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| So I was feeling a bit discouraged the other day when the horse I liked didn't do the best on the pre purchase exam. My trainer and I drove 10 min yesterday to see another one. He's a BIG gelding, just turned 8. Came from out west. SUPER fancy broke, and safe (which is what I want). Owner was very nice, and she seems very honest. She said she's taken lessons with him all winter, and he's only ridden a few times a month now, due to having kids, etc. They are asking $8k for him, which is over my budget. My budget is $7,500. They said the lowest they will take is $7,300, which works. My question is, how do you value a prospect? His owner is not a barrel racer, and he has trotted them maybe twice. This horse has been roped off of, and has done the extreme ranch riding/rodeo ( I don't know anything about that). He's very quiet, and is a gentle giant. Has tracked the hot heels. I know that as a prospect no one really knows how a horse will do on the barrels, but I'm worried that if he vets sound I'm going to be buying a deluxe trail horse..maybe I'm just overthinking things. I need a horse that will help me with my confidence, BUT I'm not looking for a trail horse. If I was, I would not be spending $7,300.
My mind is in a million different places, and I could just be over thinking everything..
I thought I wanted a 3-4yo but I don't. The ones we looked at did not have a solid foundation/basics. I like a lot about this horse I looked at yesterday, his temperament, demeanor, he's very comfy, willing to please, but has not seen the pattern. My trainer says she's not worried about that, as she said she can put the pattern on anything.
If a horse is a big horse, big feet, does it mean they won't be good at barrel racing? Or if they are kind of "slow" doing arena work, does that mean they won't be good at barrel racing?
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Location: Claremore, OK | You’re trainer should be able to evaluate how athletic and willing their horse is.
The next question is, how competitive do you want to be ? Do you went to be able to place in the 1/2d ?
If you’re not worried about being in the 1d, then you’re trainer saying she can put a pattern on anything doesn’t worry me so much.
I wouldn’t worry so much about the price if he checks all the boxes unless you’ll want to sell him if he doesn’t work out. | |
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| Not directly related to your question, but I bought a big, gentle giant a couple of years ago. He was already finished, but he’s a babysitter horse for me. Safe, safe, HUGE, and surprisingly fast and athletic.
Sounds like a good horse to me, if your trainer has confidence in the horse, it may be a great fit! GOOD LUCK!!!!! | |
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Location: "Si Fi" Ville | If I had your dilemma, first I would make a list in order of importance. I would have my top five NONnegotiables. These would be the MUSTHAVES that my new horse must have. You will be the one ultimately riding and caring for him.
I noticed that one of your main concerns is a confidence builder. I am 100% behind that thought. There is nothing worse than owning a horse that scares you, could possibly hurt you, and or kills your confidence. There is nothing better than a horse you enjoy and can’t wait to go ride. As far as training him on the pattern, your trainer felt confident, after all he is super fancy broke. Most barrel races are 4 to 5 D. That leaves a lot of places to land.
You had some concerns about size. I know a lady that has a brother to a colt I have that is 17.2 and 1460 lbs. He’s won several races and futurities.
Two of my must haves, good mind and big heart.
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We send off videos to a few different performance vets including one at a race track and we know a lady that consistently makes winners so we also send her a vid or two for her opinion.
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| Liana D - 2018-06-09 1:29 PM
You’re trainer should be able to evaluate how athletic and willing their horse is.
The next question is, how competitive do you want to be ? Do you went to be able to place in the 1/2d ?
If you’re not worried about being in the 1d, then you’re trainer saying she can put a pattern on anything doesn’t worry me so much.
I wouldn’t worry so much about the price if he checks all the boxes unless you’ll want to sell him if he doesn’t work out.
Thank you! She has been very helpful, and I'm appreciative to have her guidance. I would like to be competitive in my area eventually. A solid 2d eventually would be nice. A couple of the 3yo's I tried made me nervous. They didn't do anything wrong, I'm just not as confident as I used to be I guess. I'm not ready for a 3yo. | |
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| joemama - 2018-06-09 4:09 PM
Has your trainer produced winning horses from the ground up?
We send off videos to a few different performance vets including one at a race track and we know a lady that consistently makes winners so we also send her a vid or two for her opinion.
Nothing beats (good) experience in my opinion.
She was just offered 6 figures for one of her personal horses whom she trained herself from an unbroke 2yo. She doesn't really buy and sell horses, so I don't know much about any horses she has trained besides the one she has now. Her motto is sound and sane. | |
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| dRowe - 2018-06-09 2:12 PM
Not directly related to your question, but I bought a big, gentle giant a couple of years ago. He was already finished, but he’s a babysitter horse for me. Safe, safe, HUGE, and surprisingly fast and athletic.
Sounds like a good horse to me, if your trainer has confidence in the horse, it may be a great fit! GOOD LUCK!!!!!
She's honest with me in saying that she doesn't truly know if any horses will become a great barrel horse, and there are no guarantees. | |
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So I was feeling a bit discouraged the other day when the horse I liked didn't do the best on the pre purchase exam. My trainer and I drove 10 min yesterday to see another one. He's a BIG gelding, just turned 8. Came from out west. SUPER fancy broke, and safe (which is what I want). Owner was very nice, and she seems very honest. She said she's taken lessons with him all winter, and he's only ridden a few times a month now, due to having kids, etc. They are asking $8k for him, which is over my budget. My budget is $7,500. They said the lowest they will take is $7,300, which works. My question is, how do you value a prospect? His owner is not a barrel racer, and he has trotted them maybe twice. This horse has been roped off of, and has done the extreme ranch riding/rodeo ( I don't know anything about that). He's very quiet, and is a gentle giant. Has tracked the hot heels. I know that as a prospect no one really knows how a horse will do on the barrels, but I'm worried that if he vets sound I'm going to be buying a deluxe trail horse..maybe I'm just overthinking things. I need a horse that will help me with my confidence, BUT I'm not looking for a trail horse. If I was, I would not be spending $7,300.
My mind is in a million different places, and I could just be over thinking everything..
I thought I wanted a 3-4yo but I don't. The ones we looked at did not have a solid foundation/basics. I like a lot about this horse I looked at yesterday, his temperament, demeanor, he's very comfy, willing to please, but has not seen the pattern. My trainer says she's not worried about that, as she said she can put the pattern on anything.
If a horse is a big horse, big feet, does it mean they won't be good at barrel racing? Or if they are kind of "slow" doing arena work, does that mean they won't be good at barrel racing?
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PUT YOUR MONEY BACK IN YOUR POCKET ..
When you have your hope's dashed on purchase of one horse and then you
start trying to talk yourself into another horse that does not meet your present
criteria … it is time to stand still and do nothing.
Re-think your quest for a horse that will bring your confidence level back in the
event you would like to participate in.
If you had a daughter that felt great riding a schooling horse and was begging
for a faster or automatic patterned steady never fail good natured horse to
step up her game. WHAT WOULD YOU DO??
IMO you would start looking for a reliable horse that another kid owns and is now
asking for more speed that would be the perfect step up horse for YOU (r daughter)..
