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Sock Snob
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| I have a 3 year old ahe is at a reining trainer now has about 60 rides on her. How broke do you want one to be before teaching barrels. She is a very willing and talented. Has a lot of turn and stop. They really like her. Ahe is very smart. I know i have a nice mare dont want to make any mistakes. |
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Location: Texas | I started mine on the pattern after 60 days of riding as a 2YO. Lightly, at a trot. She knew her leads, had a good stop, gait transitions, broke at the poll, moved off leg, etc.. |
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Location: Somewhere around here | Funny story, I had my friend ride my horse the other day (just getting someone else's opinion on his quirks) and she said he's too broke for barrels lol! Now idk who else would agree with her if they rode him, and she's a heck of a hand too, but I do recall a few moments where my past horses who weren't as broke took to the pattern a lot quicker than my fancy broke horse.
Being said that, I feel like as long as you can softy control your horse and they're having fun then I'd say you're good with your colt. |
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| casualdust07 - 2018-04-16 5:28 PM I started mine on the pattern after 60 days of riding as a 2YO. Lightly, at a trot. She knew her leads, had a good stop, gait transitions, broke at the poll, moved off leg, etc..
You started yours right with the foundation work that transitioned easily over to the barrels and you continued that foundation on the barrel pattern, great training on your part.
To the OP, I bought one that did not have any foundation work, did not know how to flex, could not lope a circle one direction, felt like he was going to fall down but he was patterned and will not run past a barrel. I liked enough other things about him and knew I would need to send him to my trainer so I bought him. It was a lot harder to undo him and teach him how to get his inside leg under him, etc but he came back feeling like a different horse. My point is I think the timing of when you start to pattern them depends on his much foundation you have and to continue to emphasize foundation. |
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 Miss Laundry Misshap
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| I plan on using barrels and poles to enhance my basic training. There are so many ways to get them broke with different activities that will pattern them as well.
My filly W/T/L stop,back, rollback, bend/flex, and is starting to work off leg. Poles will definitely help enhance the leg work! |
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| cecollins0811 - 2018-04-17 6:53 AM
Funny story, I had my friend ride my horse the other day (just getting someone else's opinion on his quirks) and she said he's too broke for barrels lol! Now idk who else would agree with her if they rode him, and she's a heck of a hand too, but I do recall a few moments where my past horses who weren't as broke took to the pattern a lot quicker than my fancy broke horse.
Being said that, I feel like as long as you can softy control your horse and they're having fun then I'd say you're good with your colt.
This reminds me of that picture of Louie showing as a cow horse that was going around. I think in the comments it said something about some barrel racers trying him and saying he was too broke to make a barrel horse.
To each his own and there are some girls who can absolutely make less broke work, and work really really well. But I just can't wrap my brain around the expression "too broke". lol
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Location: North Dakota | rpreast - 2018-04-17 9:51 AM cecollins0811 - 2018-04-17 6:53 AM Funny story, I had my friend ride my horse the other day (just getting someone else's opinion on his quirks) and she said he's too broke for barrels lol! Now idk who else would agree with her if they rode him, and she's a heck of a hand too, but I do recall a few moments where my past horses who weren't as broke took to the pattern a lot quicker than my fancy broke horse. Being said that, I feel like as long as you can softy control your horse and they're having fun then I'd say you're good with your colt. This reminds me of that picture of Louie showing as a cow horse that was going around. I think in the comments it said something about some barrel racers trying him and saying he was too broke to make a barrel horse. To each his own and there are some girls who can absolutely make less broke work, and work really really well. But I just can't wrap my brain around the expression "too broke". lol
You and me both!! I actually prefer and work really hard to put a solid foundation on a horse because I find it more enjoyable to have a soft, willing partner. |
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| Too broke to me is one that is constantly flexed at the poll. You see it a lot, someone riding around with constant contact, keeping the horse tucked up like a reining horse. What I want from a horse is to easily break at the poll, but give it right back to them and let them travel naturally and flat, not round constantly. When I get to a barrel and pick up just slightly I want it to MEAN something, not tuck, or just ignore because I am always on my horses face. There is broke and there is too broke, IMO.
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| WYOTurn-n-Burn - 2018-04-17 10:29 AM
rpreast - 2018-04-17 9:51 AM cecollins0811 - 2018-04-17 6:53 AM Funny story, I had my friend ride my horse the other day (just getting someone else's opinion on his quirks) and she said he's too broke for barrels lol! Now idk who else would agree with her if they rode him, and she's a heck of a hand too, but I do recall a few moments where my past horses who weren't as broke took to the pattern a lot quicker than my fancy broke horse. Being said that, I feel like as long as you can softy control your horse and they're having fun then I'd say you're good with your colt. This reminds me of that picture of Louie showing as a cow horse that was going around. I think in the comments it said something about some barrel racers trying him and saying he was too broke to make a barrel horse. To each his own and there are some girls who can absolutely make less broke work, and work really really well. But I just can't wrap my brain around the expression "too broke". lol
Most people can't ride a horse that is "too broke". Horses that aren't as broke(not as responsive) allow for more mistakes; more bumps, pulls, shifting of weight, than a really "broke" horse would. It just takes another level of focus and consistency. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | I want to be able to place them where I want them easily when I start the pattern, which requires knowing how to collect/extend, pick up a lead (although I can manage quite well even if they don't have that skill down pat just yet), wrap around my inside leg, willingly move forward into the bridle, move laterally, and come back over themselves when asked. I tend to add refinement of what they know, as well as some more buttons as we progress, just to have something different to do, and because I enjoy installing those buttons. When selling horses, having the fancy buttons absolutely helps because horses that are fun to ride sell easily. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | FlyingJT - 2018-04-17 11:14 AM WYOTurn-n-Burn - 2018-04-17 10:29 AM rpreast - 2018-04-17 9:51 AM cecollins0811 - 2018-04-17 6:53 AM Funny story, I had my friend ride my horse the other day (just getting someone else's opinion on his quirks) and she said he's too broke for barrels lol! Now idk who else would agree with her if they rode him, and she's a heck of a hand too, but I do recall a few moments where my past horses who weren't as broke took to the pattern a lot quicker than my fancy broke horse. Being said that, I feel like as long as you can softy control your horse and they're having fun then I'd say you're good with your colt. This reminds me of that picture of Louie showing as a cow horse that was going around. I think in the comments it said something about some barrel racers trying him and saying he was too broke to make a barrel horse. To each his own and there are some girls who can absolutely make less broke work, and work really really well. But I just can't wrap my brain around the expression "too broke". lol Most people can't ride a horse that is "too broke". Horses that aren't as broke (not as responsive ) allow for more mistakes; more bumps, pulls, shifting of weight, than a really "broke" horse would. It just takes another level of focus and consistency.
