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Location: N Texas | I got into a disagreement with someone regarding riding an emaciated horse (ribs, spine, and hips visible) while its weight is being brought back up to normal.
One of us thinks it's a bad idea because there is no fat or muscle to provide cushion from the saddle and rider, aside from a pad.
The other thinks that light riding is fine because it will help build muscle, not fat.
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"Heck's Coming With Me"
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Location: Kansas | Never in a million years would I ride a thin horse. Let him gain weight and feel good first.
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| Absolutely not. I’m appalled anyone would think it’s ok!! |
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 A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | It just floors me that there is just soooo many stupid people in this world. Why in the he** would someone want to ride a horse in this condition?!!! Tell them to stay off this poor horse  |
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Cute Little Imp
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Location: N Texas | Southtxponygirl - 2018-05-21 4:09 PM
It just floors me that there is just soooo many stupid people in this world. Why in the he** would someone want to ride a horse in this condition?!!! Tell them to stay off this poor horse
Oh I did, I told them it was irresponsible and they told me to mind my own business  |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Gunner11 - 2018-05-21 4:12 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-05-21 4:09 PM It just floors me that there is just soooo many stupid people in this world. Why in the he** would someone want to ride a horse in this condition?!!! Tell them to stay off this poor horse Oh I did, I told them it was irresponsible and they told me to mind my own business
I figured you did tell them but just had to throw that in  , some people are just stupid and dont give a rats behind in how the animal feels.. Theres been a many of times I just want to bi*ch slap someone over the stupid things they say or do to an animal.. |
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| When we drove 12 hours to go look at a horse for my daughter, we pulled up and the horse was tied to a tree and completely emaciated... we were shown pictures of this horse and he was in good flesh... we drove all that way, my husband wanted us to just turn around, but I wanted to find out what happened to this poor animal. He was skin and bones. Anyway, we got to talking to the lady and found out they knew absolutely zero about horses, he had belonged to a friend of hers that recently took his own life and left the horse on his own. Heartbreaking story... I asked if they knew if the horse rode decent, she offered to go get his saddle, I told her no way... we had my daughter who weighed maybe 70lb soaking wet sit on him for a minute and walked him in one circle and got off... that's all I needed to see. I knew we weren't leaving him. I've never seen a horse load so fast in a trailer in my life! He wanted out of there! I've still got him, he won one barrel race with my daughter and babysat her around the cattle.. now he's retired and fat as a tick in my pasture lol!
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Location: North Dakota | Gunner11 - 2018-05-21 3:59 PM I got into a disagreement with someone regarding riding an emaciated horse (ribs, spine, and hips visible) while its weight is being brought back up to normal. One of us thinks it's a bad idea because there is no fat or muscle to provide cushion from the saddle and rider, aside from a pad. The other thinks that light riding is fine because it will help build muscle, not fat. So I'm curious what y'all think about that.
No, light riding is not fine when a horse is extremely underweight. |
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 The best bad guy on the internet
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Location: Arizona | Why would someone want to ride a thin bony horse, what the heck! UGH!! People come on!! |
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 Quarter Horse HIstorian
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Location: Aubrey, Texas | No, no, and H£LL no! And thank you for saying something to those foolish people- |
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Warrior Mom
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| I just wanted to add we took that horse to the vet when we got home, did our research on re feeding, we put weight on him and then we slowly worked him without a rider for a few months to gain his strength back before she ever rode him. |
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| Horses don’t put on fat like people do unless they are obese. Saying it helps build muscle instead of fat in this case shows true ignorance. That person needs slapped upside the head with a 2X4. |
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 Half-Eaten Cookies
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Location: Fort Worth / Springtown | I don't. Had one returned from the trainer that I had to put weight back on before I tried to ride him - the spine was sticking up - no saddle that I had would sit well enough with my added weight to do any good with continuing training, until he could carry the saddle -hence his entire body - better.
Just the other day I commented on someone who was asking about the way their tack fit and that the horse was fighting the bit - the horse, in other pictures, looked like it had some pretty serious weight and posture issues, I thought, so I gently mentioned this. I came back and the entire discussion was deleted. I wondered what came of that one - argument?
