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Location: Probably On the Road to the Next Barrel Race! | Some bloodlines and good crosses that have a tendency to be easy to train/train up/pick up quickly... I have a FG x Rare Bar and while he has great potential, this is taking waaaay too long for my taste. I’m soon to buy another 2 yo, and would like to up my odds on getting one that takes to barrels more quickly. I do not futurity my horses, but still want that horse that craves it n wants it. Thanks for your opinions!
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| There are tons. There are also ones who excel under different trainers. What works for one won't work for another, hence the lack of response here IMO. There's no magical formula that says a certain bloodline will be your unicorn. |
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Location: Probably On the Road to the Next Barrel Race! | Tons. Ok. Give me 2 ... two out of tons... just need an idea of something . How about two of YOUR ideal crosses...? I’m open! |
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| I had a DTF x FG who was born with a brain and athleticism. Everything just came so easy to him. I'd show him something once, and consider it learned. He was a natural.
This is not probably on most people's list, but I love the brains of my Magnolia Bar horses.
I am currently starting a Firewater Canyon 2 yo and a Slick by Design and they are both super laid back and smart.
There really are so many great bloodlines out there.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Some of it will also be the age at which they finally mature and grow up, not necessarily that it takes more training. The ones that take early pressure better than others will be your successful futurity horses that have long careers. I've had some that were futurity program flunkouts at 3 because they were immature and not ready to go to work that I waited a while before putting any barrel work on them and then they came on quickly at 5 or 6. An 8 year old ranch horse I had was running in the 3D in 6 weeks, and winning barrel races in 6 months.
Kinda like potty training kids--some will train early, but most of them aren't going to train until 3. You can start at 2 and struggle for a year, or you can wait until they're ready and get it done fast. |
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| Colonel Freckles or Freckles Playboy, they learn quick in my opinion and you better teach them how to do it right the first time! |
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| My Sunfrost/Lone drifter has been exceptionally easy. I think its the sire PC Joes Frost, sunfrost/boon dox john that gets the credit. I have helped break out and/or trained 3 of them and they've all been easy.
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| I can tell you which ones DON’T train quickly. Haha! I have 4 babies out of the same mare (Streakin Six/Moon Lark) and we are on a 10 year plan. |
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Location: Illinois | My 4 year old learns quickly and really enjoys the engagement of being worked. She picks things up fast and has only had maybe 70 rides on her since January 2017 and always picks up where she left off. But she is fragile minded and falls apart if pushed too fast, that's why she's a futurity reject. If you take the pressure off for a minute and let her think the light bulb typically comes on quickly. She's out of Six Moons Bully and her mom is out of Alive N Firen. I'd take more like her, I know several people with Six Moons Bully babies & they're all very pleased |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Fire Water Flit. I have a son of Firewater Finale out of a daughter of Shoot Yeah. He was started as a late 2, barely rode through the winter (I'm in WY). Rode him around the ranch as a 3 yr old and again as a 4. Started him on poles and in 2 weeks he was loping through at a nice pace. He's also started on barrels but we need some dry weather to have a dry arena to do more. |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | I have more exp with cowbred but one that took longer then most was my Packin Sixes filly, the lightbulb just wouldn’t come on and she was very lazy. Uncharacteristic for a streakin six bred horse.
Anything with easy jet close up was easy and athletic for me. The Eddie Stinson filly I rode was a natural also but that’s the only DTF filly I’ve ran.
I’m partial to my cowbred horses, a lot have been super easy and athletic. Especially the cutting bred ones - freckles playboy, peptoboonsmal, dual pep
My docs Solano mare thinks she’s all running bred, she’s taking longer to get the turn and rate right now
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | BigMomma - 2018-04-17 2:56 PM
I can tell you which ones DON’T train quickly. Haha! I have 4 babies out of the same mare (Streakin Six/Moon Lark) and we are on a 10 year plan.
I was going through my list of hard ones too and a couple streakin six were on there, especially my packin sixes filly |
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Location: United States | Cow-bred horses. If you want to invest in a horse that starts clocking right away, look for a cutting horse that was prepped or shown in futurities and doesn't have much of a career left in the cow horse pen. They take to barrels like fish to water, but one should know how to use their legs and seat when patterning and seasoning these types of horses, they are quick and not for the faint of heart. |
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Location: Wyoming | Take a look at the juvenile entries and those will tell you which ones pick it up quicker. Of course it also depends on the trainer. |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | pippy - 2018-04-19 9:39 AM
Cow-bred horses. If you want to invest in a horse that starts clocking right away, look for a cutting horse that was prepped or shown in futurities and doesn't have much of a career left in the cow horse pen. They take to barrels like fish to water, but one should know how to use their legs and seat when patterning and seasoning these types of horses, they are quick and not for the faint of heart.
