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| Am I the only one that gets very aggravated about late fees at a barrel race? I understand processing fees, and I also understand that pre entering is easier on the producers but sometimes is hard to know if you are going to be able to run one day or two days, or if you are going to be able to get away at all!!! And yes, I know, if I don't like paying the fees, I just need to stay home, I get that too!
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| From a producer’s stand point, the pre-entries help with decisions on how much help they are going to need to get, or even if they are getting enough entries to justify putting the race on. This especially applies to places where there aren’t many barrel races, or new barrel race producers are trying to start new races. | |
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| runs4fun - 2018-04-13 8:02 AM
If it weren’t for “late” fees, the majority of people would choose to enter late which simply would not allow the producers to have adequate pre-race time to do draws and everything else that goes with putting on a barrel race; especially a big one. I’m pretty sure that they would much prefer everyone enter early rather than make “extra” $$ off of late fees. To me it’s a no-brainer and I have no problem with them.
At a big barrel race I can understand why they are necessary. | |
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| love2ridepre - 2018-04-13 7:44 AM Am I the only one that gets very aggravated about late fees at a barrel race? I understand processing fees, and I also understand that pre entering is easier on the producers but sometimes is hard to know if you are going to be able to run one day or two days, or if you are going to be able to get away at all!!! And yes, I know, if I don't like paying the fees, I just need to stay home, I get that too! Anyways, rant over. Happy Friday everyone!!! None of our local producers charge late fees, most let you enter via text or email and pay the day of-usually you have to pay by 50 before your number or they release it. Most take entries till the last 25-it is great! These are shows that draw 200+ entries. Wrapn3 takes pre entries at their 10k added shows but continue to take entries the day of til last 25 with no late fee.
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Location: The edge of no where | runs4fun - 2018-04-13 8:02 AM If it weren’t for “late” fees, the majority of people would choose to enter late which simply would not allow the producers to have adequate pre-race time to do draws and everything else that goes with putting on a barrel race; especially a big one. I’m pretty sure that they would much prefer everyone enter early rather than make “extra” $$ off of late fees. To me it’s a no-brainer and I have no problem with them.
Ok - Here's what I just do not understand about producers with this mentality. With all of the software available, it's not that difficult to do a draw. I think it's a mentality that the barrel racing world has accepted and it's crazy. I've worked LOTS of BIG team ropings - we deal with the logistics of having a crew, and cattle ready for the weekend......... and Everything is on site entries (most ropings are).........you enter them, fix mistakes and post the draw. Books open at 7:30-8:30 and rope at 9:00 - then you close books on the rest of the ropings for the weekend when you get to about the 3rd round of the previous roping. It's not that hard to run 200+ teams per roping like this, and you're playing for far more $$ than most barrel races. Everything is cash or credit card. Those that enter earlier, get to go at the end (it's the best way to incentivise them to get their business tended to).
I've gone to many barrel races here in central north texas that are on site entries, enter till the last 25 or 50 and they run off over 300 entries a day. I HATE late entries and will often boycott producers that charge more than $10 per rider. It's a silly excuse with all the software/resources available that the have to be pre-entered to mange the draw. | |
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Location: The edge of no where | rodeomom3 - 2018-04-13 8:50 AM love2ridepre - 2018-04-13 7:44 AM Am I the only one that gets very aggravated about late fees at a barrel race? I understand processing fees, and I also understand that pre entering is easier on the producers but sometimes is hard to know if you are going to be able to run one day or two days, or if you are going to be able to get away at all!!! And yes, I know, if I don't like paying the fees, I just need to stay home, I get that too! Anyways, rant over. Happy Friday everyone!!! None of our local producers charge late fees, most let you enter via text or email and pay the day of-usually you have to pay by 50 before your number or they release it. Most take entries till the last 25-it is great! These are shows that draw 200+ entries. Wrapn3 takes pre entries at their 10k added shows but continue to take entries the day of til last 25 with no late fee.
Bet these producers draw great numbers..... I've only been to a few Wrapn3 shows and thought they were awesome. I don't understand why more producers don't run them like her. | |
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| This is for a local producer. They are having a series and you have to become a member in order to eligible for the awards ($$, totally understandable. They do give excellent awards and they are not cheap), of course you have to attend to many shows as well (absolutely, it makes sense). So between fees and memberships (one time only) it can be close to $100.
Their races attracts an average of 130-150 on average. I know the amount of work involved in producing a barrel race is crazy ( I've helped in many) and the entry table can get busy BUT I am sorry, I still don't see the necessity of late fees. If anything, you can encourage people to pre enter by waving half the processing fee or something like that. To me late fees can discouraged a lot of riders from going, mostly riders that don't know if they can get off work in advance to pre-enter. | |
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| The bigger races regular jackpots around here do not charge them and close entries at/after the big drag at draw 50.
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| MS2011 - 2018-04-13 9:52 AM rodeomom3 - 2018-04-13 8:50 AM love2ridepre - 2018-04-13 7:44 AM Am I the only one that gets very aggravated about late fees at a barrel race? I understand processing fees, and I also understand that pre entering is easier on the producers but sometimes is hard to know if you are going to be able to run one day or two days, or if you are going to be able to get away at all!!! And yes, I know, if I don't like paying the fees, I just need to stay home, I get that too! Anyways, rant over. Happy Friday everyone!!! None of our local producers charge late fees, most let you enter via text or email and pay the day of-usually you have to pay by 50 before your number or they release it. Most take entries till the last 25-it is great! These are shows that draw 200+ entries. Wrapn3 takes pre entries at their 10k added shows but continue to take entries the day of til last 25 with no late fee.
Even our smaller weeknight jackpots <100, take entries via text and pay when you get there. To the OP, I don’t see any need for late fees, they are a deterrent. Over the last couple of years I’ve seen a real shift to accommodating the riders, it is sometimes a lot more work for the producers to deal with the scratches. I am very diligent about canceling my pre entry if I can’t make it and most others are too, we really appreciate the effort to go to for us.