Take your hunt to the youth events and find you a solid 12-16 year old grade or
registered horse that will not have any surprises. The great thing about these horses
is they can't run fast enough to hurt themselves so most are as sound as a rock and
easy to sell once your confidence returns and your butt is telling your brain that
it would like to be sitting on a faster horse and it is time to make the move to
buy a faster horse you really like at first meeting ..
Right now, pick you out a horse that you feel you will out grow in the next year
and one that you don't have to train for a specific event since you are not as
aggressive as you once were.
Any trainer is going to pick one out that requires
some training because that is how they make their living. What you want your
trainer to do is … concentrate on YOU to get your automatic riding reflexes back
in order and you get some automatic muscle memory as you ride this horse
that has been a step up for a tuff upcoming youth rider.
After you get this youth horse … get out of the arena and ride a lot of pasture and
go find a group to ride trails with for hours … this is where your butt gets connected
to your brain and every thing falls in place … you need to make lots of wet
saddle blankets to get your confidence back. Which will return much faster the
more hours you spend on horse back and enjoying open country and other riders
company.
I looked on youtube for the extreme horse group thingy you mentioned …
It looks like a fun group of local primarily non-pro ranches and cowboys
doing ranch rodeo events with a lot of country fair activities and bull riding
rodeo as their big draw. Lots of ranch work events along with some ruff stock.
I had to grin when I found this horse which matches the description you gave
to a Tee on a video. Nice looking, well trained for many things but not solid
in any type of event. It would be a shame to take a horse like this and undo
all the training he shows and untrain him to run one speed event …
Look in the comment section for their asking price for this pretty boy ..
https://youtu.be/5lGreKKS-Rs
BEST WISHES AND GOOD LUCK ..
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| Your post said "something to help you with your confidence", so I would not go with anything that wasn't already started on the pattern and going.
What I would do is keep saving until you had about 10k or so and then purchase a 4-5yr old thats just not making the futurity cut. Sometimes those turn into gems after a few years of taking it slow in the 2-3D and then later in life they sometimes pick up for you or if they don't you can still sale for a very good price espeically if they are sane sound and consistent.
Buy something that is an investment and will gain in value. To me buying something older that might not even wanna turn 3 is for you is definitely not an investment its a big gamble on just having a horse with a bunch of buttons but can't lope the pattern correctly and easily. Your friend said she can put anything on the pattern, and I believe anything can be taught the pattern BUT theres a big difference in ability/want to vs. just knowing the pattern. Older horses are always a bigger gamble.
So either save for something started or buy now and pay a trainer to put the basics on one then your friend can start it when its ready. IF you buy a prospect and then have it broke it's not as much up front costs but you'll have to pay a monthly training bill on it.
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Location: Oakdale, CA | BARRELHORSE USA - 2018-06-09 10:09 PM emricmacy - 2018-06-09 12:29 PM So I was feeling a bit discouraged the other day when the horse I liked didn't do the best on the pre purchase exam. My trainer and I drove 10 min yesterday to see another one. He's a BIG gelding, just turned 8. Came from out west. SUPER fancy broke, and safe (which is what I want). Owner was very nice, and she seems very honest. She said she's taken lessons with him all winter, and he's only ridden a few times a month now, due to having kids, etc. They are asking $8k for him, which is over my budget. My budget is $7,500. They said the lowest they will take is $7,300, which works. My question is, how do you value a prospect? His owner is not a barrel racer, and he has trotted them maybe twice. This horse has been roped off of, and has done the extreme ranch riding/rodeo ( I don't know anything about that). He's very quiet, and is a gentle giant. Has tracked the hot heels. I know that as a prospect no one really knows how a horse will do on the barrels, but I'm worried that if he vets sound I'm going to be buying a deluxe trail horse..maybe I'm just overthinking things. I need a horse that will help me with my confidence, BUT I'm not looking for a trail horse. If I was, I would not be spending $7,300. My mind is in a million different places, and I could just be over thinking everything.. I thought I wanted a 3-4yo but I don't. The ones we looked at did not have a solid foundation/basics. I like a lot about this horse I looked at yesterday, his temperament, demeanor, he's very comfy, willing to please, but has not seen the pattern. My trainer says she's not worried about that, as she said she can put the pattern on anything. If a horse is a big horse, big feet, does it mean they won't be good at barrel racing? Or if they are kind of "slow" doing arena work, does that mean they won't be good at barrel racing? ******************************************************* ******************************************************* PUT YOUR MONEY BACK IN YOUR POCKET .. When you have your hope's dashed on purchase of one horse and then you start trying to talk yourself into another horse that does not meet your present criteria … it is time to stand still and do nothing. Re-think your quest for a horse that will bring your confidence level back in the event you would like to participate in. If you had a daughter that felt great riding a schooling horse and was begging for a faster or automatic patterned steady never fail good natured horse to step up her game. WHAT WOULD YOU DO?? IMO you would start looking for a reliable horse that another kid owns and is now asking for more speed that would be the perfect step up horse for YOU (r daughter ).. Take your hunt to the youth events and find you a solid 12-16 year old grade or registered horse that will not have any surprises. The great thing about these horses is they can't run fast enough to hurt themselves so most are as sound as a rock and easy to sell once your confidence returns and your butt is telling your brain that it would like to be sitting on a faster horse and it is time to make the move to buy a faster horse you really like at first meeting .. Right now, pick you out a horse that you feel you will out grow in the next year and one that you don't have to train for a specific event since you are not as aggressive as you once were. Any trainer is going to pick one out that requires some training because that is how they make their living. What you want your trainer to do is … concentrate on YOU to get your automatic riding reflexes back in order and you get some automatic muscle memory as you ride this horse that has been a step up for a tuff upcoming youth rider. After you get this youth horse … get out of the arena and ride a lot of pasture and go find a group to ride trails with for hours … this is where your butt gets connected to your brain and every thing falls in place … you need to make lots of wet saddle blankets to get your confidence back. Which will return much faster the more hours you spend on horse back and enjoying open country and other riders company. I looked on youtube for the extreme horse group thingy you mentioned … It looks like a fun group of local primarily non-pro ranches and cowboys doing ranch rodeo events with a lot of country fair activities and bull riding rodeo as their big draw. Lots of ranch work events along with some ruff stock. I had to grin when I found this horse which matches the description you gave to a Tee on a video. Nice looking, well trained for many things but not solid in any type of event. It would be a shame to take a horse like this and undo all the training he shows and untrain him to run one speed event … Look in the comment section for their asking price for this pretty boy .. https://youtu.be/5lGreKKS-Rs BEST WISHES AND GOOD LUCK ..
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PUT YOUR MONEY BACK IN YOUR POCKET ..
When you have your hope's dashed on purchase of one horse and then you
start trying to talk yourself into another horse that does not meet your present
criteria … it is time to stand still and do nothing.
Re-think your quest for a horse that will bring your confidence level back in the
event you would like to participate in.
If you had a daughter that felt great riding a schooling horse and was begging
for a faster or automatic patterned steady never fail good natured horse to
step up her game. WHAT WOULD YOU DO??
