|
|
 Expert
Posts: 5290
  
| My local feed store just started stocking it. Instead of my 2 bags of the regular RG, I got one of each. lol Only been using it a few days but it does put a little pep in their step! LOL I have one horse that could use a little Pep and seems to be working! LOL For that horse he is getting HALF POUND senior and Half pound Regular daily. My horse that needs no extra pep, is getting 3/4 regular 1/4 Senior daily. I really love how it smells and horses do to! I also like the joint support that comes in it. Just wondering if anyone else was further down the road with it than me ! |
|
| |
|
 Warrior Mom
Posts: 4400
| Mine have been on it for almost 3 weeks. We were blessed and given a pallet by Win for my son's benefit and I got to keep what didn't get auctioned off. So far so good on my horses. They eat it readily and it's a very clean nice pellet! They aren't getting very much of it right now since they aren't in "work" but that's fixing to change. All in all, I'm very pleased with it |
|
| |
|
Expert
Posts: 1694
 
Location: Willows, CA | FLITASTIC - 2018-05-07 9:03 AM
My local feed store just started stocking it. Instead of my 2 bags of the regular RG, I got one of each. lol Only been using it a few days but it does put a little pep in their step! LOL I have one horse that could use a little Pep and seems to be working! LOL For that horse he is getting HALF POUND senior and Half pound Regular daily. My horse that needs no extra pep, is getting 3/4 regular 1/4 Senior daily. I really love how it smells and horses do to! I also like the joint support that comes in it. Just wondering if anyone else was further down the road with it than me !
There is more energy in the Senior, but it is meant to be the usable kind for horses that need it. If your horse has the energy level that you need on the original formula, that is what you should use. The Senior provides more in a number of different ways, and is designed to support active older horses, and hard use or special needs younger ones. They can be mixed to get a custom blend if you are into fine tuning. If you have been adding oats or other grains to renew Gold, you can use Senior to eliminate that and improve overall gut function by further removing the disruption that grains can cause. |
|
| |
|
Veteran
Posts: 138
| Going to have to look into this. I have my special needs mare on the regular stuff. I like it except for it's high NSC. Is the senior any lower NSC? |
|
| |
|
Warrior Mom
Posts: 4400
| Win, I have a question on this feed. I have one horse, he's older, he was just diagnosed with ringbone, he's pretty much retired anyway and is a pasture ornament. Is the RG SR suitable for him as we were just also told he's most likely has a thyroid issue because he's very overweight and barely gets any feed as it is. Our vet told me to only let him graze the pasture first thing in the morning only for a few hours a day and now I'm having to soak his hay too. He maybe gets 1/2 lb a day of the RG sr so I can get the thyroid meds in him. Or should I go back to the regular RG? My vet also suggested whatever feed I do give him irs got to be very low starch |
|
| |
|
Expert
Posts: 1694
Location: Willows, CA | The original Renew Gold is slightly lower in total NSC than Senior. This has not been significant in normal use testing since the feed rates are so low. The difference is about 10 grams per day. On the pasture horse, I would stay with the original. |
|
| |
|
 A Somebody to Everybody
Posts: 41354
Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | winwillows - 2018-05-07 10:43 AM The original Renew Gold is slightly lower in total NSC than Senior. This has not been significant in normal use testing since the feed rates are so low. The difference is about 10 grams per day. On the pasture horse, I would stay with the original.
What is the NSC in the original and the senior? Just wondering  |
|
| |
|
Expert
Posts: 5290
| Southtxponygirl - 2018-05-07 8:50 AM
winwillows - 2018-05-07 10:43 AM The original Renew Gold is slightly lower in total NSC than Senior. This has not been significant in normal use testing since the feed rates are so low. The difference is about 10 grams per day. On the pasture horse, I would stay with the original.
