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Location: Idaho | Whats yalls opinions on purchasing a grade mare? The mare is out of registered stock but owner just never took the time to do paperwork. I know who she is by and out of....i would be purchasing her with the possibility of resale. She isn't going to make an NFR horse lol but a good solid 2d horse.  | |
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Location: OH | The purchasing of a horse is the cheap part of the process ----get something with papers, you will do better in the long run. Sure, there is always gonna be that diamond in the rough and everyone will have their Grade Horse success stories, but papers matter when selling. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | For myself yes I would buy grade if they are what I want but planning to keep for me, but for resale no, papers talk...  | |
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Location: South Georgia | I thought I had nothing to lose when I purchased a grade mare for a cheap price. I figured if I could sell her for $3,000 or $3500, then I'd be perfectly fine since I paid about half that to buy her. All was good and well until she become constantly lame. After pouring $5,000 in vet bills over one year, I ended up with an unregistered, unsound mare nobody wanted. My only option was to donate her to a breeding center as a recip mare. (See my 6 page post on here)
DO NOT DO IT.
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Location: Somewhere around here | I guess it depends. My first horse was an older unregistered mare and we never planning on breeding her, same with our next unregistered mare; we just rode them. To me I guess it just depends as what your eventually selling her as. I can see a lot of parents looking for a kids horse and not caring if the mare is registered or not. Same with trail riding people, they won't care.
Personally, I'd be tempted to if I liked the mare but wouldn't because of breeding reasons; but I guess it just depends on the mare. I'm a sucker for gutsy mares. | |
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Location: Oklahoma | I would never purchase a grade horse. I don't care how good they get, they won't bring as much money as a registered horse of the same caliber. | |
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Location: OH | cecollins0811 - 2018-04-18 12:45 PM I guess it depends. My first horse was an older unregistered mare and we never planning on breeding her, same with our next unregistered mare; we just rode them. To me I guess it just depends as what your eventually selling her as. I can see a lot of parents looking for a kids horse and not caring if the mare is registered or not. Same with trail riding people, they won't care. Personally, I'd be tempted to if I liked the mare but wouldn't because of breeding reasons; but I guess it just depends on the mare. I'm a sucker for gutsy mares.
Valid point on the kid market thing, bomb proof is all that matters and there is a market for them. | |
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Location: TN | It don't recommend it, especially for a mare. Resale value is definitely decreased for grade geldings, but it is even worse for grade mares. If it's something for you to keep then go for it, but if you have any thought of possibly reselling don't do it. | |
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Location: on my horse | keep'nup - 2018-04-18 9:37 AM
Whats yalls opinions on purchasing a grade mare? The mare is out of registered stock but owner just never took the time to do paperwork. I know who she is by and out of....i would be purchasing her with the possibility of resale. She isn't going to make an NFR horse lol but a good solid 2d horse.
If she's running 2D times and you like her why not. She's already proven herself, horses are expensive no matter which way you turn it. I have a beautifully bred registered AQHA mare that is talented.... and has Navicular. Crap shoot either way lol. | |
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| I don't have any problem with grade horses, but they just don't carry the same value as registered horses. I have 3 grade horses in my barn right now. We never would have been able to afford the gelding had he been papered, because his dam died before she was DNA typed. So it worked out for us as buyers! The others are mares, a kid horse and an outside horse in for training. The problem with the outside horse is that the owners are going to have so much expense in training and feed/care, that they would be losing money if they decided to sell. | |
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Location: Deep South | dianeguinn - 2018-04-18 11:49 AM
I would never purchase a grade horse. I don't care how good they get, they won't bring as much money as a registered horse of the same caliber.
Yep.
Purchasing the horse is the least expensive part of the process. Takes the same amount of money to feed/maintain one, takes the same amount of blood sweat/sweat/tears (time) to train one. I wouldn't want to start off knowing my efforts aren't going to bring as much money as if I had just bought a prospect with papers. | |
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Location: OH | BamaCanChaser - 2018-04-18 1:27 PM dianeguinn - 2018-04-18 11:49 AM I would never purchase a grade horse. I don't care how good they get, they won't bring as much money as a registered horse of the same caliber. Yep. Purchasing the horse is the least expensive part of the process. Takes the same amount of money to feed/maintain one, takes the same amount of blood sweat/sweat/tears (time ) to train one. I wouldn't want to start off knowing my efforts aren't going to bring as much money as if I had just bought a prospect with papers.
That is what I was trying to say---you just said it MUCH BETTER. LOL | |
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Location: South Georgia | redmansmyman11 - 2018-04-18 1:06 PM keep'nup - 2018-04-18 9:37 AM Whats yalls opinions on purchasing a grade mare? The mare is out of registered stock but owner just never took the time to do paperwork. I know who she is by and out of....i would be purchasing her with the possibility of resale. She isn't going to make an NFR horse lol but a good solid 2d horse. If she's running 2D times and you like her why not. She's already proven herself, horses are expensive no matter which way you turn it. I have a beautifully bred registered AQHA mare that is talented.... and has Navicular. Crap shoot either way lol.
But its when that 2D grade mare gets navicular (or something else) and cannot be managed that you end up screwed. | |
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| horsegirl - 2018-04-18 11:17 AM
I thought I had nothing to lose when I purchased a grade mare for a cheap price. I figured if I could sell her for $3,000 or $3500, then I'd be perfectly fine since I paid about half that to buy her. All was good and well until she become constantly lame. After pouring $5,000 in vet bills over one year, I ended up with an unregistered, unsound mare nobody wanted. My only option was to donate her to a breeding center as a recip mare. (See my 6 page post on here)
DO NOT DO IT.
