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Okay I've patiently been waiting for someone to start a thread about it or maybe someone has and it got zapped. But who is gonna pay their horses in for the first year? Whose thinking about attending? I'm super excited about the whole deal because who doesn't wanna run for more money?

http://www.pinkbuckle.com/

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runfastturnsmooth - 2018-04-24 7:49 PM

Okay I've patiently been waiting for someone to start a thread about it or maybe someone has and it got zapped. But who is gonna pay their horses in for the first year? Whose thinking about attending? I'm super excited about the whole deal because who doesn't wanna run for more money?

http://www.pinkbuckle.com/

https://www.performancehorsestallions.com/pink-buckle.html

I'm glad you stepped up and posted it lol!
I won't be going, not with my current horse, but it has made me think of studs I'd like to breed to once I have a mare than runs good!
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I am sure that the Robinson's will have it so that the pay in isn't that much.  Why would they?  They need to compete with FF, SS and TC100. 

A new program to further barrel racing with big payouts. 

Glad to see it.   
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I have questions I want answered about it because to my understanding the futurity slot race words it as the owners hold the slots each year. Sooo does that mean that any horse can run in it or can you only run the progeny from that stud in the slot bc it kinda seems like it's worded that way. If so then dang that'll be interesting!

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3canstorun - 2018-04-25 7:48 AM

I am sure that the Robinson's will have it so that the pay in isn't that much.  Why would they?  They need to compete with FF, SS and TC100. 

A new program to further barrel racing with big payouts. 

Glad to see it.   

Its $300 to pay in every year. I don't think that's bad.
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3canstorun - 2018-04-25 7:48 AM

I am sure that the Robinson's will have it so that the pay in isn't that much.  Why would they?  They need to compete with FF, SS and TC100. 

A new program to further barrel racing with big payouts. 

Glad to see it.   

Its $300 to pay in every year. I don't think that's bad.

  where do you find that info? So far for weeks I have been looking but apparently in the wrong places because I can't seem to find any real info!! Just generic website coming soon. Its been frustrating to say the least.
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3canstorun - 2018-04-25 7:48 AM

I am sure that the Robinson's will have it so that the pay in isn't that much.  Why would they?  They need to compete with FF, SS and TC100. 

A new program to further barrel racing with big payouts. 

Glad to see it.   

Its $300 to pay in every year. I don't think that's bad.

  where do you find that info? So far for weeks I have been looking but apparently in the wrong places because I can't seem to find any real info!! Just generic website coming soon. Its been frustrating to say the least.

Ryan P.

Posted the info on a fb post
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3canstorun - 2018-04-25 7:48 AM

I am sure that the Robinson's will have it so that the pay in isn't that much.  Why would they?  They need to compete with FF, SS and TC100. 

A new program to further barrel racing with big payouts. 

Glad to see it.   

Its $300 to pay in every year. I don't think that's bad.

  where do you find that info? So far for weeks I have been looking but apparently in the wrong places because I can't seem to find any real info!! Just generic website coming soon. Its been frustrating to say the least.

Ryan P.

Posted the info on a fb post

  Well it would sure help if they would update their website with rules and Faqs. Hate to say it but the whole thing looks pretty shoddy to me with no info other then a I have a dream type of statement. Oct isn't that far off either. Hard to really promote something when nobody really knows much about what that something is.
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$300 to nominate the foal or a $300 entry fee to the futurity? 
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runfastturnsmooth - 2018-04-25 9:47 AM

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3canstorun - 2018-04-25 7:48 AM

I am sure that the Robinson's will have it so that the pay in isn't that much.  Why would they?  They need to compete with FF, SS and TC100. 

A new program to further barrel racing with big payouts. 

Glad to see it.   

Its $300 to pay in every year. I don't think that's bad.

  where do you find that info? So far for weeks I have been looking but apparently in the wrong places because I can't seem to find any real info!! Just generic website coming soon. Its been frustrating to say the least.

