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 The One
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Location: South Georgia | My new guy was raced until the end of his 3 year old year (a total of 10 starts, SI 89) and then turned out for one year to rest. I'm working him on the lunge and going back to basics. They say he's super gentle and will walk and trot around anywhere, but that his circles need work. To quote the seller, "He will lope a circle, but not a pretty one." LOL Any tips? | |
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 Namesless in BHW
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Most race horses aren't taught any of that when being broke. You will have to teach him just like any other horse. | |
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 A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | This is where a round pen sure would come in handy, lol.. and lots of patience 
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Location: NE Texas | Circles first at walk, trot, then gallop once walk/trot is perfected. Spiral from large to small circles and back to large. Don't speed up circles until slower pace is good. | |
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 Take a Picture
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| If you are trying to round up his circles, it is simple. Just look where you want the horse to go. That is the reason that people scream at barrel races "Look up, look up" The horse goes right where you are looking. | |
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 Off the Wall Wacky
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Location: Louisiana | Any colt I get from my husband doesn't know how to lope circles LOL because I quote, "Why would I EVER need to lope a circle??" 
That said, they are "broke" and know how to use their body-they just don't have that muscle memory. I focus more on correct body position than the shape of my circle. Shoulder up, nice headset, reaching/driving with hind end, etc...if you have those pieces, the perfect circle will come over time with muscle memory and repetition.
So, don't worry about the circle, get his body where you want it, and the circles will come. | |
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| OTT are actually sensitive to your feet. Every one that I have gotten have been moving off leg pressure within the first 15 minutes. The hardest thing about a circle is getting them to not push through the bit, you can shape them through their rib cage, get their hind end under them, but it's a challenge to get them to back off the bit and not drop the shoulder. I do roll backs on the fence, they have to move off the bit and pick their shoulder up or they'll kiss the fence. It also stops the "runaway" mindset, once they've been turned back a few times they start thinking about when their going to be asked to set and turn and less about going fast. The first few times you try to do some rollbacks on the fence its UGLY, awkward, and just bad... but they figure it out fast, that fence isn't moving out of the way.
Once they've got an OK roll back and I'm having to keep pushing them because they are waiting for the set&turn, I'll ask them to move off the fence in a circle, keeping the shape of the rib cage with my inside feet and drive from the hind end, their shoulder will be lifted from the roll back and their not thinking "run". It just seems to help show them the path of least resistance, easier to lope a circle when they're picked up.
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The One
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Location: South Georgia | Thank you all. That "runaway" mindset is what I'm a little leery of, since I've never worked with an OTT before. | |
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| horsegirl - 2018-04-17 11:17 AM
Thank you all. That "runaway" mindset is what I'm a little leery of, since I've never worked with an OTT before.
Don't be scared! Remember they have been trained to run, it's what they think they are suppose to do. Once you shift their focus, they'll slow down. I have a Streakin La Jolla son right now that has turned into being very lazy. Once I got his brain thinking of other things "run" wasn't on his mind.
I actually tried to breeze him on Sunday and to my surprise the fat boy took all I had to get him to stretch out and hustle. We did three 100-150 yard sprints and he walked back flat footed each time. treat them like their a ranch horse and they believe they are a ranch horse.
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The One
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Location: South Georgia | Thank you FlyingJT! This guy is Streakin Six/Corona Cartel and, at least so far on the groundwork and lunging, does not want to volunteer expending extra energy on going fast. He's lazy! I'm hoping his mind stays like that when I mount him. LOL
Edited by horsegirl 2018-04-18 9:40 AM
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Location: SW New Mexico | FlyingJT - 2018-04-18 10:23 AM
horsegirl - 2018-04-17 11:17 AM
Thank you all. That "runaway" mindset is what I'm a little leery of, since I've never worked with an OTT before.
Don't be scared! Remember they have been trained to run, it's what they think they are suppose to do. Once you shift their focus, they'll slow down. I have a Streakin La Jolla son right now that has turned into being very lazy. Once I got his brain thinking of other things "run" wasn't on his mind.
I actually tried to breeze him on Sunday and to my surprise the fat boy took all I had to get him to stretch out and hustle. We did three 100-150 yard sprints and he walked back flat footed each time. treat them like their a ranch horse and they believe they are a ranch horse.
^^This!^^
I did Buck Brannamans long line education..... on my OTTQH... 9 starts 84 SI.
He was still racetrack broke at 6 years old.
Brother Dave is a 2006 Son of Pretty Boy Perry-Mr. Jess Perry by Streakin LaJolla-Elected-Raise Your Glass...Out of a Runaway Winner-Beduino- Dash for Cash mare..
Took my time as he was a reactive hot type with flight in his mind. I've been tols he was a "fire breathing dragon."
Got him out of the arena, and he didn't know what a trail, arroyo, cactus or agaves and yuccas were. (ouch) Always been kept in a box .... on good ground...and he was a AI baby, never treated like a "horse."
