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| Picked up a feedlot horse, thought I had a real gem and hes been wonderul couldn't figure out why he was there (actually was at the same feedlot twice), until today when he didn't want to go in the direction I did, so crowhopped then reared up straight. I thought he was going up and over honestly. He came down and was about to go up again so I jumped off. I didn't get back on him. Hubby doesn't want me on him again. I have no idea what to do. I have another one in my field I don't ride because he rears. Same thing, gets it in his head that he doesn't want so do something so he rears, but he doesn't go up so high.
I just don't know weather to send him off to a trainer or what? Its not something I can deal with. How do I even go about finding someone that would get on him and fix the issue? |
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Location: Texas | I think your best option is to cut your losses and send him down the road. That kind of behavior can KILL you. |
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Location: Texas | Buckles - 2018-06-10 12:06 PM
Send him where though? I don't want him surprising anyone else with this behavior either
Do you have a local sale? Cow sale? Send him with full disclosure. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Send him to someone that isn't afraid to whip the crap out of him for it when he/she is on him. IMO as long as they aren't in pain and it is just a behavior issue, rearing because they don't want to do something is one of the easiest things to get them over. Long story short we sold a horse on payments and she didn't make them, but had him started in the meantime and was scared of him. So we got him back and when I went to riding him he did that same thing and I hated it. So my husband got on him and with split reins over and undered the living crap out of him as soon as he balked and wanted to go back to the barn. But you have to have someone that is a good rider, knows when to whip and when to stop. They have to be committed. As soon as this gelding scooted away from the barn area, my husband let him have his head and go. No where in particular just go. Then when he whirled back to the barn and threw a fit, he got spanked again. The whole process took less than 15 minutes and that horse never did it again. Was a great ranch horse and making a barrel horse until he broke his leg.
Where you sound like a timid rider when it comes to horse BS (and I don't blame you a bit), I would sell cheap to someone that can fix or try and fix and then sell. But either way I feel you will never trust this horse and they will start it back up again. They are often too smart for their own good. |
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| Yes I definitely am timid and seeing two horses rear up and go over on someone was enough for me. |
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Location: Willows, CA | There can be a lot of reasons that a horse rears. The most common is confusion over what the rider is asking. The horse will try different reactions looking for release of pressure, and going up is usually the last thing that it tries. Since going up almost always gets the horse what it is looking for, release, that can develop into a quicker choice once learned. You mentioned that you have another horse that is not ridden for the same reason. That is unusual, and may point to you needing to see this action coming sooner and redirecting the energy to just about anything else rather than rearing. Getting a horse over this can then be a long process. |
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| I sent one to the killers. I had about $4000 in training in the horse. The last trainer really tried to get the horse to work and she never did rear with her. This trainer told me to get rid of the horse. This one went over backwards. We do t play at my house. I have very nice horses and I am not going to get the reputation for selling idiots. There is a reason that horses are at a kill pen.
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| How old is this horse? Maybe start with a lameness exam and go from there. If nothing major comes out of the exam, depending on how you feel I might consider sending them to a trainer. |
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Location: North Dakota | I got cheated on a horse that ended up being dangerous about five years ago! I purchased a paint mare from a girl in the Dallas area that was represented as a dead broke horse that was beginner safe and great for 4H etc... I went to see the horse at a show and made it clear over and over again that is was going to be a child’s horse! The horse was quiet and a deadhead like I was looking for. Well guess what the day after I purchased the horse she showed her true colors! She was too crazy to describe how unsafe and nuts she was!! She would kick at you, sling her head viciously when you would try to halter her! A guy that exercised racehorses locally tried her for me for a few day and said she was unsafe and dangerous! The final straw was her rearing up and completey falling down backwards with my Saddle. The jockey said she must have been drugged out of her mind the day she was sold to me!! When a jockey says a horse is dangerous you got screwed! I called the girl back but she hung up and blocked me on Facebook immediately!! I disclosed everything to a local trainer and gave the horse away free!! My point is I can’t believe some people will sell dangerous horses as kids horses to make a buck!! Horse like that should be in a kill pen!! |
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Location: OH. IO | get rid of them both.find something you can be safe and happy with. |
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| after seeing my sister in law flipped with by a horse. I won't own one that get's even a little light in the front end. I actually had a really nice gelding and he started that crap with me after about 20 minutes of riding he thought he was supposed to be done he would buck and if that didn't work he would decided to go up. I sold him with full disclosure, and then again when she decided that she wanted him I again told her his issues in front of witnesses. I took a huge hit paid 5k and sold him for 1500. made me sad because I really liked him otherwise just one thing I can't tolerate. |
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| Thanks. I am torn. He was doing so well. I hate to send him off because he reared once... but I also don't want to be on him when he rears like that again.