Ryan P.

Posted the info on a fb post

  Well it would sure help if they would update their website with rules and Faqs. Hate to say it but the whole thing looks pretty shoddy to me with no info other then a I have a dream type of statement. Oct isn't that far off either. Hard to really promote something when nobody really knows much about what that something is.

It's literally just starting so they probably want to dot I's and cross T's before posting and promising things that funding does not allow but more info is coming soon.
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I just got off the phone with Lance Robinson.  This thing is going to be huge!  The stallion slots are full, with a waiting list.  This means there is already $1,000,000 without any progeny nomination fees.  They will pay the winner, breeder, and stallion owner.  There will also be a sale each year for the foals of the nominated stallions.  This is going to make FF look like the sandbox.  
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They already do this in the halter industry and it's been very successful. I'm excited for it and to hear the new developments. Maybe white boy can convince them to come on here and give us some info too
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 Looks like you have to pay $200 per year by a certain date for a horse to remain eligible.  That's $800 into the incentive for one weekend so it should pay out!!  Just wonder how many will keep up that payment schedule when so many don't bother to pay theirs into FF or TC100 for only $150
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Guido - 2018-04-25 1:10 PM  Looks like you have to pay $200 per year by a certain date for a horse to remain eligible.  That's $800 into the incentive for one weekend so it should pay out!!  Just wonder how many will keep up that payment schedule when so many don't bother to pay theirs into FF or TC100 for only $150
Those that are serious will pay in my opinion.   

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I have a yearling by Slick and expecting 3( by A Smooth Guy, Shawne Bug Leo and PG Dry Fire) in the upcoming weeks by eligible studs that I will pay in. I wish they had come out with this earlier in the year since I only have 1 mare booked for this year to an eligible stud.

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Another organization to tell you/influence you to run this breed and not that breed...
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joemama - 2018-04-25 6:07 PM Another organization to tell you/influence you to run this breed and not that breed...

This is High Quality Humor 
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joemama - 2018-04-25 3:07 PM Another organization to tell you/influence you to run this breed and not that breed...

 
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I'm just confused as to why 3 yr old studs are being paid in already? Is it to secure the spot? But $25k to pay in a year just to secure is insane!
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hoofs_N_bridles - 2018-04-26 8:07 AM

I'm just confused as to why 3 yr old studs are being paid in already? Is it to secure the spot? But $25k to pay in a year just to secure is insane!

Offspring are eligible for the sale so if bred as a 2 yr old they are weanlings that can be put in the sale. Plus yes the stallion spots are limited.
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I'll be paying in!  Thanks for posting- I was asking about this yesterday!  Do stallion owners have to pay the 25K annually?   Just curious... 
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lopnaround - 2018-04-26 10:00 AM I'll be paying in!  Thanks for posting- I was asking about this yesterday!  Do stallion owners have to pay the 25K annually?   Just curious... 

yes.  And there is a waiting list ofstallion owners that want to do it if any happen to drop out.   
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lopnaround - 2018-04-26 10:00 AM I'll be paying in!  Thanks for posting- I was asking about this yesterday!  Do stallion owners have to pay the 25K annually?   Just curious... 
yes.  And there is a waiting list ofstallion owners that want to do it if any happen to drop out.   

So then....if I have a 2 year old by a stallion that in it for this year..,.and I pay my fees this year....and stallion drops out next year...do I still get to continue to pay and run his 4 year old year? 
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lopnaround - 2018-04-26 10:00 AM I'll be paying in!  Thanks for posting- I was asking about this yesterday!  Do stallion owners have to pay the 25K annually?   Just curious... 
yes.  And there is a waiting list ofstallion owners that want to do it if any happen to drop out.   
So then....if I have a 2 year old by a stallion that in it for this year..,.and I pay my fees this year....and stallion drops out next year...do I still get to continue to pay and run his 4 year old year? 

