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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I'm learning Vit E can really help a lot of things, but most feed throughs (not sure on vitamins) can take 30 days to get in the system. Have you done a chiro/massage? Audie was very body sore from his neck injury. I had him worked over that fall and again this spring before riding him. So far he is riding like a champ. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-05-21 7:29 PM I have a horse very deficient in vitamin E. She was on stall rest and dry lotted for almost 2 years due to an injury. She is not a shedding very well, has a lack of muscle tone even with being riden and seems to have some muscle soreness. She's being treated. What are you your experiences with very low vitamin E in horses and recovery. I know it takes a while...
Not to hijack your post but what treament plan is your horse on? Curious is all.  |
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| thanks for the replies. I've done everything possible for this horse. I bought her a magnawave semi machine and she is chiro regularly. Her treatment plan consists of elevate ws liquid vitamin e from Kentucky Performance products. I'm to give 12 ml (6000 iu) for 2 moths then retest. She could be on a high dose up to 3 months. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | You can go as high as 10K daily and should see significant results in 6 weeks. Since your using the magnawave I would like to recommend you give your horse a descending dose of lactalex. |
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| uno-dos-tres! - 2018-05-23 2:20 AM
You can go as high as 10K daily and should see significant results in 6 weeks. Since your using the magnawave I would like to recommend you give your horse a descending dose of lactalex.
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| Emily's Biggest Fan - 2018-05-23 11:27 AM
What brand of Vitamin E is the best bang for your buck?
look for natural vitamin e. Anything synthetic doesn't absorb as easily |
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| WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-05-23 11:58 AM
Emily's Biggest Fan - 2018-05-23 11:27 AM
What brand of Vitamin E is the best bang for your buck?
look for natural vitamin e. Anything synthetic doesn't absorb as easily
The body will also STORE the Natural E. When additional Vitamin E is needed, the body will pull the Natural Vit E from "storage". |
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Location: Willows, CA | There are a many forms of Vitamin E, and they are not created equal. Tocopherol is the most common, and is added to feeds, primarily as a preservative, because of its anti oxidant value. It is available in both natural and synthetic forms, with the natural form considered by most people to be more effective. Another form of Vitamin E is Tocotrienol. These tend to be much more potent and better absorbed. Some tocotrienols are 1000 times as effective as tocopherol. You can find tocotrienols in properly stabilized rice bran, rice oil and palm oil. MaxEglo, Natural Glo, and also in the stabilized rice bran used in Renew Gold which uses the same stabilization technology, will provide significant amounts of both natural tocopherol, and tocotrienols. Raw rice bran, or extended life rice bran that uses a different process and solvent extracted rice bran oil will not have either form of vitamin E in any significant amount because it is destroyed both by heat and the rapid rancidity that those both suffer from. Adding additional vitamin E in the form of tocopherol may be necessary in the horse that the OP is discussing. For a diet that uses properly stabilized rice bran and quality forage, additional supplementation of Vitamin E should not be necessary though horses is selenium deficient area may benefit from additional E.
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Location: West Texas | I would consider the best and most absorbable vitamin E to be growing green pasture and fresh legume hay. If it is possible to add this, I feel that should be your first route (not to mention all of the other nutrients it will help provide).
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| Sadly that is why mine is deficient. I live in Wisconsin and our winters are so long my horses don't see green grass from October to almost June. This horse hasn't been able to be on pasture since August 2016. She just went out to pasture for an hour for the first time since then today. With all other aspects of her injury vitamin e was unfortunately the last thing discussed. Unfortunately now with being deficient she has another thing being thrown at her... Vitamin e is very important and needs to be considered for any horse, no matter what activity level, that is not on the green grass. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Tdove - 2018-05-23 1:36 PM I would consider the best and most absorbable vitamin E to be growing green pasture and fresh legume hay. If it is possible to add this, I feel that should be your first route (not to mention all of the other nutrients it will help provide).
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| Southtxponygirl - 2018-05-23 1:57 PM
Tdove - 2018-05-23 1:36 PM I would consider the best and most absorbable vitamin E to be growing green pasture and fresh legume hay. If it is possible to add this, I feel that should be your first route (not to mention all of the other nutrients it will help provide).
I think this is the best answer to the OP's question.