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| I'm not a fan of late fees either, but I would rather pay them than lose the entire entry, because I wasn't able to make it, for some reason. Pre entered once for a larger race, something happened don't remember what, and wasn't able to go. Only got 70% back, so in that instance I would have been better off paying late fees. Of course if I want a certain draw and I'm pretty sure i can make it, ill pre enter. I do wait until the last minute tho! | |
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| MS2011 - 2018-04-13 9:51 AM
runs4fun - 2018-04-13 8:02 AM If it weren’t for “late” fees, the majority of people would choose to enter late which simply would not allow the producers to have adequate pre-race time to do draws and everything else that goes with putting on a barrel race; especially a big one. I’m pretty sure that they would much prefer everyone enter early rather than make “extra” $$ off of late fees. To me it’s a no-brainer and I have no problem with them.
Ok - Here's what I just do not understand about producers with this mentality. With all of the software available, it's not that difficult to do a draw. I think it's a mentality that the barrel racing world has accepted and it's crazy. I've worked LOTS of BIG team ropings - we deal with the logistics of having a crew, and cattle ready for the weekend......... and Everything is on site entries (most ropings are).........you enter them, fix mistakes and post the draw. Books open at 7:30-8:30 and rope at 9:00 - then you close books on the rest of the ropings for the weekend when you get to about the 3rd round of the previous roping. It's not that hard to run 200+ teams per roping like this, and you're playing for far more $$ than most barrel races. Everything is cash or credit card. Those that enter earlier, get to go at the end (it's the best way to incentivise them to get their business tended to).
I've gone to many barrel races here in central north texas that are on site entries, enter till the last 25 or 50 and they run off over 300 entries a day. I HATE late entries and will often boycott producers that charge more than $10 per rider. It's a silly excuse with all the software/resources available that the have to be pre-entered to mange the draw.
Agreed!!! Add it up... late fees, office fees, tie-out/jump-out fees, non-member fees... lose your hat fees. I see both sides of the argument, but you're right. The technology is there. | |
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| runs4fun - 2018-04-13 7:02 AM
If it weren’t for “late” fees, the majority of people would choose to enter late which simply would not allow the producers to have adequate pre-race time to do draws and everything else that goes with putting on a barrel race; especially a big one. I’m pretty sure that they would much prefer everyone enter early rather than make “extra” $$ off of late fees. To me it’s a no-brainer and I have no problem with them.
THANK YOU! This is exactly the point. | |
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Location: Running barrels or watching nascar | I don't know if I mind the fees as much as I dislike waiting all day. If I pre enter, I let work know ahead of time. | |
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| IdahoBarrelRacer756 - 2018-04-13 1:10 PM runs4fun - 2018-04-13 7:02 AM If it weren’t for “late” fees, the majority of people would choose to enter late which simply would not allow the producers to have adequate pre-race time to do draws and everything else that goes with putting on a barrel race; especially a big one. I’m pretty sure that they would much prefer everyone enter early rather than make “extra” $$ off of late fees. To me it’s a no-brainer and I have no problem with them. THANK YOU! This is exactly the point.
Our producers are able to put on great reaces without charging late fees. The pre entry system lets them gage the numbers and helps the contestant know when they will run plus the option of walk up with no late fee. Every race I have been too the producers are well prepared, most know what numbers their races draw. | |
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| We have been at some big races (500+ horses) and this particular producer doesn't charge ANY fees. Love them and I will support them as much as we can.
I understand the arguments of why to have them but I am sorry, I don't agree.
And yes, if I don't like races with late fees I have three choices, either pre enter, enter on site and pay the late fee and shut up or just don't go, I know I get that.
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Location: Nebraska | I would rather pay a late fee sometimes than pre enter weeks in advance. I like how some races close pre-entries the Tuesday or something before a weekend race. Then I have a good idea of whether or not I can attend.
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Location: Arizona | Here's our local NBHA entry fee for this weekend's race. So many fee's I can't even figure out the entry form...lol!! Ridiculous! | |
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Location: WI | I don't mind them within reason. I've been burned both ways. I prefer to pre-enter since I run a bleeder. I only see them up here on weekend races, not 1 day events. | |
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Location: Dubach, LA | I don’t mind late fee if it’s reasonable. My pet peeve is the ridiculous office fees. Not to Mention the way producers gig barrel racers for stalls and RVs. Find a roper and ask how much they pay for stalls at that same venue. We are just dumb enough to keep paying the rising cost. I choose not to go to the races that are overpriced. | |
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| The free enterprise system. We can choose who to do business with and who not to do business. Dislike a service or a product? Shop around...be picky...exercise your right not to buy at all. I choose to do business with producers who charge late fees because I understand it makes their hard work easier. I’ve just always been very appreciative of the fact that they’re people willing to be barrel race producers....it’s always seemed like a thankless job to me and I don’t think it’d be possible to make enough money for me to produce one.
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| runs4fun - 2018-04-13 3:54 PM The free enterprise system. We can choose who to do business with and who not to do business. Dislike a service or a product? Shop around...be picky...exercise your right not to buy at all. I choose to do business with producers who charge late fees because I understand it makes their hard work easier. I’ve just always been very appreciative of the fact that they’re people willing to be barrel race producers....it’s always seemed like a thankless job to me and I don’t think it’d be possible to make enough money for me to produce one. True, producers here have found that 90% of their entries are still thru pre entering even though they can enter the day of with no late fee. Most contestants want to pre enter so they can get a number and not have to be there all day.
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| My problem is high late fees, and then not getting any or all of your money back if you have to scratch. I've been in the situation and known of several that entered, their horse got hurt, had a vet note, KNEW it and told the promotor WEEKS before the show, still entered one of her horses, just not the hurt one, and only got back like 60% of what she had to scratch. She was also responsible for selling her extra stall.
I did the math and the late fee is cheaper than what you lose if you scratch and only get a percent back. SO, I just pay the late fee if I want to go that bad, or choose not to support those promoters.
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| CanCan - 2018-04-13 3:16 PM
I don’t mind late fee if it’s reasonable. My pet peeve is the ridiculous office fees. Not to Mention the way producers gig barrel racers for stalls and RVs. Find a roper and ask how much they pay for stalls at that same venue. We are just dumb enough to keep paying the rising cost. I choose not to go to the races that are overpriced.