IMO you would start looking for a reliable horse that another kid owns and is now
asking for more speed that would be the perfect step up horse for YOU (r daughter )..
Take your hunt to the youth events and find you a solid 12-16 year old grade or
registered horse that will not have any surprises. The great thing about these horses
is they can't run fast enough to hurt themselves so most are as sound as a rock and
easy to sell once your confidence returns and your butt is telling your brain that
it would like to be sitting on a faster horse and it is time to make the move to
buy a faster horse you really like at first meeting ..
Right now, pick you out a horse that you feel you will out grow in the next year
and one that you don't have to train for a specific event since you are not as
aggressive as you once were.
Any trainer is going to pick one out that requires
some training because that is how they make their living. What you want your
trainer to do is … concentrate on YOU to get your automatic riding reflexes back
in order and you get some automatic muscle memory as you ride this horse
that has been a step up for a tuff upcoming youth rider.
After you get this youth horse … get out of the arena and ride a lot of pasture and
go find a group to ride trails with for hours … this is where your butt gets connected
to your brain and every thing falls in place … you need to make lots of wet
saddle blankets to get your confidence back. Which will return much faster the
more hours you spend on horse back and enjoying open country and other riders
company.
I looked on youtube for the extreme horse group thingy you mentioned …
It looks like a fun group of local primarily non-pro ranches and cowboys
doing ranch rodeo events with a lot of country fair activities and bull riding
rodeo as their big draw. Lots of ranch work events along with some ruff stock.
I had to grin when I found this horse which matches the description you gave
to a Tee on a video. Nice looking, well trained for many things but not solid
in any type of event. It would be a shame to take a horse like this and undo
all the training he shows and untrain him to run one speed event …
Look in the comment section for their asking price for this pretty boy ..
https://youtu.be/5lGreKKS-Rs
BEST WISHES AND GOOD LUCK ..
Barrelhorse USA this is some of the best advice I have heard in a long time. I have to come to a crossroads in the horse world or should I say 2 crossroads, mine and my daughters. After being sick off and on for 5 1/2 yrs I'm finally able to ride. I had just purchased a coming 5 yr old when all that started. she has maybe been ridden a handful of times during that time she's 11 now and we are just starting over. But one thing I can say is that it didn't matter if she was ridden once a year I could get up on her and she would just walk off. Now that I'm able to ride we are battling some lameness issues but hope to get her fixed up soon. My daughter we are actually taking your advice yes, she has a 27 yr old pony in the barn, but this past winter was really hard on the pony. Along with her rapidly outgrowing her, can you say all legs lol. We are on a tight budget I hate to admit that we can't just go out and buy her whatever but hey it is what it is. So we have been slowly saving what we can and have just been casually looking for an older like 15+ ranch type, old soul, type of horse for her. She is way far behind in her riding skills due to my illness so she is really a beginner but we will get her there. so your advice really resonated with me.
To the OP, You'll know when you find it, it will click. I know it's hard because I want so bad to get my daughter something so she could be showing this summer but at the same time I know she needs something that is going to teach her. Better to wait and find a confidence builder than get in a hurry and destroy what she already has. Find something that is going to stretch your riding skills just a little and let you become a better rider. Ride every day even if its only for 10 minutes that time you spend saddling it's gonna help you as a rider too. Goodluck with your search and sometimes when you find it it's not gonna be what you thought you were looking for that's how I ended up with a plain sorrel DFC/EJ 15.3 grandaughter. I'm so not a big horse running bred person I'm more a working horse 14.3 person but hey I got a stepstool for mothers day lol anyhow good luck and don't get discouraged you will find it. | |
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| UPDATE: I feel EXTREMELY overwhelmed. One of my trainers clients came for a lesson today (they live 1.5 hrs away) and brought one of her horses that is for sale. I rode him for an hour. I liked him, I just feel so torn. The horse today was nice, sane, did not spook once, was fun to ride. Will be 9 next month. Primarily has been a rope horse, spent 5 months with Brandon Cullins 1.5 years ago and never saw the barrels again until today with me. We did ok. He's started on them. Loping them we did not look the best. I'm new to barrels, and he is rusty. He definitely knows what they are, and was very willing. I think with regular lessons with my trainer, we could enter jackpots in August.
I just feel all over the place. The big gelding we tried Monday, my trainer really liked him, and thought he would be a good horse for me. We scheduled a pre purchase for him Thursday. Today, she likes this horse better than the gray. Today she said the gray has a big neck, and a little bulkier, and has not been started on the pattern. When we first started our search, that was what we were looking for. The horse I tried today is lightly started, and she said she likes this one better, but it's my choice. I feel very torn. I like both. My trainer said today that no one will ever know how well a horse will do on barrels, no guarantee, and I get that. She said today that she will no longer be able to come with me on trips to look at horses, as she is busy herself with lessons, and running the circuit she runs on. I get that, we have look at a bunch of horses, and I appreciate her time.
They my husband wants something that I can run now, and thinks it's a waste to buy something that I can't run now. I have told him that not everything is instant.
Where I live, we don't have 3d/4d horses for sale because the kid outgrew them and stuff. Sure, there are tons of horses on FB that are in my price range, and what I'm looking for, but they are 10 states away, and how many states will I go to searching? I know how to ride, but am so new to barrels that I do not know how to put the pattern on a horse, so I need my trainer.
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| Chandler's Mom - 2018-06-11 9:03 PM
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Location: Arkansas | Probably not the hot bed of barrel racing, huh?!!!
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| Chandler's Mom - 2018-06-11 9:16 PM
Probably not the hot bed of barrel racing, huh?!!!
I have no advice, but I truly hope you will find the horse of your dreams soon. How's your horse doing that was lame?
He's pasture sound. Still at my trainers barn, but she wants him gone as he's in a pasture with two mares, he's so nice to them, but the two mares are arguing over him, so that's our fault I guess. He's happy though. A lot going on, trying to find a horse, my trainer wants him gone..very over whelming! | |
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| I am a 3D/4D rider and am quite happy at this level. I started riding at 49 (now 57) when my girls went off to college and I did not want to sell their rodeo horses. They slowed down for me and all I had to do was stay out of their way. This allowed me to focus on myself, how to sit, where to look. Been there, done that horses are worth their weight in gold. If I was horse shopping I would buy the consistent older horse who already knows the pattern. If you had tried the second horse first, do you think you would be more excited about him?
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| rodeomom3 - 2018-06-12 6:56 AM
I am a 3D/4D rider and am quite happy at this level. I started riding at 49 (now 57) when my girls went off to college and I did not want to sell their rodeo horses. They slowed down for me and all I had to do was stay out of their way. This allowed me to focus on myself, how to sit, where to look. Been there, done that horses are worth their weight in gold. If I was horse shopping I would buy the consistent older horse who already knows the pattern. If you had tried the second horse first, do you think you would be more excited about him?
My 16 yo would have been great for me. He's completely automatic on the pattern. Mind you, I have only ran him on barrels in lessons and one clinic, as I can't keep him sound anymore. He did have a bunch of quirks, and my trainer doesn't like him. I do feel like some of his quirks were from lack of pain management before I bought him. That's another story.