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| I’m a teacher so I try and give people examples to explain concepts better. I would have told the person who thought it was ok to ride an emanciated horse that it would be the same telling an anorexic who weighs 65 pounds as an adult to hit the gym and start building that muscle back. |
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Cute Little Imp
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Location: N Texas | FLITASTIC - 2018-05-22 10:22 AM
I’m a teacher so I try and give people examples to explain concepts better. I would have told the person who thought it was ok to ride an emanciated horse that it would be the same telling an anorexic who weighs 65 pounds as an adult to hit the gym and start building that muscle back.
That's how I look at it too. Trying to build muscle at the same time as gaining weight is counter productive. You want all of their energy to go towards gaining weight. I just couldn't believe that she truly thought it was not only totally fine, but recommended it. SMH. |
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Cute Little Imp
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Location: N Texas | This is the horse, because I'm sure you're curious, lol.
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Gunner11 - 2018-05-23 11:49 AM This is the horse, because I'm sure you're curious, lol.
This poor horse sure dont need to be rode for awhile, she/he needs some top line befor a saddle is thrown on him/her. |
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  Witty Enough
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Location: CTX | Gunner11 - 2018-05-23 11:49 AM This is the horse, because I'm sure you're curious, lol.
Aww poor thing! Nope, no way no how would I ride that horse!! |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | My question is Why is this horse in this condition in the first place?  |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Southtxponygirl - 2018-05-23 2:00 PM My question is Why is this horse in this condition in the first place?
My thoughts exactly... |
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 My Heart Be Happy
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Location: Arkansas | Gunner11 - 2018-05-23 11:49 AM
This is the horse, because I'm sure you're curious, lol.
You have to be kidding me. . . . |
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Cute Little Imp
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Location: N Texas | Southtxponygirl - 2018-05-23 2:00 PM
My question is Why is this horse in this condition in the first place?
Well supposedly they've only had it for a couple of months and now they're trying to sell it. So according to them, they have to ride her so people know she's safe.  |
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Cute Little Imp
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Location: N Texas | Chandler's Mom - 2018-05-23 9:16 PM
Gunner11 - 2018-05-23 11:49 AM
This is the horse, because I'm sure you're curious, lol.
You have to be kidding me. . . .
I wish I was!! |
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| I was expecting to see a much worse looking horse. THat horse is in POOR POOR condition, no still would not ride, but thats not emaciated in my opinion. I have seen some race horses who looked very very similar. The Hair on that horse looks good. Generally a dying emaciated horse has wirey hair.. But def needs some groceries. |
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Cute Little Imp
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Location: N Texas | FLITASTIC - 2018-05-24 9:06 AM
I was expecting to see a much worse looking horse. THat horse is in POOR POOR condition, no still would not ride, but thats not emaciated in my opinion. I have seen some race horses who looked very very similar. The Hair on that horse looks good. Generally a dying emaciated horse has wirey hair.. But def needs some groceries.
Well on the body score chart, she rates a 2 out of 9, so just barely better than skeletal. It may not be as clear in that photo, but her spine is very visible as well. I know there are race horses that are super lean with virtually no body fat, but this is definitely worse than that. Either way, still shouldn't be ridden :) |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | FLITASTIC - 2018-05-24 9:06 AM I was expecting to see a much worse looking horse. THat horse is in POOR POOR condition, no still would not ride, but thats not emaciated in my opinion. I have seen some race horses who looked very very similar. The Hair on that horse looks good. Generally a dying emaciated horse has wirey hair.. But def needs some groceries. Living on the Border I have seen some horrible cases and have bought some to get them out of a bad situation to rehome them, but still this horse is in sad shape and should not be rode untill that top line is built back up.. I agree on the coat its a healthy looking coat but this poor horse still needs attention..
