marker" that could tell how long it took to get where it needed to go, and how long it lasted. Thats about the best way I can explain it.. The once a month was not effective at keeping levels high in the joint. You need to do a series.
Wow! Thank you for all the advice! My vet asked me last visit if I see him declining around the time of the shot every month (the 28th)..I said I didn't think so. She said some of her clients say their horses are more sore when they are due for a shot on the 28th..
It sounds like I should probably switch to the twice a year..but how do I go about doing that since I give once a month? When do I start the loading dose again?
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Location: South Georgia | Wild1 - 2018-03-07 2:07 PM Would Pentosan be in the same dosage range like adequan then? I know I need to ask my vet but I thought I'd quick as on here too
I'm wondering as well! | |
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Would Pentosan be in the same dosage range like adequan then? I know I need to ask my vet but I thought I'd quick as on here too
I want to say pentosan is one shot a week for 4 weeks then monthly. Just make sure with pentosan that you don't give it to a bleeder ever and never within 4 days of a run in case they bleed. It is an anticoagulant. I did use it on a couple horses that were not competitive horses and just needed joint support. | |
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emricmacy - 2018-03-07 5:35 AM
I pay $385 for a bottle on Adequan from my vet. It's the best price I have found so far. I give it once a month.
The makers of adequan did a study and found that monthly adequan does absolutely nothing. My vet agrees. The way it works, it needs repeated exposure to joint tissue over a months time to be effective. That is why you need the 7 shots 4 days apart. It is far more effective to give 2 full 7 shot series twice a year rather then monthly 1 shot.
Thanks! I will definitely talk to my vet about that! We did do the 7 shots 4 days apart when we started, then she said to do a shot once a month on the 28th..
Yep that was the " Original" recommendation. THen it was researched and the medication you give one day takes about 2 weeks to really get where it needs to go ( Yes there is some immediate inflammation reduction ) so thats why you give every 4 days to begin with. SO the tissues are constantly exposed over a 28 day period. one single shot every 28 days does nothing.
So what about all the time in between those two series twice a year?
Research by Luitpold shows that after a 7 dose series the effects of adequan remain inside the joint capsule for up to a year. For some horses that are not used hard, they may only need a once a year series. Twice a year keeps a constant high level of the drug in the capsule. I son't know all the chemical compounds etc to explain that side of it. My vet said they added something to the adequan like a " Marker" that could tell how long it took to get where it needed to go, and how long it lasted. Thats about the best way I can explain it.. The once a month was not effective at keeping levels high in the joint. You need to do a series.
Wow! Thank you for all the advice! My vet asked me last visit if I see him declining around the time of the shot every month (the 28th )..I said I didn't think so. She said some of her clients say their horses are more sore when they are due for a shot on the 28th..
It sounds like I should probably switch to the twice a year..but how do I go about doing that since I give once a month? When do I start the loading dose again?
When I switched from monthly I just used my regular monthly dose as the first of my 7 shot series and gave 6 additional shots 4 days apart. | |
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I pay $385 for a bottle on Adequan from my vet. It's the best price I have found so far. I give it once a month.
The makers of adequan did a study and found that monthly adequan does absolutely nothing. My vet agrees. The way it works, it needs repeated exposure to joint tissue over a months time to be effective. That is why you need the 7 shots 4 days apart. It is far more effective to give 2 full 7 shot series twice a year rather then monthly 1 shot.
Thanks! I will definitely talk to my vet about that! We did do the 7 shots 4 days apart when we started, then she said to do a shot once a month on the 28th..
Yep that was the " Original" recommendation. THen it was researched and the medication you give one day takes about 2 weeks to really get where it needs to go ( Yes there is some immediate inflammation reduction ) so thats why you give every 4 days to begin with. SO the tissues are constantly exposed over a 28 day period. one single shot every 28 days does nothing.
So what about all the time in between those two series twice a year?
Research by Luitpold shows that after a 7 dose series the effects of adequan remain inside the joint capsule for up to a year. For some horses that are not used hard, they may only need a once a year series. Twice a year keeps a constant high level of the drug in the capsule. I son't know all the chemical compounds etc to explain that side of it. My vet said they added something to the adequan like a " Marker" that could tell how long it took to get where it needed to go, and how long it lasted. Thats about the best way I can explain it.. The once a month was not effective at keeping levels high in the joint. You need to do a series.
Wow! Thank you for all the advice! My vet asked me last visit if I see him declining around the time of the shot every month (the 28th )..I said I didn't think so. She said some of her clients say their horses are more sore when they are due for a shot on the 28th..
It sounds like I should probably switch to the twice a year..but how do I go about doing that since I give once a month? When do I start the loading dose again?
When I switched from monthly I just used my regular monthly dose as the first of my 7 shot series and gave 6 additional shots 4 days apart.
Ok, thank you! And then just mark on the calendar 6 months out then start again?