I remember your post and I am still very sorry for your situation. However, is it really any different than a gelding?
Here is my deal, I generally buy to keep and so if the price is right, the horse fits my style then I say go for it. Obviously I prefer papers in case something were to happen... but it can happen with a papered gelding. I have ridden a lot of grade horses in my life, all competitive and all worth their weight in gold. Sure, IF they went for sale, they sold much cheaper but if the horse is proven, papers are a lot less valuable. The whole point of papers is generally to set yourself up with the best recipe for a nice barrel horse. If they're already a nice one... then nothing to prove.
Now if you plan on buying to sell and make money then I wouldn't... | |
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Location: South Georgia | stayceem - 2018-04-18 3:21 PM horsegirl - 2018-04-18 11:17 AM I thought I had nothing to lose when I purchased a grade mare for a cheap price. I figured if I could sell her for $3,000 or $3500, then I'd be perfectly fine since I paid about half that to buy her. All was good and well until she become constantly lame. After pouring $5,000 in vet bills over one year, I ended up with an unregistered, unsound mare nobody wanted. My only option was to donate her to a breeding center as a recip mare. (See my 6 page post on here)
DO NOT DO IT.
I remember your post and I am still very sorry for your situation. However, is it really any different than a gelding? Here is my deal, I generally buy to keep and so if the price is right, the horse fits my style then I say go for it. Obviously I prefer papers in case something were to happen... but it can happen with a papered gelding. I have ridden a lot of grade horses in my life, all competitive and all worth their weight in gold. Sure, IF they went for sale, they sold much cheaper but if the horse is proven, papers are a lot less valuable. The whole point of papers is generally to set yourself up with the best recipe for a nice barrel horse. If they're already a nice one... then nothing to prove. Now if you plan on buying to sell and make money then I wouldn't...
No, it is really no different with geldings, but with a mare there is always a sense of safety. If the mare is unsound, she can still be a broodmare. There is a bit more protection with a lame mare than there is a lame gelding. But, if the mare is grade, that protection that is often taken for granted and assumed is thrown out the window. | |
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stayceem - 2018-04-18 3:21 PM horsegirl - 2018-04-18 11:17 AM I thought I had nothing to lose when I purchased a grade mare for a cheap price. I figured if I could sell her for $3,000 or $3500, then I'd be perfectly fine since I paid about half that to buy her. All was good and well until she become constantly lame. After pouring $5,000 in vet bills over one year, I ended up with an unregistered, unsound mare nobody wanted. My only option was to donate her to a breeding center as a recip mare. (See my 6 page post on here)
DO NOT DO IT.
I remember your post and I am still very sorry for your situation. However, is it really any different than a gelding? Here is my deal, I generally buy to keep and so if the price is right, the horse fits my style then I say go for it. Obviously I prefer papers in case something were to happen... but it can happen with a papered gelding. I have ridden a lot of grade horses in my life, all competitive and all worth their weight in gold. Sure, IF they went for sale, they sold much cheaper but if the horse is proven, papers are a lot less valuable. The whole point of papers is generally to set yourself up with the best recipe for a nice barrel horse. If they're already a nice one... then nothing to prove. Now if you plan on buying to sell and make money then I wouldn't...
But are all thoes mares fall into the safety net of simply having a registered uterus worth breeding?
I get what everybody says, you can always breed, but it a grade broke horse fits your wants and needs I would not hesitate to purchase, accidents can happen she could get crippled but Im just not one to just breed because I can't ride, so I do not even consider that. Just because they are registered does not instantly equal value as a brood mare.
And I have a yard full of old unsound retired horses what's one more (I get im lucky to have that and not everybody does) | |
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Location: N Texas | della - 2018-04-18 2:46 PM
horsegirl - 2018-04-18 1:39 PM
stayceem - 2018-04-18 3:21 PM horsegirl - 2018-04-18 11:17 AM I thought I had nothing to lose when I purchased a grade mare for a cheap price. I figured if I could sell her for $3,000 or $3500, then I'd be perfectly fine since I paid about half that to buy her. All was good and well until she become constantly lame. After pouring $5,000 in vet bills over one year, I ended up with an unregistered, unsound mare nobody wanted. My only option was to donate her to a breeding center as a recip mare. (See my 6 page post on here)
DO NOT DO IT.
I remember your post and I am still very sorry for your situation. However, is it really any different than a gelding? Here is my deal, I generally buy to keep and so if the price is right, the horse fits my style then I say go for it. Obviously I prefer papers in case something were to happen... but it can happen with a papered gelding. I have ridden a lot of grade horses in my life, all competitive and all worth their weight in gold. Sure, IF they went for sale, they sold much cheaper but if the horse is proven, papers are a lot less valuable. The whole point of papers is generally to set yourself up with the best recipe for a nice barrel horse. If they're already a nice one... then nothing to prove. Now if you plan on buying to sell and make money then I wouldn't...
But are all thoes mares fall into the safety net of simply having a registered uterus worth breeding?
I get what everybody says, you can always breed, but it a grade broke horse fits your wants and needs I would not hesitate to purchase, accidents can happen she could get crippled but Im just not one to just breed because I can't ride, so I do not even consider that. Just because they are registered does not instantly equal value as a brood mare.
And I have a yard full of old unsound retired horses what's one more (I get im lucky to have that and not everybody does )
I agree with you. Everyone says "well if she goes lame, just breed her!" WHY?? There are already so many horses out there, that unless the mare is stellar on her own, breeding her just because you can is irresponsible. What if the cause of her lameness is hereditary?