I already knew vitamin e comes from green grass. This horse couldn't be on pasture due to an injury and long winters for almost 2 years. When you don't have access to green grass and your horse is stressed that is when you run into problems. The problem was since she wasn't and received normal amounts of vitamin e just in feed and her vitamin mineral topdress she became deficient. She is not shedding and is muscle sore. Since I already know about vitamin e I am asking what are people's experiences with deficient horses... Not where I get it. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-05-23 2:05 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-05-23 1:57 PM Tdove - 2018-05-23 1:36 PM I would consider the best and most absorbable vitamin E to be growing green pasture and fresh legume hay. If it is possible to add this, I feel that should be your first route (not to mention all of the other nutrients it will help provide). I think this is the best answer to the OP's question. I already knew vitamin e comes from green grass. This horse couldn't be on pasture due to an injury and long winters for almost 2 years. When you don't have access to green grass and your horse is stressed that is when you run into problems. The problem was since she wasn't and received normal amounts of vitamin e just in feed and her vitamin mineral topdress she became deficient. She is not shedding and is muscle sore. Since I already know about vitamin e I am asking what are people's experiences with deficient horses... Not where I get it.
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| Southtxponygirl - 2018-05-23 2:11 PM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-05-23 2:05 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-05-23 1:57 PM Tdove - 2018-05-23 1:36 PM I would consider the best and most absorbable vitamin E to be growing green pasture and fresh legume hay. If it is possible to add this, I feel that should be your first route (not to mention all of the other nutrients it will help provide). I think this is the best answer to the OP's question. I already knew vitamin e comes from green grass. This horse couldn't be on pasture due to an injury and long winters for almost 2 years. When you don't have access to green grass and your horse is stressed that is when you run into problems. The problem was since she wasn't and received normal amounts of vitamin e just in feed and her vitamin mineral topdress she became deficient. She is not shedding and is muscle sore. Since I already know about vitamin e I am asking what are people's experiences with deficient horses... Not where I get it.
She is on magnesium. My hay is alfalfa mixed. Alfalfa hay, cubes and pellets loose a significant amount of vitamin e like grass hay. Anything that isn't fresh forage is deficient. |
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MOORMANS GROSTRONG MINERALS …
with whole oats and alfalfa as your base feeding program
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add 1/3 pound of chopped/rolled corn
If you want a blinding shine …
add a handful of WHOLE FLAX SEED
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2018-05-24 3:00 PMJust forget all of the magical supplements and feed a handful of this each day … thrown in their feed .. 25# loose <$33/bag .. MOORMANS GROSTRONG MINERALS … with whole oats and alfalfa as your base feeding program if horse needs more weight .. add 1/3 pound of chopped/rolled corn If you want a blinding shine … add a handful of WHOLE FLAX SEED If your horse is as deficient in vitamin e as mine they need an additional supplemental source to get their blood levels up quicker. Powdered vitamin e supplements can take close to 6 months. Either several hours of grass pasture or the water soluble liquid is the quickest according to my vet. Edited to add.... There is nothing wrong with my feed program. This is the case of a stressed horse due to recovering from an injury and no pasture for almost 2 years. I wish I would have had her on something extra but with all other aspects of her rehabilitation it was the last thought.
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2018-05-24 1:00 PM Just forget all of the magical supplements and feed a handful of this each day … thrown in their feed .. 25# loose <$33/bag .. MOORMANS GROSTRONG MINERALS … with whole oats and alfalfa as your base feeding program if horse needs more weight .. add 1/3 pound of chopped/rolled corn If you want a blinding shine … add a handful of WHOLE FLAX SEED
I remember when corn and corn oil was the way to go but, luckily we've learned a lot over the years about things called omega fatty acids. With it's high omega 6 (pro inflammatory) Corn is NOT something you want to feed for weight gain. Add calories and fat for that!
And I agree with what others have said when supplementation is needed, natural E is where it's at. And Elevate is a great product for that.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-05-22 6:31 PM
thanks for the replies. I've done everything possible for this horse. I bought her a magnawave semi machine and she is chiro regularly. Her treatment plan consists of elevate ws liquid vitamin e from Kentucky Performance products. I'm to give 12 ml (6000 iu) for 2 moths then retest. She could be on a high dose up to 3 months.
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Location: Winging It in KY | blueskies - 2018-05-27 8:33 PM Who makes Elevate?
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | What are you currently feeding this horse? or did I miss that? other then she is now back on pasture... was she body sore before being turned back out?
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| Bear - 2018-05-28 9:02 AM WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-05-22 6:31 PM thanks for the replies. I've done everything possible for this horse. I bought her a magnawave semi machine and she is chiro regularly. Her treatment plan consists of elevate ws liquid vitamin e from Kentucky Performance products. I'm to give 12 ml (6000 iu) for 2 moths then retest. She could be on a high dose up to 3 months. If you own a magnawave device, you shouldn’t need anything else.
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| cindyt - 2018-05-29 12:13 PM
What are you currently feeding this horse? or did I miss that? other then she is now back on pasture... was she body sore before being turned back out?