I believe the answer is yes as long as you keep up on your enrollments each year.   
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I'm just confused as to why 3 yr old studs are being paid in already? Is it to secure the spot? But $25k to pay in a year just to secure is insane!

Offspring are eligible for the sale so if bred as a 2 yr old they are weanlings that can be put in the sale. Plus yes the stallion spots are limited.

Oh yes that makes sense!
So if I have a say two yr old by one of them. Just the year that I plan to futurity the colt is when I pay in correct? Then I also pay entry fees
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Where can we find a list of enrolled stallions?
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Whiteboy - 2018-04-26 8:33 AM

lopnaround - 2018-04-26 10:00 AM I'll be paying in!  Thanks for posting- I was asking about this yesterday!  Do stallion owners have to pay the 25K annually?   Just curious... 

yes.  And there is a waiting list ofstallion owners that want to do it if any happen to drop out.   

Great! Another "list".
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lopnaround - 2018-04-26 10:00 AM I'll be paying in!  Thanks for posting- I was asking about this yesterday!  Do stallion owners have to pay the 25K annually?   Just curious... 
yes.  And there is a waiting list ofstallion owners that want to do it if any happen to drop out.   
Great! Another "list".
Right? lol   Those near the top will keep quite, those further down will cuss it.  

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Flamin10 - 2018-04-26 2:58 PM Where can we find a list of enrolled stallions?

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hoofs_N_bridles - 2018-04-26 8:07 AM I'm just confused as to why 3 yr old studs are being paid in already? Is it to secure the spot? But $25k to pay in a year just to secure is insane!
Offspring are eligible for the sale so if bred as a 2 yr old they are weanlings that can be put in the sale. Plus yes the stallion spots are limited.
Oh yes that makes sense! So if I have a say two yr old by one of them. Just the year that I plan to futurity the colt is when I pay in correct? Then I also pay entry fees

No- I think it's an annual fee until futurity year, then you pay additional entry fee
 
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Also any of the stallions enrolled in the Program can run in the event themselves. We will be running Feel The Sting in the open and HP Dash Ta Fiesta in the Futurity as well as the open probably. This also allows the stud owners at a chance to get some of their investment back.
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What I am suggesting to our mare owners. Enroll your horses the first year for the $200. Let the program get off the ground. See how the Pink Buckle event turns out. Then decide if it's worth it or not. Because if you don't enroll the first year your horse will NEVER be able to be enrolled back in the program. I have invested $25,000 to try and be apart of something possibly great for our mare owners. So $200 on their part is not too bad! Plus.... the mare owner/breeder will get 5% of anything that foal wins for as long as there is a Pink Buckle program!
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My concern is how am I going to afford to maintain the enrollment.  I breed 3 a year and they are currently all bred to pink stallions.  I have one born this year by a pink stallion.  (He is close to 60 days old and there are no forms I have seen to enrollment him yet before the $100 penalty)  So next year it will be $800 then the next year depending on who sells and who I breed to I could easily be looking at over $1,000 a year to maintain or enroll.  That's gonna cut into my stud fee budget as I won't see a return on that investment for years.  I will find a way to do it but not sure if other small breeders will be able to do it. 
5% of a million is $50k to be paid back to the breeders who will probably have invested $200-$800 in enrollments is a little underwhelming compared to FF or TC100.  However if the breeders are able to sell their foals for an extra 10% or even 20%, that will make the difference.  It will depend on the market and buyers being excited about the program and them be willing to pay that extra for eligible foals


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I am sometimes not computer literate - but I cannot find any info other then - full site coming soon.  