I can't explain to you how lost I feel right now. Do I feel like the big gray horse would be good on barrels? I have NO idea! He's a steady eddy. The horse I tried yesterday was a steady eddy also. He's lightly started on the pattern, 1.5 years ago. We did somewhat lope through them yesterday. It was anything but pretty. I have not been able to take regular lessons, as my horse is retired, so I'm rusty and still VERY new to barrel racing, and the horse yesterday was rusty on barrels. Do I think by August I could enter him in jackpots? Probably..I just don't know. I'm overthinking all of this.
Or, should I save up to $15k and take a trip to TX or something and find a more finished horse in the winter/next year? Downfall to that is I don't have anything to ride in the meantime, and it's a big expense to take that kind of trip. Would I like a finished horse, yes..but we don't have them for sale around here! My trainer doesn't want me to get a finished horse, because she says they have issues we would need to fix..I don't know anymore. | |
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| emricmacy - 2018-06-12 8:29 AM rodeomom3 - 2018-06-12 6:56 AM I am a 3D/4D rider and am quite happy at this level. I started riding at 49 (now 57) when my girls went off to college and I did not want to sell their rodeo horses. They slowed down for me and all I had to do was stay out of their way. This allowed me to focus on myself, how to sit, where to look. Been there, done that horses are worth their weight in gold. If I was horse shopping I would buy the consistent older horse who already knows the pattern. If you had tried the second horse first, do you think you would be more excited about him? My 16 yo would have been great for me. He's completely automatic on the pattern. Mind you, I have only ran him on barrels in lessons and one clinic, as I can't keep him sound anymore. He did have a bunch of quirks, and my trainer doesn't like him. I do feel like some of his quirks were from lack of pain management before I bought him. That's another story. I can't explain to you how lost I feel right now. Do I feel like the big gray horse would be good on barrels? I have NO idea! He's a steady eddy. The horse I tried yesterday was a steady eddy also. He's lightly started on the pattern, 1.5 years ago. We did somewhat lope through them yesterday. It was anything but pretty. I have not been able to take regular lessons, as my horse is retired, so I'm rusty and still VERY new to barrel racing, and the horse yesterday was rusty on barrels. Do I think by August I could enter him in jackpots? Probably..I just don't know. I'm overthinking all of this. Or, should I save up to $15k and take a trip to TX or something and find a more finished horse in the winter/next year? Downfall to that is I don't have anything to ride in the meantime, and it's a big expense to take that kind of trip. Would I like a finished horse, yes..but we don't have them for sale around here! My trainer doesn't want me to get a finished horse, because she says they have issues we would need to fix..I don't know anymore.
I hate to even post this because I do not want to add more to think about to your situation but I have to question a trainer who tells a novice to barrels that you do not want a finished horse because “they come with problems”. While some do, there are tons that do not. When my girls started riding we did not know anything about competing. Our trainer bought them young green horses, we did not know better. When we were looking for a step up horse we bought a 17 year old automatic mare and took us about 2 seconds to realize where we went wrong and why in the heck was our trainer putting green riders on green horse?
(they were safe but not patterned). We sold the green ones and found older finished horses. You don’t have to spend 15k to get you a horse that you will love and enjoy riding and competing on, it may take more time in your area because of he lack of horses to try
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| emricmacy - 2018-06-11 8:00 PM
I just feel all over the place. The big gelding we tried Monday, my trainer really liked him, and thought he would be a good horse for me. We scheduled a pre purchase for him Thursday. Today, she likes this horse better than the gray. Today she said the gray has a big neck, and a little bulkier, and has not been started on the pattern. When we first started our search, that was what we were looking for. The horse I tried today is lightly started, and she said she likes this one better, but it's my choice. I feel very torn. I like both.
I don't like this. She liked the horse, he was perfect for you. But now her other client came over with another horse and she all of a sudden doesn't like the first horse? He has a big neck and is not started. Didn't she say "she can put a pattern on anything". Now, "Not everything can make a barrel horse". Sounds kinda fishy......
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| I don’t mean this in a mean way but does she think she is the only trainer who can train a barrel horse? There are many people out there who can train a barrel horse without issues. For college I bought my first true rodeo horse trained by someone else. He was 15 and had been very well trained, no issues as long as you didn’t rope on him . We had a problem with our first barrel for awhile, but I was still placing. He was soooo cool, nothing bothered him as long as you stayed out of the roping box. He also turned out to be one heck of a South Texas brush popping son of a gun. You couldn’t rope off him, but once we figured out the first barrel we were in the money consistently. Also in the 5 years I ran him we hit a barrel only a handful of times, like maybe 5 times. He was honest and knew his job. There are a lot of good older horses out there with no problems, you just have to be flexible with how YOU ride. The older well trained horse knows his job, let him teach you yours. I would think your trainer could help you, but if she only wants to help you on horses she has finished, that makes me question her range of knowledge or ability to work with the different styles of horses. Anyway I hope you find the perfect horse for you. | |
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Location: N Texas | rodeomom3 - 2018-06-12 8:50 AM emricmacy - 2018-06-12 8:29 AM rodeomom3 - 2018-06-12 6:56 AM I am a 3D/4D rider and am quite happy at this level. I started riding at 49 (now 57) when my girls went off to college and I did not want to sell their rodeo horses. They slowed down for me and all I had to do was stay out of their way. This allowed me to focus on myself, how to sit, where to look. Been there, done that horses are worth their weight in gold. If I was horse shopping I would buy the consistent older horse who already knows the pattern. If you had tried the second horse first, do you think you would be more excited about him? My 16 yo would have been great for me. He's completely automatic on the pattern. Mind you, I have only ran him on barrels in lessons and one clinic, as I can't keep him sound anymore. He did have a bunch of quirks, and my trainer doesn't like him. I do feel like some of his quirks were from lack of pain management before I bought him. That's another story. I can't explain to you how lost I feel right now. Do I feel like the big gray horse would be good on barrels? I have NO idea! He's a steady eddy. The horse I tried yesterday was a steady eddy also. He's lightly started on the pattern, 1.5 years ago. We did somewhat lope through them yesterday. It was anything but pretty. I have not been able to take regular lessons, as my horse is retired, so I'm rusty and still VERY new to barrel racing, and the horse yesterday was rusty on barrels. Do I think by August I could enter him in jackpots? Probably..I just don't know. I'm overthinking all of this. Or, should I save up to $15k and take a trip to TX or something and find a more finished horse in the winter/next year? Downfall to that is I don't have anything to ride in the meantime, and it's a big expense to take that kind of trip. Would I like a finished horse, yes..but we don't have them for sale around here! My trainer doesn't want me to get a finished horse, because she says they have issues we would need to fix..I don't know anymore.
(they were safe but not patterned). We sold the green ones and found older finished horses. You don’t have to spend 15k to get you a horse that you will love and enjoy riding and competing on, it may take more time in your area because of he lack of horses to try
but it does not have to cost you 15k.