Ditto with this post!! $15/day is rediculous for a late fee! Plus these bigger barrel races around me are now charging $75/stall, or a $20 jump out fee, daily fee, office fee, online fee, $8/bag shavings fee some say you MUST buy there, etc.. I'm sorry but not all of us are placing in the top 1D to win all these crazy fees back. It's really taken the fun out of going and enjoying our 2 and 3D horses. Might as well stay local  | |
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Location: sunny california | I would rather pay late fees than loose my entire entry. There was a pretty big race and the weather was so bad that many contestants could not get there due to flash floods/road closures. the parking and many horses were in standing water no refunds. well that did it for me. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | runs4fun - 2018-04-15 12:24 PM I wonder if the producer would have gotten a refund on stall and facility rental they paid? If not, giving out refunds would have probably done it for them, too. Jus sayin’.
As far as I know the producers dont set the fees on the stalls and shavings the facillity that they rent from sits the prices on stalls. Thats why if you do have to get a refund from the race because of a sick or hurt horse you lose your stall money.. I had to pull out of a race at the ANHA years ago because my hore got hurt after paying a early fee, I got a percentage of my money back from the producer but the stall fee was a separate fee.. | |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-15 12:33 PM runs4fun - 2018-04-15 12:24 PM I wonder if the producer would have gotten a refund on stall and facility rental they paid? If not, giving out refunds would have probably done it for them, too. Jus sayin’. As far as I know the producers dont set the fees on the stalls and shavings the facillity that they rent from sits the prices on stalls. Thats why if you do have to get a refund from the race because of a sick or hurt horse you lose your stall money.. I had to pull out of a race at the ANHA years ago because my hore got hurt after paying a early fee, I got a percentage of my money back from the producer but the stall fee was a separate fee..
The producers add on to what the facility is charging them, which is why when going to the same venue you can have different stall costs with different producers, it might be 20/night with one and 30/night with another. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | rodeomom3 - 2018-04-15 12:45 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-15 12:33 PM runs4fun - 2018-04-15 12:24 PM I wonder if the producer would have gotten a refund on stall and facility rental they paid? If not, giving out refunds would have probably done it for them, too. Jus sayin’. As far as I know the producers dont set the fees on the stalls and shavings the facillity that they rent from sits the prices on stalls. Thats why if you do have to get a refund from the race because of a sick or hurt horse you lose your stall money.. I had to pull out of a race at the ANHA years ago because my hore got hurt after paying a early fee, I got a percentage of my money back from the producer but the stall fee was a separate fee..
Oh I was wondering about that, so thats why all the high stall fees.. Hummmm, had a producter tell me that they dont make money off the stall charges.. Oh well you learn something new everyday..  | |
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Location: Missouri | Also, when you pay fees online you get charged a percentage. The race the poster is referring to there is a 3% charge for using your card. With what my stalls, RV spot, entries and office charge, I'll be paying an additional $8.40 by entering online. You can however send a check so that will be the route I'm taking. Save myself $7.92 and I can buy a few cheeseburgers, lol. | |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | Wild1 - 2018-04-12 6:01 PM
CanCan - 2018-04-13 3:16 PM
I don’t mind late fee if it’s reasonable. My pet peeve is the ridiculous office fees. Not to Mention the way producers gig barrel racers for stalls and RVs. Find a roper and ask how much they pay for stalls at that same venue. We are just dumb enough to keep paying the rising cost. I choose not to go to the races that are overpriced.
Ditto with this post!! $15/day is rediculous for a late fee! Plus these bigger barrel races around me are now charging $75/stall, or a $20 jump out fee, daily fee, office fee, online fee, $8/bag shavings fee some say you MUST buy there, etc.. I'm sorry but not all of us are placing in the top 1D to win all these crazy fees back. It's really taken the fun out of going and enjoying our 2 and 3D horses. Might as well stay local
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| There are several shows that are close to me that I do not attend due to all the fees. When it will cost me over 100$ to make one run, and most are fees- I boycott. No one cares that I do. There seems to still be plenty of people willing to pay the fees, and as long as that is the case.... I also hate shows with no tie out-and you must by a stall, even if only going one day/ or you have to pay the whole $25 processing fee to run one day. Modify fees for people who can only attend one day. I totally get how hard it is to put on a good show and find help, but to have to spend a weeks salary on one weekend just takes the fun out of the whole thing. | |
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| I'm not far from AZ and it USED TO BE that you could haul to Buckeye, where they have the huge winter races and futurities and the entry fees were reasonable/Low for the amount of added money ( like 40.00 fees for 1,000 added)and stalls were 10.00 a night per horse. You could also tie out or bring portables. You could win some serious cash for not very much entry fee or office charges. But I think the facility changed hands and now you have the big huge races like the Greg Olson, etc and now its just like everyone described. Expensive stalls, office fees, etc. And you know what, they get like 500 entries still. I have found the people that go to those don't have regular jobs like some of us. We can't just go park for a month. | |
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| Tbred - 2018-04-17 9:22 AM
Also, when you pay fees online you get charged a percentage. The race the poster is referring to there is a 3% charge for using your card. With what my stalls, RV spot, entries and office charge, I'll be paying an additional $8.40 by entering online. You can however send a check so that will be the route I'm taking. Save myself $7.92 and I can buy a few cheeseburgers, lol.
I know right!? I tried to do that and I was just like heck, I much rather enter on site and pay the late fee! you are still saving money than pre-entering! I am still not too crazy about the late feel though. If it was a 500+ riders race I would understand they want their entries sooner so they can plan ahead but I doubt it will be THAT BIG. Anyways, it just gave me something to complaint about LOL. | |
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Location: Missouri | love2ridepre - 2018-04-17 11:27 AM
Tbred - 2018-04-17 9:22 AM
Also, when you pay fees online you get charged a percentage. The race the poster is referring to there is a 3% charge for using your card. With what my stalls, RV spot, entries and office charge, I'll be paying an additional $8.40 by entering online. You can however send a check so that will be the route I'm taking. Save myself $7.92 and I can buy a few cheeseburgers, lol.