I saw an ad on FB the other day for a mare that was batsh!t crazy and people were telling the owner to breed her because it might calm her down. In reality, it'll probably just bring another batsh!t crazy horse into the world that someone will have to deal with. | |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | I ran a super nice grade mare I bought cheap and put miles on her, seasoned her she finished in 2/3D in Florida tough competition but I only sold her for $5500 because she was grade. The people who bought her really wanted a papered mare but she was worth it because she ran so nice and was honest. I guess if you’re not breeding them or re selling then what does it matter | |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | 1DSoon - 2018-04-18 11:55 AM
I love grade horses.
You can't ride papers
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| RnRJack - 2018-04-18 9:17 PM
1DSoon - 2018-04-18 11:55 AM
I love grade horses.
You can't ride papers
No but you sure can sell or breed them
Problem is cant prove age, too many crooked people out there, even buying a registered sorrel horse can be sketchy if the papers are actually the papers of said horse
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Location: United States | I would not buy a grade mare. I passed on one I REALLY REALLY liked and it was hard to walk away from her. If the grade mare doesn't work out for you, whats the exit plan with a grade mare on top of the financial loss, plus your time and emotion involved. Then, someone else may buy and breed the grade mare because she has ovaries to produce another grade horse. Grade mares should be spayed like cutting a grade colt. This is just my strong opinion that some may not agree with and that is okay! | |
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| I have bought grade horses, roping and barrel racing, and will again if I find one I really like. I have prepurchase exams done on them, just like a papered horse, and use a vet that can age one. It's not foolproof, but nothing is really. I don't buy to resell and am not interested in breeding so that makes it easier I think to not mind buying a grade horse. I have seen some really nice papered horses beaten by a grade horse. Not often, but have seen it done multiple times through the years and in stiff Texas competition. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | If I were horse shopping and found a grade horse that fits what I'm looking for I'll buy it in a heart beat if the price is right.. I rather buy grade that is built correct and good mine over a dink of a register horse thats blowed with a pea brain and legs coming out of the same hole. If I question the age on a grade I would have my vet age it for me.. I dont sell I keep for life so really papers dont mean much to me and its a bonus if planning on reselling later down the road, to me a horse is a horse and I have seen better grade horse's then register in my life time, a papered horse just sell's better and for more money if bred discent. | |
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Location: NE Texas | 1DSoon - 2018-04-18 11:55 AM
I love grade horses.
You can't ride papers
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | 1DSoon - 2018-04-18 12:55 PM I love grade horses.
You can't ride papers
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | horsegirl - 2018-04-18 2:39 PM stayceem - 2018-04-18 3:21 PM horsegirl - 2018-04-18 11:17 AM I thought I had nothing to lose when I purchased a grade mare for a cheap price. I figured if I could sell her for $3,000 or $3500, then I'd be perfectly fine since I paid about half that to buy her. All was good and well until she become constantly lame. After pouring $5,000 in vet bills over one year, I ended up with an unregistered, unsound mare nobody wanted. My only option was to donate her to a breeding center as a recip mare. (See my 6 page post on here)
DO NOT DO IT.
I remember your post and I am still very sorry for your situation. However, is it really any different than a gelding? Here is my deal, I generally buy to keep and so if the price is right, the horse fits my style then I say go for it. Obviously I prefer papers in case something were to happen... but it can happen with a papered gelding. I have ridden a lot of grade horses in my life, all competitive and all worth their weight in gold. Sure, IF they went for sale, they sold much cheaper but if the horse is proven, papers are a lot less valuable. The whole point of papers is generally to set yourself up with the best recipe for a nice barrel horse. If they're already a nice one... then nothing to prove. Now if you plan on buying to sell and make money then I wouldn't...
Not true... I had a really Nicely bred papered young mare that is now 6ft in the ground cause freak shiz happens... I agree with it being a crap shoot either way... If I like a horse I like a horse, papered or not papered... For the paper lovers, they will only look to buy on those... I would buy on performance long before pedigree these days, or knowing I like what I like and what's on my horses papers currently no one would probably think much of anyway... other then me and a few that are getting to know the lines  | |
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| cindyt - 2018-04-19 11:57 AM
horsegirl - 2018-04-18 2:39 PM stayceem - 2018-04-18 3:21 PM horsegirl - 2018-04-18 11:17 AM I thought I had nothing to lose when I purchased a grade mare for a cheap price. I figured if I could sell her for $3,000 or $3500, then I'd be perfectly fine since I paid about half that to buy her. All was good and well until she become constantly lame. After pouring $5,000 in vet bills over one year, I ended up with an unregistered, unsound mare nobody wanted. My only option was to donate her to a breeding center as a recip mare. (See my 6 page post on here)
DO NOT DO IT.
I remember your post and I am still very sorry for your situation. However, is it really any different than a gelding? Here is my deal, I generally buy to keep and so if the price is right, the horse fits my style then I say go for it. Obviously I prefer papers in case something were to happen... but it can happen with a papered gelding. I have ridden a lot of grade horses in my life, all competitive and all worth their weight in gold. Sure, IF they went for sale, they sold much cheaper but if the horse is proven, papers are a lot less valuable. The whole point of papers is generally to set yourself up with the best recipe for a nice barrel horse. If they're already a nice one... then nothing to prove. Now if you plan on buying to sell and make money then I wouldn't...
And I am not understanding the financial loss??
A few horses I have known or helped sell.
Black grade gelding - bought for $3000 finished and sold for $3500 (no loss) - he was a 3d/4d horse, great playday horse. Super safe, awesome pole horse.