I have to ask, my horse HATES shots, really anything on his neck. He doesn't like his neck being brushed or anything. Previous owner said something happened to the right side of his neck, and he especially doesn't like anything on that side.
Barn owner and I BARELY manage to give him his monthly shot, and I hate that it's this way. He anticipates EVERYTHING. I feel like he thinks he's getting a shot any time we get near his neck. Especially a few days after we give him a shot he's very paranoid. What he does is the second we go to give the shot, he starts moving around and violently throwing his head up and down so we can't get the shot. He might settle down for a minute if we back off, but the second we get near his neck he throws his head up and down. Any advice? I'm really not the best at giving shots, and the barn owner is great at them, but we can still barely give them as he thrashes his head up and down. I don't know what happened in his past that made him be afraid, but I don't know the solution. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | emricmacy - 2018-03-07 1:38 PM FLITASTIC - 2018-03-07 1:29 PM emricmacy - 2018-03-07 11:08 AM FLITASTIC - 2018-03-07 12:35 PM emricmacy - 2018-03-07 10:27 AM FLITASTIC - 2018-03-07 9:26 AM emricmacy - 2018-03-07 6:28 AM FLITASTIC - 2018-03-07 7:41 AM emricmacy - 2018-03-07 5:35 AM I pay $385 for a bottle on Adequan from my vet. It's the best price I have found so far. I give it once a month. The makers of adequan did a study and found that monthly adequan does absolutely nothing. My vet agrees. The way it works, it needs repeated exposure to joint tissue over a months time to be effective. That is why you need the 7 shots 4 days apart. It is far more effective to give 2 full 7 shot series twice a year rather then monthly 1 shot. Thanks! I will definitely talk to my vet about that! We did do the 7 shots 4 days apart when we started, then she said to do a shot once a month on the 28th.. Yep that was the " Original" recommendation. THen it was researched and the medication you give one day takes about 2 weeks to really get where it needs to go ( Yes there is some immediate inflammation reduction ) so thats why you give every 4 days to begin with. SO the tissues are constantly exposed over a 28 day period. one single shot every 28 days does nothing. So what about all the time in between those two series twice a year? Research by Luitpold shows that after a 7 dose series the effects of adequan remain inside the joint capsule for up to a year. For some horses that are not used hard, they may only need a once a year series. Twice a year keeps a constant high level of the drug in the capsule. I son't know all the chemical compounds etc to explain that side of it. My vet said they added something to the adequan like a " Marker" that could tell how long it took to get where it needed to go, and how long it lasted. Thats about the best way I can explain it.. The once a month was not effective at keeping levels high in the joint. You need to do a series. Wow! Thank you for all the advice! My vet asked me last visit if I see him declining around the time of the shot every month (the 28th )..I said I didn't think so. She said some of her clients say their horses are more sore when they are due for a shot on the 28th.. It sounds like I should probably switch to the twice a year..but how do I go about doing that since I give once a month? When do I start the loading dose again? When I switched from monthly I just used my regular monthly dose as the first of my 7 shot series and gave 6 additional shots 4 days apart. Ok, thank you! And then just mark on the calendar 6 months out then start again? I have to ask, my horse HATES shots, really anything on his neck. He doesn't like his neck being brushed or anything. Previous owner said something happened to the right side of his neck, and he especially doesn't like anything on that side. Barn owner and I BARELY manage to give him his monthly shot, and I hate that it's this way. He anticipates EVERYTHING. I feel like he thinks he's getting a shot any time we get near his neck. Especially a few days after we give him a shot he's very paranoid. What he does is the second we go to give the shot, he starts moving around and violently throwing his head up and down so we can't get the shot. He might settle down for a minute if we back off, but the second we get near his neck he throws his head up and down. Any advice? I'm really not the best at giving shots, and the barn owner is great at them, but we can still barely give them as he thrashes his head up and down. I don't know what happened in his past that made him be afraid, but I don't know the solution.
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Wild1 - 2018-03-07 11:07 AM
Would Pentosan be in the same dosage range like adequan then? I know I need to ask my vet but I thought I'd quick as on here too
I want to say pentosan is one shot a week for 4 weeks then monthly. Just make sure with pentosan that you don't give it to a bleeder ever and never within 4 days of a run in case they bleed. It is an anticoagulant. I did use it on a couple horses that were not competitive horses and just needed joint support.
Oh my goodness the things I learn on this forum! I do have a mild bleeder unfortunetly...I never heard of not giving Pentosan if they bleed...I'll make sure and ask my vet this question as well this week. Thank you | |
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Wild1 - 2018-03-07 11:07 AM
Would Pentosan be in the same dosage range like adequan then? I know I need to ask my vet but I thought I'd quick as on here too
I want to say pentosan is one shot a week for 4 weeks then monthly. Just make sure with pentosan that you don't give it to a bleeder ever and never within 4 days of a run in case they bleed. It is an anticoagulant. I did use it on a couple horses that were not competitive horses and just needed joint support.