What is the NSC in the original and the senior? Just wondering
Don't quote me but I remember reading the NSC is aroun 15% BUT as WIN will explain, there are feeds out there that have lower NSC but you have to feed HIGHER volumes. Renew Gold may be Higher NSC number wise, but at ONE POUND per day, the total sugar in the diet is very very low. Hope that makes sense. LOL |
|
| |
|
Expert
Posts: 1694
Location: Willows, CA | Original Renew Gold is 17% NSC. Renew Gold Senior is 19.5% NSC. |
|
| |
|
A Somebody to Everybody
Posts: 41354
Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | FLITASTIC - 2018-05-07 11:01 AM Southtxponygirl - 2018-05-07 8:50 AM winwillows - 2018-05-07 10:43 AM The original Renew Gold is slightly lower in total NSC than Senior. This has not been significant in normal use testing since the feed rates are so low. The difference is about 10 grams per day. On the pasture horse, I would stay with the original. What is the NSC in the original and the senior? Just wondering Don't quote me but I remember reading the NSC is aroun 15% BUT as WIN will explain, there are feeds out there that have lower NSC but you have to feed HIGHER volumes. Renew Gold may be Higher NSC number wise, but at ONE POUND per day, the total sugar in the diet is very very low. Hope that makes sense. LOL
Yes you made sense Flit, I was looking but could not find the NSC on it so went to TSC web site and found it under the Q&A and read it was 17% it took me awhile to find it but I did finally, lol.. Thank you  |
|
| |
|
A Somebody to Everybody
Posts: 41354
Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | winwillows - 2018-05-07 11:03 AM Original Renew Gold is 17% NSC. Renew Gold Senior is 19.5% NSC.
So this is more of a supplement that you can add to your feeding program, is that what I am reading? I can get really confused easy so be kind to me, lol.. |
|
| |
|
 Expert
Posts: 2604
Location: Texas | I am having to feed 2 lbs/day of the original Renew Gold + 2 lbs/day of whole oats. Also feeding about 5 lbs/day alfalfa cubes (actually give the 16 yr old as much as he will eat which he doesn't always eat them all) and they are out on coastal bermuda pasture 24/7. And yes their teeth are floated regularly by a DVM that specializes in floating. Also regularly dewormed. And I wouldn't mind if either of them gained another 100 lbs. Any suggestions? |
|
| |
|
Expert
Posts: 5290
| TBone - 2018-05-07 9:20 AM
I am having to feed 2 lbs/day of the original Renew Gold + 2 lbs/day of whole oats. Also feeding about 5 lbs/day alfalfa cubes (actually give the 16 yr old as much as he will eat which he doesn't always eat them all) and they are out on coastal bermuda pasture 24/7. And yes their teeth are floated regularly by a DVM that specializes in floating. Also regularly dewormed. And I wouldn't mind if either of them gained another 100 lbs. Any suggestions?
Mine are quite the opposite, the RG has made them dapple out something fierce, but mine gain weight easily so I really limit how much they get. LOL I think horses are like PEOPLE, some people eat 24/7 365 and stay skinny as a rail their whole life and some gain weight just smelling a donut. |
|
| |
|
Expert
Posts: 5290
| As I read through the Info on this Senior formula last week, one thing really stuck out to me, it contains a natural WORM INHIBITOR. I thought that was pretty darn cool. The toxin Binder is also pretty cool to. I know people that use daily chemical wormers ( Not for me) and also use the herbal ones. Its nice to know you can kind of keep the worm loads low with this product. |
|
| |
|
Expert
Posts: 1207
| Is the original Renew Gold okay to feed to an IRS pasture horse? I am giving 1 cup in the morning and 1 cup at night. |
|
| |
|
Expert
Posts: 1694
Location: Willows, CA | I will try to answer a bunch of questions here. On the IR horses, we do a lot of those. The total contribution per feeding of NSC is so low, that the totals are usually lower than the super low NSC feeds that need to be fed at a higher feeding rate.
If your horse is not maintaining on it's hay and less than two pounds per day of Renew Gold original formula with no grain, my guess would be that something can be addressed with the roughage portion of the diet rather than more concentrate. Better hay is always the best supplement. Some horses just have a hard time with a mostly grass hay diet. That is not to say that I am not a fan of grass hay, it is just a little harder for some horses to process. Adding a little more (1-2 pounds) alfalfa to the diet in place of the additional concentrate now being fed will improve the digestion of the grass hay in the hind gut for many horses by slowing the transit time down. This gives the horse more time to break down the grass hay and capture the calories there. In most cases, this will allow you to reduce or eliminate the oats, which further improves hind gut function.
|
|
| |
|
Expert
Posts: 1207
| Just noticed my post, what can I say must be a Monday. Anyway thanks Win. The one I was referring to is maintaining "quite" well on just 2 cups a day as she gets that with some alfalfa/grass/flax cube (Omega cube) and out on pasture. No hay and pasture not all that great but it causes them to roam. |
|
| |
|
Expert
Posts: 1694
Location: Willows, CA | Another point on the horses that are not maintaining without added oats. I strongly recommend that horse owners check their horses tongue every few months for signs of a hook on the inside of the lowers. For horses that are eating grass hay or grass pasture, a sore mouth will cause them to chew grass hay less and really diminish the ability to digest it properly as a result. In some horses a hook can form in just a few months, and be out of sync with your annual dentist visit. To do this, grab your horses tongue and pull it out the side of the mouth on each side. Look for red or ulcerated spots on the side of the tongue as far back as you can see. DON"T put your thumb in there to feel for a hook if you like your thumb in it's current configuration. You would be amazed at how fast a hook can form in some horses. If this is an issue, you would also be amazed at how quickly a horse will bloom without any other changes once corrected. |
|
| |
|
Expert
Posts: 2604
Location: Texas | Horse's tongue is fine, no issues. Horses are on good coastal bermuda GRASS pasture 24/7. No grass hay at this time. Get as much as they will eat of Omnis cubes, which amounts to less than 5 lbs per day. Majority of the diet is green grass pasture.
