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Location: USA | I need ideas. Horses back feet keep chipping. Farrier can hardly get nails in because the hoof wall keeps chipping away. No white line disease. He does add glue but it ends up coming off. She came from a pretty humid environment and it's pretty dry where I live. I was going to order some cloud boots for her to help preserve the hoof. Any other ideas? She stays out on pasture becuase it's mentally better for her. I can keep her up in a stall if I need to. |
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Location: North Texas | Perhaps biotin added to the diet in an effort to improve hoof growth. |
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| It could be she just has bad feet but it also could be she's lacking something in her diet which you can help with. Sounds like she needs some Biotin,
l-Methionine, l-Lysine. I would recommend TLC Mega Hoof Complex. You can DM me with any questions or pricing info. |
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| Are the chips and lines horizontal or vertical? Quarter cracks(heel) or toe cracks? |
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Location: North Dakota | Movement is certinaly better than standing. Movement is how they get proper blood flow to their feet. Shoes restrict that blood flow already so I wouldn't keep her up plus the shoes, I would imagine that won't help any of the issues. Depending on what you already feed, something could be changed there but it will be 9-12 months before the good hoof growth is down to where you need it do be. For the time being, I would personally take shoes off, put fly boots on so they don't stomp flies and apply a hoof moisturizer like hoof alive or mane and tail's hoof maker to help retain any moisture in the foot. |
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| I would forgo shoes, make sure she is getting a balanced ration including the micros needed for proper hoof growth. I would make sure your trimmer is putting a good mustang roll on her feet to help prevent the chipping.
It’s a lengthy process to grow a new foot, be patient and stick with it. |
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| I'd start with a good hoof dressing.
https://www.su-perstore.com/m7/shohoofdressing--su-per-hoof-dressing...
HELPS MAINTAIN HEALTHY HOOF STRUCTURE, PLIABILITY, AND STRENGTH!
Formulated with pine tar and other natural, deep penetrating oils and vitamins for hard, dry brittle hooves. Helps condition the hoof. The quart size comes in a can with a heavy duty brush. The quart can with brush is also sold separately. Clean horses hooves thoroughly, then apply with a brush. Cover the entire hoof, working well into the hairline and around the frog. Apply every other day under normal conditions. May be used daily during dry weather.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Pictures would help. |
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Location: Claremore, OK | Dreamingofcans - 2018-06-06 7:11 AM
I need ideas. Horses back feet keep chipping. Farrier can hardly get nails in because the hoof wall keeps chipping away. No white line disease. He does add glue but it ends up coming off. She came from a pretty humid environment and it's pretty dry where I live. I was going to order some cloud boots for her to help preserve the hoof. Any other ideas? She stays out on pasture becuase it's mentally better for her. I can keep her up in a stall if I need to.
This happens with chronic hock soreness. They set their foot down more on the outside of the foot instead of level. They end up chipping the wall, usually more on the outside.
and torqueing the shoe off. |
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Location: Roping pen | Change shoers.
Way to many variables for me to formulate any other opinion. If they can't bring experience and education to help the problem, I would change shoers.
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Location: USA | FlyingJT - 2018-06-06 9:50 AM Are the chips and lines horizontal or vertical? Quarter cracks(heel) or toe cracks?
They’re wherever the farrier puts in the nails. He even tried copper nails bc the other ones have a coating he was thinking was possibly irritating the hoof wall |
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Location: USA | Spin Doctor - 2018-06-06 4:35 PM
Change shoers.
Way to many variables for me to formulate any other opinion. If they can't bring experience and education to help the problem, I would change shoers.
He has. I’m trying to get ideas elsewhere from people who have possibly had experience with this. |
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Location: USA | Liana D - 2018-06-06 2:18 PM
Dreamingofcans - 2018-06-06 7:11 AM
I need ideas. Horses back feet keep chipping. Farrier can hardly get nails in because the hoof wall keeps chipping away. No white line disease. He does add glue but it ends up coming off. She came from a pretty humid environment and it's pretty dry where I live. I was going to order some cloud boots for her to help preserve the hoof. Any other ideas? She stays out on pasture becuase it's mentally better for her. I can keep her up in a stall if I need to.
This happens with chronic hock soreness. They set their foot down more on the outside of the foot instead of level. They end up chipping the wall, usually more on the outside.
and torqueing the shoe off.