Appy Grade Gelding - bought for $2500 and sold for $5000 - he was a somewhat hauled and got finished/mosre consistent. 2d/3d horse.
Sorrel Grade Mare - Paid $2500 and she is old now, but offers have been well over double for her.
Buckskin Grade Gelding - Paid 7k finished rodeo horse and sold for $9500. 1d/2d horse, all-around ability.
Bay Grade Mare - she was born and raised (issue with Dam's papers) but sold for $35,000. 1d mare, rodeo money earner, etc.
I don't understand the money loss??? If you don't pay too much for it, I don't think I can recall someone not selling it for what they paid or more?? | |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | Most of the time I put more into them then what I make, I also board mine so take into consideration that cost as well, I have come up over cost a few times but not by much. I buy and sell because I like doing it, I like watching people run what I put my hard work into, it’s self gratifying For me. One of the best mares I had was grade, although I knew the sire he wasn’t proven for anything anyway. She is a 2D youth horse now and I love watching her and her little girl.
I would buy a grade gelding but would be pickier for a mare because I have a tendency to flip them. If it was a nice enough mare and the right price I’d still buy probably knowing I won’t get much for her.
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | Two nicest grade horses I’ve sold:
Red mare, ended up 2D/3D with me 1D locally sold for $5500
https://youtu.be/iB822KQ8Rq8
https://youtu.be/Yt4Znae2aqU
And then this guy I sold super cheap I know it was under 4K, he’s cash for cash, rocket wrangler but they didn’t register dam
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | 1DSoon - 2018-04-18 11:55 AM I love grade horses.
You can't ride papers
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | stayceem - 2018-04-19 1:28 PM cindyt - 2018-04-19 11:57 AM horsegirl - 2018-04-18 2:39 PM stayceem - 2018-04-18 3:21 PM horsegirl - 2018-04-18 11:17 AM I thought I had nothing to lose when I purchased a grade mare for a cheap price. I figured if I could sell her for $3,000 or $3500, then I'd be perfectly fine since I paid about half that to buy her. All was good and well until she become constantly lame. After pouring $5,000 in vet bills over one year, I ended up with an unregistered, unsound mare nobody wanted. My only option was to donate her to a breeding center as a recip mare. (See my 6 page post on here)
DO NOT DO IT.
I remember your post and I am still very sorry for your situation. However, is it really any different than a gelding? Here is my deal, I generally buy to keep and so if the price is right, the horse fits my style then I say go for it. Obviously I prefer papers in case something were to happen... but it can happen with a papered gelding. I have ridden a lot of grade horses in my life, all competitive and all worth their weight in gold. Sure, IF they went for sale, they sold much cheaper but if the horse is proven, papers are a lot less valuable. The whole point of papers is generally to set yourself up with the best recipe for a nice barrel horse. If they're already a nice one... then nothing to prove. Now if you plan on buying to sell and make money then I wouldn't... And I am not understanding the financial loss?? A few horses I have known or helped sell. Black grade gelding - bought for $3000 finished and sold for $3500 (no loss ) - he was a 3d/4d horse, great playday horse. Super safe, awesome pole horse. Appy Grade Gelding - bought for $2500 and sold for $5000 - he was a somewhat hauled and got finished/mosre consistent. 2d/3d horse. Sorrel Grade Mare - Paid $2500 and she is old now, but offers have been well over double for her. Buckskin Grade Gelding - Paid 7k finished rodeo horse and sold for $9500. 1d/2d horse, all-around ability. Bay Grade Mare - she was born and raised (issue with Dam's papers ) but sold for $35,000. 1d mare, rodeo money earner, etc. I don't understand the money loss??? If you don't pay too much for it, I don't think I can recall someone not selling it for what they paid or more??
I never said what I had in her... which was plenty... for me...but she was worth every penny...
I lost the most money on a papered out his azz to run dink back in the 90s... learned my lesson on him...
Horses are my hobby, not my business... never have been... so I buy what I like and don't care what anyone thinks of them.... But my grade horses from the past... Never lost a dime on um.. not one cent... They usually sold for at least 3 times if not more then I ever had in them... wouldn't trade any of those experiences for nothin... So you and I have done alright ;) we aint rich but we have had a good go :)
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | 3canstorun - 2018-04-19 10:52 AM 1DSoon - 2018-04-18 12:55 PM I love grade horses.
You can't ride papers
Yes you can - he is now a Pink Buckle Stallion -
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | cindyt - 2018-04-19 2:16 PM stayceem - 2018-04-19 1:28 PM cindyt - 2018-04-19 11:57 AM horsegirl - 2018-04-18 2:39 PM stayceem - 2018-04-18 3:21 PM horsegirl - 2018-04-18 11:17 AM I thought I had nothing to lose when I purchased a grade mare for a cheap price. I figured if I could sell her for $3,000 or $3500, then I'd be perfectly fine since I paid about half that to buy her. All was good and well until she become constantly lame. After pouring $5,000 in vet bills over one year, I ended up with an unregistered, unsound mare nobody wanted. My only option was to donate her to a breeding center as a recip mare. (See my 6 page post on here)
DO NOT DO IT.