Edited by TBone 2018-05-07 12:33 PM
|
|
| |
|
Veteran
Posts: 138
| Southtxponygirl - 2018-05-07 11:17 AM
winwillows - 2018-05-07 11:03 AM Original Renew Gold is 17% NSC. Renew Gold Senior is 19.5% NSC.
So this is more of a supplement that you can add to your feeding program, is that what I am reading? I can get really confused easy so be kind to me, lol..
I feed it as a supplement instead of having to feed a liquid fat. Most oils are super unbalanced in Omega-6s which can lead to inflammation. With my mare being recently diagnosed with arthritis I wanted to get her off of the oil ASAP. I have read of people feeding just RG and then their supplements, but I would think you would need to add some kind of vitamin or mineral supplement to that. |
|
| |
|
Expert
Posts: 5290
| draftmare - 2018-05-07 11:17 AM
Southtxponygirl - 2018-05-07 11:17 AM
winwillows - 2018-05-07 11:03 AM Original Renew Gold is 17% NSC. Renew Gold Senior is 19.5% NSC.
So this is more of a supplement that you can add to your feeding program, is that what I am reading? I can get really confused easy so be kind to me, lol..
I feed it as a supplement instead of having to feed a liquid fat. Most oils are super unbalanced in Omega-6s which can lead to inflammation. With my mare being recently diagnosed with arthritis I wanted to get her off of the oil ASAP. I have read of people feeding just RG and then their supplements, but I would think you would need to add some kind of vitamin or mineral supplement to that.
Correct. Mine Get ONE SCOOP Platinum GI with their Renew GOld. I have also used Formula 707 Daily essentials with a lot of success. I may go back to the Daily essentials after this bucket of platinum is used up. The Senior formula covers a lot of those bases the regular RG didn't
Edited by FLITASTIC 2018-05-07 1:27 PM
|
|
| |
|
Expert
Posts: 1694
Location: Willows, CA | Southtxponygirl - 2018-05-07 11:17 AM
winwillows - 2018-05-07 11:03 AM Original Renew Gold is 17% NSC. Renew Gold Senior is 19.5% NSC.
So this is more of a supplement that you can add to your feeding program, is that what I am reading? I can get really confused easy so be kind to me, lol..
Most of our customers will not feed additional grain based feed. All horses are different. But, with quality roughage, additional concentrate feeds are usually not necessary. |
|
| |
|
A Somebody to Everybody
Posts: 41354
Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | winwillows - 2018-05-07 2:36 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-05-07 11:17 AM winwillows - 2018-05-07 11:03 AM Original Renew Gold is 17% NSC. Renew Gold Senior is 19.5% NSC. So this is more of a supplement that you can add to your feeding program, is that what I am reading? I can get really confused easy so be kind to me, lol.. Most of our customers will not feed additional grain based feed. All horses are different. But, with quality roughage, additional concentrate feeds are usually not necessary. 