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| Meep.Meep - 2018-06-12 8:58 AM
emricmacy - 2018-06-11 8:00 PM
I just feel all over the place. The big gelding we tried Monday, my trainer really liked him, and thought he would be a good horse for me. We scheduled a pre purchase for him Thursday. Today, she likes this horse better than the gray. Today she said the gray has a big neck, and a little bulkier, and has not been started on the pattern. When we first started our search, that was what we were looking for. The horse I tried today is lightly started, and she said she likes this one better, but it's my choice. I feel very torn. I like both.
I don't like this. She liked the horse, he was perfect for you. But now her other client came over with another horse and she all of a sudden doesn't like the first horse? He has a big neck and is not started. Didn't she say "she can put a pattern on anything". Now, "Not everything can make a barrel horse". Sounds kinda fishy......
I'm just lost. My gelding is lame, I have nothing to ride. I'm not desperate to find a horse this second, but at the same time, sure there's tons of horses in TX and other states, but that's a huge trip to take, especially if it doesn't pass a vet check, etc.
I like both the gray horse and the horse yesterday, but I'm overthinking everything and can't make a decision. They both have great qualities in them. They are both level headed, and probably both have potential.
She said she doesn't have time anymore to look for me. She said my husband and I can go looking, but she can't travel with me to look. That's fine...a bummer, but I understand. | |
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Location: N Texas | The more you reveal about your situation, the more irked I am with your trainer. She honestly should be pushing you towards a somewhat patterned or close to being finished horse. Since you yourself are so green on barrels, you really don't need an untrained horse. That's great that your trainer can "put a pattern on anything" but it could take several months for that to happen, just depends on the horse. You say your budget is $7500 and the first horse is $7300. Well how much extra will you have to put into it with your trainer to get it patterned?? You'll be WAY over budget then, but your trainer will be happy because that's more money in her pocket.
My advice is to forget both horses, ESPECIALLY the first one. The second one doesn't sound so bad, since it's at least somewhat patterned. But for you to be brand new to barrels, you would definitely benefit from a horse that knows exactly what it's doing from the start so you can concentrate on your riding and timing and training YOURSELF for barrels.
As hard as it is, I think you need to take your time looking, don't feel like you have to make a decision NOW. You don't have a deadline, you just WANT to ride. Trust me, I totally get it, but when the right horse comes along, you'll know it and you'll be glad you were patient :) | |
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Location: Texas | In my opinion both horses are not what you are looking for if you are debating it then choose neither. I live in southeast Texas and can find the horse you are looking for around 5k give or take all day long.... Find something that makes you happy and allows you to enjoy the sport and grow. In MY opinion do not buy a prospect or green horse but I'm speaking by not knowing you. I just know I would never put one of my students on something they have to work with and wouldn't allow them to work on themselves.
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| AshleyJ2911 - 2018-06-12 9:21 AM
In my opinion both horses are not what you are looking for if you are debating it then choose neither. I live in southeast Texas and can find the horse you are looking for around 5k give or take all day long.... Find something that makes you happy and allows you to enjoy the sport and grow. In MY opinion do not buy a prospect or green horse but I'm speaking by not knowing you. I just know I would never put one of my students on something they have to work with and wouldn't allow them to work on themselves.
Just because a finished horse is for sale does not mean it has issues to fix!
Thank you for this! I think I will cancel the vet check for Thursday, and tell my trainer I'm going to hold off. I hope she's not mad, as she has spent a lot of her own time to go places with me. She said it doesn't matter to her what I do, if I want to take more time, she just said she can't come with me anymore. She said she wants nice horses in her barn, as they reflect her. I understand. Both these horses are fancy broke, which I like, but I just can't decide. The downfall to saving up more money, is that I won't be riding for quite a while, so I can't practice, but I guess that's how it is.
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Location: Texas | I think you will be happier in the long run.... If she's a good trainer she will understand. when looking for something like you need in your situation I always rely on word of mouth from reputable people. Not sure how your connections are or your trainers but if she can sale a horse in the 6 figures and rodeo in a circuit, why doesn't she have connections out of state to find what you are looking for and have it jump a ride. Iv done it several times for people and if it didn't work out I trusted I could sale it for my student. Usually rodeo people know rodeo people who know good horses .... If that makes sense? | |
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Location: Oklahoma | Take a huge breath! Looking is hard! You will know without a question if the horse is for you or not. But you have to clear your mind and no worry. You can tell if you will bond with that horse rather he knows the pattern or not. If you can bond with a horse they will try harder for you! If you are questioning and back and forth then you are not ready or sure of what you want or you haven't found the right one. That horse is worth the wait! Just breathe! lol I know easier said then done! Just let it happen :)) | |
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AshleyJ2911 - 2018-06-12 9:21 AM
In my opinion both horses are not what you are looking for if you are debating it then choose neither. I live in southeast Texas and can find the horse you are looking for around 5k give or take all day long.... Find something that makes you happy and allows you to enjoy the sport and grow. In MY opinion do not buy a prospect or green horse but I'm speaking by not knowing you. I just know I would never put one of my students on something they have to work with and wouldn't allow them to work on themselves.
Just because a finished horse is for sale does not mean it has issues to fix!
Thank you for this! I think I will cancel the vet check for Thursday, and tell my trainer I'm going to hold off. I hope she's not mad, as she has spent a lot of her own time to go places with me. She said it doesn't matter to her what I do, if I want to take more time, she just said she can't come with me anymore. She said she wants nice horses in her barn, as they reflect her. I understand. Both these horses are fancy broke, which I like, but I just can't decide. The downfall to saving up more money, is that I won't be riding for quite a while, so I can't practice, but I guess that's how it is.
If your trainer wants horses in her barn that reflect her, and not the level of rider the owner is, then that's concerning to me. She should be training each horse individually to fit the owner's level of competency, whether it be 1D/pro level, or walk/trot around the arena riding. If she's mad that you're wanting to take time and wait for the right horse instead of just jumping in on a horse she likes, then by all means, let her spend the money to buy that horse- does that make sense? You shouldn't be spending your hard earned money on a horse that she feels will fit you if you're not confident in that decision.
Taking time off isn't always a bad thing, I would use the time to watch as many training videos and read as many books as you can, maybe audit a clinic or two. If I were in your situation, I would step back and make a list of your absolute needs and wants in a horse, knowing the perfect horse isn't out there, but don't give up hope or jump too quick just to have a horse. The perfect-for-you horse is out there, just be patient and relax 
ETA: I can understand your trainer wanting "nice" horses, because that is her name and image being out there, but isn't it her job as a trainer to make horses and riders better? Not every horse will be "nice" from the start, and if she wants one already fancy broke, but not yet started on the pattern- maybe that's not ideal for you as a rider and owner.
