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| I don't see many own daughters around competing. I've seen geldings, but their price tag is crazy for a gelding to ME. I found a 7yr old daughter that will be up for sale if not sold by word of mouth soon. Shes a top 3D horse or mid 2D at bigger barrel races . But I think a huge part is her jockey I could be wrong! I've been told from others daughters are hard to find that aren't old or only broodmare sound only? I'm in love with this particular mare, but I think for 30K that's a bit high...have been debating on making the seller an offer. I know her history, has had the same owner since born, and was trained very correct in the beginning. Was never futuritied on due to owner getting divorced and financial problems. I'm just asking for everyones advice/thoughts here, no bashing. Thank you |
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| My advice is if you like her (and it really sounds like you do!!!!) make an offer and don’t worry about what she’ll be worth in the future.
If you’re buying to resell (it doesn’t sound like you are), then there’s probably a more complicated answer - that I wouldn’t be able to help you with!!!!
I paid a LOT of money (to me) for one of my horses because she was everything I wanted. I buy to keep. She was worth every last penny to me and I’ve been so happy! |
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| Yes I really do like the mare! I have some serious thinking to do, but then I feel like for that price I could get one that's more proven too.    |
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| For what it’s worth - I could have gotten a much more proven horse as well. I’ve never regretted buying the one I did though. I love her - in the pasture, in the barn, under saddle....she’s everything I wanted. Mine is 5 so, like your FG you’re eyeing, there’s plenty of time to prove still.
My vote is the same. If you really, really like her and see yourself keeping her, make an offer! :) |
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| I would consider long-term goals, if your primary reason to buy is to run her then it is a lot for a 2d/3d horse IMO. If you plan on running and breeding her, that adds value. She essentially would have two functions. I still think 30k is steep but I am cheap when it comes to horses and will likely never own a direct son or daughter of anything fancy for that reason. |
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| I had been looking for a FG daughter as a broodmare. Price tags were $12,000+ for mares that had never done anything other than raised babies. If they had run, even a little bit, their price tag went way up. |
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Location: Illinois | I would pay $30K for an own daughter if she was bred right on the dam side, that would be the deciding factor for me. If you're just wanting to run and not breed her, then probably not. But if you wanted to breed her then maybe. Breeding to him is expensive, so babies are expensive. By the time you pay for the ICSI and his stud fee, you're already around $16K into the ones hitting the ground now. That's I think part of the reason why you don't see as many own sons/daughters coming out now, the expense of it & the ICSI is so risky for a lot of people to want to take on unless they have an established breeding program where they can handle that potential loss. If you like her enough & don't mind spending some money, go for it. Would open the door for you to get a baby out of her for yourself to continue on with when you're done with her. |
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| JLazyT_perf_horses - 2018-04-04 9:56 AM
I would pay $30K for an own daughter if she was bred right on the dam side, that would be the deciding factor for me. If you're just wanting to run and not breed her, then probably not. But if you wanted to breed her then maybe. Breeding to him is expensive, so babies are expensive. By the time you pay for the ICSI and his stud fee, you're already around $16K into the ones hitting the ground now. That's I think part of the reason why you don't see as many own sons/daughters coming out now, the expense of it & the ICSI is so risky for a lot of people to want to take on unless they have an established breeding program where they can handle that potential loss. If you like her enough & don't mind spending some money, go for it. Would open the door for you to get a baby out of her for yourself to continue on with when you're done with her.