Can anyone point it in the right direction?  
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Guido - 2018-04-27 8:12 AM

My concern is how am I going to afford to maintain the enrollment.  I breed 3 a year and they are currently all bred to pink stallions.  I have one born this year by a pink stallion.  (He is close to 60 days old and there are no forms I have seen to enrollment him yet before the $100 penalty)  So next year it will be $800 then the next year depending on who sells and who I breed to I could easily be looking at over $1,000 a year to maintain or enroll.  That's gonna cut into my stud fee budget as I won't see a return on that investment for years.  I will find a way to do it but not sure if other small breeders will be able to do it. 
5% of a million is $50k to be paid back to the breeders who will probably have invested $200-$800 in enrollments is a little underwhelming compared to FF or TC100.  However if the breeders are able to sell their foals for an extra 10% or even 20%, that will make the difference.  It will depend on the market and buyers being excited about the program and them be willing to pay that extra for eligible foals

This is what I'm kinda thinking too. Once again its a big money game. Gonna be hard on the small breeders. I'll be eating Rahman noodles to keep mine paid up! But $25K a year is a strong lick on the stallion owners too. I understand that the money to pay out has got to come from somewhere. I'll be curious to see pay outs.

Where are you guys finding information? I'm also just finding a website that really says nothing.
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 Mostly from Ryann's post

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Call Lance Robinson 801-580-8588, he is very willing to answer everybodys questions.   
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Whiteboy - 2018-04-27 11:21 AM Call Lance Robinson 801-580-8588, he is very willing to answer everybodys questions.   

 Why doesn’t he  come on here and announce his new program?  That way a lot of questions could be answered and we would have it to review. 

Please and thank you. 
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There is a fb page for the pink buckle program with some information
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I'm not trying to be rude in any way. But nobody is twisting anyone's arm to join this program. If it's not for you then don't do it.

If you have a $600 in the nomination of a 2 yr old and the program is in its 3 rd year and paying a $1,000,000 just in the Futurity it would be hard for me to believe that your horse will not be worth at least $600 more because it's in the program.

You will also be allowed to sell your foals in the sale.

Also remember, it's only 5% but this program will pay for any age horse. So it this program goes as planned you could still be getting checks 10 years from now...
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westrnridr - 2018-04-27 7:33 PM

I'm not trying to be rude in any way. But nobody is twisting anyone's arm to join this program. If it's not for you then don't do it.

If you have a $600 in the nomination of a 2 yr old and the program is in its 3 rd year and paying a $1,000,000 just in the Futurity it would be hard for me to believe that your horse will not be worth at least $600 more because it's in the program.

You will also be allowed to sell your foals in the sale.

Also remember, it's only 5% but this program will pay for any age horse. So it this program goes as planned you could still be getting checks 10 years from now...

I don’t think that’s the problem. Most of us just want the details from Pink Buckle not FB and hear say. Everyone I have talked to is excited.

Surely you understand that Jason/Charlie.

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westrnridr - 2018-04-27 6:33 PMI'm not trying to be rude in any way. But nobody is twisting anyone's arm to join this program. If it's not for you then don't do it. If you have a $600 in the nomination of a 2 yr old and the program is in its 3 rd year and paying a $1,000,000 just in the Futurity it would be hard for me to believe that your horse will not be worth at least $600 more because it's in the program. You will also be allowed to sell your foals in the sale.Also remember, it's only 5% but this program will pay for any age horse. So it this program goes as planned you could still be getting checks 10 years from now...
  I don't think anyone is trying to offend you, the program or the stallions. I'm trying to figure out if this is something I can afford or should do. Future Fortunes and Triple Crown are easy for me to justify to pay into. BBR stallion stakes is harder because it's more than FF and TC100 but mostly because it does not pay out to the breeder.
With this pink buckle, they started advertising and promoting a lot on barrel racing report and Facebook before they had the information about it available to everyone. Strikes me that they need better organization and planning.
However I have two major concerns.
If I invest in paying the first payment or 2 and then sell, it's completely in the buyers hands whether they continue the payments. So I may have just wasted several hundred dollars. With the other incentives, I can pay a reasonable one time fee and that foal is in for life.
Also this is based off the halter industry where you can start competing with a yearling. In the barrel horse world you have 4 years of payments before any competition. That's a what $1300 invested? That's more than several of the stallions stud fee who are in the program. And just one missed payment makes the whole a waste.
You're right no one is twisting my arm. I'm still on the fence about what I'm going to do as this is $1300 for one event a year. I may find a way to do it or simply breed to other stallions so I don't have to agonize over it lol! You're doing what you feel is best for your stallion and so far yall have done excellent! Just trying to find out as much as I can and seeing if others have similar concerns or different views on it