Oh my goodness the things I learn on this forum! I do have a mild bleeder unfortunetly...I never heard of not giving Pentosan if they bleed...I'll make sure and ask my vet this question as well this week. Thank you
You can give a bleeder pentosan, just not within a few days of an event that would cause them to potentially bleed, like a barrel race. It doesn't affect whether they bleed, or make them more likely. But IF they happen to bleed, they will lose more blood bc it won't clot. | |
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| I had vet appt this am for injections. My vet and I discussed various treatments for my horses issues. I currently do monthly Pentosan in conjunction w/injections. He gave me some printed material that breaks down the different meds oral, IM and IV used to help manage arthritis, osteoarthritis, inflammation, spurs, cysts whatever degradation is in joint. I can scan and email to someone if they want to upload. It's just general information about what it is and what it's used for. | |
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| dashnlotti - 2018-03-07 1:47 PM
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Wild1 - 2018-03-07 11:07 AM
Would Pentosan be in the same dosage range like adequan then? I know I need to ask my vet but I thought I'd quick as on here too
I want to say pentosan is one shot a week for 4 weeks then monthly. Just make sure with pentosan that you don't give it to a bleeder ever and never within 4 days of a run in case they bleed. It is an anticoagulant. I did use it on a couple horses that were not competitive horses and just needed joint support.
Oh my goodness the things I learn on this forum! I do have a mild bleeder unfortunetly...I never heard of not giving Pentosan if they bleed...I'll make sure and ask my vet this question as well this week. Thank you
You can give a bleeder pentosan, just not within a few days of an event that would cause them to potentially bleed, like a barrel race. It doesn't affect whether they bleed, or make them more likely. But IF they happen to bleed, they will lose more blood bc it won't clot.
Gotcha! I was going to give this a try since I hear it's a bit cheaper than Adequan and people get the same results. I'm looking at doing preventative maintanance :) | |
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emricmacy - 2018-03-07 1:38 PM FLITASTIC - 2018-03-07 1:29 PM emricmacy - 2018-03-07 11:08 AM FLITASTIC - 2018-03-07 12:35 PM emricmacy - 2018-03-07 10:27 AM FLITASTIC - 2018-03-07 9:26 AM emricmacy - 2018-03-07 6:28 AM FLITASTIC - 2018-03-07 7:41 AM emricmacy - 2018-03-07 5:35 AM I pay $385 for a bottle on Adequan from my vet. It's the best price I have found so far. I give it once a month. The makers of adequan did a study and found that monthly adequan does absolutely nothing. My vet agrees. The way it works, it needs repeated exposure to joint tissue over a months time to be effective. That is why you need the 7 shots 4 days apart. It is far more effective to give 2 full 7 shot series twice a year rather then monthly 1 shot. Thanks! I will definitely talk to my vet about that! We did do the 7 shots 4 days apart when we started, then she said to do a shot once a month on the 28th.. Yep that was the " Original" recommendation. THen it was researched and the medication you give one day takes about 2 weeks to really get where it needs to go ( Yes there is some immediate inflammation reduction ) so thats why you give every 4 days to begin with. SO the tissues are constantly exposed over a 28 day period. one single shot every 28 days does nothing. So what about all the time in between those two series twice a year? Research by Luitpold shows that after a 7 dose series the effects of adequan remain inside the joint capsule for up to a year. For some horses that are not used hard, they may only need a once a year series. Twice a year keeps a constant high level of the drug in the capsule. I son't know all the chemical compounds etc to explain that side of it. My vet said they added something to the adequan like a " Marker" that could tell how long it took to get where it needed to go, and how long it lasted. Thats about the best way I can explain it.. The once a month was not effective at keeping levels high in the joint. You need to do a series. Wow! Thank you for all the advice! My vet asked me last visit if I see him declining around the time of the shot every month (the 28th )..I said I didn't think so. She said some of her clients say their horses are more sore when they are due for a shot on the 28th.. It sounds like I should probably switch to the twice a year..but how do I go about doing that since I give once a month? When do I start the loading dose again? When I switched from monthly I just used my regular monthly dose as the first of my 7 shot series and gave 6 additional shots 4 days apart. Ok, thank you! And then just mark on the calendar 6 months out then start again? I have to ask, my horse HATES shots, really anything on his neck. He doesn't like his neck being brushed or anything. Previous owner said something happened to the right side of his neck, and he especially doesn't like anything on that side. Barn owner and I BARELY manage to give him his monthly shot, and I hate that it's this way. He anticipates EVERYTHING. I feel like he thinks he's getting a shot any time we get near his neck. Especially a few days after we give him a shot he's very paranoid. What he does is the second we go to give the shot, he starts moving around and violently throwing his head up and down so we can't get the shot. He might settle down for a minute if we back off, but the second we get near his neck he throws his head up and down. Any advice? I'm really not the best at giving shots, and the barn owner is great at them, but we can still barely give them as he thrashes his head up and down. I don't know what happened in his past that made him be afraid, but I don't know the solution.
