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| My 4 year old is having a lot of soreness issues with her hind end. I just bought her this spring and she has already seen the chiropractor multiple times. She has another appointment this week but if there's no improvement my trainer thinks the next step is to get the vet involved, I'm not sure if xrays or injections would then become the case.
She was professionally saddle fitted, they had nothing that would fit her due to her small narrow build so their advice was to shim up the training one I have now and refit her once she fills out more.
She isn't ridden hard and of course knowing she's sore I'm not riding her, due to this she's had a bit of time off.
She's sound and the soreness is only apparent at a lope on a lunge line. One direction she's fine the other one she's cross firing or constantly switching leads. Under saddle is the same one direction she's good, the other she's a hot mess and will start bucking.
Guess I'm looking into other options such as massage or acupuncture? Has anyone had any luck with similar problems? Any advice as to what to try next?
I'm worried she won't be sound enough to make it as a performance horse. She's got good bloodlines but I'm debating on how much money I should stick into her. Thanks for the rant, **** horses stress me out lol |
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Location: sunny california | don't waste your time with a chiro or local vet. go to a performance vet; you will be money ahead. I never have a horse chiro'd more than twice without improvement. |
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Location: OH. IO | kwanatha - 2018-06-25 8:51 PM
don't waste your time with a chiro or local vet. go to a performance vet; you will be money ahead. I never have a horse chiro'd more than twice without improvement.
AGREE,GO STRAIGHT TO GOOD VET AND SPEND THE MONEY WISELY TO GET A GOOD GRIP ON THE ISSUES. |
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Location: California | Is she 5 panel tested? Specifically PSSM? |
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| little_bug - 2018-06-25 9:03 PM
Is she 5 panel tested? Specifically PSSM?
She is not and neither is her dam as far as i know but her sire is 5 panel negative |
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| As far as I could find the closest performance vet is still multiple states away. The best I could do is my normal vet or the University of MN also has a good program.
What would I expect to have done during that vet appointment? Like I said she's not necessarily lame. The chiropractor basically just says her hips are rotated back, but her hocks, stifles, and back are all sore as well. I'm trying a new chiro this time for another opinion
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Flexion tests on all joints
X-rays on any joint testing positive
My guess hocks are fusing as the chiro adjustments you describe point to hocks or stifles |
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| Elsa5 - 2018-06-25 9:56 PM As far as I could find the closest performance vet is still multiple states away. The best I could do is my normal vet or the University of MN also has a good program. What would I expect to have done during that vet appointment? Like I said she's not necessarily lame. The chiropractor basically just says her hips are rotated back, but her hocks, stifles, and back are all sore as well. I'm trying a new chiro this time for another opinion
Vet, I use a chiropractor too but I always go to the vet first to find why they are getting out/sore somewhere. You want to find the cause and not just treat the symptom. As others have said, you will save money in the long run and your horse will feel better. |
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Location: Got Lobsta? | Recently had problems with my 5 year old being sore in hind end. Slight lameness at a lope, cross firing and not standing square, constantly rocking back and forth. Came on here and some board buddies recommended chirio and acupunture. I was at whits end, had her chiro and the vet recommended acupunture afterwards. What a HUGE difference!! There were needles all over her hind end and back. 1 week later about 75 percent improvement, another appointment in 2 weeks. |
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Location: MN | Elsa5 - 2018-06-25 9:56 PM As far as I could find the closest performance vet is still multiple states away. The best I could do is my normal vet or the University of MN also has a good program. What would I expect to have done during that vet appointment? Like I said she's not necessarily lame. The chiropractor basically just says her hips are rotated back, but her hocks, stifles, and back are all sore as well. I'm trying a new chiro this time for another opinion
Sent you a PM. |
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| Found the video after I bought her of course, she's not nearly as noticeably off now as she is in this video. At first I was hoping she was just struggling with the riders size (she's only 13.3 hh) but I am thinking her hock may be the issue. I'll be scheduling an appointment today
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HXdEve1nQAE&feature=youtu.be |
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Location: South Georgia | Oh goodness, she can barely move! That was the sale video?!
Vet, at this point. And, speaking from experience, go to the best right off the start. Saves money. |
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| horsegirl - 2018-06-26 9:17 AM
Oh goodness, she can barely move! That was the sale video?!
Vet, at this point. And, speaking from experience, go to the best right off the start. Saves money.