She’s been vetted by OE and XX equine |
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Location: USA | Southtxponygirl - 2018-06-06 11:35 AM
Pictures would help.
Yeah I can’t ever get those suckers to load |
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Location: USA | RedHead84 - 2018-06-06 8:04 AM It could be she just has bad feet but it also could be she's lacking something in her diet which you can help with. Sounds like she needs some Biotin, l-Methionine, l-Lysine. I would recommend TLC Mega Hoof Complex. You can DM me with any questions or pricing info.
She gets lysine bc she gets fed oats. Isn’t methionine found in alfalfa? I do think biotin would help |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Dreamingofcans - 2018-06-06 5:38 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-06-06 11:35 AM Pictures would help. Yeah I can’t ever get those suckers to load
I'll pm you my email and send a few to me and i'll try to load them on here for you. |
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Location: Mountains of VA | Start using Keratex and try leaving the shoes off for 6 weeks. Keep her turned out. |
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| Although there is Methionine in alfalfa, it's actually pretty low levels. Methionine is a sulfur amino acid and is necessary for skin, hair and hooves. It's one of the most important sulfur amino acids. The only reason I am aware of this is because I have to deal with Selenium at my home which depletes sulfur levels.
Methionine is also one of the most common lacking amino acids in a horses diet. You cannot feed MSM to increase it even though its an organic form of sulfur. A horses body can't create Methionine out of it.
I think you should really consider supplementing it. I actually use Hoof and Hair Guard(that's the brand), its what I found that has the highest mg per pound that also didn't try to use MSM. I really like it. It also has Biotin and Lysine in it, so you could probably just use one product for all the supplements.
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Location: Slipping down the slope of old age. Boo hoo. | Some horses have bad hooves due to genetics and it will always be a battle to keep their feet in decent shape. With that said, feeding a good balanced diet is important. A feed like Strategy or Safe Choice are balanced rations (if you feed by horse weight and weigh feed) these feeds provide the nutrients horses need. Next up - use a really good hoof oil daily - applying at least once a day -- twice is best. And - if you live in an area that has lots of horse flies - keep the horse sprayed down or under a fan to stop the foot stomping.... folks often do not realize how much damage flies/foot stomping do to a horse's hooves. I have a mare that has bad hooves -- genetics, but through the years I've managed to 'manage' her issue with a balanced feed, hoof treatments and keeping the flies off her. I've owned her 12 years and she makes it to 5 weeks with all four shoes on -- this is a huge win as when I first bought her shoes flew daily it seemed.... Her feet are not better -- I just learned how to manage them..... |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Bumping this back up so maybe Dreamingofcans will see that I will post pictures for her. Hoping to hear from her so we can get some pictures up for her and maybe someone will have a good ideal on how to help her out.  |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | She did get/read my pm on the 6th, so I'm hoping she is ok.
Edited by Southtxponygirl 2018-06-08 9:56 AM
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Location: USA | Southtxponygirl I did get your message! Sorry I had been at work and wasn’t able to get pics. I bought this horse back in September and she came from a pretty humid climate. I changed her feed when I bought her (gradually) because I cant feed processed feeds. I have a horse who is deathly allergic to soy and I refuse to have any feed or supplements with soy in it for safety issues. I have a non-horsey husband who sometimes feeds for me and I don’t want to run the risk of the horse who’s allergic to accidentally get fed soy. Well, my farrier came out to tack her shoe back on. He looked at the shoe and could tell from how the nails were bent that she was most likely stomping from the flies and stomped her shoe off. He was able to get the shoe tacked on and the hoof wall actually didn’t chip this time. I got to looking at her feet and you can see where the new growth is from when her feed changed. She’s apparently a very slow grower which is why my farrier has only shod her 3 times in 9 months. So I think everything combined: dry climate and stomping from flies really did a number on her. Her new growth looks good but it’s not anywhere near the nail holes so maybe in a couple of months I’ll see how it holds up with a new set of shoes. I did get her some shoofly leggings and rear cloud boots... so hopefully this will help. Thank you everyone for your responses!! Y’all are awesome and so helpful. I want to see if this will help first and see if her new growth is better when she gets shod. She just grows soooo slow! |
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Back hooves keep chipping, losing shoes