I know right!? I tried to do that and I was just like heck, I much rather enter on site and pay the late fee! you are still saving money than pre-entering! I am still not too crazy about the late feel though. If it was a 500+ riders race I would understand they want their entries sooner so they can plan ahead but I doubt it will be THAT BIG. Anyways, it just gave me something to complaint about LOL.
There isn't a late fee for this one, but there is for the rest of them starting with the May weekend. I'm not going to be able to get my stalls or RV till I get there Friday, but I'm not too worried as all the spots weren't taken all last year anyway. See ya this weekend girlie! | |
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| I understand office fees. Putting a race takes a lot of time and it is a big expense too! I don't like them either but I understand why some producers used them.
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Location: In my own little world | Dang...it's posts like this that make me want to in its each and everyone of you to come spend time with me as a producer, follow me around for a day, a week, a month, 2 months, 4 months etc leading up to events. You make it sound as tho producers are making a killing off of each of you! That haul in fee...might just be because the producer is charged a parking lot clean up/maintenance on top of arena rental. (Thanks to those who clean out the back of their horse trailers and leave it in the parking lot or that horse tied their all day that dug a hole to China in the ground.).
That admin/processing fee helps pay for office staff that try to politely take care of any issues you may have, accommodate you in any way possible, listen to every concern andbproblem you have, have your payout check to you as quickly as possible after the last run, has barely had time to take a bathroom break lest alone grab a bite to eat, is the 1st one there and the last to leave.
That facility contract I sign states I pay for the facility whether the event happens or is cancelled. So that outbreak of (insert current contagious disease here) that has shut down any equine events, in still responsible for paying for that facility plus I have already purchased the liability insurance policy in advance because 1) it is a requirement of facility rental and 2) no one wants to take responsibility for their own actions and are sue happy thus pushing
the cost up for everyone.
And let's not forget if I use the facility tractor/groomer that costs me $35 everytime it starts up times raking after every 5 (just a minor expense right!)
We pay our office help, barrel setters, tractor drivers, gate people, yada yada. We listen to nonstop concerns (complaints) all day long, we hear how you are all buckle and dined to death, we are criticized if we say one thing that can be perceived in a negative tone, or my favorite...when someone doesn't get what they want is "you do realize who I am don't you?" Um ya and everyone is treated the same no matter their status!
Comparing barrel races to team ropings is not even applicable. Team ropers don't care that their draw isn't posted at least a week in advance and 100 if them ask everyday "when will the draw be posted!"). They just want to rope. I've produced both. And the costs of producing a team roping all come out of that entry fee, they just do n't break it down like a barrel racing producer does. And for the
who have early entry, that is it, you either are entered by the entry deadline or you aren't entered.
I can only speak for my region of the country as that is how it's done here. I bare all the costs, take all the risks, deal with any complaints (which for me are few and far between) and when the last horse runs I still have many hours and a lot of paperwork ahead of me. If it were easy and we were getting rich producing, everyone would be doing it. But they aren't. So appreciate what you have, go to those you prefer to enter, stay away from those you don't and if you can't plan in advance, your problem should not become someone else's problem.
A late entry is kind of like an "after hours call". It costs you more.
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rodeomom3 - 2018-04-15 12:45 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-15 12:33 PM runs4fun - 2018-04-15 12:24 PM I wonder if the producer would have gotten a refund on stall and facility rental they paid? If not, giving out refunds would have probably done it for them, too. Jus sayin’. As far as I know the producers dont set the fees on the stalls and shavings the facillity that they rent from sits the prices on stalls. Thats why if you do have to get a refund from the race because of a sick or hurt horse you lose your stall money.. I had to pull out of a race at the ANHA years ago because my hore got hurt after paying a early fee, I got a percentage of my money back from the producer but the stall fee was a separate fee..
LOL. It may not be the case for ALL producers, but I know facilities here charge roughly $50-$55 per stall to the producer, and then the producer charges contestants $65-75/stall. Same goes for electrical sites sold.
If a producer says they are not making money on stalls, it might be because the facility takes 100% of the stall money and they have a lower facility rental fee? Who knows. . . could go either way I am sure. | |
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| ropenrun - 2018-04-17 10:53 AM
Dang...it's posts like this that make me want to in its each and everyone of you to come spend time with me as a producer, follow me around for a day, a week, a month, 2 months, 4 months etc leading up to events. You make it sound as tho producers are making a killing off of each of you! That haul in fee...might just be because the producer is charged a parking lot clean up/maintenance on top of arena rental. (Thanks to those who clean out the back of their horse trailers and leave it in the parking lot or that horse tied their all day that dug a hole to China in the ground.).
That admin/processing fee helps pay for office staff that try to politely take care of any issues you may have, accommodate you in any way possible, listen to every concern andbproblem you have, have your payout check to you as quickly as possible after the last run, has barely had time to take a bathroom break lest alone grab a bite to eat, is the 1st one there and the last to leave.
That facility contract I sign states I pay for the facility whether the event happens or is cancelled. So that outbreak of (insert current contagious disease here) that has shut down any equine events, in still responsible for paying for that facility plus I have already purchased the liability insurance policy in advance because 1) it is a requirement of facility rental and 2) no one wants to take responsibility for their own actions and are sue happy thus pushing
the cost up for everyone.
And let's not forget if I use the facility tractor/groomer that costs me $35 everytime it starts up times raking after every 5 (just a minor expense right!)
We pay our office help, barrel setters, tractor drivers, gate people, yada yada. We listen to nonstop concerns (complaints) all day long, we hear how you are all buckle and dined to death, we are criticized if we say one thing that can be perceived in a negative tone, or my favorite...when someone doesn't get what they want is "you do realize who I am don't you?" Um ya and everyone is treated the same no matter their status!