I did many many miles on him, and got him super broke by "dinking" and doing obstacles. He's extremely lazy at home , and that's ok, because we all know he can run. I also breezed him, and he surprised me by "coming right back" with his mind. He has a great mind....very kind gentle soul, couldn't help what he was.. an OTTQH.
That said ....he is a great 1 D barrel horse winning the open average at the NMRA Finals last October...as well as 12 buckles and reserve 1- D at the AZ NBHA Finals.
NUMBER ONE THING TO REMEMBER ...
Take....your....time! | |
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Location: SW New Mexico | FlyingJT - 2018-04-18 10:23 AM
horsegirl - 2018-04-17 11:17 AM
Thank you all. That "runaway" mindset is what I'm a little leery of, since I've never worked with an OTT before.
Don't be scared! Remember they have been trained to run, it's what they think they are suppose to do. Once you shift their focus, they'll slow down. I have a Streakin La Jolla son right now that has turned into being very lazy. Once I got his brain thinking of other things "run" wasn't on his mind.
I actually tried to breeze him on Sunday and to my surprise the fat boy took all I had to get him to stretch out and hustle. We did three 100-150 yard sprints and he walked back flat footed each time. treat them like their a ranch horse and they believe they are a ranch horse.
^^This!^^
I did Buck Brannamans long line education..... on my OTTQH... 9 starts 84 SI.
He was still racetrack broke at 6 years old.
Brother Dave is a 2006 Son of Pretty Boy Perry-Mr. Jess Perry by Streakin LaJolla-Elected-Raise Your Glass...Out of a Runaway Winner-Beduino- Dash for Cash mare..
Took my time as he was a reactive hot type with flight in his mind. I've been tols he was a "fire breathing dragon."
Got him out of the arena, and he didn't know what a trail, arroyo, cactus or agaves and yuccas were. (ouch) Always been kept in a box .... on good ground...and he was a AI baby, never treated like a "horse."
I did many many miles on him, and got him super broke by "dinking" and doing obstacles. He's extremely lazy at home , and that's ok, because we all know he can run. I also breezed him, and he surprised me by "coming right back" with his mind. He has a great mind....very kind gentle soul, couldn't help what he was.. an OTTQH.
That said ....he is a great 1 D barrel horse winning the open average at the NMRA Finals last October...as well as 12 buckles and reserve 1- D at the AZ NBHA Finals.
NUMBER ONE THING TO REMEMBER ...
Take....your....time! | |
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...Dot Dot Dot...
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Location: SW New Mexico | FlyingJT - 2018-04-18 10:23 AM
horsegirl - 2018-04-17 11:17 AM
Thank you all. That "runaway" mindset is what I'm a little leery of, since I've never worked with an OTT before.
Don't be scared! Remember they have been trained to run, it's what they think they are suppose to do. Once you shift their focus, they'll slow down. I have a Streakin La Jolla son right now that has turned into being very lazy. Once I got his brain thinking of other things "run" wasn't on his mind.
I actually tried to breeze him on Sunday and to my surprise the fat boy took all I had to get him to stretch out and hustle. We did three 100-150 yard sprints and he walked back flat footed each time. treat them like their a ranch horse and they believe they are a ranch horse.
^^This!^^
I did Buck Brannamans long line education..... on my OTTQH... 9 starts 84 SI.
He was still racetrack broke at 6 years old.
Brother Dave is a 2006 Son of Pretty Boy Perry-Mr. Jess Perry by Streakin LaJolla-Elected-Raise Your Glass...Out of a Runaway Winner-Beduino- Dash for Cash mare..
Took my time as he was a reactive hot type with flight in his mind. I've been tols he was a "fire breathing dragon."
Got him out of the arena, and he didn't know what a trail, arroyo, cactus or agaves and yuccas were. (ouch) Always been kept in a box .... on good ground...and he was a AI baby, never treated like a "horse."
I did many many miles on him, and got him super broke by "dinking" and doing obstacles. He's extremely lazy at home , and that's ok, because we all know he can run. I also breezed him, and he surprised me by "coming right back" with his mind. He has a great mind....very kind gentle soul, couldn't help what he was.. an OTTQH.
That said ....he is a great 1 D barrel horse winning the open average at the NMRA Finals last October...as well as 12 buckles and reserve 1- D at the AZ NBHA Finals.
NUMBER ONE THING TO REMEMBER ...
Take....your....time! | |
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...Dot Dot Dot...
Posts: 2064
Location: SW New Mexico | FlyingJT - 2018-04-18 10:23 AM
horsegirl - 2018-04-17 11:17 AM
Thank you all. That "runaway" mindset is what I'm a little leery of, since I've never worked with an OTT before.
Don't be scared! Remember they have been trained to run, it's what they think they are suppose to do. Once you shift their focus, they'll slow down. I have a Streakin La Jolla son right now that has turned into being very lazy. Once I got his brain thinking of other things "run" wasn't on his mind.
I actually tried to breeze him on Sunday and to my surprise the fat boy took all I had to get him to stretch out and hustle. We did three 100-150 yard sprints and he walked back flat footed each time. treat them like their a ranch horse and they believe they are a ranch horse.