Triple crown low startch... Her feed has nothing to do with vitamin e deficiency. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-05-30 12:36 AM
Bear - 2018-05-28 9:02 AM WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-05-22 6:31 PM thanks for the replies. I've done everything possible for this horse. I bought her a magnawave semi machine and she is chiro regularly. Her treatment plan consists of elevate ws liquid vitamin e from Kentucky Performance products. I'm to give 12 ml (6000 iu) for 2 moths then retest. She could be on a high dose up to 3 months. If you own a magnawave device, you shouldn’t need anything else. Seriously.... You have no idea what I've gone through to try and get my horse back. I ran her last weekend for the first time in almost 2 years and she came up really sore. I've been to the vet every month for the last 2 years for her Lameness evals and other issues that arised not even related to the original injury. I was desperate and bought a magnawave to keep her muscles loose because she has a sacroiliac injury and psoas muscle strain from a fractured pelvis... Nothing can reach the psoas muscle because it is so deep below the pelvis. It's only detectable through a rectal ultrasound...some one asked if I chiro or massaged her that was part of my response to them... Blood, sweat and a hell of a lot tears. Your comment was uncalled for.
Well, I guess I would have tried the vitamin E before spending thousands of dollars on a magnawave machine. I feel your pain, but this sounds like a teachable moment for the rest of us. That’s the takeaway for me. |
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Location: mi | WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-05-21 8:29 PM I have a horse very deficient in vitamin E. She was on stall rest and dry lotted for almost 2 years due to an injury. She is not a shedding very well, has a lack of muscle tone even with being riden and seems to have some muscle soreness. She's being treated. What are you your experiences with very low vitamin E in horses and recovery. I know it takes a while...
Maybe if I quote you people might actually read what you are asking......... maybe you gave them too much info...... ..... maybe Highlight the line that says SHE'S BEING TREATED........... Just looking for recovery experiences. I have nothing to help but good luck and maybe when the next person comes on you will be the one that can help with the recovery experience since it doesn't seem to be very common. |
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I was thinking the same thing! She's not asking on how to treat, she's asking for experiences on recovery.... everyone is over eager to help with out really reading the full post! Good luck to the OP and I know who I'm going to go to if I ever run into the same problem. |
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| Bear - 2018-05-30 7:52 AM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-05-30 12:36 AM
Bear - 2018-05-28 9:02 AM WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-05-22 6:31 PM thanks for the replies. I've done everything possible for this horse. I bought her a magnawave semi machine and she is chiro regularly. Her treatment plan consists of elevate ws liquid vitamin e from Kentucky Performance products. I'm to give 12 ml (6000 iu) for 2 moths then retest. She could be on a high dose up to 3 months. If you own a magnawave device, you shouldn’t need anything else. Seriously.... You have no idea what I've gone through to try and get my horse back. I ran her last weekend for the first time in almost 2 years and she came up really sore. I've been to the vet every month for the last 2 years for her Lameness evals and other issues that arised not even related to the original injury. I was desperate and bought a magnawave to keep her muscles loose because she has a sacroiliac injury and psoas muscle strain from a fractured pelvis... Nothing can reach the psoas muscle because it is so deep below the pelvis. It's only detectable through a rectal ultrasound...some one asked if I chiro or massaged her that was part of my response to them... Blood, sweat and a hell of a lot tears. Your comment was uncalled for.
Well, I guess I would have tried the vitamin E before spending thousands of dollars on a magnawave machine. I feel your pain, but this sounds like a teachable moment for the rest of us. That’s the takeaway for me.
unbelievable... The rudeness continues. Vitamin e is one of the many things going on... What this post is about. I don't understand what has happened to this board. Maybe its why I see less and less new posts on here. People hide behind their keyboard and say stuff to people they wouldn't in real life. I'm defense because I have absolutely no reason to have to respond to your sarcastic rude remarks. I asked advice from people who have dealt with horses recovering from vitamin e deficiency... Not how to treat it and how to avoid the problem... Or explaining smart a$$ remarks about a magnawave... |
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| WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-05-30 11:57 AM
Huh? Read my original post. My horse is being treated. Maybe you shouldn't assume.
I don't think AJS is coming down on you, just trying to help get the answer you're wanting, not how to treat but the recovery question. |
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| FlyingJT - 2018-05-30 12:04 PM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-05-30 11:57 AM
Huh? Read my original post. My horse is being treated. Maybe you shouldn't assume.
I don't think AJS is coming down on you, just trying to help get the answer you're wanting, not how to treat but the recovery question.