My husband says he reared for really no good reason, what happens when he gets in a situation when he really does have a reason? |
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| angelica - 2018-06-10 2:21 PM
I got cheated on a horse that ended up being dangerous about five years ago! I purchased a paint mare from a girl in the Dallas area that was represented as a dead broke horse that was beginner safe and great for 4H etc... I went to see the horse at a show and made it clear over and over again that is was going to be a child’s horse! The horse was quiet and a deadhead like I was looking for. Well guess what the day after I purchased the horse she showed her true colors! She was too crazy to describe how unsafe and nuts she was!! She would kick at you, sling her head viciously when you would try to halter her! A guy that exercised racehorses locally tried her for me for a few day and said she was unsafe and dangerous! The final straw was her rearing up and completey falling down backwards with my Saddle. The jockey said she must have been drugged out of her mind the day she was sold to me!! When a jockey says a horse is dangerous you got screwed! I called the girl back but she hung up and blocked me on Facebook immediately!! I disclosed everything to a local trainer and gave the horse away free!! My point is I can’t believe some people will sell dangerous horses as kids horses to make a buck!! Horse like that should be in a kill pen!!
I have two of those. The one that I keep as a pasture mate that rears was "beginner and kid safe". Then I have another that is currently leased out as a companion and was also beginner and kid safe and bucks like a rodeo star. Before that I had another "kid horse" that was hot as hell. He left after kicking me in the gut one day. He currently lives with a guy that likes to ride all day and cover some ground, so he worked out well for him.
Honestly why I picked up a horse at a feedlot, after spending thousands and thousands on these "safe" horses and none of them where what I was told, we had figured why spend so much when we are only going to be lied to anyways. Might as well buy a cheap horse we now nothing about and have no expectations for...
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Location: Louisiana | Rearing is a hard limit for me. No way. I have literally been on 2 horses that reared in the 25 years I've been riding, and that was the last time I rode either.
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Off the Wall Wacky
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Location: Louisiana | Buckles - 2018-06-11 5:29 AM
angelica - 2018-06-10 2:21 PM
I got cheated on a horse that ended up being dangerous about five years ago! I purchased a paint mare from a girl in the Dallas area that was represented as a dead broke horse that was beginner safe and great for 4H etc... I went to see the horse at a show and made it clear over and over again that is was going to be a child’s horse! The horse was quiet and a deadhead like I was looking for. Well guess what the day after I purchased the horse she showed her true colors! She was too crazy to describe how unsafe and nuts she was!! She would kick at you, sling her head viciously when you would try to halter her! A guy that exercised racehorses locally tried her for me for a few day and said she was unsafe and dangerous! The final straw was her rearing up and completey falling down backwards with my Saddle. The jockey said she must have been drugged out of her mind the day she was sold to me!! When a jockey says a horse is dangerous you got screwed! I called the girl back but she hung up and blocked me on Facebook immediately!! I disclosed everything to a local trainer and gave the horse away free!! My point is I can’t believe some people will sell dangerous horses as kids horses to make a buck!! Horse like that should be in a kill pen!!