I remember your post and I am still very sorry for your situation. However, is it really any different than a gelding? Here is my deal, I generally buy to keep and so if the price is right, the horse fits my style then I say go for it. Obviously I prefer papers in case something were to happen... but it can happen with a papered gelding. I have ridden a lot of grade horses in my life, all competitive and all worth their weight in gold. Sure, IF they went for sale, they sold much cheaper but if the horse is proven, papers are a lot less valuable. The whole point of papers is generally to set yourself up with the best recipe for a nice barrel horse. If they're already a nice one... then nothing to prove. Now if you plan on buying to sell and make money then I wouldn't... And I am not understanding the financial loss?? A few horses I have known or helped sell. Black grade gelding - bought for $3000 finished and sold for $3500 (no loss ) - he was a 3d/4d horse, great playday horse. Super safe, awesome pole horse. Appy Grade Gelding - bought for $2500 and sold for $5000 - he was a somewhat hauled and got finished/mosre consistent. 2d/3d horse. Sorrel Grade Mare - Paid $2500 and she is old now, but offers have been well over double for her. Buckskin Grade Gelding - Paid 7k finished rodeo horse and sold for $9500. 1d/2d horse, all-around ability. Bay Grade Mare - she was born and raised (issue with Dam's papers ) but sold for $35,000. 1d mare, rodeo money earner, etc. I don't understand the money loss??? If you don't pay too much for it, I don't think I can recall someone not selling it for what they paid or more??
I lost the most money on a papered out his azz to run dink back in the 90s... learned my lesson on him...
Horses are my hobby, not my business... never have been... so I buy what I like and don't care what anyone thinks of them.... But my grade horses from the past... Never lost a dime on um.. not one cent... They usually sold for at least 3 times if not more then I ever had in them... wouldn't trade any of those experiences for nothin... So you and I have done alright ;) we aint rich but we have had a good go :)
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cindyt - 2018-04-19 11:57 AM
horsegirl - 2018-04-18 2:39 PM stayceem - 2018-04-18 3:21 PM horsegirl - 2018-04-18 11:17 AM I thought I had nothing to lose when I purchased a grade mare for a cheap price. I figured if I could sell her for $3,000 or $3500, then I'd be perfectly fine since I paid about half that to buy her. All was good and well until she become constantly lame. After pouring $5,000 in vet bills over one year, I ended up with an unregistered, unsound mare nobody wanted. My only option was to donate her to a breeding center as a recip mare. (See my 6 page post on here)
DO NOT DO IT.
I remember your post and I am still very sorry for your situation. However, is it really any different than a gelding? Here is my deal, I generally buy to keep and so if the price is right, the horse fits my style then I say go for it. Obviously I prefer papers in case something were to happen... but it can happen with a papered gelding. I have ridden a lot of grade horses in my life, all competitive and all worth their weight in gold. Sure, IF they went for sale, they sold much cheaper but if the horse is proven, papers are a lot less valuable. The whole point of papers is generally to set yourself up with the best recipe for a nice barrel horse. If they're already a nice one... then nothing to prove. Now if you plan on buying to sell and make money then I wouldn't...
And I am not understanding the financial loss??
A few horses I have known or helped sell.
Black grade gelding - bought for $3000 finished and sold for $3500 (no loss ) - he was a 3d/4d horse, great playday horse. Super safe, awesome pole horse.
Appy Grade Gelding - bought for $2500 and sold for $5000 - he was a somewhat hauled and got finished/mosre consistent. 2d/3d horse.
Sorrel Grade Mare - Paid $2500 and she is old now, but offers have been well over double for her.
Buckskin Grade Gelding - Paid 7k finished rodeo horse and sold for $9500. 1d/2d horse, all-around ability.
Bay Grade Mare - she was born and raised (issue with Dam's papers ) but sold for $35,000. 1d mare, rodeo money earner, etc.
I don't understand the money loss??? If you don't pay too much for it, I don't think I can recall someone not selling it for what they paid or more??
Feed, farrier, worming, and vet. Did you calculate those bills into the profit? | |
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Location: Jersey Girl | I didn't hesitate on buying a grade mare. She was exactly what I was looking for and I loved how she rode. Now I don't breed and I didn't pay a whole lot for her so IF I did decide to sell (I really love her so doubtful she will go anywhere) I don't think I would have an issue getting back what I paid for her. | |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-19 9:00 PM 3canstorun - 2018-04-19 10:52 AM 1DSoon - 2018-04-18 12:55 PM I love grade horses.
You can't ride papers
Yes you can - he is now a Pink Buckle Stallion -
It is a new stallion incentative recently started. You can google it or look on FB.
Papers is a nice stallion that is now being started and is in the program.  He was named by a very special person. | |
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| cheryl makofka - 2018-04-19 11:11 PM
stayceem - 2018-04-19 1:28 PM
cindyt - 2018-04-19 11:57 AM
horsegirl - 2018-04-18 2:39 PM stayceem - 2018-04-18 3:21 PM horsegirl - 2018-04-18 11:17 AM I thought I had nothing to lose when I purchased a grade mare for a cheap price. I figured if I could sell her for $3,000 or $3500, then I'd be perfectly fine since I paid about half that to buy her. All was good and well until she become constantly lame. After pouring $5,000 in vet bills over one year, I ended up with an unregistered, unsound mare nobody wanted. My only option was to donate her to a breeding center as a recip mare. (See my 6 page post on here)
DO NOT DO IT.
I remember your post and I am still very sorry for your situation. However, is it really any different than a gelding? Here is my deal, I generally buy to keep and so if the price is right, the horse fits my style then I say go for it. Obviously I prefer papers in case something were to happen... but it can happen with a papered gelding. I have ridden a lot of grade horses in my life, all competitive and all worth their weight in gold. Sure, IF they went for sale, they sold much cheaper but if the horse is proven, papers are a lot less valuable. The whole point of papers is generally to set yourself up with the best recipe for a nice barrel horse. If they're already a nice one... then nothing to prove. Now if you plan on buying to sell and make money then I wouldn't...