Comparing barrel races to team ropings is not even applicable. Team ropers don't care that their draw isn't posted at least a week in advance and 100 if them ask everyday "when will the draw be posted!"). They just want to rope. I've produced both. And the costs of producing a team roping all come out of that entry fee, they just do n't break it down like a barrel racing producer does. And for the
who have early entry, that is it, you either are entered by the entry deadline or you aren't entered.
I can only speak for my region of the country as that is how it's done here. I bare all the costs, take all the risks, deal with any complaints (which for me are few and far between) and when the last horse runs I still have many hours and a lot of paperwork ahead of me. If it were easy and we were getting rich producing, everyone would be doing it. But they aren't. So appreciate what you have, go to those you prefer to enter, stay away from those you don't and if you can't plan in advance, your problem should not become someone else's problem.
A late entry is kind of like an "after hours call". It costs you more.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | WrapN3MN - 2018-04-17 1:07 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-15 1:43 PM rodeomom3 - 2018-04-15 12:45 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-15 12:33 PM runs4fun - 2018-04-15 12:24 PM I wonder if the producer would have gotten a refund on stall and facility rental they paid? If not, giving out refunds would have probably done it for them, too. Jus sayin’. As far as I know the producers dont set the fees on the stalls and shavings the facillity that they rent from sits the prices on stalls. Thats why if you do have to get a refund from the race because of a sick or hurt horse you lose your stall money.. I had to pull out of a race at the ANHA years ago because my hore got hurt after paying a early fee, I got a percentage of my money back from the producer but the stall fee was a separate fee.. LOL. It may not be the case for ALL producers, but I know facilities here charge roughly $50-$55 per stall to the producer, and then the producer charges contestants $65-75/stall. Same goes for electrical sites sold. If a producer says they are not making money on stalls, it might be because the facility takes 100% of the stall money and they have a lower facility rental fee? Who knows. . . could go either way I am sure.
I remember few of the producers would give you a break on stalls with a early entry so that you could save a little money which I thought was great.. I know its hard work for these producers so a late fee charge never bother me, it was my choice to enter early are entry at the race when I got there and pay a late fee, but most imes if it were a 3 day race I always pre entry and got a good break on stalls..If the producers are the ones that tack onto the stall fees cause the facillity is charging the producers a fee also for the stalls then I understand for the higher fees on stalls.. I would think the producers would be barely breaking even on the stalls. | |
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| ropenrun - 2018-04-17 12:53 PM
Dang...it's posts like this that make me want to in its each and everyone of you to come spend time with me as a producer, follow me around for a day, a week, a month, 2 months, 4 months etc leading up to events. You make it sound as tho producers are making a killing off of each of you! That haul in fee...might just be because the producer is charged a parking lot clean up/maintenance on top of arena rental. (Thanks to those who clean out the back of their horse trailers and leave it in the parking lot or that horse tied their all day that dug a hole to China in the ground.).
That admin/processing fee helps pay for office staff that try to politely take care of any issues you may have, accommodate you in any way possible, listen to every concern andbproblem you have, have your payout check to you as quickly as possible after the last run, has barely had time to take a bathroom break lest alone grab a bite to eat, is the 1st one there and the last to leave.
That facility contract I sign states I pay for the facility whether the event happens or is cancelled. So that outbreak of (insert current contagious disease here) that has shut down any equine events, in still responsible for paying for that facility plus I have already purchased the liability insurance policy in advance because 1) it is a requirement of facility rental and 2) no one wants to take responsibility for their own actions and are sue happy thus pushing
the cost up for everyone.
And let's not forget if I use the facility tractor/groomer that costs me $35 everytime it starts up times raking after every 5 (just a minor expense right!)
We pay our office help, barrel setters, tractor drivers, gate people, yada yada. We listen to nonstop concerns (complaints) all day long, we hear how you are all buckle and dined to death, we are criticized if we say one thing that can be perceived in a negative tone, or my favorite...when someone doesn't get what they want is "you do realize who I am don't you?" Um ya and everyone is treated the same no matter their status!
Comparing barrel races to team ropings is not even applicable. Team ropers don't care that their draw isn't posted at least a week in advance and 100 if them ask everyday "when will the draw be posted!"). They just want to rope. I've produced both. And the costs of producing a team roping all come out of that entry fee, they just do n't break it down like a barrel racing producer does. And for the
who have early entry, that is it, you either are entered by the entry deadline or you aren't entered.
I can only speak for my region of the country as that is how it's done here. I bare all the costs, take all the risks, deal with any complaints (which for me are few and far between) and when the last horse runs I still have many hours and a lot of paperwork ahead of me. If it were easy and we were getting rich producing, everyone would be doing it. But they aren't. So appreciate what you have, go to those you prefer to enter, stay away from those you don't and if you can't plan in advance, your problem should not become someone else's problem.
A late entry is kind of like an "after hours call". It costs you more.
I get it! I appreciate you producers!! I don't think you are making a killing, I know its a lot of work, and you guys put up with a lot of much sh** . I know because I have helped quite a bit at the races and I see what goes behind the scenes.