This! Many people turn their heads because they’re smaller, and I’ve find the smaller catty ones are harder to ride but oh so worth it in the end! |
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Location: Probably On the Road to the Next Barrel Race! | outstanding advice, thank you |
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Location: Dubach, LA | RnRJack - 2018-04-19 5:13 PM
pippy - 2018-04-19 9:39 AM
Cow-bred horses. If you want to invest in a horse that starts clocking right away, look for a cutting horse that was prepped or shown in futurities and doesn't have much of a career left in the cow horse pen. They take to barrels like fish to water, but one should know how to use their legs and seat when patterning and seasoning these types of horses, they are quick and not for the faint of heart.
This! Many people turn their heads because they’re smaller, and I’ve find the smaller catty ones are harder to ride but oh so worth it in the end!
But you are probably looking at a good deal of rear end injections and a fairly short career because they start them so young, the horses are small boned, and they are loped miles of circles daily. |
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Location: Dubach, LA | I had a FWF grandson who just knew how to run and turn but was unsound for barrels because of an injury. |
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| CanCan - 2018-04-19 6:28 PM
RnRJack - 2018-04-19 5:13 PM
pippy - 2018-04-19 9:39 AM
Cow-bred horses. If you want to invest in a horse that starts clocking right away, look for a cutting horse that was prepped or shown in futurities and doesn't have much of a career left in the cow horse pen. They take to barrels like fish to water, but one should know how to use their legs and seat when patterning and seasoning these types of horses, they are quick and not for the faint of heart.
This! Many people turn their heads because they’re smaller, and I’ve find the smaller catty ones are harder to ride but oh so worth it in the end!
But you are probably looking at a good deal of rear end injections and a fairly short career because they start them so young, the horses are small boned, and they are loped miles of circles daily.
Yes and no. If you find one that is a drop out before their futurity year, then they've only got about a years worth of cow horse boot camp so they're not worn down like a finished show horse would be. Also there's a lot more size/bone coming out of the trendy cow horse breeding than there was years ago. I've got a 4 yr old who's all cow bred and she's 15.1hh with a lot of bone and substance. |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | rpreast - 2018-04-20 9:51 AM
CanCan - 2018-04-19 6:28 PM
RnRJack - 2018-04-19 5:13 PM
pippy - 2018-04-19 9:39 AM
Cow-bred horses. If you want to invest in a horse that starts clocking right away, look for a cutting horse that was prepped or shown in futurities and doesn't have much of a career left in the cow horse pen. They take to barrels like fish to water, but one should know how to use their legs and seat when patterning and seasoning these types of horses, they are quick and not for the faint of heart.
This! Many people turn their heads because they’re smaller, and I’ve find the smaller catty ones are harder to ride but oh so worth it in the end!
But you are probably looking at a good deal of rear end injections and a fairly short career because they start them so young, the horses are small boned, and they are loped miles of circles daily.
Yes and no. If you find one that is a drop out before their futurity year, then they've only got about a years worth of cow horse boot camp so they're not worn down like a finished show horse would be. Also there's a lot more size/bone coming out of the trendy cow horse breeding than there was years ago. I've got a 4 yr old who's all cow bred and she's 15.1hh with a lot of bone and substance.
Since I’ve ridden a bunch I know which bloodlines work the best on barrels (usually- or that I like) and I buy them as colts before they’re started. The best ones I’ve had are the ones that have dayworked a few years first.
My peotoboonsmal and dual peps were bigger boned, the older doc bars were also bigger
My mare I’m running now docs Solano, bob acre doc and peppy San badger mare is smaller boned then I would like but she has great feet and is super super athletic. |
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| RnRJack - 2018-04-20 10:18 AM
rpreast - 2018-04-20 9:51 AM
CanCan - 2018-04-19 6:28 PM
RnRJack - 2018-04-19 5:13 PM
pippy - 2018-04-19 9:39 AM
Cow-bred horses. If you want to invest in a horse that starts clocking right away, look for a cutting horse that was prepped or shown in futurities and doesn't have much of a career left in the cow horse pen. They take to barrels like fish to water, but one should know how to use their legs and seat when patterning and seasoning these types of horses, they are quick and not for the faint of heart.
This! Many people turn their heads because they’re smaller, and I’ve find the smaller catty ones are harder to ride but oh so worth it in the end!
But you are probably looking at a good deal of rear end injections and a fairly short career because they start them so young, the horses are small boned, and they are loped miles of circles daily.