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westrnridr - 2018-04-27 6:33 PMI'm not trying to be rude in any way. But nobody is twisting anyone's arm to join this program. If it's not for you then don't do it. If you have a $600 in the nomination of a 2 yr old and the program is in its 3 rd year and paying a $1,000,000 just in the Futurity it would be hard for me to believe that your horse will not be worth at least $600 more because it's in the program. You will also be allowed to sell your foals in the sale.Also remember, it's only 5% but this program will pay for any age horse. So it this program goes as planned you could still be getting checks 10 years from now...
  I don't think anyone is trying to offend you, the program or the stallions. I'm trying to figure out if this is something I can afford or should do. Future Fortunes and Triple Crown are easy for me to justify to pay into. BBR stallion stakes is harder because it's more than FF and TC100 but mostly because it does not pay out to the breeder.

With this pink buckle, they started advertising and promoting a lot on barrel racing report and Facebook before they had the information about it available to everyone. Strikes me that they need better organization and planning.

However I have two major concerns.

If I invest in paying the first payment or 2 and then sell, it's completely in the buyers hands whether they continue the payments. So I may have just wasted several hundred dollars. With the other incentives, I can pay a reasonable one time fee and that foal is in for life.

Also this is based off the halter industry where you can start competing with a yearling. In the barrel horse world you have 4 years of payments before any competition. That's a what $1300 invested? That's more than several of the stallions stud fee who are in the program. And just one missed payment makes the whole a waste.

You're right no one is twisting my arm. I'm still on the fence about what I'm going to do as this is $1300 for one event a year. I may find a way to do it or simply breed to other stallions so I don't have to agonize over it lol! You're doing what you feel is best for your stallion and so far yall have done excellent! Just trying to find out as much as I can and seeing if others have similar concerns or different views on it

 In my opinion if you decide to "sell" and you have been paying on the foal for the past two years, then their price should reflect that. Yes, it will be up to that new owner to continue paying however it shouldn't worry you....if the horse was priced accordingly. :)
As far as the info not being out there (as others have stated). I think we are all chomping at the bit to know more and I guarantee you that the producers are just as ready to get ALL of the info out there! We will all know the details soon enough. I am excited about the future of barrel racing if all this gossip is even half way correct! 

 
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RaschPerformanceQHS - 2018-04-29 1:38 PM

Guido - 2018-04-29 12:21 PM
westrnridr - 2018-04-27 6:33 PMI'm not trying to be rude in any way. But nobody is twisting anyone's arm to join this program. If it's not for you then don't do it. If you have a $600 in the nomination of a 2 yr old and the program is in its 3 rd year and paying a $1,000,000 just in the Futurity it would be hard for me to believe that your horse will not be worth at least $600 more because it's in the program. You will also be allowed to sell your foals in the sale.Also remember, it's only 5% but this program will pay for any age horse. So it this program goes as planned you could still be getting checks 10 years from now...
  I don't think anyone is trying to offend you, the program or the stallions. I'm trying to figure out if this is something I can afford or should do. Future Fortunes and Triple Crown are easy for me to justify to pay into. BBR stallion stakes is harder because it's more than FF and TC100 but mostly because it does not pay out to the breeder.

With this pink buckle, they started advertising and promoting a lot on barrel racing report and Facebook before they had the information about it available to everyone. Strikes me that they need better organization and planning.

However I have two major concerns.

If I invest in paying the first payment or 2 and then sell, it's completely in the buyers hands whether they continue the payments. So I may have just wasted several hundred dollars. With the other incentives, I can pay a reasonable one time fee and that foal is in for life.