My post was only referring at the late fees, sorry, I still dislike them and I personally find them excessive mostly when you have to pay an office fee (which I know it's necessary). | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | ropenrun - 2018-04-17 12:53 PM Dang...it's posts like this that make me want to in its each and everyone of you to come spend time with me as a producer, follow me around for a day, a week, a month, 2 months, 4 months etc leading up to events. You make it sound as tho producers are making a killing off of each of you! That haul in fee...might just be because the producer is charged a parking lot clean up/maintenance on top of arena rental. (Thanks to those who clean out the back of their horse trailers and leave it in the parking lot or that horse tied their all day that dug a hole to China in the ground.). That admin/processing fee helps pay for office staff that try to politely take care of any issues you may have, accommodate you in any way possible, listen to every concern andbproblem you have, have your payout check to you as quickly as possible after the last run, has barely had time to take a bathroom break lest alone grab a bite to eat, is the 1st one there and the last to leave. That facility contract I sign states I pay for the facility whether the event happens or is cancelled. So that outbreak of (insert current contagious disease here) that has shut down any equine events, in still responsible for paying for that facility plus I have already purchased the liability insurance policy in advance because 1) it is a requirement of facility rental and 2) no one wants to take responsibility for their own actions and are sue happy thus pushing the cost up for everyone. And let's not forget if I use the facility tractor/groomer that costs me $35 everytime it starts up times raking after every 5 (just a minor expense right!) We pay our office help, barrel setters, tractor drivers, gate people, yada yada. We listen to nonstop concerns (complaints) all day long, we hear how you are all buckle and dined to death, we are criticized if we say one thing that can be perceived in a negative tone, or my favorite...when someone doesn't get what they want is "you do realize who I am don't you?" Um ya and everyone is treated the same no matter their status! Comparing barrel races to team ropings is not even applicable. Team ropers don't care that their draw isn't posted at least a week in advance and 100 if them ask everyday "when will the draw be posted!"). They just want to rope. I've produced both. And the costs of producing a team roping all come out of that entry fee, they just do n't break it down like a barrel racing producer does. And for the who have early entry, that is it, you either are entered by the entry deadline or you aren't entered. I can only speak for my region of the country as that is how it's done here. I bare all the costs, take all the risks, deal with any complaints (which for me are few and far between) and when the last horse runs I still have many hours and a lot of paperwork ahead of me. If it were easy and we were getting rich producing, everyone would be doing it. But they aren't. So appreciate what you have, go to those you prefer to enter, stay away from those you don't and if you can't plan in advance, your problem should not become someone else's problem. A late entry is kind of like an "after hours call". It costs you more.
Thank you for the races you do put on.. Where are these races held at that you put on? Are they here in Texas?  | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Junebug1 - 2018-04-13 11:03 AM I'm not a fan of late fees either, but I would rather pay them than lose the entire entry, because I wasn't able to make it, for some reason. Pre entered once for a larger race, something happened don't remember what, and wasn't able to go. Only got 70% back, so in that instance I would have been better off paying late fees. Of course if I want a certain draw and I'm pretty sure i can make it, ill pre enter. I do wait until the last minute tho!
I had that happen, broke my pelvis 10 days before an event, and got ZERO money back. I was out over $350 on that deal on top of my stupid high dr bills. They only accepted vet excuses, guess I should have lied instead of asking them to do the right thing. | |
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| ropenrun - 2018-04-17 12:53 PM
Dang...it's posts like this that make me want to in its each and everyone of you to come spend time with me as a producer, follow me around for a day, a week, a month, 2 months, 4 months etc leading up to events. You make it sound as tho producers are making a killing off of each of you! That haul in fee...might just be because the producer is charged a parking lot clean up/maintenance on top of arena rental. (Thanks to those who clean out the back of their horse trailers and leave it in the parking lot or that horse tied their all day that dug a hole to China in the ground.).
That admin/processing fee helps pay for office staff that try to politely take care of any issues you may have, accommodate you in any way possible, listen to every concern andbproblem you have, have your payout check to you as quickly as possible after the last run, has barely had time to take a bathroom break lest alone grab a bite to eat, is the 1st one there and the last to leave.
That facility contract I sign states I pay for the facility whether the event happens or is cancelled. So that outbreak of (insert current contagious disease here) that has shut down any equine events, in still responsible for paying for that facility plus I have already purchased the liability insurance policy in advance because 1) it is a requirement of facility rental and 2) no one wants to take responsibility for their own actions and are sue happy thus pushing
the cost up for everyone.
And let's not forget if I use the facility tractor/groomer that costs me $35 everytime it starts up times raking after every 5 (just a minor expense right!)
We pay our office help, barrel setters, tractor drivers, gate people, yada yada. We listen to nonstop concerns (complaints) all day long, we hear how you are all buckle and dined to death, we are criticized if we say one thing that can be perceived in a negative tone, or my favorite...when someone doesn't get what they want is "you do realize who I am don't you?" Um ya and everyone is treated the same no matter their status!
Comparing barrel races to team ropings is not even applicable. Team ropers don't care that their draw isn't posted at least a week in advance and 100 if them ask everyday "when will the draw be posted!"). They just want to rope. I've produced both. And the costs of producing a team roping all come out of that entry fee, they just do n't break it down like a barrel racing producer does. And for the
who have early entry, that is it, you either are entered by the entry deadline or you aren't entered.
I can only speak for my region of the country as that is how it's done here. I bare all the costs, take all the risks, deal with any complaints (which for me are few and far between) and when the last horse runs I still have many hours and a lot of paperwork ahead of me. If it were easy and we were getting rich producing, everyone would be doing it. But they aren't. So appreciate what you have, go to those you prefer to enter, stay away from those you don't and if you can't plan in advance, your problem should not become someone else's problem.
A late entry is kind of like an "after hours call". It costs you more.
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Location: In my own little world | Not giving people back at least a % of their money for notified vet releases, medical releases is not something I think is a smart thing to do but that is just me.
Someone asked why I do it? It is now my job. But don't think I'm making a killing off it because it doesn't work that way. Depending on the venue sometimes I make more money than other places. I do it because I produce events people want to come to. I do it because I like to promote our sport to up and comers, I do it because I love watching good horses run, I do it because it affords me to be able to enter other barrel races.
I do not tolerate disrespectful staff to the contestants. And if there is an issue there are right ways to go about a resolution. i guess for me, work is not all about the $$. There has to be a love for the job and satisfaction and gratification that comes with doing a good job. I guess that is why I was in education for so long. It def wasn't about the huge paycheck at the end of the month. I don't get rich doing this but I'm also not going to do it for nothing either. On a bigger race with preentries I don't think $15/day or $25 for the weekend is out of line. If it's a punkin rollin barrel race, there needs to be a good reason for late fees. | |
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Location: sunny california | runs4fun - 2018-04-15 10:24 AM I wonder if the producer would have gotten a refund on stall and facility rental they paid? If not, giving out refunds would have probably done it for them, too. Jus sayin’.