And I am not understanding the financial loss??
A few horses I have known or helped sell.
Black grade gelding - bought for $3000 finished and sold for $3500 (no loss ) - he was a 3d/4d horse, great playday horse. Super safe, awesome pole horse.
Appy Grade Gelding - bought for $2500 and sold for $5000 - he was a somewhat hauled and got finished/mosre consistent. 2d/3d horse.
Sorrel Grade Mare - Paid $2500 and she is old now, but offers have been well over double for her.
Buckskin Grade Gelding - Paid 7k finished rodeo horse and sold for $9500. 1d/2d horse, all-around ability.
Bay Grade Mare - she was born and raised (issue with Dam's papers ) but sold for $35,000. 1d mare, rodeo money earner, etc.
I don't understand the money loss??? If you don't pay too much for it, I don't think I can recall someone not selling it for what they paid or more??
Feed, farrier, worming, and vet. Did you calculate those bills into the profit?
Costs of a horse whether registered or not are the same (generally). I DONT believe grade horses are a business to get into with the hopes of selling for more money but what I am saying which is the point of this post, a grade horse still has value when they're proven/finished and from my experience, it doesn't decrease. If you buy a finished 3D horse and run it a few years, you should be able to sell said 3D grade horse for similar price you paid for it assuming no major issues. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | 3canstorun - 2018-04-20 9:04 AM Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-19 9:00 PM 3canstorun - 2018-04-19 10:52 AM 1DSoon - 2018-04-18 12:55 PM I love grade horses.
You can't ride papers
Yes you can - he is now a Pink Buckle Stallion - It is a new stallion incentative recently started. You can google it or look on FB.
Papers is a nice stallion that is now being started and is in the program. He was named by a very special person.
So this is all new, I was wondering since I have never heard of this term befor, I thought maybe it was just picking at 1DSoon saying something in the terms of him being a sissy  , lol.. Not saying your a sissy 1D I just didnt know what a pink buckle stallion is/was..  | |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-20 10:18 AM 3canstorun - 2018-04-20 9:04 AM Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-19 9:00 PM 3canstorun - 2018-04-19 10:52 AM 1DSoon - 2018-04-18 12:55 PM I love grade horses.
You can't ride papers
Yes you can - he is now a Pink Buckle Stallion - It is a new stallion incentative recently started. You can google it or look on FB. Papers is a nice stallion that is now being started and is in the program. He was named by a very special person.
The Pink Buckle is a list of 40 stallions, similar to other incentative programs (Select Stallion Stakes, Future Fortunes, etc) designed to make barrel racing more lucrative.
Check it out.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | 3canstorun - 2018-04-20 9:21 AM Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-20 10:18 AM 3canstorun - 2018-04-20 9:04 AM Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-19 9:00 PM 3canstorun - 2018-04-19 10:52 AM 1DSoon - 2018-04-18 12:55 PM I love grade horses.
You can't ride papers
Yes you can - he is now a Pink Buckle Stallion - It is a new stallion incentative recently started. You can google it or look on FB.
Papers is a nice stallion that is now being started and is in the program. He was named by a very special person. 1D knows about Papers.
The Pink Buckle is a list of 40 stallions, similar to other incentative programs (Select Stallion Stakes, Future Fortunes, etc) designed to make barrel racing more lucrative.
Check it out.
Thank you for taking the time to tell me about the pink buckle program, since I'm not into breeding knew nothing about this. | |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | stayceem - 2018-04-20 9:11 AM
cheryl makofka - 2018-04-19 11:11 PM
stayceem - 2018-04-19 1:28 PM
cindyt - 2018-04-19 11:57 AM
horsegirl - 2018-04-18 2:39 PM stayceem - 2018-04-18 3:21 PM horsegirl - 2018-04-18 11:17 AM I thought I had nothing to lose when I purchased a grade mare for a cheap price. I figured if I could sell her for $3,000 or $3500, then I'd be perfectly fine since I paid about half that to buy her. All was good and well until she become constantly lame. After pouring $5,000 in vet bills over one year, I ended up with an unregistered, unsound mare nobody wanted. My only option was to donate her to a breeding center as a recip mare. (See my 6 page post on here)
DO NOT DO IT.
I remember your post and I am still very sorry for your situation. However, is it really any different than a gelding? Here is my deal, I generally buy to keep and so if the price is right, the horse fits my style then I say go for it. Obviously I prefer papers in case something were to happen... but it can happen with a papered gelding. I have ridden a lot of grade horses in my life, all competitive and all worth their weight in gold. Sure, IF they went for sale, they sold much cheaper but if the horse is proven, papers are a lot less valuable. The whole point of papers is generally to set yourself up with the best recipe for a nice barrel horse. If they're already a nice one... then nothing to prove. Now if you plan on buying to sell and make money then I wouldn't...
And I am not understanding the financial loss??
A few horses I have known or helped sell.
Black grade gelding - bought for $3000 finished and sold for $3500 (no loss ) - he was a 3d/4d horse, great playday horse. Super safe, awesome pole horse.
Appy Grade Gelding - bought for $2500 and sold for $5000 - he was a somewhat hauled and got finished/mosre consistent. 2d/3d horse.
Sorrel Grade Mare - Paid $2500 and she is old now, but offers have been well over double for her.
Buckskin Grade Gelding - Paid 7k finished rodeo horse and sold for $9500. 1d/2d horse, all-around ability.
Bay Grade Mare - she was born and raised (issue with Dam's papers ) but sold for $35,000. 1d mare, rodeo money earner, etc.