Also this is based off the halter industry where you can start competing with a yearling. In the barrel horse world you have 4 years of payments before any competition. That's a what $1300 invested? That's more than several of the stallions stud fee who are in the program. And just one missed payment makes the whole a waste.

You're right no one is twisting my arm. I'm still on the fence about what I'm going to do as this is $1300 for one event a year. I may find a way to do it or simply breed to other stallions so I don't have to agonize over it lol! You're doing what you feel is best for your stallion and so far yall have done excellent! Just trying to find out as much as I can and seeing if others have similar concerns or different views on it

 In my opinion if you decide to "sell" and you have been paying on the foal for the past two years, then their price should reflect that. Yes, it will be up to that new owner to continue paying however it shouldn't worry you....if the horse was priced accordingly. :)
As far as the info not being out there (as others have stated). I think we are all chomping at the bit to know more and I guarantee you that the producers are just as ready to get ALL of the info out there! We will all know the details soon enough. I am excited about the future of barrel racing if all this gossip is even half way correct! 

 

 It would "worry" me for the 5% paid back to the breeder as westrnridr pointed out. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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lopnaround - 2018-04-26 9:00 AM I'll be paying in!  Thanks for posting- I was asking about this yesterday!  Do stallion owners have to pay the 25K annually?   Just curious... 
Wow! 25k is alot of money.

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lopnaround - 2018-04-26 9:00 AM I'll be paying in!  Thanks for posting- I was asking about this yesterday!  Do stallion owners have to pay the 25K annually?   Just curious... 
Wow! 25k is alot of money.

Yup, and they are artificially jacking up the prices of foals. Its complete nonsense in my opinion.

The studs arent even proven if I remember right, just pay us and your stud is in.
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lopnaround - 2018-04-26 9:00 AM I'll be paying in!  Thanks for posting- I was asking about this yesterday!  Do stallion owners have to pay the 25K annually?   Just curious... 
Wow! 25k is alot of money.
Yup, and they are artificially jacking up the prices of foals. Its complete nonsense in my opinion. The studs arent even proven if I remember right, just pay us and your stud is in.

 I was actually wondering if the price of the foals or the stud fee would be raised to compensate for the big fee but didn't want to say anything
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Of course they stud owners are going to need to recapture the cost of the program.  Higher stud fees, more contracts sold, or higher prospect prices.  It's business, they have to.   
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I was kind of surprised by the entries. Figured there would be a few more in the open for the first year. I don't know if I ever saw but will the $500 entry fee also go in the pot to raise the payout?
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hereiam - 2018-09-26 11:11 AM I was kind of surprised by the entries. Figured there would be a few more in the open for the first year. I don't know if I ever saw but will the $500 entry fee also go in the pot to raise the payout?

Almost 30% of the entered horses will win money.  If there ever was a year to play...this is it.   
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This was my exact thought too. No body knew this program was coming, but the lucky ones have a horse ready now. The odds will be way better for a return and $200 to nominate a horse to run this year is a lot easier on the pocket book that the $1000 its going to take to get one born this year there. Its just he way life rolls I guess.
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joemama - 2018-09-25 7:30 PM
teehaha - 2018-09-25 5:05 PM
lopnaround - 2018-04-26 9:00 AM I'll be paying in!  Thanks for posting- I was asking about this yesterday!  Do stallion owners have to pay the 25K annually?   Just curious... 
Wow! 25k is alot of money.
Yup, and they are artificially jacking up the prices of foals. Its complete nonsense in my opinion. The studs arent even proven if I remember right, just pay us and your stud is in.

you're funny 
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hereiam - 2018-09-26 12:11 PM I was kind of surprised by the entries. Figured there would be a few more in the open for the first year. I don't know if I ever saw but will the $500 entry fee also go in the pot to raise the payout?

I believe all of the futurity horses have also rolled to the open.  So, add the two together.  Not a bad turn out for the first year. 
 
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