Apparently I never saw it until after I bought her otherwise I wouldn't have gone through with it. Like I said she's not currently this obviously off but the video was taken a year ago so she's been in pain for quite some time. I'll probably end up taking her to the University |
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Location: North Dakota | she looks VERY hock and stifle sore and when they are that off that soreness can & usually moves upward and into the SI, back. I'd go to Dr. Chris Bell, at Elders Equine, in Winnipeg, depending on where you're located. He's amazing and worth the paperwork to cross the border. |
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Location: Claremore, OK | That is a really sore horse Inc the video. Definitely hock sore and looks Stifle sore also. Could be stifles are just sore from the deep ground, but definitely hocks, more sore in the left hock. |
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Location: Mountains of VA | Liana D - 2018-06-26 12:01 PM That is a really sore horse Inc the video. Definitely hock sore and looks Stifle sore also. Could be stifles are just sore from the deep ground, but definitely hocks, more sore in the left hock.
Agree, left hock and/or stifle. If you notice, the rider never tracked that horse to the right because it would have made the left hind leg lameness problem more noticible. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Oh my gosh I didnt finished watching that video it was just to painful to watch any more, that poor little mare, that man is just way to heavy for her she could hardly trot and when he asked her to back up she could not even raise her back legs from hurting so much and trying to get her to try to do a littl spin, WOW.. He should of steped off of her.. That little mare is hurting bad. I would have her pelvis checked next time you take her to the vet..
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| Side note - if the horse is still trying like that while in pain, I think you’re going to have a SPECTACULAR horse once you get the pain figured out. |
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| Yes the video is hard to watch she's such a little thing and has a lot of heart to her, i really did see a lot of potential in her. She's getting checked out on Monday by a vet and getting a massage/chiro adjustment this weekend. I am concerned though with her future as a performance horse even if we are able to get her sound :( |
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| Elsa5 - 2018-06-26 3:11 PM
Yes the video is hard to watch she's such a little thing and has a lot of heart to her, i really did see a lot of potential in her. She's getting checked out on Monday by a vet and getting a massage/chiro adjustment this weekend. I am concerned though with her future as a performance horse even if we are able to get her sound :(
A lot of issues are treatable if you actually catch them and figure out exactly what the root cause is, instead of only treating the symptoms. Don't start worrying too much too soon, you are already doing the right thing by getting her in to see someone that can figure out what it is that's causing her to move the way she does. Have faith! |
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Location: the end of the rainbow | She is super cute. Let us know what the vet says. And honestly if it were me I'd give her a month of pasture rest (or a big pen) where she can move on her own as much or as little as she wants) then re-assess her issues. You might be surprised at the good it will do her. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Elsa5 - 2018-06-26 5:11 PM Yes the video is hard to watch she's such a little thing and has a lot of heart to her, i really did see a lot of potential in her. She's getting checked out on Monday by a vet and getting a massage/chiro adjustment this weekend. I am concerned though with her future as a performance horse even if we are able to get her sound :(
She sure is a pretty little mare  , I can see why you bought her, I hope that you can get to the bottom of her soreness soon, got my fingers cross for her.  |
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| Thanks guys! I'll keep you posted! She is on 24/7 turn out. And in the 5 months I've had her I can count on 2 hands how often I've worked her so she's had quite a bit of time off. She must be feeling a little better though. The side picture I believe is on the video shows how under developed her hind end was which tells me she hasn't used it correctly in a long time. She's just now starting to fill out and her butt is proportionate to the rest of her body so hopefully that means something lol |
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Location: Oakdale, CA | sounds like your guessing and haven't taken her to a vet at all........
get her to a good vet.................and then go from there |
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Location: Arkansas | got boost? - 2018-06-26 9:54 PM
sounds like your guessing and haven't taken her to a vet at all........
get her to a good vet.................and then go from there
Said she has a vet appointment Monday I believe
Sending good thoughts to your cute little mare 
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Location: Texas | I would test for EPM and PSSM. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | If she were mine, I would verify that there were no major issues and turn her out for about six months. A man of that size has no business on a filly that small. That video was ridiculous. |
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Location: Pacific Northwest | I just watched the video. Poor little girl. I’m more appalled they used it as a sale video!? Her hind end definitely looks better in your recent picture.
I hope you find some answers! |
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| If you dont find anything obvious then have a good repro vet do a repro exam (U/S) to check for a ovarian tumor. I had a 4 year old mare with one that caused her severe lumbar pain quit working started bucking in the middle of working the pattern. then they sent me for a bone scan said it was her hocks chiro didnt help and the bone scan was perfect- nothing. I had to ask for the repro exam and yes she had one ovary bigger than the other to confirm they pull blood and check certain hormone levels. I had it removed laparoscopic/ standing procedure and fixed it all. Note it did take about 9 months for hormones to return to normal but was worth it. |
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Location: MO | PLEASE get her pelvis checked. SHe looks off everywhere and if the chiro is already stating her pelvis is rotated, I would have it checked first. It can cause so many other things down the line. I had to have my horse's SI and hocks injected. The hocks were because of the SI/pelvis area. He was over compensating.