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| Gunner11 - 2018-05-24 7:27 AM
FLITASTIC - 2018-05-24 9:06 AM
I was expecting to see a much worse looking horse. THat horse is in POOR POOR condition, no still would not ride, but thats not emaciated in my opinion. I have seen some race horses who looked very very similar. The Hair on that horse looks good. Generally a dying emaciated horse has wirey hair.. But def needs some groceries.
Well on the body score chart, she rates a 2 out of 9, so just barely better than skeletal. It may not be as clear in that photo, but her spine is very visible as well. I know there are race horses that are super lean with virtually no body fat, but this is definitely worse than that. Either way, still shouldn't be ridden : )
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | Not only would I not ride this horse, I would hide it way way out of site and pray that nobody turned me into a humane officer before I coul put a few hundred pounds on the poor animal. |
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My Heart Be Happy
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Location: Arkansas | SC Wrangler - 2018-05-24 3:58 PM
Not only would I not ride this horse, I would hide it way way out of site and pray that nobody turned me into a humane officer before I coul put a few hundred pounds on the poor animal.
Me too---plus I'd be beyond embarrassed. My 39 year old, Dan, looks awful to me. . . . I started him on Forco on April 19, and I'm seeing improvement. But I'm embarrassed for anyone to see him because I don't want them to think I'm starving him. We're doing all I've been advised to do (thank you, Mr Win and Miss Kathie), but I've not shown anyone his picture except Miss Kathie (Nevertooold). I wanted her to help me judge before and after. . . . I've seen horses at events that I would have hidden from the world they were so poor. And ridden for all they were worth. People never cease to make me sick. |
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Location: N Texas | Chandler's Mom - 2018-05-24 8:24 PM
SC Wrangler - 2018-05-24 3:58 PM
Not only would I not ride this horse, I would hide it way way out of site and pray that nobody turned me into a humane officer before I coul put a few hundred pounds on the poor animal.
Me too---plus I'd be beyond embarrassed. My 39 year old, Dan, looks awful to me. . . . I started him on Forco on April 19, and I'm seeing improvement. But I'm embarrassed for anyone to see him because I don't want them to think I'm starving him. We're doing all I've been advised to do (thank you, Mr Win and Miss Kathie ), but I've not shown anyone his picture except Miss Kathie (Nevertooold ). I wanted her to help me judge before and after. . . . I've seen horses at events that I would have hidden from the world they were so poor. And ridden for all they were worth. People never cease to make me sick.
Right, I don't understand how people think this kind of thing is ok.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/08/rider-took-selfie-skelet...
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Location: CTX | Gunner11 - 2018-05-25 9:03 AM Chandler's Mom - 2018-05-24 8:24 PM SC Wrangler - 2018-05-24 3:58 PM Not only would I not ride this horse, I would hide it way way out of site and pray that nobody turned me into a humane officer before I coul put a few hundred pounds on the poor animal. Me too---plus I'd be beyond embarrassed. My 39 year old, Dan, looks awful to me. . . . I started him on Forco on April 19, and I'm seeing improvement. But I'm embarrassed for anyone to see him because I don't want them to think I'm starving him. We're doing all I've been advised to do (thank you, Mr Win and Miss Kathie ), but I've not shown anyone his picture except Miss Kathie (Nevertooold ). I wanted her to help me judge before and after. . . . I've seen horses at events that I would have hidden from the world they were so poor. And ridden for all they were worth. People never cease to make me sick. Right, I don't understand how people think this kind of thing is ok. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/08/rider-took-selfie-skelet...
Holy cow!! Poor boy!! How in heavens name do you justify yourself and stick a saddle on a horse that bad and ride it!! And she looks like she has never skipped a meal in her life!! Glad she is banned from owning horses eventhough it's only for a period of time. |
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| SC Wrangler - 2018-05-24 2:58 PM
Not only would I not ride this horse, I would hide it way way out of site and pray that nobody turned me into a humane officer before I coul put a few hundred pounds on the poor animal.
We did this once! We rescued a poor horse a few years ago and he looked so horrible I was afraid to put him in our front pastures because I figured someone would call and turn us in. But surprisingly he bounced back quickly and it wasn't long and he was looking great.