Ok thanks.. After bears remark I kind of got defensive. I asked myself why did I even waste my time to post on here to get that kind of response. This horse is my once in a lifetime and to read that unneeded comment kind of ruffles my feathers because I have literally done all I can due for her with really good vets and rehabilitation yet other things totally unrelated pop up. I guess just a run of bad luck. |
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| Bear - 2018-05-30 7:52 AM
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Bear - 2018-05-28 9:02 AM WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-05-22 6:31 PM thanks for the replies. I've done everything possible for this horse. I bought her a magnawave semi machine and she is chiro regularly. Her treatment plan consists of elevate ws liquid vitamin e from Kentucky Performance products. I'm to give 12 ml (6000 iu) for 2 moths then retest. She could be on a high dose up to 3 months. If you own a magnawave device, you shouldn’t need anything else. Seriously.... You have no idea what I've gone through to try and get my horse back. I ran her last weekend for the first time in almost 2 years and she came up really sore. I've been to the vet every month for the last 2 years for her Lameness evals and other issues that arised not even related to the original injury. I was desperate and bought a magnawave to keep her muscles loose because she has a sacroiliac injury and psoas muscle strain from a fractured pelvis... Nothing can reach the psoas muscle because it is so deep below the pelvis. It's only detectable through a rectal ultrasound...some one asked if I chiro or massaged her that was part of my response to them... Blood, sweat and a hell of a lot tears. Your comment was uncalled for.
Well, I guess I would have tried the vitamin E before spending thousands of dollars on a magnawave machine. I feel your pain, but this sounds like a teachable moment for the rest of us. That’s the takeaway for me.
by the way... I bought the Magna wave for her fractured pelvis and sacroiliac injury... Not vitamin e!!!!!! I originally posted she was injured. Way to assume I'm an idiot. I appreciate it. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I dont think Bear was being rude he was giving his opinion like the rest of us that was just giving our opinion as well on Vit.E and other supplements, So sorry that some of us didnt give you the right answer that you were looking for sometimes our brains go into the help mode when we read a thread like yours and was not thinking about the recovery part of it, Like I say, sorry for offending you for not giving you the right answer, A thank you would have been good enough since you had to respond to some of us.. We understand your not in a happy place as alot of us have been in your shoes at one time or more, but dont get all bent out of shape when you dont get the answers you want or need. Bear is a good fella in my books and alot of others books too.
Its been two years you say, maybe try taking her to another vet for more advice on what to do for this horse, but dont get mad at us for giving our opinions on here, I wont post no more on this thread.
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| Southtxponygirl - 2018-05-30 12:37 PM
I dont think Bear was being rude he was giving his opinion like the rest of us that was just giving our opinion as well on Vit.E and other supplements, So sorry that some of us didnt give you the right answer that you were looking for sometimes our brains go into the help mode when we read a thread like yours and was not thinking about the recovery part of it, Like I say, sorry for defending you for not giving you the right answer, A thank you would have been good enough since you had to respond to some of us.. We understand your not in a happy place as alot of us have been in your shoes at one time or more, but dont get all bent out of shape when you dont get the answers you want or need. Bear is a good fella in my books and alot of others books too.
Its been two years you say, maybe try taking her to another vet for more advice on what to do for this horse, but dont get mad at us for giving our opinions on here, I wont post no more on this thread.
Hmm ok.. He went off about the Magna wave completely unrelated to the original post. I had no other problems with other comments. I said thanks and I greatly appreciate them the first part of the thread. I don't understand why I have to explain this to you. Also Sorry I wrote what I felt after his comment. Just like you state your mind. This is my thread and when someone posts a comment like that when I know his opinion on the magnawave I will point it out. He was making fun of it like I was an idiot for buying one and I don't need that. I've been trying to think outside the box to do what I can. When I say 2 years... Over 6 months was stall rest where I couldn't even hand walk her... She was a prisoner to her stall and a year and a half of slow rehabilitation because she was so weak.. I don't need a second opinion. Just because your horse isn't ready to run in a year doesn't mean they done. Some injuries take time to heal... Soft tissue is a good example. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-05-30 12:21 PM
Bear - 2018-05-30 7:52 AM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-05-30 12:36 AM
Bear - 2018-05-28 9:02 AM WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-05-22 6:31 PM thanks for the replies. I've done everything possible for this horse. I bought her a magnawave semi machine and she is chiro regularly. Her treatment plan consists of elevate ws liquid vitamin e from Kentucky Performance products. I'm to give 12 ml (6000 iu) for 2 moths then retest. She could be on a high dose up to 3 months. If you own a magnawave device, you shouldn’t need anything else. Seriously.... You have no idea what I've gone through to try and get my horse back. I ran her last weekend for the first time in almost 2 years and she came up really sore. I've been to the vet every month for the last 2 years for her Lameness evals and other issues that arised not even related to the original injury. I was desperate and bought a magnawave to keep her muscles loose because she has a sacroiliac injury and psoas muscle strain from a fractured pelvis... Nothing can reach the psoas muscle because it is so deep below the pelvis. It's only detectable through a rectal ultrasound...some one asked if I chiro or massaged her that was part of my response to them... Blood, sweat and a hell of a lot tears. Your comment was uncalled for.