I agree. Also, what some call "too broke" is actually trained wrong/overbridled. You see a lot of that with horses that have had their heads tied back or too many headsetting gimmicks used on them. They give you a frame with false softness instead of in the bridle moving forward with collection and true softness. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Meep.Meep - 2018-04-17 10:34 AM Too broke to me is one that is constantly flexed at the poll. You see it a lot, someone riding around with constant contact, keeping the horse tucked up like a reining horse. What I want from a horse is to easily break at the poll, but give it right back to them and let them travel naturally and flat, not round constantly. When I get to a barrel and pick up just slightly I want it to MEAN something, not tuck, or just ignore because I am always on my horses face. There is broke and there is too broke, IMO.
A horse doesn't tuck and ignore because they're too broke, that happens when they're badly trained. |
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 Quarter Horse HIstorian
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Location: Aubrey, Texas | I’m usually very broke by the time I get one that far. . . |
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| Depends. I have a colt right now who by most standards probably isn’t broke enough, but he’s also very cowy and seems to be catching on to the concepts I’m trying to teach him better with light work on the pattern/with barrels. He wants a job. He can do everything people have mentioned, he’s just not quite as light and responsive all the time as I’d like him to be. It’s a work in progress.
Some days it’s the actual cloverleaf, other days it’s just working figure 8’s with 2 barrels, or the poles, etc. he’d be a lot farther along if Mother Nature would get her poop in a group. |
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Miss Laundry Misshap
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| OhMax - 2018-04-17 12:11 PM Depends. I have a colt right now who by most standards probably isn’t broke enough, but he’s also very cowy and seems to be catching on to the concepts I’m trying to teach him better with light work on the pattern/with barrels. He wants a job. He can do everything people have mentioned, he’s just not quite as light and responsive all the time as I’d like him to be. It’s a work in progress. Some days it’s the actual cloverleaf, other days it’s just working figure 8’s with 2 barrels, or the poles, etc. he’d be a lot farther along if Mother Nature would get her poop in a group.
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| Three 4 Luck - 2018-04-17 11:37 AM
Meep.Meep - 2018-04-17 10:34 AM Too broke to me is one that is constantly flexed at the poll. You see it a lot, someone riding around with constant contact, keeping the horse tucked up like a reining horse. What I want from a horse is to easily break at the poll, but give it right back to them and let them travel naturally and flat, not round constantly. When I get to a barrel and pick up just slightly I want it to MEAN something, not tuck, or just ignore because I am always on my horses face. There is broke and there is too broke, IMO.
A horse doesn't tuck and ignore because they're too broke, that happens when they're badly trained.
Agree to disagree. I do not like a horse reining broke for barrels. My horses are super broke, responsive, light. But I do not like the feel of a reiner for barrels. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | cloverleaf - 2018-04-17 11:55 AM I’m usually very broke by the time I get one that far. . .
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Location: Louisiana | Three 4 Luck - 2018-04-17 11:33 AM
I want to be able to place them where I want them easily when I start the pattern, which requires knowing how to collect/extend, pick up a lead (although I can manage quite well even if they don't have that skill down pat just yet), wrap around my inside leg, willingly move forward into the bridle, move laterally, and come back over themselves when asked. I tend to add refinement of what they know, as well as some more buttons as we progress, just to have something different to do, and because I enjoy installing those buttons. When selling horses, having the fancy buttons absolutely helps because horses that are fun to ride sell easily.
Having the ability to do all these things prior to seeing a barrel will make people think you're lying when you tell them it's his first barrel race LOL.
It's also makes for an extremely easy to train barrel horse IMO...and I like easy and fun  |
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Sock Snob
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| I like some of the fancy buttons so if you are having problems you have a place to go back too. I ask this question as i have a 3 year old in trsining with a reiner, trying to figure how.long to keep her there before going on the barrels. The last mare i trained i kept her in foundation type training a little longer and she was easier to get started and didnt take long to pattern and loved the softness. She is my colt and dont have to.sell her but might. The reiner likes her and says she is turny and wants to stop. Going up this weekend hadnt seen her in 2 weeks excited because one they like her and i am proud as she is atheletic, a real natural lead changer and nice mover, good minded. I just want to give my colt what she needs may even hold her over as she should be where she is now but got cast in her stall and cut her leg and was off for 6 weeks. I never had a horse of this caliber. |
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| cloverleaf - 2018-04-17 11:55 AM
I’m usually very broke by the time I get one that far. . .
Isn't that the truth |
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How broke before going to barrel pattern