^^This!^^
I did Buck Brannamans long line education..... on my OTTQH... 9 starts 84 SI.
He was still racetrack broke at 6 years old.
Brother Dave is a 2006 Son of Pretty Boy Perry-Mr. Jess Perry by Streakin LaJolla-Elected-Raise Your Glass...Out of a Runaway Winner-Beduino- Dash for Cash mare..
Took my time as he was a reactive hot type with flight in his mind. I've been told he was a "fire breathing dragon."
Got him out of the arena, and he didn't know what a trail, arroyo, cactus or agaves and yuccas were. (ouch) Always been kept in a box .... on good ground...and he was a AI baby, never treated like a "horse."
I did many many trail miles on him, and got him super broke by "dinking" turn arounds, cross overs, all learned on the ground first.... and doing obstacles. He's extremely lazy at home , and that's ok, because we all know he can run. I also breezed him, and he surprised me by "coming right back" with his mind. He has a great mind....very kind gentle soul, couldn't help what he was.. an OTTQH.
That said ....he is a great 1 D barrel horse winning the open average at the NMRA Finals last October...as well as 12 buckles and reserve 1- D at the AZ NBHA Finals.
NUMBER ONE THING TO REMEMBER ...
Take....your....time! | |
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...Dot Dot Dot...
Posts: 2064
Location: SW New Mexico | FlyingJT - 2018-04-18 10:23 AM
horsegirl - 2018-04-17 11:17 AM
Thank you all. That "runaway" mindset is what I'm a little leery of, since I've never worked with an OTT before.
Don't be scared! Remember they have been trained to run, it's what they think they are suppose to do. Once you shift their focus, they'll slow down. I have a Streakin La Jolla son right now that has turned into being very lazy. Once I got his brain thinking of other things "run" wasn't on his mind.
I actually tried to breeze him on Sunday and to my surprise the fat boy took all I had to get him to stretch out and hustle. We did three 100-150 yard sprints and he walked back flat footed each time. treat them like their a ranch horse and they believe they are a ranch horse.
^^This!^^
I did Buck Brannamans long line education..... on my OTTQH... 9 starts 84 SI.
He was still racetrack broke at 6 years old.
Brother Dave is a 2006 Son of Pretty Boy Perry-Mr. Jess Perry by Streakin LaJolla-Elected-Raise Your Glass...Out of a Runaway Winner-Beduino- Dash for Cash mare..
Took my time as he was a reactive hot type with flight in his mind. I've been told he was a "fire breathing dragon."
Got him out of the arena, and he didn't know what a trail, arroyo, cactus or agaves and yuccas were. (ouch) Always been kept in a box .... on good ground...and he was a AI baby, never treated like a "horse."
I did many many trail miles on him, and got him super broke by "dinking" turn arounds, cross overs, all learned on the ground first.... and doing obstacles. He's extremely lazy at home , and that's ok, because we all know he can run. I also breezed him, and he surprised me by "coming right back" with his mind. He has a great mind....very kind gentle soul, couldn't help what he was.. an OTTQH.
That said ....he is a great 1 D barrel horse winning the open average at the NMRA Finals last October...as well as 12 buckles and reserve 1- D at the AZ NBHA Finals.
NUMBER ONE THING TO REMEMBER ...Do lots of ground work....and...most important...
Take....your....time!
Edited by jettster 2018-04-19 8:11 AM
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The One
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Location: South Georgia | I got on him last night for the first time after a lengthy flexing session. He didn't flinch when I mounted. He walked right off as asked. He backed (although did not give to the bit, just stuck his nose to the bit and backed up as asked, which is weird to me still). And it took me major coaxing and clucking to get him to trot. LOL I'm sure he will be more willing today, as each day he has been more and more willing to do whatever we have been working on. I guess I am surprised by how QUIET he is. So, good news, no bolting and no bucking or any silly business. I think I might tie his reins to the side of the cinch when I lunge him today to see if we can get some giving to the bit. That is such an odd feeling to me because all of my horses have always been VERY light in the face. | |
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Defense Attorney for The Horse
Location: Claremore, OK | Instead of concentrating on circles, do squares and diamonds. You’ll have to teach him the basics of moving off your rein and leg first (which is needed anyway).
You may need to put cones or poles out (for the square or diamond) for a point of reference. Make sure you make “corners” and encourage him to stay between the reins. Do squares for a little while, then do diamonds. Make sure you go both directions. You can start at a slow trot and speed up as he progresses.
This exercises really helps one to guide. When he does the squares and diamonds accurately you’ll find he can lope a circle easily. | |
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 Poor Cracker Girl
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Location: Feeding mosquitos, FL | It takes a lot of strength and balance to lope a good, soft, circle. Starting at the walk and trot, I'll do squares then half circles then I'll sneak in to full circles. I find the half circle is a lot less stressful for them when first starting out. | |
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Tips for training an OTT horse to lope circles, please.