Well, I guess I would have tried the vitamin E before spending thousands of dollars on a magnawave machine. I feel your pain, but this sounds like a teachable moment for the rest of us. That’s the takeaway for me. by the way... I bought the Magna wave for her fractured pelvis and sacroiliac injury... Not vitamin e!!!!!! I originally posted she was injured. Way to assume I'm an idiot. I appreciate it.
Well, that part wasn’t made known. You can obviously do whatever you want, but all I was trying to say, particularly to others, was to try the least expensive remedies first.....before buying a very expensive machine. I wish you would have clarified that.
Looking at the possibility of Vit E deficiency as a cause of the problem made some sense to me. It sounded like you jumped to the magnawave device first, and I was trying to give advice to others that it’s probably a better idea to explore potential causes for which an inexpensive remedy might be fortuitous......thus eliminating a several thousand dollar piece of equipment. It turns out that the magnawave machine didn’t produce the desired results either, but at least you own it and can try it for other issues that might arise in the future.
Part of the lesson here is that most of us have had at least that one very special horse. We are often times willing to spare no expense at finding solutions to their lameness or any other lameness.
There are entrepreneurs out there eager to “assist” you in that endeavor. It happens in human medicine as well.......where there are benevolent predators on the prowl. |
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thanks for the replies. I've done everything possible for this horse. I bought her a magnawave semi machine and she is chiro regularly. Her treatment plan consists of elevate ws liquid vitamin e from Kentucky Performance products. I'm to give 12 ml (6000 iu) for 2 moths then retest. She could be on a high dose up to 3 months.
If you own a magnawave device, you shouldn’t need anything else.
I don’t have a dog in this fight, so forgive me for butting in, but I read this exchange earlier and thought, “That was unnecessary.” I know two people liked it, which goes to show the diversity of opinion on this board, but I’m not sure how the OP was supposed to take it other than as a dig?
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| cloverleaf - 2018-05-30 4:28 PM
Bear - 2018-05-28 9:02 AM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-05-22 6:31 PM
thanks for the replies. I've done everything possible for this horse. I bought her a magnawave semi machine and she is chiro regularly. Her treatment plan consists of elevate ws liquid vitamin e from Kentucky Performance products. I'm to give 12 ml (6000 iu) for 2 moths then retest. She could be on a high dose up to 3 months.
If you own a magnawave device, you shouldn’t need anything else.
I don’t have a dog in this fight, so forgive me for butting in, but I read this exchange earlier and thought, “That was unnecessary.” I know two people liked it, which goes to show the diversity of opinion on this board, but I’m not sure how the OP was supposed to take it other than as a dig?
I’ve loved horses my whole life and I can’t imagine making fun of someone for trying to help their horse, even if I didn’t agree with their methods.
Thanks. I appreciate that actually. But obviously as he posted above he was "giving good advice" not being a smart a$$. Whatever, any logical person can see that as a jab not advice. If a person doesn't understand why I got bothered by that then maybe they need to step away from the computer and talk to people in person the way they talk on this board and see what kind of reaction they get.... I really don't care anymore because they don't know my story anyways. I should of probably just shrugged it off as words on a computer not a person talking to me. |
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| cloverleaf - 2018-05-30 5:06 PM
Maybe this is another teachable moment . . .
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I’m sorry about the wisecrack regarding your purchase of a magnawave. Shame on me.
This thread caught my attention because of the title.
So you have a horse who suffered a pelvic fracture and a sacroiliac injury (presumably in addition to the pelvic fracture), but you didn’t reveal that until very late in the thread. All I knew was he was injured, requiring him to be confined for two years. All this seemingly complicated by Vit E deficiency. Telling us the nature of the injury (pelvic fracture) requiring confinement for two years would have been useful to anyone interested in giving advice.
Had I known you bought this $10,000-20,000 (or whatever) piece of machinery because of the pelvic fracture, I probably wouldn’t have said anything.....even though I think they are of limited benefit.
As it turns out, it doesn’t sound like it helped very much.
So now you are 2 years following a horrible injury to a horse you very much love, and the disappointments seem to just keep coming.