Yes and no. If you find one that is a drop out before their futurity year, then they've only got about a years worth of cow horse boot camp so they're not worn down like a finished show horse would be. Also there's a lot more size/bone coming out of the trendy cow horse breeding than there was years ago. I've got a 4 yr old who's all cow bred and she's 15.1hh with a lot of bone and substance.
Since I’ve ridden a bunch I know which bloodlines work the best on barrels (usually- or that I like ) and I buy them as colts before they’re started. The best ones I’ve had are the ones that have dayworked a few years first.
My peotoboonsmal and dual peps were bigger boned, the older doc bars were also bigger
My mare I’m running now docs Solano, bob acre doc and peppy San badger mare is smaller boned then I would like but she has great feet and is super super athletic.
I would also agree with this. I grew up riding a stud and his babies who was a cutter "reject" and he ran sound into his 20s and most of his babies did too. They were natural athletes. He was a Docs Prescription and Poco Bueno Bred horse. He crossed really well on anything from other cutters to OTTB.
They are naturally athletic but most of them had a bit of "tude." It wasn't anything horrible but they could be a little ornery, I think that's what made them so great though. |
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| CanCan - 2018-04-19 7:28 PM
RnRJack - 2018-04-19 5:13 PM
pippy - 2018-04-19 9:39 AM
Cow-bred horses. If you want to invest in a horse that starts clocking right away, look for a cutting horse that was prepped or shown in futurities and doesn't have much of a career left in the cow horse pen. They take to barrels like fish to water, but one should know how to use their legs and seat when patterning and seasoning these types of horses, they are quick and not for the faint of heart.
This! Many people turn their heads because they’re smaller, and I’ve find the smaller catty ones are harder to ride but oh so worth it in the end!
But you are probably looking at a good deal of rear end injections and a fairly short career because they start them so young, the horses are small boned, and they are loped miles of circles daily.
I guess you'd have passed on Fat Louie too since he was a cow horse pushed for futuries? Yes, I know he was shown in NRCHA not cutting but every discipline starts them early. Race, barrels, etc....Just because something was worked hard before it was 5 doesn't mean its a lameness case. It isn't about how early they were started it is about how well they are maintained and handled.
We have very few Iron horses these days but I feel like that's because we are just better at noticing, detecting, and listening to know when one is hurting. Old days it was just get a bigger bit or turn them out. Most futurity ppl don't even tune at shows anymore. The game has changed.
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | runfastturnsmooth - 2018-04-20 1:26 PM
CanCan - 2018-04-19 7:28 PM
RnRJack - 2018-04-19 5:13 PM
pippy - 2018-04-19 9:39 AM
Cow-bred horses. If you want to invest in a horse that starts clocking right away, look for a cutting horse that was prepped or shown in futurities and doesn't have much of a career left in the cow horse pen. They take to barrels like fish to water, but one should know how to use their legs and seat when patterning and seasoning these types of horses, they are quick and not for the faint of heart.
This! Many people turn their heads because they’re smaller, and I’ve find the smaller catty ones are harder to ride but oh so worth it in the end!
But you are probably looking at a good deal of rear end injections and a fairly short career because they start them so young, the horses are small boned, and they are loped miles of circles daily.
I guess you'd have passed on Fat Louie too since he was a cow horse pushed for futuries? Yes, I know he was shown in NRCHA not cutting but every discipline starts them early. Race, barrels, etc....Just because something was worked hard before it was 5 doesn't mean its a lameness case. It isn't about how early they were started it is about how well they are maintained and handled.
We have very few Iron horses these days but I feel like that's because we are just better at noticing, detecting, and listening to know when one is hurting. Old days it was just get a bigger bit or turn them out. Most futurity ppl don't even tune at shows anymore. The game has changed.
I’d rather have a cutting reject rather then an overbred barrel prospect anyday! I feel like people are breeding the big names more now then looking for ones with good bone, feet, and brains. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Frenchmans Fabulous. Only delt with 2 but man both are super nice!! Both out of completely different mares and both took to the pattern like a duck to water. Everything came easy from the first saddling on and you could give them a couple month break and they would ride off and work like they were rode yesterday. Super nice horses. |
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| If you like the horse, I will give you two suggestions. Either be patienr and let the horse come along at its own speed or if is worth investing in send it to a trainer who is honest and keep you informed about the ability and progress of the horse.