Keep us updated! |
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Location: WYOMING | Checking back in to see what the vet found.
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Location: CTX | Hope you can pinpoint and fix what is wrong with her. She is very cute with a huge heart. That video made me cringe.... poor girl was clearly hurting, but yet she kept trying.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Looking for a update too |
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Location: in the ozone | With her breeding, the way she moves & the looks of her muscle, I would test her for PSSM2 variants. That will show all over pain. Does she "bunny hop" when she canters? |
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| Sorry guys it took so long for me to post an update. With various scheduling issues and life just getting in the way, we finally made it out to a vet today! Brandi basically passed her flex/stress test. Vet said she was maybe just a little off on her right hind so we went ahead and did x-rays which all came back good. Pulpating her she was sore and so vet thinks it's safe to assume that it's her SI joint. He's hoping that it's an old injury that wasn't given a chance to heal so she's on muscle relaxers, bute, and stall rest for a few weeks. If there's no signs of improvement than we will try injecting to see if that works. |
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Location: in the ozone | Elsa5 - 2018-08-14 3:15 PM
Sorry guys it took so long for me to post an update. With various scheduling issues and life just getting in the way, we finally made it out to a vet today! Brandi basically passed her flex/stress test. Vet said she was maybe just a little off on her right hind so we went ahead and did x-rays which all came back good. Pulpating her she was sore and so vet thinks it's safe to assume that it's her SI joint. He's hoping that it's an old injury that wasn't given a chance to heal so she's on muscle relaxers, bute, and stall rest for a few weeks. If there's no signs of improvement than we will try injecting to see if that works.
and, as I mentioned above - testing. I see in an earlier post that you don't know if she's been tested n/n for PSSM1 and if that is negative, I would surely look into testing for PSSM2 variants. The way her muscles in that picture look "bunchy" and that is a symptom too. |
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| The muscle relaxers didn't make a difference so she has an appointment for the SI injection tomorrow. I will talk to him about pssm. If we do a muscle biopsy can they test for type 1 and 2 at the same time with that? Is type 2 hereditary? |
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| The muscle relaxers didn't make a difference so she has an appointment for the SI injection tomorrow. I will talk to him about pssm. If we do a muscle biopsy can they test for type 1 and 2 at the same time with that? Is type 2 hereditary? |
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Location: Claremore, OK | I’ve lost track of what all that’s been done . It’s very common for a horse her age to have open growth plates on the tibial crest near the stifle . They will present like stifle soreness and have body soreness . If they haven’t closed by now it’s because there’s epiphysitis in the growth plate, which is painful. One good lateral X-ray of the stifle will show if it’s open or closed.
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| We did x-rays of the hock and stifle of I believe her left leg due to there being more flexation in that one I believe is how he put it? X-rays were clean but now thinking we should have the other leg x-rayed as well |
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Location: Claremore, OK | Elsa5 - 2018-09-25 5:51 PM
We did x-rays of the hock and stifle of I believe her left leg due to there being more flexation in that one I believe is how he put it? X-rays were clean but now thinking we should have the other leg x-rayed as well
A lot of vets will call it a clean and totally over look a growth plate issue. Everyone’s concerned about knee growth plates and yet stifles don’t se to matter. |
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| Hey guys I know this is an old post but wanted to give an update. We ended up injecting her SI and gave her the last 7 months off. As you can see if she is certainly feeling better and will be going back into training in March!
https://youtu.be/HHGaILa15hU
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Very good! I have to do that with Audie. He gets off from about Sep to March. I have his SI done, going to do mesotherapy again in Feb and we are good to go for the summer. He's longer made and has long pasterns and underslung heels in the back. I think that is what makes his SI area sore. Good luck with your mare! |
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Location: North Dakota | Elsa5 - 2019-01-19 11:39 AM Hey guys I know this is an old post but wanted to give an update. We ended up injecting her SI and gave her the last 7 months off. As you can see if she is certainly feeling better it will be going back into training in March! https://youtu.be/HHGaILa15hU
Time off can do wonders! So happy to see this update! |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Elsa5 - 2019-01-19 11:39 AM Hey guys I know this is an old post but wanted to give an update. We ended up injecting her SI and gave her the last 7 months off. As you can see if she is certainly feeling better it will be going back into training in March! https://youtu.be/HHGaILa15hU
She looks really good and Happy, glad that you didnt give up on her  |
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Location: Montana |  Love your mare!!! What a heart she has to have put up with that trainer. So sad  To see that big guy on the sweet filly. |
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