At this point, what do you consider a realistic goal? What have the vets told you about prognosis?
There’s a lot to learn here.....at least I hope so.
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| Bear - 2018-05-30 10:42 PMI’m sorry about the wisecrack regarding your purchase of a magnawave. Shame on me.This thread caught my attention because of the title. So you have a horse who suffered a pelvic fracture and a sacroiliac injury (presumably in addition to the pelvic fracture), but you didn’t reveal that until very late in the thread. All I knew was he was injured, requiring him to be confined for two years. All this seemingly complicated by Vit E deficiency. Telling us the nature of the injury (pelvic fracture) requiring confinement for two years would have been useful to anyone interested in giving advice.Had I known you bought this $10,000-20,000 (or whatever) piece of machinery because of the pelvic fracture, I probably wouldn’t have said anything.....even though I think they are of limited benefit.As it turns out, it doesn’t sound like it helped very much. So now you are 2 years following a horrible injury to a horse you very much love, and the disappointments seem to just keep coming.At this point, what do you consider a realistic goal? What have the vets told you about prognosis?There’s a lot to learn here.....at least I hope so. Why do you care? Your responses are so arrogant. I've spent an embarrassing amount on this horse in vet bills but she has also won me it when she is healthy. It's no one's business but mine. I don't have any reason to continue to talk to you. Your continuing response is strictly about one comment about me having a flipping magnawave making me out to be one of those people that think it was a miracle machine... I never said that. Please move along and stop worrying about what I do with my horse or if I spent a large amount of money.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-05-30 10:57 PM
Bear - 2018-05-30 10:42 PMI’m sorry about the wisecrack regarding your purchase of a magnawave. Shame on me.This thread caught my attention because of the title. So you have a horse who suffered a pelvic fracture and a sacroiliac injury (presumably in addition to the pelvic fracture), but you didn’t reveal that until very late in the thread. All I knew was he was injured, requiring him to be confined for two years. All this seemingly complicated by Vit E deficiency. Telling us the nature of the injury (pelvic fracture) requiring confinement for two years would have been useful to anyone interested in giving advice.Had I known you bought this $10,000-20,000 (or whatever) piece of machinery because of the pelvic fracture, I probably wouldn’t have said anything.....even though I think they are of limited benefit.As it turns out, it doesn’t sound like it helped very much. So now you are 2 years following a horrible injury to a horse you very much love, and the disappointments seem to just keep coming.At this point, what do you consider a realistic goal? What have the vets told you about prognosis?There’s a lot to learn here.....at least I hope so. Why do you care? Your responses are so arrogant. I've spent an embarrassing amount on this horse in vet bills but she has also won me it when she is healthy. It's no one's business but mine. I don't have any reason to continue to talk to you. Your continuing response is strictly about one comment about me having a flipping magnawave making me out to be one of those people that think it was a miracle machine... I never said that. Please move along and stop worrying about what I do with my horse or if I spent a large amount of money.
Look, I apologized, and I meant it. Evidently you won’t accept that.
I didn’t say you claimed it was a miracle machine. Most of us are prone to making decisions like that when dealing with a very special animal, and most of us have a very hard time taking a step back and
struggling with a difficult, but realistic decision under these circumstances. I don’t have the answer for overcoming emotionally charged dilemmas like yours. It’s hard to flip that switch.
That’s why I asked what the vets told you regarding prognosis and your goals going forward.
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| Bear - 2018-05-30 11:21 PM WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-05-30 10:57 PM Bear - 2018-05-30 10:42 PMI’m sorry about the wisecrack regarding your purchase of a magnawave. Shame on me.This thread caught my attention because of the title. So you have a horse who suffered a pelvic fracture and a sacroiliac injury (presumably in addition to the pelvic fracture), but you didn’t reveal that until very late in the thread. All I knew was he was injured, requiring him to be confined for two years. All this seemingly complicated by Vit E deficiency. Telling us the nature of the injury (pelvic fracture) requiring confinement for two years would have been useful to anyone interested in giving advice.Had I known you bought this $10,000-20,000 (or whatever) piece of machinery because of the pelvic fracture, I probably wouldn’t have said anything.....even though I think they are of limited benefit.As it turns out, it doesn’t sound like it helped very much. So now you are 2 years following a horrible injury to a horse you very much love, and the disappointments seem to just keep coming.At this point, what do you consider a realistic goal? What have the vets told you about prognosis?There’s a lot to learn here.....at least I hope so. Why do you care? Your responses are so arrogant. I've spent an embarrassing amount on this horse in vet bills but she has also won me it when she is healthy. It's no one's business but mine. I don't have any reason to continue to talk to you. Your continuing response is strictly about one comment about me having a flipping magnawave making me out to be one of those people that think it was a miracle machine... I never said that. Please move along and stop worrying about what I do with my horse or if I spent a large amount of money. Look, I apologized, and I meant it. Evidently you won’t accept that.I didn’t say you claimed it was a miracle machine. Most of us are prone to making decisions like that when dealing with a very special animal, and most of us have a very hard time taking a step back and struggling with a difficult, but realistic decision under these circumstances. I don’t have the answer for overcoming emotionally charged dilemmas like yours. It’s hard to flip that switch. That’s why I asked what the vets told you regarding prognosis and your goals going forward. I honestly do feel bad for you.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | runningk - 2018-06-01 6:47 PM
You just can't help some people.