Just because I would rather pay a late fee then loose all my money to a facility that is under water and literally half the people can not get there does not make me a bad person. just sayin! i think the facility should have cancelled and gave the money back to the producer if they are flooded... giving up a free date would have been good PR on the facilities part. | |
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runs4fun - 2018-04-15 10:24 AM I wonder if the producer would have gotten a refund on stall and facility rental they paid? If not, giving out refunds would have probably done it for them, too. Jus sayin’.
Just because I would rather pay a late fee then loose all my money to a facility that is under water and literally half the people can not get there does not make me a bad person. just sayin! i think the facility should have cancelled and gave the money back to the producer if they are flooded... giving up a free date would have been good PR on the facilities part.
Normally, the contracts with facilities are a rain or shine contract. It’s always a trickle down thing...facility down to producer down to competitor. Everyone has a financial stake in it. Liking late fees...not liking late fees, or producers or associations etc...doesn’t make any of us a bad person. We all have to decide individually what’s going to work best for us. Barrel racing, in the grand scheme of life isn’t really the most important thing in life, although we (myself incluuded)sometimes make it seem so. ?? | |
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runs4fun - 2018-04-15 10:24 AM I wonder if the producer would have gotten a refund on stall and facility rental they paid? If not, giving out refunds would have probably done it for them, too. Jus sayin’.
Just because I would rather pay a late fee then loose all my money to a facility that is under water and literally half the people can not get there does not make me a bad person. just sayin! i think the facility should have cancelled and gave the money back to the producer if they are flooded... giving up a free date would have been good PR on the facilities part.
Normally, the contracts with facilities are a rain or shine contract. It’s always a trickle down thing...facility down to producer down to competitor. Everyone has a financial stake in it. Liking late fees...not liking late fees, or producers or associations etc...doesn’t make any of us a bad person. We all have to decide individually what’s going to work best for us. Barrel racing, in the grand scheme of life isn’t really the most important thing in life, although we (myself incluuded)sometimes make it seem so. ?? | |
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| kwanatha - 2018-04-17 6:52 PM
runs4fun - 2018-04-15 10:24 AM I wonder if the producer would have gotten a refund on stall and facility rental they paid? If not, giving out refunds would have probably done it for them, too. Jus sayin’.
Just because I would rather pay a late fee then loose all my money to a facility that is under water and literally half the people can not get there does not make me a bad person. just sayin! i think the facility should have cancelled and gave the money back to the producer if they are flooded... giving up a free date would have been good PR on the facilities part.
Normally, the contracts with facilities are a rain or shine contract. It’s always a trickle down thing...facility down to producer down to competitor. Everyone has a financial stake in it. Liking late fees...not liking late fees, or producers or associations etc...doesn’t make any of us a bad person. We all have to decide individually what’s going to work best for us. Barrel racing, in the grand scheme of life isn’t really the most important thing in life, although we (myself incluuded)sometimes make it seem so. ?? | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-17 1:24 PM ropenrun - 2018-04-17 12:53 PM Dang...it's posts like this that make me want to in its each and everyone of you to come spend time with me as a producer, follow me around for a day, a week, a month, 2 months, 4 months etc leading up to events. You make it sound as tho producers are making a killing off of each of you! That haul in fee...might just be because the producer is charged a parking lot clean up/maintenance on top of arena rental. (Thanks to those who clean out the back of their horse trailers and leave it in the parking lot or that horse tied their all day that dug a hole to China in the ground.). That admin/processing fee helps pay for office staff that try to politely take care of any issues you may have, accommodate you in any way possible, listen to every concern andbproblem you have, have your payout check to you as quickly as possible after the last run, has barely had time to take a bathroom break lest alone grab a bite to eat, is the 1st one there and the last to leave. That facility contract I sign states I pay for the facility whether the event happens or is cancelled. So that outbreak of (insert current contagious disease here) that has shut down any equine events, in still responsible for paying for that facility plus I have already purchased the liability insurance policy in advance because 1) it is a requirement of facility rental and 2) no one wants to take responsibility for their own actions and are sue happy thus pushing the cost up for everyone. And let's not forget if I use the facility tractor/groomer that costs me $35 everytime it starts up times raking after every 5 (just a minor expense right!) We pay our office help, barrel setters, tractor drivers, gate people, yada yada. We listen to nonstop concerns (complaints) all day long, we hear how you are all buckle and dined to death, we are criticized if we say one thing that can be perceived in a negative tone, or my favorite...when someone doesn't get what they want is "you do realize who I am don't you?" Um ya and everyone is treated the same no matter their status! Comparing barrel races to team ropings is not even applicable. Team ropers don't care that their draw isn't posted at least a week in advance and 100 if them ask everyday "when will the draw be posted!"). They just want to rope. I've produced both. And the costs of producing a team roping all come out of that entry fee, they just do n't break it down like a barrel racing producer does. And for the who have early entry, that is it, you either are entered by the entry deadline or you aren't entered. I can only speak for my region of the country as that is how it's done here. I bare all the costs, take all the risks, deal with any complaints (which for me are few and far between) and when the last horse runs I still have many hours and a lot of paperwork ahead of me. If it were easy and we were getting rich producing, everyone would be doing it. But they aren't. So appreciate what you have, go to those you prefer to enter, stay away from those you don't and if you can't plan in advance, your problem should not become someone else's problem. A late entry is kind of like an "after hours call". It costs you more. Thank you for the races you do put on.. Where are these races held at that you put on? Are they here in Texas?