I don't understand the money loss??? If you don't pay too much for it, I don't think I can recall someone not selling it for what they paid or more??
Feed, farrier, worming, and vet. Did you calculate those bills into the profit?
Costs of a horse whether registered or not are the same (generally ). I DONT believe grade horses are a business to get into with the hopes of selling for more money but what I am saying which is the point of this post, a grade horse still has value when they're proven/finished and from my experience, it doesn't decrease. If you buy a finished 3D horse and run it a few years, you should be able to sell said 3D grade horse for similar price you paid for it assuming no major issues.
I disagree with this, I sold my grade mare for $5500, she was declined a few times from people who loved her because she was grade. I had her prices at $7500 originally. I would have priced her at 7-9k had she been papered, she was honest and easy and kid safe. | |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Whiteboy - 2018-04-20 11:40 AM no offense kuhlmann, but that was the worst name ever!! It still cracks me up. I cant believe Lance hasn't changed it yet.
Don't agree - I think it was the greatest..........................if you have a sense of humour. | |
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| RnRJack - 2018-04-20 10:09 AM
stayceem - 2018-04-20 9:11 AM
cheryl makofka - 2018-04-19 11:11 PM
stayceem - 2018-04-19 1:28 PM
cindyt - 2018-04-19 11:57 AM
horsegirl - 2018-04-18 2:39 PM stayceem - 2018-04-18 3:21 PM horsegirl - 2018-04-18 11:17 AM I thought I had nothing to lose when I purchased a grade mare for a cheap price. I figured if I could sell her for $3,000 or $3500, then I'd be perfectly fine since I paid about half that to buy her. All was good and well until she become constantly lame. After pouring $5,000 in vet bills over one year, I ended up with an unregistered, unsound mare nobody wanted. My only option was to donate her to a breeding center as a recip mare. (See my 6 page post on here)
DO NOT DO IT.
I remember your post and I am still very sorry for your situation. However, is it really any different than a gelding? Here is my deal, I generally buy to keep and so if the price is right, the horse fits my style then I say go for it. Obviously I prefer papers in case something were to happen... but it can happen with a papered gelding. I have ridden a lot of grade horses in my life, all competitive and all worth their weight in gold. Sure, IF they went for sale, they sold much cheaper but if the horse is proven, papers are a lot less valuable. The whole point of papers is generally to set yourself up with the best recipe for a nice barrel horse. If they're already a nice one... then nothing to prove. Now if you plan on buying to sell and make money then I wouldn't...
And I am not understanding the financial loss??
A few horses I have known or helped sell.
Black grade gelding - bought for $3000 finished and sold for $3500 (no loss ) - he was a 3d/4d horse, great playday horse. Super safe, awesome pole horse.
Appy Grade Gelding - bought for $2500 and sold for $5000 - he was a somewhat hauled and got finished/mosre consistent. 2d/3d horse.
Sorrel Grade Mare - Paid $2500 and she is old now, but offers have been well over double for her.
Buckskin Grade Gelding - Paid 7k finished rodeo horse and sold for $9500. 1d/2d horse, all-around ability.
Bay Grade Mare - she was born and raised (issue with Dam's papers ) but sold for $35,000. 1d mare, rodeo money earner, etc.
I don't understand the money loss??? If you don't pay too much for it, I don't think I can recall someone not selling it for what they paid or more??
Feed, farrier, worming, and vet. Did you calculate those bills into the profit?
Costs of a horse whether registered or not are the same (generally ). I DONT believe grade horses are a business to get into with the hopes of selling for more money but what I am saying which is the point of this post, a grade horse still has value when they're proven/finished and from my experience, it doesn't decrease. If you buy a finished 3D horse and run it a few years, you should be able to sell said 3D grade horse for similar price you paid for it assuming no major issues.
I disagree with this, I sold my grade mare for $5500, she was declined a few times from people who loved her because she was grade. I had her prices at $7500 originally. I would have priced her at 7-9k had she been papered, she was honest and easy and kid safe.
Sorry wasn't clear.. the price to care for a horse is the same whether grade or not... So I don't calculate that into my loss or gain.
I agree a grade horse is priced below a papered one. | |
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| Whiteboy - 2018-04-20 10:40 AM
no offense kuhlmann, but that was the worst name ever!! It still cracks me up. I cant believe Lance hasn't changed it yet.
Half of the fun of raising them is naming them. To each their own. Bet you don't confuse him with any other horse... I also bet you remember that name pretty dang easily... Mission accomplished. | |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | kuhlmann - 2018-04-20 1:51 PM
Whiteboy - 2018-04-20 10:40 AM
no offense kuhlmann, but that was the worst name ever!! It still cracks me up. I cant believe Lance hasn't changed it yet.
Half of the fun of raising them is naming them. To each their own. Bet you don't confuse him with any other horse... I also bet you remember that name pretty dang easily... Mission accomplished.
Famous silk panties was one of my fav names
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| kuhlmann - 2018-04-20 1:51 PM Whiteboy - 2018-04-20 10:40 AM no offense kuhlmann, but that was the worst name ever!! It still cracks me up. I cant believe Lance hasn't changed it yet. Half of the fun of raising them is naming them. To each their own. Bet you don't confuse him with any other horse... I also bet you remember that name pretty dang easily... Mission accomplished.