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Location: N Texas | emricmacy - 2018-06-12 9:29 AM AshleyJ2911 - 2018-06-12 9:21 AM In my opinion both horses are not what you are looking for if you are debating it then choose neither. I live in southeast Texas and can find the horse you are looking for around 5k give or take all day long.... Find something that makes you happy and allows you to enjoy the sport and grow. In MY opinion do not buy a prospect or green horse but I'm speaking by not knowing you. I just know I would never put one of my students on something they have to work with and wouldn't allow them to work on themselves. Just because a finished horse is for sale does not mean it has issues to fix! Thank you for this! I think I will cancel the vet check for Thursday, and tell my trainer I'm going to hold off. I hope she's not mad, as she has spent a lot of her own time to go places with me. She said it doesn't matter to her what I do, if I want to take more time, she just said she can't come with me anymore. She said she wants nice horses in her barn, as they reflect her. I understand. Both these horses are fancy broke, which I like, but I just can't decide. The downfall to saving up more money, is that I won't be riding for quite a while, so I can't practice, but I guess that's how it is.
Yep, the more you tell us about her, the less I think she has your best interests in mind. She's not looking for what's best for you, she's looking for what will fit into her barn and program. So either find someone else to help you, find somewhere else to keep your horses, or just wait until you find something you KNOW is right for you and ask her for a second opinion if you really feel you need it. What happens if you find a horse that is perfect for you in every way but your trainer picks it apart because it's not up to HER standards?? | |
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Location: N Texas | Can you take lessons somewhere so you're improving your riding while waiting for the right horse to come along? Or have any friends you can come ride with? You don't have to have your own horse to get better :) | |
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| AshleyJ2911 - 2018-06-12 9:38 AM
I think you will be happier in the long run.... If she's a good trainer she will understand. when looking for something like you need in your situation I always rely on word of mouth from reputable people. Not sure how your connections are or your trainers but if she can sale a horse in the 6 figures and rodeo in a circuit, why doesn't she have connections out of state to find what you are looking for and have it jump a ride. Iv done it several times for people and if it didn't work out I trusted I could sale it for my student. Usually rodeo people know rodeo people who know good horses .... If that makes sense?
She said she had plenty of people from the rodeo circuit message her from OK, FL, etc, but for me, I have to try the horse first and a pre purchase is a must. I can't afford not to do one this time. It will take us awhile to up our budget. | |
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| Gunner11 - 2018-06-12 9:46 AM
Can you take lessons somewhere so you're improving your riding while waiting for the right horse to come along? Or have any friends you can come ride with? You don't have to have your own horse to get better :)
There's no other trainers around here that offer barrel racing lessons. My trainer does not have any lesson horses, and I don't have any friends that have extra horses. | |
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Location: southeast Texas | When you do come down to Texas / Oklahoma, have a list of several horses to try. Map out your prospective locations and try each one like connect the dots. Have a vet preselected to do a pre purchase exam.
When you are not riding, developed an exercise routine to assist your riding muscles for when you do find that horse. Core exercises, leg and arm light stregenth training.
When you find that horse that you know is "the one" it will be the ticket you need to start breathing again.
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| Thank you everyone! I talked to my husband this afternoon, and we have decided to not go with either horse I mentioned. Would either horse work for me? Yes, but they aren't exactly what I want. I would like a more finished horse on the pattern, and I feel guilty for wanting that. We are going to save up a little more money, to have a budget of $10-12k and plan a trip to TX this fall. That in itself worries me, as I don't want to get burned. Yes, I will not be riding at all until then, but will try to keep in shape. When we plan this trip, say I want to try 5 horses, all in different locations in TX. I don't schedule a vet for each of those horses? I'm trying to do all this the right way and not get burned.
This is what I am looking for:
SOUND and SANE
Fairly finished on the barrels
No blown up barrel horses, or horses that have a problem bolting, bucking, rearing. No holes.
Something that will help with my confidence. I can ride, just new to barrels.
Budget of 10-12k. Is this possible, or are my expectations too high? | |
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Location: N Texas | emricmacy - 2018-06-12 2:14 PM
Thank you everyone! I talked to my husband this afternoon, and we have decided to not go with either horse I mentioned. Would either horse work for me? Yes, but they aren't exactly what I want. I would like a more finished horse on the pattern, and I feel guilty for wanting that. We are going to save up a little more money, to have a budget of $10-12k and plan a trip to TX this fall. That in itself worries me, as I don't want to get burned. Yes, I will not be riding at all until then, but will try to keep in shape. When we plan this trip, say I want to try 5 horses, all in different locations in TX. I don't schedule a vet for each of those horses? I'm trying to do all this the right way and not get burned.
This is what I am looking for:
SOUND and SANE
Fairly finished on the barrels
No blown up barrel horses, or horses that have a problem bolting, bucking, rearing. No holes.
Something that will help with my confidence. I can ride, just new to barrels.
Budget of 10-12k. Is this possible, or are my expectations too high?
Yes, it is absolutely possible. You won't be getting a 1D horse, but you're not ready for that anyways. But you can definitely get a nice one that you can enter on as soon as you get home :) | |
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| Gunner11 - 2018-06-12 3:00 PM
emricmacy - 2018-06-12 2:14 PM
Thank you everyone! I talked to my husband this afternoon, and we have decided to not go with either horse I mentioned. Would either horse work for me? Yes, but they aren't exactly what I want. I would like a more finished horse on the pattern, and I feel guilty for wanting that. We are going to save up a little more money, to have a budget of $10-12k and plan a trip to TX this fall. That in itself worries me, as I don't want to get burned. Yes, I will not be riding at all until then, but will try to keep in shape. When we plan this trip, say I want to try 5 horses, all in different locations in TX. I don't schedule a vet for each of those horses? I'm trying to do all this the right way and not get burned.
This is what I am looking for:
SOUND and SANE
Fairly finished on the barrels
No blown up barrel horses, or horses that have a problem bolting, bucking, rearing. No holes.
Something that will help with my confidence. I can ride, just new to barrels.
Budget of 10-12k. Is this possible, or are my expectations too high?
Yes, it is absolutely possible. You won't be getting a 1D horse, but you're not ready for that anyways. But you can definitely get a nice one that you can enter on as soon as you get home : )
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Location: NC | As someone who has only owned 1 patterned horse (3 yr old- futurity reject) I can tell you that it can be frustrating patterning one sometimes and ive been running most of my life. Sometimes you are thrilled and happy and sometime you just shake your head. Having one you can enjoy and just go to race is great. My mom (in her mid 60s) has my old horse and she loves just going and running a been there done that.
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Location: N Texas | emricmacy - 2018-06-12 3:06 PM
Gunner11 - 2018-06-12 3:00 PM
emricmacy - 2018-06-12 2:14 PM
Thank you everyone! I talked to my husband this afternoon, and we have decided to not go with either horse I mentioned. Would either horse work for me? Yes, but they aren't exactly what I want. I would like a more finished horse on the pattern, and I feel guilty for wanting that. We are going to save up a little more money, to have a budget of $10-12k and plan a trip to TX this fall. That in itself worries me, as I don't want to get burned. Yes, I will not be riding at all until then, but will try to keep in shape. When we plan this trip, say I want to try 5 horses, all in different locations in TX. I don't schedule a vet for each of those horses? I'm trying to do all this the right way and not get burned.
This is what I am looking for:
SOUND and SANE
Fairly finished on the barrels
No blown up barrel horses, or horses that have a problem bolting, bucking, rearing. No holes.
Something that will help with my confidence. I can ride, just new to barrels.