As far as the riding part, I will admit we jumped on him bareback and walked him in few circles to see if he neck reined around any but really no, you should not be riding one that doesn't have good weight.
I'm happy to say we found him a home in a Veterans therapy program where they use the horses to help Veterans with PTSD. We helped him and now he's helping others. I wish all mistreated horse stories had a happy ending.
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | There isn't one ounce of me that would even think about riding that horse till it put on about 300lbs (at Least) not even light riding... I sent a horse off and he came back about 300lbs underweight and we didn't do anything but feed him for a month.... |
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| There is a guy in our part of the country that tries roping on his horses that look like this or worse. The guy sure hasn't missed any meals as he is a bigger guy, not flabby fat but bigger. The last roping I saw him at he was getting really mad at his horse cuz he was getting out ran. He finally loaded up and went home before the other guys unloaded on him. It was really sad. suposedly The horse ended up getting out and getting hit on the road. They tried to say that someone cut the fence which maybe they did so he could get to some grass but I'm betting that he just died from starvation. |
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My Heart Be Happy
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Location: Arkansas | Gunner11 - 2018-05-25 9:03 AM
Chandler's Mom - 2018-05-24 8:24 PM
SC Wrangler - 2018-05-24 3:58 PM
Not only would I not ride this horse, I would hide it way way out of site and pray that nobody turned me into a humane officer before I coul put a few hundred pounds on the poor animal.
Me too---plus I'd be beyond embarrassed. My 39 year old, Dan, looks awful to me. . . . I started him on Forco on April 19, and I'm seeing improvement. But I'm embarrassed for anyone to see him because I don't want them to think I'm starving him. We're doing all I've been advised to do (thank you, Mr Win and Miss Kathie ), but I've not shown anyone his picture except Miss Kathie (Nevertooold ). I wanted her to help me judge before and after. . . . I've seen horses at events that I would have hidden from the world they were so poor. And ridden for all they were worth. People never cease to make me sick.
Right, I don't understand how people think this kind of thing is ok.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/08/rider-took-selfie-skelet...
I didn't even look, cause I know it'll make me sick. . . . I would hope I'd give them a humane, dignified end before I'd starve one. Either intentionally or because I couldn't afford to feed them. |
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Location: Warsaw,NY | This past winter i sent my 16H colt to a so called trainer for 3 1/2 months. when I got him back he was skin and bones, no top line, hips sticking out, ribs all showing, totally dehydrated and hair long and curly. I dropped him off 1/1 and got him back 4/12 at a big show we were both going to be at. She arrived before me so put him in one of my stalls. when I got there I was shocked and ****ed. the horse drank 7 buckets of water in the first 12hrs and I ket hay in front of him ayt all times. Then she had the nerve to ask if i rode him yet, needless to say I flipped Chit on her. I refused to ride him, how could you even piut a saddle on his back. I only recently got him in once as he is fat enough, and he knows nothing either. |
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| euchee - 2018-05-29 8:15 PM
There is a guy in our part of the country that tries roping on his horses that look like this or worse. The guy sure hasn't missed any meals as he is a bigger guy, not flabby fat but bigger. The last roping I saw him at he was getting really mad at his horse cuz he was getting out ran. He finally loaded up and went home before the other guys unloaded on him. It was really sad. suposedly The horse ended up getting out and getting hit on the road. They tried to say that someone cut the fence which maybe they did so he could get to some grass but I'm betting that he just died from starvation.
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| I pulled a gelding from the feedlot that looked like that the end of march. I got on him once the week I got him bareback just to see what he knew, but then left him to get fat. I am now just starting to ride him, I have only been on him maybe half a dozen times so far just walking around a little bit to get used to him. I will start working him up to more regular work as soon as I find a saddle that fits him better. He muscled up just fine on his own in the field. He needs topline, but that will come. |
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| Great timing, I've been looking for a thin fixer upper to buy. Ship that poor sap up here and I'll get him/her fattened up.
I realize things happen in people's lives that we can't control but having a horse get this thin makes me extremely sad. |
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