Good points here. I would LOVE to have a baby out of this mare if I bought her. But I'm not a breeding farm, we just are a local hobby farmette type place. I also was told people make some $$ by flushing embryos and selling to others, but I hear there's a risk there too. She just turned 7. Her dam is a daughter of DTF, but she was only raced on the track, not a proven barrel horse. I think I may go ride her next weekend as the seller knows I'm interested but she's not been pushy on the sale yet. Thanks for the opinions I love reading them all! |
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Location: Illinois | Wild1 - 2018-04-04 2:10 PM
JLazyT_perf_horses - 2018-04-04 9:56 AM
I would pay $30K for an own daughter if she was bred right on the dam side, that would be the deciding factor for me. If you're just wanting to run and not breed her, then probably not. But if you wanted to breed her then maybe. Breeding to him is expensive, so babies are expensive. By the time you pay for the ICSI and his stud fee, you're already around $16K into the ones hitting the ground now. That's I think part of the reason why you don't see as many own sons/daughters coming out now, the expense of it & the ICSI is so risky for a lot of people to want to take on unless they have an established breeding program where they can handle that potential loss. If you like her enough & don't mind spending some money, go for it. Would open the door for you to get a baby out of her for yourself to continue on with when you're done with her.
Good points here. I would LOVE to have a baby out of this mare if I bought her. But I'm not a breeding farm, we just are a local hobby farmette type place. I also was told people make some $$ by flushing embryos and selling to others, but I hear there's a risk there too. She just turned 7. Her dam is a daughter of DTF, but she was only raced on the track, not a proven barrel horse. I think I may go ride her next weekend as the seller knows I'm interested but she's not been pushy on the sale yet. Thanks for the opinions I love reading them all!
If she's FG and DTF bred I wouldn't hesitate, proven or not. And if she's 7 even better. That's one of my favorite crosses and is often very desirable. If it were me I'd be on it ASAP lol. |
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| JLazyT_perf_horses - 2018-04-04 2:16 PM
Wild1 - 2018-04-04 2:10 PM
JLazyT_perf_horses - 2018-04-04 9:56 AM
I would pay $30K for an own daughter if she was bred right on the dam side, that would be the deciding factor for me. If you're just wanting to run and not breed her, then probably not. But if you wanted to breed her then maybe. Breeding to him is expensive, so babies are expensive. By the time you pay for the ICSI and his stud fee, you're already around $16K into the ones hitting the ground now. That's I think part of the reason why you don't see as many own sons/daughters coming out now, the expense of it & the ICSI is so risky for a lot of people to want to take on unless they have an established breeding program where they can handle that potential loss. If you like her enough & don't mind spending some money, go for it. Would open the door for you to get a baby out of her for yourself to continue on with when you're done with her.
Good points here. I would LOVE to have a baby out of this mare if I bought her. But I'm not a breeding farm, we just are a local hobby farmette type place. I also was told people make some $$ by flushing embryos and selling to others, but I hear there's a risk there too. She just turned 7. Her dam is a daughter of DTF, but she was only raced on the track, not a proven barrel horse. I think I may go ride her next weekend as the seller knows I'm interested but she's not been pushy on the sale yet. Thanks for the opinions I love reading them all!
If she's FG and DTF bred I wouldn't hesitate, proven or not. And if she's 7 even better. That's one of my favorite crosses and is often very desirable. If it were me I'd be on it ASAP lol.
Well your reply isn't helping me trying to avoid this whole ordeal!  And she's so laid back, I thought DTF's were always typically "hot" from the ones I've seen around me. She's not a dead head but very quiet under saddle in general. |
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| Mine is out of a daughter of DTF and for me, she’s quiet undersaddle. I feel very safe on her (I get nervous on hot horses).
Update us on how the purchase goes after you ride her next weekend!! ???? |
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Location: Illinois | That's why DTF and FG makes such a great cross, you get a lot of the run but with something sane minded in there. And for me FG on top and DTF on bottom is the best of either combo. You could probably breed her to something with some run later and still end up with a decent minded horses. Just my opinion, life's too short, buy the **** horse |
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| JLazyT_perf_horses - 2018-04-04 3:32 PM
That's why DTF and FG makes such a great cross, you get a lot of the run but with something sane minded in there. And for me FG on top and DTF on bottom is the best of either combo. You could probably breed her to something with some run later and still end up with a decent minded horses. Just my opinion, life's too short, buy the **** horse
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | If you really like this mare just make a offer on her and go from there, you never know someone else could make the same offer and then the owner takes it and then you will be kicking yourself for not making the same offer and then you lose.  |
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Will FG daughters be hard to get? Debating here..