This is not my first time giving shots. I have a fear of needles so that doesn't help. As I said, the barn owner has been giving shots for 30+ years, and the barn I had him at before was giving him his shots, and it was the same way..a pain! | |
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Would Pentosan be in the same dosage range like adequan then? I know I need to ask my vet but I thought I'd quick as on here too
I want to say pentosan is one shot a week for 4 weeks then monthly. Just make sure with pentosan that you don't give it to a bleeder ever and never within 4 days of a run in case they bleed. It is an anticoagulant. I did use it on a couple horses that were not competitive horses and just needed joint support.
Oh my goodness the things I learn on this forum! I do have a mild bleeder unfortunetly...I never heard of not giving Pentosan if they bleed...I'll make sure and ask my vet this question as well this week. Thank you
You can give a bleeder pentosan, just not within a few days of an event that would cause them to potentially bleed, like a barrel race. It doesn't affect whether they bleed, or make them more likely. But IF they happen to bleed, they will lose more blood bc it won't clot.
THis is correct and how I meant it, hopefully it came across that way... LOL It won't make a horse bleed , but if they do bleed it makes them bleed worse/more. Now my vet does advise that known bleeders do NOT get pentosan PERIOD. Her reasoning is what if they are turned out or getting good exercise, some horses bleed in the lungs even if its not performing. SO if you gave pentosan and turned your horse out in the pasture and they ran laps for an hour, and they bleed, its going to be worse. | |
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Wild1 - 2018-03-07 1:44 PM
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Wild1 - 2018-03-07 11:07 AM
Would Pentosan be in the same dosage range like adequan then? I know I need to ask my vet but I thought I'd quick as on here too
I want to say pentosan is one shot a week for 4 weeks then monthly. Just make sure with pentosan that you don't give it to a bleeder ever and never within 4 days of a run in case they bleed. It is an anticoagulant. I did use it on a couple horses that were not competitive horses and just needed joint support.
Oh my goodness the things I learn on this forum! I do have a mild bleeder unfortunetly...I never heard of not giving Pentosan if they bleed...I'll make sure and ask my vet this question as well this week. Thank you
You can give a bleeder pentosan, just not within a few days of an event that would cause them to potentially bleed, like a barrel race. It doesn't affect whether they bleed, or make them more likely. But IF they happen to bleed, they will lose more blood bc it won't clot.
THis is correct and how I meant it, hopefully it came across that way... LOL It won't make a horse bleed , but if they do bleed it makes them bleed worse/more. Now my vet does advise that known bleeders do NOT get pentosan PERIOD. Her reasoning is what if they are turned out or getting good exercise, some horses bleed in the lungs even if its not performing. SO if you gave pentosan and turned your horse out in the pasture and they ran laps for an hour, and they bleed, its going to be worse.
I knew what you meant, just wanted to clarify for Wild1.
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here’s a suggestion for giving your horse shots. Scrub the injection site with nolvasan or at least alcohol like you’re going to give a shot, tap the area with your hand like you’re going to give a shot. When the horse gets upset rub him, maybe work him on the ground a little, but don’t give the shot, feed him a treat. Do everything just like you’re going to give a shot but just rub him, quiet him down and give him a treat. Repeat this everyday until he gets comfortable about the process, do it on both sides of his neck. You can give him a shot when you’ve got him more confident, then repeat the exercise for a day or two to quiet him back down. | |
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Location: In my own world | FLITASTIC - 2018-03-06 7:44 PM Legend only lasts 36-48 hours at the most. It reaches maximum effect at 8-12 hours. Only goes down hill from there. I give it the night before a morning race or the morning of a night race. I also use adequan. Two full 7 shot series twice a year at 6 month intervals. Lubrisyn daily.
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| Liana D - 2018-03-07 3:56 PM
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here’s a suggestion for giving your horse shots. Scrub the injection site with nolvasan or at least alcohol like you’re going to give a shot, tap the area with your hand like you’re going to give a shot. When the horse gets upset rub him, maybe work him on the ground a little, but don’t give the shot, feed him a treat. Do everything just like you’re going to give a shot but just rub him, quiet him down and give him a treat. Repeat this everyday until he gets comfortable about the process, do it on both sides of his neck. You can give him a shot when you’ve got him more confident, then repeat the exercise for a day or two to quiet him back down.