I have two of those. The one that I keep as a pasture mate that rears was "beginner and kid safe". Then I have another that is currently leased out as a companion and was also beginner and kid safe and bucks like a rodeo star. Before that I had another "kid horse" that was hot as hell. He left after kicking me in the gut one day. He currently lives with a guy that likes to ride all day and cover some ground, so he worked out well for him.
Honestly why I picked up a horse at a feedlot, after spending thousands and thousands on these "safe" horses and none of them where what I was told, we had figured why spend so much when we are only going to be lied to anyways. Might as well buy a cheap horse we now nothing about and have no expectations for...
Do you know why they're beginner/kid safe?? Because when those riders are on, all they have to do is walk around the yard. The second you start asking them to work they get ****ed off. My mom was sent one to put a handle on years ago... He was an older gelding, and had just been rode through the yard by grandkids, and "angel." Well, she finally sent him back and told them just keep letting the kids ride him around... he was older and set in his ways, and would balk, sull up, and rear every time she rode him. He did get a little better, but he was never truly willing. He hated it. |
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Location: Northwest | wyoming barrel racer - 2018-06-10 10:19 AM
Send him to someone that isn't afraid to whip the crap out of him for it when he/she is on him. IMO as long as they aren't in pain and it is just a behavior issue, rearing because they don't want to do something is one of the easiest things to get them over. Long story short we sold a horse on payments and she didn't make them, but had him started in the meantime and was scared of him. So we got him back and when I went to riding him he did that same thing and I hated it. So my husband got on him and with split reins over and undered the living crap out of him as soon as he balked and wanted to go back to the barn. But you have to have someone that is a good rider, knows when to whip and when to stop. They have to be committed. As soon as this gelding scooted away from the barn area, my husband let him have his head and go. No where in particular just go. Then when he whirled back to the barn and threw a fit, he got spanked again. The whole process took less than 15 minutes and that horse never did it again. Was a great ranch horse and making a barrel horse until he broke his leg.
Where you sound like a timid rider when it comes to horse BS (and I don't blame you a bit), I would sell cheap to someone that can fix or try and fix and then sell. But either way I feel you will never trust this horse and they will start it back up again. They are often too smart for their own good.
We picked up a prospect that had intimidated his previous owner (we didn’t know it at the time). Anytime you’d ask him to do something/go in a direction that didn’t feel like, he’d rear. This horse had been vet checked and it was decided that it was a behavioral issue. So out came the over and under. Every time he’d rear up I’d spank him and he would quit rearing. Took about 4 months (where he’d randomly test me) but he’s SUPER nice now and no more rearing! |
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| Buckles - 2018-06-11 5:29 AM
angelica - 2018-06-10 2:21 PM
I got cheated on a horse that ended up being dangerous about five years ago! I purchased a paint mare from a girl in the Dallas area that was represented as a dead broke horse that was beginner safe and great for 4H etc... I went to see the horse at a show and made it clear over and over again that is was going to be a child’s horse! The horse was quiet and a deadhead like I was looking for. Well guess what the day after I purchased the horse she showed her true colors! She was too crazy to describe how unsafe and nuts she was!! She would kick at you, sling her head viciously when you would try to halter her! A guy that exercised racehorses locally tried her for me for a few day and said she was unsafe and dangerous! The final straw was her rearing up and completey falling down backwards with my Saddle. The jockey said she must have been drugged out of her mind the day she was sold to me!! When a jockey says a horse is dangerous you got screwed! I called the girl back but she hung up and blocked me on Facebook immediately!! I disclosed everything to a local trainer and gave the horse away free!! My point is I can’t believe some people will sell dangerous horses as kids horses to make a buck!! Horse like that should be in a kill pen!!
I have two of those. The one that I keep as a pasture mate that rears was "beginner and kid safe". Then I have another that is currently leased out as a companion and was also beginner and kid safe and bucks like a rodeo star. Before that I had another "kid horse" that was hot as hell. He left after kicking me in the gut one day. He currently lives with a guy that likes to ride all day and cover some ground, so he worked out well for him.