I sent a horse to a trainer and she was futuritied her four year old. She did very well but really did not mature until she was five. She was a completely different horse. She won three world championships last year(one AQHA) and now is running right with the NFR girls at pro rodeos. If we had given up on her as a four year old, we would have given up on an extremely talented horse. I do have enough sense to know that without her trainer she would be just another pretty nice 1D horse. Her sister is the exact same way--late bloomer.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | streakysox - 2018-04-22 10:56 AM If you like the horse, I will give you two suggestions. Either be patienr and let the horse come along at its own speed or if is worth investing in send it to a trainer who is honest and keep you informed about the ability and progress of the horse. I sent a horse to a trainer and she was futuritied her four year old. She did very well but really did not mature until she was five. She was a completely different horse. She won three world championships last year(one AQHA) and now is running right with the NFR girls at pro rodeos. If we had given up on her as a four year old, we would have given up on an extremely talented horse. I do have enough sense to know that without her trainer she would be just another pretty nice 1D horse. Her sister is the exact same way--late bloomer. Since your saying this horse is keeping up with the pro horses, is your trainer running Pro on this horse? If so how is she doing against/placing with the pro horses and what Pro horses is she running against, just curious since we have heard so much about this horse for you. 
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Location: Aubrey, Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2018-04-17 1:25 PM
Kinda like potty training kids--some will train early, but most of them aren't going to train until 3. You can start at 2 and struggle for a year, or you can wait until they're ready and get it done fast.
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Location: bring on the heat, NV | Thats tricky im not much for the barrel side of things but heres a few things to think about to in narrowing your search...
What do you like 4wd? Hotter or steady eddy? Sensitive or laid back? Free runner or ratey? Where are you at competition wise local 4D? Filling a permit? Jackpots? Rodeos? Gymkhanas? what frame do you prefer? Light and narrow, fast, heavy, or somewhere in between? Long strided horses?
What kind of pens do you typically run in?? Smaller pen id think you what something quicker. large pen youll need fast and some stamina?? A horse can be quick but not fast just a thought ;) or vice versa.
Im usually after something in the middle about 15H balanced, quick but still some speed, good SMART thinking mind, nothing to "needy" that annoys me LOL but something that has kid potential for JR rodeo later down the line. I like horses with older ranchy stuff esp on the bottom and i really like that crossed on somthing money earning on top. I have two hollywood dunit grand gets that I adore and a miss n cash grand daughter that i really like. I had a PG Dry Fire and wished id have kept her out of a more older school breeding mare. Seems like the driftwoods mature a little later but they are tough tough athletic and gentle for the most part depends on how they are raised too. Why not try a 5/6 yo that's going already?
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| Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-22 12:13 PM
streakysox - 2018-04-22 10:56 AM If you like the horse, I will give you two suggestions. Either be patienr and let the horse come along at its own speed or if is worth investing in send it to a trainer who is honest and keep you informed about the ability and progress of the horse. I sent a horse to a trainer and she was futuritied her four year old. She did very well but really did not mature until she was five. She was a completely different horse. She won three world championships last year(one AQHA) and now is running right with the NFR girls at pro rodeos. If we had given up on her as a four year old, we would have given up on an extremely talented horse. I do have enough sense to know that without her trainer she would be just another pretty nice 1D horse. Her sister is the exact same way--late bloomer. Since your saying this horse is keeping up with the pro horses, is your trainer running Pro on this horse? If so how is she doing against/placing with the pro horses and what Pro horses is she running against, just curious since we have heard so much about this horse for you.
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Location: Montana | moapajetrider - 2018-04-22 10:24 PM Thats tricky im not much for the barrel side of things but heres a few things to think about to in narrowing your search...
What do you like 4wd? Hotter or steady eddy? Sensitive or laid back? Free runner or ratey? Where are you at competition wise local 4D? Filling a permit? Jackpots? Rodeos? Gymkhanas? what frame do you prefer? Light and narrow, fast, heavy, or somewhere in between? Long strided horses?
What kind of pens do you typically run in?? Smaller pen id think you what something quicker. large pen youll need fast and some stamina?? A horse can be quick but not fast just a thought ;) or vice versa.
Im usually after something in the middle about 15H balanced, quick but still some speed, good SMART thinking mind, nothing to "needy" that annoys me LOL but something that has kid potential for JR rodeo later down the line. I like horses with older ranchy stuff esp on the bottom and i really like that crossed on somthing money earning on top. I have two hollywood dunit grand gets that I adore and a miss n cash grand daughter that i really like. I had a PG Dry Fire and wished id have kept her out of a more older school breeding mare. Seems like the driftwoods mature a little later but they are tough tough athletic and gentle for the most part depends on how they are raised too. Why not try a 5/6 yo that's going already?
I have a Playgun/Easy Jet bred gelding (not PG Dry Fire) but I LOVE him! He remembers, he's smart, he's quick, he's catty, he's smooth, he's got the speed, and I can jump on him bareback after not having ridden him for a month. He will make a good horse, and the trainer he's with thinks he will too. This horse has the moves and the personality and the build, I'm so excited to get him back from barrel training! |
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Which bloodlines/crosses train up quickly??