Thank you! I will try this! It's pretty bad that two+people can barely manage! The violent head throwing is hard to handle. | |
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| livinonlove&horses - 2018-03-07 2:25 PM
FLITASTIC - 2018-03-06 7:44 PM Legend only lasts 36-48 hours at the most. It reaches maximum effect at 8-12 hours. Only goes down hill from there. I give it the night before a morning race or the morning of a night race. I also use adequan. Two full 7 shot series twice a year at 6 month intervals. Lubrisyn daily.
Flit how do you give your Legend before a show?
If I’m running in the morning i give it the night before IV. If running an evening race I give it that morning. | |
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Location: Ohio girl moved to PA | iloveequine40 - 2018-03-07 2:53 PM I had vet appt this am for injections. My vet and I discussed various treatments for my horses issues. I currently do monthly Pentosan in conjunction w/injections. He gave me some printed material that breaks down the different meds oral, IM and IV used to help manage arthritis, osteoarthritis, inflammation, spurs, cysts whatever degradation is in joint. I can scan and email to someone if they want to upload. It's just general information about what it is and what it's used for.
Would you mind sending to me? idk how to upload it on here for others but im very interested in reading it. Thank you :) | |
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| iloveequine40 - 2018-03-07 1:53 PM
I had vet appt this am for injections. My vet and I discussed various treatments for my horses issues. I currently do monthly Pentosan in conjunction w/injections. He gave me some printed material that breaks down the different meds oral, IM and IV used to help manage arthritis, osteoarthritis, inflammation, spurs, cysts whatever degradation is in joint. I can scan and email to someone if they want to upload. It's just general information about what it is and what it's used for.
I Will PM you my email. I would love to read this. Weirdly, the older I get the more I like to learn. Thank you for offering to do this! | |
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Location: IL | iloveequine40 - 2018-03-07 1:53 PM I had vet appt this am for injections. My vet and I discussed various treatments for my horses issues. I currently do monthly Pentosan in conjunction w/injections. He gave me some printed material that breaks down the different meds oral, IM and IV used to help manage arthritis, osteoarthritis, inflammation, spurs, cysts whatever degradation is in joint. I can scan and email to someone if they want to upload. It's just general information about what it is and what it's used for.
I will message you my email. Can you send me that information too? | |
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Location: Louisiana | emricmacy - 2018-03-07 2:04 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-03-07 1:43 PM emricmacy - 2018-03-07 1:38 PM FLITASTIC - 2018-03-07 1:29 PM emricmacy - 2018-03-07 11:08 AM FLITASTIC - 2018-03-07 12:35 PM emricmacy - 2018-03-07 10:27 AM FLITASTIC - 2018-03-07 9:26 AM emricmacy - 2018-03-07 6:28 AM FLITASTIC - 2018-03-07 7:41 AM emricmacy - 2018-03-07 5:35 AM I pay $385 for a bottle on Adequan from my vet. It's the best price I have found so far. I give it once a month. The makers of adequan did a study and found that monthly adequan does absolutely nothing. My vet agrees. The way it works, it needs repeated exposure to joint tissue over a months time to be effective. That is why you need the 7 shots 4 days apart. It is far more effective to give 2 full 7 shot series twice a year rather then monthly 1 shot. Thanks! I will definitely talk to my vet about that! We did do the 7 shots 4 days apart when we started, then she said to do a shot once a month on the 28th.. Yep that was the " Original" recommendation. THen it was researched and the medication you give one day takes about 2 weeks to really get where it needs to go ( Yes there is some immediate inflammation reduction ) so thats why you give every 4 days to begin with. SO the tissues are constantly exposed over a 28 day period. one single shot every 28 days does nothing. So what about all the time in between those two series twice a year? Research by Luitpold shows that after a 7 dose series the effects of adequan remain inside the joint capsule for up to a year. For some horses that are not used hard, they may only need a once a year series. Twice a year keeps a constant high level of the drug in the capsule. I son't know all the chemical compounds etc to explain that side of it. My vet said they added something to the adequan like a " Marker" that could tell how long it took to get where it needed to go, and how long it lasted. Thats about the best way I can explain it.. The once a month was not effective at keeping levels high in the joint. You need to do a series. Wow! Thank you for all the advice! My vet asked me last visit if I see him declining around the time of the shot every month (the 28th )..I said I didn't think so. She said some of her clients say their horses are more sore when they are due for a shot on the 28th.. It sounds like I should probably switch to the twice a year..but how do I go about doing that since I give once a month? When do I start the loading dose again? When I switched from monthly I just used my regular monthly dose as the first of my 7 shot series and gave 6 additional shots 4 days apart. Ok, thank you! And then just mark on the calendar 6 months out then start again? I have to ask, my horse HATES shots, really anything on his neck. He doesn't like his neck being brushed or anything. Previous owner said something happened to the right side of his neck, and he especially doesn't like anything on that side. Barn owner and I BARELY manage to give him his monthly shot, and I hate that it's this way. He anticipates EVERYTHING. I feel like he thinks he's getting a shot any time we get near his neck. Especially a few days after we give him a shot he's very paranoid. What he does is the second we go to give the shot, he starts moving around and violently throwing his head up and down so we can't get the shot. He might settle down for a minute if we back off, but the second we get near his neck he throws his head up and down. Any advice? I'm really not the best at giving shots, and the barn owner is great at them, but we can still barely give them as he thrashes his head up and down. I don't know what happened in his past that made him be afraid, but I don't know the solution. This is not my first time giving shots. I have a fear of needles so that doesn't help. As I said, the barn owner has been giving shots for 30+ years, and the barn I had him at before was giving him his shots, and it was the same way..a pain!