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Location: In my own little world | Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-18 9:17 AM
Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-17 1:24 PM ropenrun - 2018-04-17 12:53 PM Dang...it's posts like this that make me want to in its each and everyone of you to come spend time with me as a producer, follow me around for a day, a week, a month, 2 months, 4 months etc leading up to events. You make it sound as tho producers are making a killing off of each of you! That haul in fee...might just be because the producer is charged a parking lot clean up/maintenance on top of arena rental. (Thanks to those who clean out the back of their horse trailers and leave it in the parking lot or that horse tied their all day that dug a hole to China in the ground.). That admin/processing fee helps pay for office staff that try to politely take care of any issues you may have, accommodate you in any way possible, listen to every concern andbproblem you have, have your payout check to you as quickly as possible after the last run, has barely had time to take a bathroom break lest alone grab a bite to eat, is the 1st one there and the last to leave. That facility contract I sign states I pay for the facility whether the event happens or is cancelled. So that outbreak of (insert current contagious disease here) that has shut down any equine events, in still responsible for paying for that facility plus I have already purchased the liability insurance policy in advance because 1) it is a requirement of facility rental and 2) no one wants to take responsibility for their own actions and are sue happy thus pushing the cost up for everyone. And let's not forget if I use the facility tractor/groomer that costs me $35 everytime it starts up times raking after every 5 (just a minor expense right!) We pay our office help, barrel setters, tractor drivers, gate people, yada yada. We listen to nonstop concerns (complaints) all day long, we hear how you are all buckle and dined to death, we are criticized if we say one thing that can be perceived in a negative tone, or my favorite...when someone doesn't get what they want is "you do realize who I am don't you?" Um ya and everyone is treated the same no matter their status! Comparing barrel races to team ropings is not even applicable. Team ropers don't care that their draw isn't posted at least a week in advance and 100 if them ask everyday "when will the draw be posted!"). They just want to rope. I've produced both. And the costs of producing a team roping all come out of that entry fee, they just do n't break it down like a barrel racing producer does. And for the who have early entry, that is it, you either are entered by the entry deadline or you aren't entered. I can only speak for my region of the country as that is how it's done here. I bare all the costs, take all the risks, deal with any complaints (which for me are few and far between) and when the last horse runs I still have many hours and a lot of paperwork ahead of me. If it were easy and we were getting rich producing, everyone would be doing it. But they aren't. So appreciate what you have, go to those you prefer to enter, stay away from those you don't and if you can't plan in advance, your problem should not become someone else's problem. A late entry is kind of like an "after hours call". It costs you more. Thank you for the races you do put on.. Where are these races held at that you put on? Are they here in Texas?
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Location: 31 lengths farms | linds - 2018-04-14 12:58 PM
I don't mind them within reason. I've been burned both ways. I prefer to pre-enter since I run a bleeder. I only see them up here on weekend races, not 1 day events.
THANK YOU!!! I helped in the office at a race a few years back. Can not tell you how many people entered day of and then immediately wanted to know when the late draw would be posted because they had to give their horse Lasix and needed to know when to give it. Mic drop. And to be honest I do not have or have I ever had a bleeder (that I know of...) but I do have a horse that tends to require a very slow, very long warm up process, its just how he runs best. Knowing that I always pre-enter on him at races that offer that, the local stuff we just do our best to meet his requirements.
And personally,, I have no issues with paying a late fee if I didn't pre-enter. Now if the late fee is @25 bucks, it tends to make me make up my mind a whole lot sooner, LOL!!!
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| I haven't ever met a team roper that wants to know his draw number a week in advance, or that wants a program of all the pre-entries for the weekend to keep times on. Team ropers also don't care about accurate program information like breeding/breeders/owners. I wish barrel racers were more like team ropers (except for their parking skills), but they're not. They want accurate information, way in advance, and want the show to run smoothly the day of. Encouraging pre-entries though late fees goes a long ways to addressing that for big shows.
Producers can't do it all. Perfect ground, fast tractors, pre-draws, fast late draws, good added money, prizes, good announcers and accurate information all take time, money, and a lot of hard work.
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| FLITASTIC - 2018-04-17 1:16 PM
ropenrun - 2018-04-17 10:53 AM
Dang...it's posts like this that make me want to in its each and everyone of you to come spend time with me as a producer, follow me around for a day, a week, a month, 2 months, 4 months etc leading up to events. You make it sound as tho producers are making a killing off of each of you! That haul in fee...might just be because the producer is charged a parking lot clean up/maintenance on top of arena rental. (Thanks to those who clean out the back of their horse trailers and leave it in the parking lot or that horse tied their all day that dug a hole to China in the ground.).
That admin/processing fee helps pay for office staff that try to politely take care of any issues you may have, accommodate you in any way possible, listen to every concern andbproblem you have, have your payout check to you as quickly as possible after the last run, has barely had time to take a bathroom break lest alone grab a bite to eat, is the 1st one there and the last to leave.
That facility contract I sign states I pay for the facility whether the event happens or is cancelled. So that outbreak of (insert current contagious disease here) that has shut down any equine events, in still responsible for paying for that facility plus I have already purchased the liability insurance policy in advance because 1) it is a requirement of facility rental and 2) no one wants to take responsibility for their own actions and are sue happy thus pushing
the cost up for everyone.
And let's not forget if I use the facility tractor/groomer that costs me $35 everytime it starts up times raking after every 5 (just a minor expense right!)
We pay our office help, barrel setters, tractor drivers, gate people, yada yada. We listen to nonstop concerns (complaints) all day long, we hear how you are all buckle and dined to death, we are criticized if we say one thing that can be perceived in a negative tone, or my favorite...when someone doesn't get what they want is "you do realize who I am don't you?" Um ya and everyone is treated the same no matter their status!
Comparing barrel races to team ropings is not even applicable. Team ropers don't care that their draw isn't posted at least a week in advance and 100 if them ask everyday "when will the draw be posted!"). They just want to rope. I've produced both. And the costs of producing a team roping all come out of that entry fee, they just do n't break it down like a barrel racing producer does. And for the
who have early entry, that is it, you either are entered by the entry deadline or you aren't entered.
I can only speak for my region of the country as that is how it's done here. I bare all the costs, take all the risks, deal with any complaints (which for me are few and far between) and when the last horse runs I still have many hours and a lot of paperwork ahead of me. If it were easy and we were getting rich producing, everyone would be doing it. But they aren't. So appreciate what you have, go to those you prefer to enter, stay away from those you don't and if you can't plan in advance, your problem should not become someone else's problem.
A late entry is kind of like an "after hours call". It costs you more.
SO what motivates you to be a producer?
I am curious as well... what is the incentive then to be a producer? Just and honest question, not trying to be a smart a$$. As I keep saying, I DO APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR PRODUCERS!!!! (I still hate late fees though) | |
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I dislike late fees with a passion