Budget of 10-12k. Is this possible, or are my expectations too high?
Yes, it is absolutely possible. You won't be getting a 1D horse, but you're not ready for that anyways. But you can definitely get a nice one that you can enter on as soon as you get home : )
Why do I feel so guilty for wanting that instead of a horse that has never seen barrels?
I have no idea. Don't ever let yourself feel guilty for wanting the best your money can buy. There is no shame in getting a been-there-done-that, ready to go horse. If I could afford it, I'd totally go that route too! The most important thing is for you to feel completely comfortable so that you WANT to ride. It sucks so bad when you have a horse that you dread riding, it sucks all the fun out of it.
Who cares what other people think, you do what's best for you! 
Unless someone else is writing the check, don't let them talk you into or out of something. Go with your gut.
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| Gunner11 - 2018-06-12 3:29 PM
emricmacy - 2018-06-12 3:06 PM
Gunner11 - 2018-06-12 3:00 PM
emricmacy - 2018-06-12 2:14 PM
Thank you everyone! I talked to my husband this afternoon, and we have decided to not go with either horse I mentioned. Would either horse work for me? Yes, but they aren't exactly what I want. I would like a more finished horse on the pattern, and I feel guilty for wanting that. We are going to save up a little more money, to have a budget of $10-12k and plan a trip to TX this fall. That in itself worries me, as I don't want to get burned. Yes, I will not be riding at all until then, but will try to keep in shape. When we plan this trip, say I want to try 5 horses, all in different locations in TX. I don't schedule a vet for each of those horses? I'm trying to do all this the right way and not get burned.
This is what I am looking for:
SOUND and SANE
Fairly finished on the barrels
No blown up barrel horses, or horses that have a problem bolting, bucking, rearing. No holes.
Something that will help with my confidence. I can ride, just new to barrels.
Budget of 10-12k. Is this possible, or are my expectations too high?
Yes, it is absolutely possible. You won't be getting a 1D horse, but you're not ready for that anyways. But you can definitely get a nice one that you can enter on as soon as you get home : )
Why do I feel so guilty for wanting that instead of a horse that has never seen barrels?
I have no idea. Don't ever let yourself feel guilty for wanting the best your money can buy. There is no shame in getting a been-there-done-that, ready to go horse. If I could afford it, I'd totally go that route too! The most important thing is for you to feel completely comfortable so that you WANT to ride. It sucks so bad when you have a horse that you dread riding, it sucks all the fun out of it.
Who cares what other people think, you do what's best for you!
Unless someone else is writing the check, don't let them talk you into or out of something. Go with your gut.
Thank you! I need to find a horse that will let me learn on them. A few horses I tried recently I knew I would dread riding them if I bought them, and a few I didn't feel that way, but I got swayed into staying away from finished horses when that is ultimately what I want in this chapter of my life. Maybe years down the road I will want something not started on barrels, but right now I want to have fun. I've spent the last 9 months trying to get my horse pasture sound, and I love him dearly, but I'd like to ride again. TX is a huge state compared to VT..if I have no connections in TX, how do I go about finding who to stay away from, horse traders, etc? | |
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| Do not feel guilty, if you can afford it, find the horse you want. My girls horses were high dollar, at least to me they were. No way could I ride them to their potential and there was some talk of what a waste but I did not want to sell them-they took care of me and I trusted them and I did not feel guilty in the least, I felt like the luckiest girl out there. Here is a video of one of mine-this is 2 years after I started riding and he makes me look good but it is 200% all him-my legs never move and I never move my hands except to switch hands -this was a 3D run-he was so much fun. He is now retired but I am forever grateful for what he taught me.
https://youtu.be/D4cr25NTT28
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| emricmacy - 2018-06-12 2:14 PM
Thank you everyone! I talked to my husband this afternoon, and we have decided to not go with either horse I mentioned. Would either horse work for me? Yes, but they aren't exactly what I want. I would like a more finished horse on the pattern, and I feel guilty for wanting that. We are going to save up a little more money, to have a budget of $10-12k and plan a trip to TX this fall. That in itself worries me, as I don't want to get burned. Yes, I will not be riding at all until then, but will try to keep in shape. When we plan this trip, say I want to try 5 horses, all in different locations in TX. I don't schedule a vet for each of those horses? I'm trying to do all this the right way and not get burned.
This is what I am looking for:
SOUND and SANE
Fairly finished on the barrels
No blown up barrel horses, or horses that have a problem bolting, bucking, rearing. No holes.
Something that will help with my confidence. I can ride, just new to barrels.
Budget of 10-12k. Is this possible, or are my expectations too high?
I know you're frustrated, trust me I'm right there with you but keep looking. Look at flying out one weekend you can get airfare pretty decent if you buy pretty early. I know Southwest runs a lot of discount airfares. Already bought my moms Thanksgiving airfare round trip for $200. Talk to some other trainers out of state tell them your situation maybe the can help you find something out of state when you can kinda do a one stop shop. If you do that call them up and be totally honest with your ablilty and what you are looking for and your price range. I've done this before and I grew up in the most non barrel racing state of Delaware... we've got harness racing, we've got English but Barrel racing was kinda new on the scene way back when. We went to one trainer and he had about 4 horses lined up for me to try. I actually ended up buying on the 2nd trip. Don't be afraid of the old horses either I have a 28 yr retire barrel mare in the barn that I'm seriously considering bringing out of retirement for my daughter. They may require a little maintenance but all the knowledge those oldies will give you will so be worth it in the end.
And from what you have said about your trainer I totally get why you are so overwhelmed. It sounds like they are trying to buy for them and not you. I would be proud as punch to help someone learn and watch them grow as rider, not the other way around of you should be proud they are your trainer.
You do you boo, boo because in the end your the one swinging your leg over your horse.
Oh and you can find deals out there it takes a little bit luck a whole lot of thinking, and a little bit of traveling. I truly don't mean to sound brash, so please don't take it that way. | |
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Location: Mountains of VA | Not sure why you think you need to go to TX from Vermont to find a suitable horse. There are plenty of horses and trainers closer to you that can help you here in the east. Contact people like Sue Bologne, Van Manly, Ducky Keller, Adam Roper, etc.There are plenty more, these just came to mine first. | |
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Location: OH. IO | hotpaints - 2018-06-12 8:30 PM
Not sure why you think you need to go to TX from Vermont to find a suitable horse. There are plenty of horses and trainers closer to you that can help you here in the east. Contact people like Sue Bologne, Van Manly, Ducky Keller, Adam Roper, etc.There are plenty more, these just came to mine first.
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My Heart Be Happy
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Location: Arkansas | emricmacy - 2018-06-12 6:44 AM
Chandler's Mom - 2018-06-11 9:16 PM
Probably not the hot bed of barrel racing, huh?!!!
I have no advice, but I truly hope you will find the horse of your dreams soon. How's your horse doing that was lame?
He's pasture sound. Still at my trainers barn, but she wants him gone as he's in a pasture with two mares, he's so nice to them, but the two mares are arguing over him, so that's our fault I guess. He's happy though. A lot going on, trying to find a horse, my trainer wants him gone..very over whelming!