Are you around him every time he gets a shot?
He could be feeding off your fear of needles...
I have a friend that we haul with to rodeos occasionally...one time I was moving my stuff around in the abck seat and pulled out a needle and syringe to draw up my lasix and he dang near jumped out the truck LOL. He can't give shots, can't watch, etc. If his horse needs one, he has to ask someone to do it for him.
If you haven't tried, I would give the barn owner and a helper (someone you trust, of course) permission to give him the shot without you present. | |
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| dashnlotti - 2018-03-08 1:25 PM
emricmacy - 2018-03-07 2:04 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-03-07 1:43 PM emricmacy - 2018-03-07 1:38 PM FLITASTIC - 2018-03-07 1:29 PM emricmacy - 2018-03-07 11:08 AM FLITASTIC - 2018-03-07 12:35 PM emricmacy - 2018-03-07 10:27 AM FLITASTIC - 2018-03-07 9:26 AM emricmacy - 2018-03-07 6:28 AM FLITASTIC - 2018-03-07 7:41 AM emricmacy - 2018-03-07 5:35 AM I pay $385 for a bottle on Adequan from my vet. It's the best price I have found so far. I give it once a month. The makers of adequan did a study and found that monthly adequan does absolutely nothing. My vet agrees. The way it works, it needs repeated exposure to joint tissue over a months time to be effective. That is why you need the 7 shots 4 days apart. It is far more effective to give 2 full 7 shot series twice a year rather then monthly 1 shot. Thanks! I will definitely talk to my vet about that! We did do the 7 shots 4 days apart when we started, then she said to do a shot once a month on the 28th.. Yep that was the " Original" recommendation. THen it was researched and the medication you give one day takes about 2 weeks to really get where it needs to go ( Yes there is some immediate inflammation reduction ) so thats why you give every 4 days to begin with. SO the tissues are constantly exposed over a 28 day period. one single shot every 28 days does nothing. So what about all the time in between those two series twice a year? Research by Luitpold shows that after a 7 dose series the effects of adequan remain inside the joint capsule for up to a year. For some horses that are not used hard, they may only need a once a year series. Twice a year keeps a constant high level of the drug in the capsule. I son't know all the chemical compounds etc to explain that side of it. My vet said they added something to the adequan like a " Marker" that could tell how long it took to get where it needed to go, and how long it lasted. Thats about the best way I can explain it.. The once a month was not effective at keeping levels high in the joint. You need to do a series. Wow! Thank you for all the advice! My vet asked me last visit if I see him declining around the time of the shot every month (the 28th )..I said I didn't think so. She said some of her clients say their horses are more sore when they are due for a shot on the 28th.. It sounds like I should probably switch to the twice a year..but how do I go about doing that since I give once a month? When do I start the loading dose again? When I switched from monthly I just used my regular monthly dose as the first of my 7 shot series and gave 6 additional shots 4 days apart. Ok, thank you! And then just mark on the calendar 6 months out then start again? I have to ask, my horse HATES shots, really anything on his neck. He doesn't like his neck being brushed or anything. Previous owner said something happened to the right side of his neck, and he especially doesn't like anything on that side. Barn owner and I BARELY manage to give him his monthly shot, and I hate that it's this way. He anticipates EVERYTHING. I feel like he thinks he's getting a shot any time we get near his neck. Especially a few days after we give him a shot he's very paranoid. What he does is the second we go to give the shot, he starts moving around and violently throwing his head up and down so we can't get the shot. He might settle down for a minute if we back off, but the second we get near his neck he throws his head up and down. Any advice? I'm really not the best at giving shots, and the barn owner is great at them, but we can still barely give them as he thrashes his head up and down. I don't know what happened in his past that made him be afraid, but I don't know the solution. This is not my first time giving shots. I have a fear of needles so that doesn't help. As I said, the barn owner has been giving shots for 30+ years, and the barn I had him at before was giving him his shots, and it was the same way..a pain!
Are you around him every time he gets a shot? He could be feeding off your fear of needles... I have a friend that we haul with to rodeos occasionally...one time I was moving my stuff around in the abck seat and pulled out a needle and syringe to draw up my lasix and he dang near jumped out the truck LOL. He can't give shots, can't watch, etc. If his horse needs one, he has to ask someone to do it for him. If you haven't tried, I would give the barn owner and a helper (someone you trust, of course ) permission to give him the shot without you present.