Honestly why I picked up a horse at a feedlot, after spending thousands and thousands on these "safe" horses and none of them where what I was told, we had figured why spend so much when we are only going to be lied to anyways. Might as well buy a cheap horse we now nothing about and have no expectations for...
2 horses, same issue, I would say you are doing something to cause the behaviour.
Take the horse to a trainer and you ride the horse there see if they can see what is triggering the horse. |
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| What would I be doing to be causing it? All I am asking for it to walk forward, so I have my leg on them with a loose rein.... |
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| The one horse came to me and reared on our second ride when spooked. He reared when my husband tried to deworm him. He reared whenever he didn't understand something on the ground. He reared when he'd getspooked by something and you were leading him. I worked with him on the ground where I felt comfortable and he has not done that in at least year.... |
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| Buckles - 2018-06-11 5:22 AM
Thanks. I am torn. He was doing so well. I hate to send him off because he reared once... but I also don't want to be on him when he rears like that again.
My husband says he reared for really no good reason, what happens when he gets in a situation when he really does have a reason?
Mine reared with me one time. I felt lucky that I did not get hurt worse than I did or killed. Just my personal opinion but I didn't want everyone's last memory of me to be laying in a nursing home unconscious for years. I have really good health insurance but I don't want to use it. |
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Location: Kansas | I had one that out of the blue reared up on me at a barrel race causing me to break several ribs, I got rid of him after that. I will not get hurt by a horse that has a behavior issue such as rearing |
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| I speak from my own personal experience with one just like that.... You may get around him for a bit (someone obviously did if he's broke) but he will eventually hurt you. |
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| There are too many nice horses out there to deal with this. He may never do it again but it's always going to be in the back of your mind.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Rearing horses are a dangerous animal to have, I have a friend that is brain damage and in a well chair because her horse went up and over on her while out on a trail ride with one of her students that she gave barrels lessons too, her horse was always a butt head and he was her main horse that she ran barrels on but she never backed down from him when he acted out, she was a awesome horse women and barrel racer, but her quality of life was cut short because she was a stubborn young lady. And another friend had her horse go over on her and her femur bone was broken, this happen at a barrel race, was so horrible to witness and hear. And another friend that lost her life when her horse decided he didnt want to go where she asked him. I have a awesome bred gelding sitting in the back pasture cause when he has to work he'll go up so nope dont need that so hes out to pasture. |
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Location: IN MY OWN LITTLE WORLD AT LEAST THEY KNOW ME HERE | IMHO
Just a thought from past experience.
Have his back xrayed.
Could have spine issues n be hurting.
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| I purchased one with undisclosed rearing issues.... Looking back on it now, it was the best purchase but it has taken me close to 2.5 years to fix it and Im not 100% sure it will ever be completely gone. When I called the former owner on the problem I was told to just scream at her and she would stop......
Long story short, this horse was allowed to get away with being light in the front end for several years. So it was a habit when I got her. I tried correcting her out in public and would get in trouble for it. Not beating her but getting after her with my over and under when she would throw a fit over not wanting to do something. My last straw was at the house, I asked her to work a gate. She didn't want to so she threw a fit and went up. I swung off and went to waylaying her with my split reins. Yes I lost my patience. She backed herself into a corner and I kept on for about 30 seconds. Marched her right back to the gate and made her stand there. She was shaking and mad. I was mad. Finally she let me open and close it without a fight. That was the turning point with her and the only time I ever lost my patience when it came to her. Shes strong willed and sassy. And throws a fit when she cant get her way but we have an agreement. You stay on the ground and I wont take an over and under to you. I love this little horse so much. She keeps life interesting. And fun.
I will say that we found out they had been running her with spurs in her hocks and no maintenance so that contributed to the behavior I believe. As did timid owners. I make sure she is UTD on injections and not in any pain. IF she starts reverting to her old ways, I get her looked at. Shes not been flat out bad since last summer when she bled on me. Started her on Lasix and she went back to working.
Would I own another one with rearing issues? Nope. Not a chance. But there was something about this little mare that I fell in love with. You have to be firm with her or she will try to walk all over you. |
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