Hang in there girl, it'll work itself out 
And please utilize the wonderful resources of the folks on here--that may be near you or know of a horse for sale, etc. Good luck to you
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| hotpaints - 2018-06-12 7:30 PM
Not sure why you think you need to go to TX from Vermont to find a suitable horse. There are plenty of horses and trainers closer to you that can help you here in the east. Contact people like Sue Bologne, Van Manly, Ducky Keller, Adam Roper, etc.There are plenty more, these just came to mine first.
Thank you for the suggestions! I only said TX as my husband's cousin is big into barrel racing, and she lives in TX. I would like to try a bunch of horses, not just travel to PA to look at one, then drive to VA to look at one. | |
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 The Worst Seller Ever
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Location: Oklahoma | Do you have FB? There are tons of sale groups for barrel horses. NE horses too.
I don't think you need to have your trainer go with you to look. If you have looked at a few then you know what you want the horse to feel like. Take your hubby. He can be the voice of reason. You know what you want, spend time FB stalking the sale pages. Things pop up everyday. :) | |
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Cute Little Imp
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Location: N Texas | clover girl - 2018-06-13 7:27 AM
Do you have FB? There are tons of sale groups for barrel horses. NE horses too.
I don't think you need to have your trainer go with you to look. If you have looked at a few then you know what you want the horse to feel like. Take your hubby. He can be the voice of reason. You know what you want, spend time FB stalking the sale pages. Things pop up everyday. :)
This is exactly what I was going to suggest. If there are barrel races, playdays/gymkhanas, youth rodeos in your area, there are barrel horses for sale in your area. They just may not be advertised. What I suggest you do is find some groups on FB that are either geared toward barrel racing, or horse sale groups and post what you're looking for. You might be surprised the horses that actually are for sale, just not being publicly advertised. | |
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Not Afraid to Work
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| All of the things you are looking for are absolutely doable. When I was horse shopping, I drove to Texas twice. First time I settled on a horse that wasn't as advertised. The 2nd time, I walked away. Wish I had walked away both times. I finally found a horse that wasn't advertised, known by word of mouth and couldn't be happier.
I was looking for a horse for my niece, ideally exactly what you were looking for but on a TINY budget! And I bought her a green horse with the understanding I would have to put time on it. I got bucked off twice and broke my foot. It wasn't quite as far along as we thought. The sellers took him back as they were good friends but I was so upset because I felt like I would never find something for my niece. Low and behold, a friend of mines daughter decided to pursue jumping vs barrels.
This horse is exactly what you're talking about, she was 12, patterned, safe and one of the best teachers. However, she is an OTTB and comes with quirks. I wouldn't have looked at her advertised online, she just didn't fit what I had in my head. But now I realize that things work out, some way or another. She is the best thing that ever happened to our family. We have learned some tricks to her quirks and we deal with them. My niece has grown tremendously in her riding in the past year. The nice part is this horse has more to give. They're now running 3d/4d times and I think could get better!!!
They exist but sometimes you find something that isn't exactly what you're looking for, in the sense where they are a different image than you thought. Or sometimes, fate is taking its time to get them to you. Either way, with your budget and wants, I don't foresee that being difficult to find. I don't think finished horses have issues, every horse has quirks. That's different than issues.
And as sad as it may be to hear, you buy to hope its your forever horse. Don't put so much pressure on yourself. I bought my current gelding, owned him 9 years now. I bought him an eventing reject due to a conformation flaw, unbroke late 6 year old. I just said... what the heck, lets try and he was cheap enough that I wasn't going to lose money. Best decision I ever made. He is a 2d/3d gelding, teacher to many, quiet, trustworthy and my best friend.
Chin up, be patient. I wish you were closer as I love to horse shop, for others that is  | |
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| stayceem - 2018-06-13 1:23 PM
All of the things you are looking for are absolutely doable. When I was horse shopping, I drove to Texas twice. First time I settled on a horse that wasn't as advertised. The 2nd time, I walked away. Wish I had walked away both times. I finally found a horse that wasn't advertised, known by word of mouth and couldn't be happier.
I was looking for a horse for my niece, ideally exactly what you were looking for but on a TINY budget! And I bought her a green horse with the understanding I would have to put time on it. I got bucked off twice and broke my foot. It wasn't quite as far along as we thought. The sellers took him back as they were good friends but I was so upset because I felt like I would never find something for my niece. Low and behold, a friend of mines daughter decided to pursue jumping vs barrels.
This horse is exactly what you're talking about, she was 12, patterned, safe and one of the best teachers. However, she is an OTTB and comes with quirks. I wouldn't have looked at her advertised online, she just didn't fit what I had in my head. But now I realize that things work out, some way or another. She is the best thing that ever happened to our family. We have learned some tricks to her quirks and we deal with them. My niece has grown tremendously in her riding in the past year. The nice part is this horse has more to give. They're now running 3d/4d times and I think could get better!!!
They exist but sometimes you find something that isn't exactly what you're looking for, in the sense where they are a different image than you thought. Or sometimes, fate is taking its time to get them to you. Either way, with your budget and wants, I don't foresee that being difficult to find. I don't think finished horses have issues, every horse has quirks. That's different than issues.
And as sad as it may be to hear, you buy to hope its your forever horse. Don't put so much pressure on yourself. I bought my current gelding, owned him 9 years now. I bought him an eventing reject due to a conformation flaw, unbroke late 6 year old. I just said... what the heck, lets try and he was cheap enough that I wasn't going to lose money. Best decision I ever made. He is a 2d/3d gelding, teacher to many, quiet, trustworthy and my best friend.
Chin up, be patient. I wish you were closer as I love to horse shop, for others that is
Thank you! I really needed to hear this! I want to have fun, and learn! It sucks I will not be riding at all until I find a new horse, but that's ok. I could find a lesson barn to take lessons at, but I think I'm going to save that money and put it towards a new horse. If you don't mind me asking, what are her quirks? I'm definitely not looking for a perfect horse, as one doesn't exist, but I would like one that is perfect for me. Since I made the decision to not buy either of the horses I was talking about yesterday, I feel I made the right decision. It's a sigh of relief. I don't get stressed out about much, but I was driving my husband crazy trying to make a decision between the two horses. I felt 100% safe on both those horses, which is pretty much my #1 must have, and even though I could have made it work with either one, it's not truly what I wanted. When we started horse shopping with my trainer, I told her I wanted a more finished horse, like the horse I have now, but without high ringbone, and she talked me out of it, saying all finished horses come with problems or holes. We're going to save up a little more money, and look in the fall for something. | |
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Location: Oakdale, CA | rodeomom3 - 2018-06-12 9:19 AM I live in Texas in the thick of barrel racing country and it took me 8 months to find my last horse. He was not at all what I had in my mind I wanted, lol but the minute I sat in the saddle I knew I wanted him.
this is also excellent advice....................You will know exactly when you sit in the saddle of the horse and ride it around if its the one.......... I know its hard but be patient and keep your mind open..............better to wait for the right horse than get the wrong horse......... | |
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