Most of the time I am not there. The past few times it's just the barn owner and another lady that is there most of the time, and she has been struggling. This past shot, the barn owner said she stuck the needle in fine, he didn't flinch, but when she went to attach the syringe that's when he starts ramming around and violently throwing his head up and down so you can't do anything! I don't want to keep asking people to give him shots all the time, since we will be doing the loading series again.. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | emricmacy - 2018-03-08 4:23 PM dashnlotti - 2018-03-08 1:25 PM emricmacy - 2018-03-07 2:04 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-03-07 1:43 PM emricmacy - 2018-03-07 1:38 PM FLITASTIC - 2018-03-07 1:29 PM emricmacy - 2018-03-07 11:08 AM FLITASTIC - 2018-03-07 12:35 PM emricmacy - 2018-03-07 10:27 AM FLITASTIC - 2018-03-07 9:26 AM emricmacy - 2018-03-07 6:28 AM FLITASTIC - 2018-03-07 7:41 AM emricmacy - 2018-03-07 5:35 AM I pay $385 for a bottle on Adequan from my vet. It's the best price I have found so far. I give it once a month. The makers of adequan did a study and found that monthly adequan does absolutely nothing. My vet agrees. The way it works, it needs repeated exposure to joint tissue over a months time to be effective. That is why you need the 7 shots 4 days apart. It is far more effective to give 2 full 7 shot series twice a year rather then monthly 1 shot. Thanks! I will definitely talk to my vet about that! We did do the 7 shots 4 days apart when we started, then she said to do a shot once a month on the 28th.. Yep that was the " Original" recommendation. THen it was researched and the medication you give one day takes about 2 weeks to really get where it needs to go ( Yes there is some immediate inflammation reduction ) so thats why you give every 4 days to begin with. SO the tissues are constantly exposed over a 28 day period. one single shot every 28 days does nothing. So what about all the time in between those two series twice a year? Research by Luitpold shows that after a 7 dose series the effects of adequan remain inside the joint capsule for up to a year. For some horses that are not used hard, they may only need a once a year series. Twice a year keeps a constant high level of the drug in the capsule. I son't know all the chemical compounds etc to explain that side of it. My vet said they added something to the adequan like a " Marker" that could tell how long it took to get where it needed to go, and how long it lasted. Thats about the best way I can explain it.. The once a month was not effective at keeping levels high in the joint. You need to do a series. Wow! Thank you for all the advice! My vet asked me last visit if I see him declining around the time of the shot every month (the 28th )..I said I didn't think so. She said some of her clients say their horses are more sore when they are due for a shot on the 28th.. It sounds like I should probably switch to the twice a year..but how do I go about doing that since I give once a month? When do I start the loading dose again? When I switched from monthly I just used my regular monthly dose as the first of my 7 shot series and gave 6 additional shots 4 days apart. Ok, thank you! And then just mark on the calendar 6 months out then start again? I have to ask, my horse HATES shots, really anything on his neck. He doesn't like his neck being brushed or anything. Previous owner said something happened to the right side of his neck, and he especially doesn't like anything on that side. Barn owner and I BARELY manage to give him his monthly shot, and I hate that it's this way. He anticipates EVERYTHING. I feel like he thinks he's getting a shot any time we get near his neck. Especially a few days after we give him a shot he's very paranoid. What he does is the second we go to give the shot, he starts moving around and violently throwing his head up and down so we can't get the shot. He might settle down for a minute if we back off, but the second we get near his neck he throws his head up and down. Any advice? I'm really not the best at giving shots, and the barn owner is great at them, but we can still barely give them as he thrashes his head up and down. I don't know what happened in his past that made him be afraid, but I don't know the solution. This is not my first time giving shots. I have a fear of needles so that doesn't help. As I said, the barn owner has been giving shots for 30+ years, and the barn I had him at before was giving him his shots, and it was the same way..a pain! Are you around him every time he gets a shot? He could be feeding off your fear of needles... I have a friend that we haul with to rodeos occasionally...one time I was moving my stuff around in the abck seat and pulled out a needle and syringe to draw up my lasix and he dang near jumped out the truck LOL. He can't give shots, can't watch, etc. If his horse needs one, he has to ask someone to do it for him. If you haven't tried, I would give the barn owner and a helper (someone you trust, of course ) permission to give him the shot without you present. Most of the time I am not there. The past few times it's just the barn owner and another lady that is there most of the time, and she has been struggling. This past shot, the barn owner said she stuck the needle in fine, he didn't flinch, but when she went to attach the syringe that's when he starts ramming around and violently throwing his head up and down so you can't do anything! I don't want to keep asking people to give him shots all the time, since we will be doing the loading series again..