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | I read your post .I came across a face book page called... hoof rehab help...there was a discussing about to much iron in the diet is why a horse won't shed.the page has a diet sticky that I think will help you fix your horse not just for the hoof. HOOF REHAB HELP...facebook. |
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| Bear - 2018-06-01 10:02 PM
runningk - 2018-06-01 6:47 PM
You just can't help some people.
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| cow pie - 2018-06-03 8:57 AM
I read your post .I came across a face book page called... hoof rehab help...there was a discussing about to much iron in the diet is why a horse won't shed.the page has a diet sticky that I think will help you fix your horse not just for the hoof. HOOF REHAB HELP...facebook.
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| We have a 3 year old that got really mean, would kick at us when we tried to pick up her back feet, and went from a nice riding horse to a bronc. The vet suggested putting her on Vitamin E and she is completely a new animal! We can pet and brush her back and she even let the farrier pick up and trim both hinds this morning.
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Location: IL | RunninForHome - 2018-06-05 3:42 PM We have a 3 year old that got really mean, would kick at us when we tried to pick up her back feet, and went from a nice riding horse to a bronc. The vet suggested putting her on Vitamin E and she is completely a new animal! We can pet and brush her back and she even let the farrier pick up and trim both hinds this morning. When treating for back soreness, how long was your horse on it? Is it a lifetime thing?
How long ago did you start treating your horse? I'm wondering how long until I see results from the vitamin E. I have been giving liquid Elevate. I really hope this helps my mare. My mare tested at 117 and normal range is 200-1000, if I remember right. |
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BARRELHORSE USA - 2018-05-24 3:00 PMJust forget all of the magical supplements and feed a handful of this each day … thrown in their feed .. 25# loose <$33/bag .. MOORMANS GROSTRONG MINERALS … with whole oats and alfalfa as your base feeding program if horse needs more weight .. add 1/3 pound of chopped/rolled corn If you want a blinding shine … add a handful of WHOLE FLAX SEED If your horse is as deficient in vitamin e as mine they need an additional supplemental source to get their blood levels up quicker. Powdered vitamin e supplements can take close to 6 months. Either several hours of grass pasture or the water soluble liquid is the quickest according to my vet. Edited to add.... There is nothing wrong with my feed program. This is the case of a stressed horse due to recovering from an injury and no pasture for almost 2 years. I wish I would have had her on something extra but with all other aspects of her rehabilitation it was the last thought.
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The key to the GroStrong is simple ..
It is designed with the right amount of vitamins and how the minerals are
processed to act as a catalyst to each other to expedite the absorption
by the horses digestive system.
Vitamin E needs some fat for the digestive system to absorb it. Vitamin E deficiency
can cause nerve and muscle damage that results in loss of feeling in the neck and
legs, loss of body movement control, muscle weakness, and vision problems.
Another sign of deficiency is a weakened immune system.
Since you are concentrating on Vitamin E and it requires fat food to become soluble ..
Include 8 ounces/day of WHOLE FLAX SEED in your feeding program ..
As far as your muscle soreness and atrophy .. this mare needs to be turned
out in the biggest pasture you have for a year+ in order to regain her muscles
and muscle control and fed by herself … by exercising the way she feels from day to day.
You are not going to be able to use forced exercise or riding to make this
happen.
Your job now is to get her body's digestive system back to absorbing
all of her needed minerals / vitamins and not with a syringe.
I WISH YOU WELL AND GOOD LUCK!!
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| merdth6 - 2018-06-05 2:55 PM
How deficient was your horse? I have one that we did a blood test on for back soreness and she was really deficient.