Edited by Southtxponygirl 2018-05-07 4:18 PM
|
|
| |
|
Expert
Posts: 1694
Location: Willows, CA | First off, Bluebonnet is a good company that makes safe products. It seems like today is my day for IR horses. I might go a week without a question about one, then have a day like today where I get questions from three owners about their IR horses. In general, keeping the sugar load low per feeding is important. Renew Gold is proving safe for these horses because you get hind gut efficiency for better digestion of the roughage, without a big slug of sugar all at one time because of the low feeding rates. If you feel that your hay quality requires additional calories for condition and you don't have access to better hay to solve that issue that way, a combination of Renew Gold and additional concentrates can be used. I greatly prefer just Renew Gold and perhaps a little more alfalfa along with soaked grass hay when feeding IR horses to keep the total concentrate inclusion small. This generates energy without the blood sugar spike associated with larger inclusions of concentrate, even low NSC concentrate. In any case, I would limit the total combination of concentrate, if you choose to go that route, to less than 1.5 pounds per feeding in a IR horse. You can stretch this a little on horses that are not IR. Even then, I like to keep concentrate to no more than 2 pounds per feeding. |
|
| |
|
A Somebody to Everybody
Posts: 41354
Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | winwillows - 2018-05-07 5:02 PM First off, Bluebonnet is a good company that makes safe products. It seems like today is my day for IR horses. I might go a week without a question about one, then have a day like today where I get questions from three owners about their IR horses. In general, keeping the sugar load low per feeding is important. Renew Gold is proving safe for these horses because you get hind gut efficiency for better digestion of the roughage, without a big slug of sugar all at one time because of the low feeding rates. If you feel that your hay quality requires additional calories for condition and you don't have access to better hay to solve that issue that way, a combination of Renew Gold and additional concentrates can be used. I greatly prefer just Renew Gold and perhaps a little more alfalfa along with soaked grass hay when feeding IR horses to keep the total concentrate inclusion small. This generates energy without the blood sugar spike associated with larger inclusions of concentrate, even low NSC concentrate. In any case, I would limit the total combination of concentrate, if you choose to go that route, to less than 1.5 pounds per feeding in a IR horse. You can stretch this a little on horses that are not IR. Even then, I like to keep concentrate to no more than 2 pounds per feeding.
Thank you Win I will past this along to my friend and I will just keep everything simple for my guys, they are beefy and look great with a shine that looks like glass so I guess they really dont need much of anything now, but I sure will pass this along to my friend that has trouble keeping weight on one horse. Thanks again  |
|
| |
|
Expert
Posts: 1694
Location: Willows, CA | Southtxponygirl - 2018-05-07 5:14 PM
winwillows - 2018-05-07 5:02 PM First off, Bluebonnet is a good company that makes safe products. It seems like today is my day for IR horses. I might go a week without a question about one, then have a day like today where I get questions from three owners about their IR horses. In general, keeping the sugar load low per feeding is important. Renew Gold is proving safe for these horses because you get hind gut efficiency for better digestion of the roughage, without a big slug of sugar all at one time because of the low feeding rates. If you feel that your hay quality requires additional calories for condition and you don't have access to better hay to solve that issue that way, a combination of Renew Gold and additional concentrates can be used. I greatly prefer just Renew Gold and perhaps a little more alfalfa along with soaked grass hay when feeding IR horses to keep the total concentrate inclusion small. This generates energy without the blood sugar spike associated with larger inclusions of concentrate, even low NSC concentrate. In any case, I would limit the total combination of concentrate, if you choose to go that route, to less than 1.5 pounds per feeding in a IR horse. You can stretch this a little on horses that are not IR. Even then, I like to keep concentrate to no more than 2 pounds per feeding.
Thank you Win I will past this along to my friend and I will just keep everything simple for my guys, they are beefy and look great with a shine that looks like glass so I guess they really dont need much of anything now, but I sure will pass this along to my friend that has trouble keeping weight on one horse. Thanks again
Have your friend give me a call at 530-934-9300 and I will help her see her options. I am very easy to talk to, and I am happy to help. |
|
| |
|
Veteran
Posts: 138
| winwillows - 2018-05-07 5:02 PM
First off, Bluebonnet is a good company that makes safe products. It seems like today is my day for IR horses. I might go a week without a question about one, then have a day like today where I get questions from three owners about their IR horses. In general, keeping the sugar load low per feeding is important. Renew Gold is proving safe for these horses because you get hind gut efficiency for better digestion of the roughage, without a big slug of sugar all at one time because of the low feeding rates. If you feel that your hay quality requires additional calories for condition and you don't have access to better hay to solve that issue that way, a combination of Renew Gold and additional concentrates can be used. I greatly prefer just Renew Gold and perhaps a little more alfalfa along with soaked grass hay when feeding IR horses to keep the total concentrate inclusion small. This generates energy without the blood sugar spike associated with larger inclusions of concentrate, even low NSC concentrate. In any case, I would limit the total combination of concentrate, if you choose to go that route, to less than 1.5 pounds per feeding in a IR horse. You can stretch this a little on horses that are not IR. Even then, I like to keep concentrate to no more than 2 pounds per feeding.
Hmm, this has me wondering about giving my mare just RG now. She is PSSM Type 1, so want to keep the fat high and the sugar and starch low. I have been feeding her alfalfa pellets, but just recently switched over to Buckeye Safe N Easy for a bit more fat instead of using oil. My goal has been to get her off the oil completely. |
|
| |
Anyone switch to the New Renew Gold Senior?