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| Southtxponygirl - 2018-03-08 4:34 PM
emricmacy - 2018-03-08 4:23 PM dashnlotti - 2018-03-08 1:25 PM emricmacy - 2018-03-07 2:04 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-03-07 1:43 PM emricmacy - 2018-03-07 1:38 PM FLITASTIC - 2018-03-07 1:29 PM emricmacy - 2018-03-07 11:08 AM FLITASTIC - 2018-03-07 12:35 PM emricmacy - 2018-03-07 10:27 AM FLITASTIC - 2018-03-07 9:26 AM emricmacy - 2018-03-07 6:28 AM FLITASTIC - 2018-03-07 7:41 AM emricmacy - 2018-03-07 5:35 AM I pay $385 for a bottle on Adequan from my vet. It's the best price I have found so far. I give it once a month. The makers of adequan did a study and found that monthly adequan does absolutely nothing. My vet agrees. The way it works, it needs repeated exposure to joint tissue over a months time to be effective. That is why you need the 7 shots 4 days apart. It is far more effective to give 2 full 7 shot series twice a year rather then monthly 1 shot. Thanks! I will definitely talk to my vet about that! We did do the 7 shots 4 days apart when we started, then she said to do a shot once a month on the 28th.. Yep that was the " Original" recommendation. THen it was researched and the medication you give one day takes about 2 weeks to really get where it needs to go ( Yes there is some immediate inflammation reduction ) so thats why you give every 4 days to begin with. SO the tissues are constantly exposed over a 28 day period. one single shot every 28 days does nothing. So what about all the time in between those two series twice a year? Research by Luitpold shows that after a 7 dose series the effects of adequan remain inside the joint capsule for up to a year. For some horses that are not used hard, they may only need a once a year series. Twice a year keeps a constant high level of the drug in the capsule. I son't know all the chemical compounds etc to explain that side of it. My vet said they added something to the adequan like a " Marker" that could tell how long it took to get where it needed to go, and how long it lasted. Thats about the best way I can explain it.. The once a month was not effective at keeping levels high in the joint. You need to do a series. Wow! Thank you for all the advice! My vet asked me last visit if I see him declining around the time of the shot every month (the 28th )..I said I didn't think so. She said some of her clients say their horses are more sore when they are due for a shot on the 28th.. It sounds like I should probably switch to the twice a year..but how do I go about doing that since I give once a month? When do I start the loading dose again? When I switched from monthly I just used my regular monthly dose as the first of my 7 shot series and gave 6 additional shots 4 days apart. Ok, thank you! And then just mark on the calendar 6 months out then start again? I have to ask, my horse HATES shots, really anything on his neck. He doesn't like his neck being brushed or anything. Previous owner said something happened to the right side of his neck, and he especially doesn't like anything on that side. Barn owner and I BARELY manage to give him his monthly shot, and I hate that it's this way. He anticipates EVERYTHING. I feel like he thinks he's getting a shot any time we get near his neck. Especially a few days after we give him a shot he's very paranoid. What he does is the second we go to give the shot, he starts moving around and violently throwing his head up and down so we can't get the shot. He might settle down for a minute if we back off, but the second we get near his neck he throws his head up and down. Any advice? I'm really not the best at giving shots, and the barn owner is great at them, but we can still barely give them as he thrashes his head up and down. I don't know what happened in his past that made him be afraid, but I don't know the solution. This is not my first time giving shots. I have a fear of needles so that doesn't help. As I said, the barn owner has been giving shots for 30+ years, and the barn I had him at before was giving him his shots, and it was the same way..a pain! Are you around him every time he gets a shot? He could be feeding off your fear of needles... I have a friend that we haul with to rodeos occasionally...one time I was moving my stuff around in the abck seat and pulled out a needle and syringe to draw up my lasix and he dang near jumped out the truck LOL. He can't give shots, can't watch, etc. If his horse needs one, he has to ask someone to do it for him. If you haven't tried, I would give the barn owner and a helper (someone you trust, of course ) permission to give him the shot without you present. Most of the time I am not there. The past few times it's just the barn owner and another lady that is there most of the time, and she has been struggling. This past shot, the barn owner said she stuck the needle in fine, he didn't flinch, but when she went to attach the syringe that's when he starts ramming around and violently throwing his head up and down so you can't do anything! I don't want to keep asking people to give him shots all the time, since we will be doing the loading series again..
My vet has only gave him a shot of sedative when she injected his pastern in October, and he was fidgety then. I highly doubt his previous owner gave him any shots. When I bought him, she said that he's funny about shots being given on the right side of his neck, but I have found that he's the same on either side of the neck. We are just giving him the Adequan shots in his muscle. Like I said, I really want to get good at giving shots, so I don't have to rely on anyone! I hate asking people to give him shots. | |
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