Yours was as bad as Mine! My horse was 103. They said I need to retest in 2 months. They said I should notice a difference in a few days weeks and she will need to be on the liquid for 3 months or so. This shouldn't be life long since she is back out on pasture and not confined to a stall. I do think I will be giving her the maintenance elevate e powder over the winter tho on years to come. |
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| RunninForHome - 2018-06-05 3:42 PM
We have a 3 year old that got really mean, would kick at us when we tried to pick up her back feet, and went from a nice riding horse to a bronc. The vet suggested putting her on Vitamin E and she is completely a new animal! We can pet and brush her back and she even let the farrier pick up and trim both hinds this morning.
When treating for back soreness, how long was your horse on it? Is it a lifetime thing?
That is great to know!!! I haven't tried riding her yet because I am giving her some time off so I am not sure about the saddling discomfort but she seems happier all around now. |
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2018-06-05 4:52 PM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-05-24 6:30 PM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2018-05-24 3:00 PMJust forget all of the magical supplements and feed a handful of this each day … thrown in their feed .. 25# loose <$33/bag .. MOORMANS GROSTRONG MINERALS … with whole oats and alfalfa as your base feeding program if horse needs more weight .. add 1/3 pound of chopped/rolled corn If you want a blinding shine … add a handful of WHOLE FLAX SEED If your horse is as deficient in vitamin e as mine they need an additional supplemental source to get their blood levels up quicker. Powdered vitamin e supplements can take close to 6 months. Either several hours of grass pasture or the water soluble liquid is the quickest according to my vet. Edited to add.... There is nothing wrong with my feed program. This is the case of a stressed horse due to recovering from an injury and no pasture for almost 2 years. I wish I would have had her on something extra but with all other aspects of her rehabilitation it was the last thought.
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The key to the GroStrong is simple ..
It is designed with the right amount of vitamins and how the minerals are
processed to act as a catalyst to each other to expedite the absorption
by the horses digestive system.
Vitamin E needs some fat for the digestive system to absorb it. Vitamin E deficiency
can cause nerve and muscle damage that results in loss of feeling in the neck and
legs, loss of body movement control, muscle weakness, and vision problems.
Another sign of deficiency is a weakened immune system.
Since you are concentrating on Vitamin E and it requires fat food to become soluble ..
Include 8 ounces/day of WHOLE FLAX SEED in your feeding program ..
As far as your muscle soreness and atrophy .. this mare needs to be turned
out in the biggest pasture you have for a year+ in order to regain her muscles
and muscle control and fed by herself … by exercising the way she feels from day to day.
You are not going to be able to use forced exercise or riding to make this
happen.
Your job now is to get her body's digestive system back to absorbing
all of her needed minerals / vitamins and not with a syringe.
I WISH YOU WELL AND GOOD LUCK!!
Thanks I appreciate it and you are right the pasture is the best place for her. I will definitely add more fat. |
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Location: IL | WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-06-05 5:57 PM merdth6 - 2018-06-05 2:55 PM How deficient was your horse? I have one that we did a blood test on for back soreness and she was really deficient. Yours was as bad as Mine! My horse was 103. They said I need to retest in 2 months. They said I should notice a difference in a few days weeks and she will need to be on the liquid for 3 months or so. This shouldn't be life long since she is back out on pasture and not confined to a stall. I do think I will be giving her the maintenance elevate e powder over the winter tho on years to come.
I am also going to put her on the Elevate powder after I'm done with the liquid. I rode her yesterday and she does seem better. How long did you vet say it was gonna take to get levels back up again? I've also been turning her out on grass a lot. |
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| merdth6 - 2018-06-06 9:05 AM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-06-05 5:57 PM merdth6 - 2018-06-05 2:55 PM How deficient was your horse? I have one that we did a blood test on for back soreness and she was really deficient. Yours was as bad as Mine! My horse was 103. They said I need to retest in 2 months. They said I should notice a difference in a few days weeks and she will need to be on the liquid for 3 months or so. This shouldn't be life long since she is back out on pasture and not confined to a stall. I do think I will be giving her the maintenance elevate e powder over the winter tho on years to come.
I've been treating for a month. I'll retest in another month. He said it could take 3 months. Hopefully!!! |
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Location: IL | WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-06-06 2:15 PM merdth6 - 2018-06-06 9:05 AM WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-06-05 5:57 PM merdth6 - 2018-06-05 2:55 PM How deficient was your horse? I have one that we did a blood test on for back soreness and she was really deficient. Yours was as bad as Mine! My horse was 103. They said I need to retest in 2 months. They said I should notice a difference in a few days weeks and she will need to be on the liquid for 3 months or so. This shouldn't be life long since she is back out on pasture and not confined to a stall. I do think I will be giving her the maintenance elevate e powder over the winter tho on years to come. I've been treating for a month. I'll retest in another month. He said it could take 3 months. Hopefully!!!
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