Very memorable indeed. | |
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Location: west of East Texas | I bought a grade mare because she PERFORMED and I paid well for that performance. Sometimes I don't give a whole lot of worry about the papers because I grew up watching papers getting shuffled/bought/sold by a relative in the horse 'business'. I'm not in the resell business, the breeding business, or buying babies business so my goals are different than those that are. | |
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Location: west of East Texas | I bought a grade mare because she PERFORMED and I paid well for that performance. Sometimes I don't give a whole lot of worry about the papers because I grew up watching papers getting shuffled/bought/sold by a relative in the horse 'business'. I'm not in the resell business, the breeding business, or buying babies business so my goals are different than those that are. | |
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | chasendacash - 2018-04-22 10:52 PM I bought a grade mare because she PERFORMED and I paid well for that performance. Sometimes I don't give a whole lot of worry about the papers because I grew up watching papers getting shuffled/bought/sold by a relative in the horse 'business'. I'm not in the resell business, the breeding business, or buying babies business so my goals are different than those that are.
Me either... and I am also not in the futurity stuff.... so the pink buckle and all the other associations don't mean much to me, but I do find myself wondering, for all those that papers are where it's at... Do you all futurity, raise and resell your horses?
I wish everyone felt this strongly about breeding dogs... lawd have mercy... My dogs don't have papers but I am also not raising liter after liter after liter... actually.. they were all spayed and never bred... | |
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| cindyt - 2018-04-23 12:19 PM
chasendacash - 2018-04-22 10:52 PM I bought a grade mare because she PERFORMED and I paid well for that performance. Sometimes I don't give a whole lot of worry about the papers because I grew up watching papers getting shuffled/bought/sold by a relative in the horse 'business'. I'm not in the resell business, the breeding business, or buying babies business so my goals are different than those that are.
Me either... and I am also not in the futurity stuff.... so the pink buckle and all the other associations don't mean much to me, but I do find myself wondering, for all those that papers are where it's at... Do you all futurity, raise and resell your horses?
I wish everyone felt this strongly about breeding dogs... lawd have mercy... My dogs don't have papers but I am also not raising liter after liter after liter... actually.. they were all spayed and never bred...
You can find most of them in the 3D.... | |
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | joemama - 2018-04-23 7:30 PM cindyt - 2018-04-23 12:19 PM chasendacash - 2018-04-22 10:52 PM I bought a grade mare because she PERFORMED and I paid well for that performance. Sometimes I don't give a whole lot of worry about the papers because I grew up watching papers getting shuffled/bought/sold by a relative in the horse 'business'. I'm not in the resell business, the breeding business, or buying babies business so my goals are different than those that are. Me either... and I am also not in the futurity stuff.... so the pink buckle and all the other associations don't mean much to me, but I do find myself wondering, for all those that papers are where it's at... Do you all futurity, raise and resell your horses?
I wish everyone felt this strongly about breeding dogs... lawd have mercy... My dogs don't have papers but I am also not raising liter after liter after liter... actually.. they were all spayed and never bred... You can find most of them in the 3D....
ummm... ok.. not sure what that comment is even in reference too... lol | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | cindyt - 2018-04-30 9:36 AM joemama - 2018-04-23 7:30 PM cindyt - 2018-04-23 12:19 PM chasendacash - 2018-04-22 10:52 PM I bought a grade mare because she PERFORMED and I paid well for that performance. Sometimes I don't give a whole lot of worry about the papers because I grew up watching papers getting shuffled/bought/sold by a relative in the horse 'business'. I'm not in the resell business, the breeding business, or buying babies business so my goals are different than those that are. Me either... and I am also not in the futurity stuff.... so the pink buckle and all the other associations don't mean much to me, but I do find myself wondering, for all those that papers are where it's at... Do you all futurity, raise and resell your horses?
I wish everyone felt this strongly about breeding dogs... lawd have mercy... My dogs don't have papers but I am also not raising liter after liter after liter... actually.. they were all spayed and never bred... You can find most of them in the 3D....
Yep had me doing this myself  over the 3d comment.. | |
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| When I was 14 and didn't know any better, I traded a big bay gelding for a scrawny blazed faced red yearling filly with major attitude. 16 years later, she is still with me. She has been the rock that Ive needed through a lot. Parents divorce, being assaulted by someone close to me, graduating, that first boyfriend, college, having a stroke at 24, getting married. Shes been my rock when Ive wanted to get up. Shes been my rock when I was at my lowest and wanted to end it all. I've been offered a lot of money for her and turned it down. She won a lot for me. We were never the fastest but we were consistent. If I ask her to do something, she gives 110%. I retired her in 2014 due to a torn meniscus. And to this day, she can stay with me until she dies. She owes me NOTHING. I never bred her. Why? Because she's grade and there are so many nice papered horses out there.
Would I willingly purchase another grade horse knowing what I know now? No. But my grade mare means the world to me. If you like this mare, go for it. | |
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| It depends what type of rider you are. Not everyone can promote a horse well. Its not a big deal if she isnt registered but i would make she she fits your program, the way you ride, and any future goals. I had a friend that picked up an unregistered horse for about $500 and he was a pain in the a$$. She has spent the last 5 years getting him trained and now she is winning local races and placing in the top 2D at super shows. She had a few offers for $20k but isnt willing to sell him because THAT is her horse and she found a unicorn that fits her needs. | |
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Location: trying not to melt | My mare is grade.I paid very little for her but she fits me and I love her! She’s working out really well for what I need and as I have no desire to breed her or sell her it makes no difference to me if she has papers or not.I want something that’s safe and easy that I can get along with.She fits the bill for me and she’s very nice built and beautiful to boot!! I don’t care what anyone else thinks of her.I pay the bills to have her.If a grade horse fits the bill go for it!! | |
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