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Western Contour Pads? Saddle fit update


Lookin For Diamonds Reg. Jul 2009	Posted 2018-07-02 9:16 AM Subject: Western Contour Pads? Saddle fit update
Elite Veteran Posts: 784 Location: USA	I have a wide shoulder flat backed horse that I am using my 5 Star pad on. I need more of a contour western pad. Any brand suggestions? I've always used 5 Star.. but it's causing my saddle to roll... makes him rounder through the shoulders. Edited by Lookin For Diamonds 2018-09-14 9:46 AM
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Southtxponygirl Reg. Nov 2006	Posted 2018-07-02 9:22 AM Subject: RE: Western Contour Pads??
A Somebody to Everybody Posts: 41354 Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas	Lookin For Diamonds - 2018-07-02 9:16 AM I have a wide shoulder flat backed horse that I am using my 5 Star pad on. I need more of a contour western pad. Any brand suggestions? I've always used 5 Star.. but it's causing my saddle to roll... makes him rounder through the shoulders. How thick is your 5 Star?
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Lookin For Diamonds Reg. Jul 2009	Posted 2018-07-02 9:28 AM Subject: RE: Western Contour Pads??
Elite Veteran Posts: 784 Location: USA	I have tried 1/2", 3/4" and 7/8". I'm riding in caldwell saddles. Charon said not to use a 5 star on a flat backed horse.
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Southtxponygirl Reg. Nov 2006	Posted 2018-07-02 9:38 AM Subject: RE: Western Contour Pads??
A Somebody to Everybody Posts: 41354 Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas	All I use is the 5 Stars myself, but hear that Saddle right pads are nice pads. What type of pad did they say to use with your Caldwell, 5 Star is what I use with mine, my gelding is super flat backed and thick shoulder with descent withers and my 1/2 " 5 star is a good fit with my Caldwell.
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OhMax Reg. Feb 2013	Posted 2018-07-02 10:04 AM Subject: RE: Western Contour Pads??
Married to a Louie Lover Posts: 3303	Saddleright is about the only thing you’ll find thinner than a 1/2” 5 Star.... I would lean more towards a fit issue on this one though...
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Southtxponygirl Reg. Nov 2006	Posted 2018-07-02 10:14 AM Subject: RE: Western Contour Pads??
A Somebody to Everybody Posts: 41354 Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas	OhMax - 2018-07-02 10:04 AM Saddleright is about the only thing you’ll find thinner than a 1/2” 5 Star.... I would lean more towards a fit issue on this one though... Thats what I'm thinking too if a 1/2" 5 Star is still making this saddle roll then I think its not the right tree in this Caldwell for this horse..
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Lookin For Diamonds Reg. Jul 2009	Posted 2018-07-02 10:29 AM Subject: RE: Western Contour Pads??
Elite Veteran Posts: 784 Location: USA	Southtxponygirl - 2018-07-02 10:14 AM OhMax - 2018-07-02 10:04 AM Saddleright is about the only thing you’ll find thinner than a 1/2” 5 Star.... I would lean more towards a fit issue on this one though... Thats what I'm thinking too if a 1/2" 5 Star is still making this saddle roll then I think its not the right tree in this Caldwell for this horse.. That's kind of what I am thinking too.. I'll try not to make this too long. I put my promax on him with a 3/4" pad... slid off his shoulder and kept sliding back and rolled. So then I tried my 7/8" just to see and it slid back off the shoulder But did not roll. once off the shoulder it stayed put. I put my maxxed out on him with 3/4" and it stayed on the shoulder put rolled. So today I was going to try my 7/8 just to see what it will do. I told Charon and she said you don't use 5 star on flat back horses. I kind of feel he needs the thinner pad for the shoulder and thicker pad for his body as it's not as wide if that makes sense. To look at him you would think Caldwell is a perfect saddle for him. This is the first time I've had such a hard time fitting a caldwell. Does make me wonder if it's the wrong saddle for him? ETA: He's only 3 Edited by Lookin For Diamonds 2018-07-02 10:32 AM
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Southtxponygirl Reg. Nov 2006	Posted 2018-07-02 12:08 PM Subject: RE: Western Contour Pads??
A Somebody to Everybody Posts: 41354 Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas	Lookin For Diamonds - 2018-07-02 10:29 AM Southtxponygirl - 2018-07-02 10:14 AM OhMax - 2018-07-02 10:04 AM Saddleright is about the only thing you’ll find thinner than a 1/2” 5 Star.... I would lean more towards a fit issue on this one though... Thats what I'm thinking too if a 1/2" 5 Star is still making this saddle roll then I think its not the right tree in this Caldwell for this horse.. That's kind of what I am thinking too.. I'll try not to make this too long. I put my promax on him with a 3/4" pad... slid off his shoulder and kept sliding back and rolled. So then I tried my 7/8" just to see and it slid back off the shoulder But did not roll. once off the shoulder it stayed put. I put my maxxed out on him with 3/4" and it stayed on the shoulder put rolled. So today I was going to try my 7/8 just to see what it will do. I told Charon and she said you don't use 5 star on flat back horses. I kind of feel he needs the thinner pad for the shoulder and thicker pad for his body as it's not as wide if that makes sense. To look at him you would think Caldwell is a perfect saddle for him. This is the first time I've had such a hard time fitting a caldwell. Does make me wonder if it's the wrong saddle for him? ETA: He's only 3 Do you have any pictures of your horse without a saddle?
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Southtxponygirl Reg. Nov 2006	Posted 2018-07-02 12:10 PM Subject: RE: Western Contour Pads??
A Somebody to Everybody Posts: 41354 Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas	Southtxponygirl - 2018-07-02 12:08 PM Lookin For Diamonds - 2018-07-02 10:29 AM Southtxponygirl - 2018-07-02 10:14 AM OhMax - 2018-07-02 10:04 AM Saddleright is about the only thing you’ll find thinner than a 1/2” 5 Star.... I would lean more towards a fit issue on this one though... Thats what I'm thinking too if a 1/2" 5 Star is still making this saddle roll then I think its not the right tree in this Caldwell for this horse.. That's kind of what I am thinking too.. I'll try not to make this too long. I put my promax on him with a 3/4" pad... slid off his shoulder and kept sliding back and rolled. So then I tried my 7/8" just to see and it slid back off the shoulder But did not roll. once off the shoulder it stayed put. I put my maxxed out on him with 3/4" and it stayed on the shoulder put rolled. So today I was going to try my 7/8 just to see what it will do. I told Charon and she said you don't use 5 star on flat back horses. I kind of feel he needs the thinner pad for the shoulder and thicker pad for his body as it's not as wide if that makes sense. To look at him you would think Caldwell is a perfect saddle for him. This is the first time I've had such a hard time fitting a caldwell. Does make me wonder if it's the wrong saddle for him? ETA: He's only 3 Do you have any pictures of your horse without a saddle? I also have a ProMax for my gelding and fits really nice..
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Lookin For Diamonds Reg. Jul 2009	Posted 2018-07-02 1:37 PM Subject: RE: Western Contour Pads??
Elite Veteran Posts: 784 Location: USA	Sent you a pm
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OhMax Reg. Feb 2013	Posted 2018-07-02 2:28 PM Subject: RE: Western Contour Pads??
Married to a Louie Lover Posts: 3303	Lookin For Diamonds - 2018-07-02 10:29 AM Southtxponygirl - 2018-07-02 10:14 AM OhMax - 2018-07-02 10:04 AM Saddleright is about the only thing you’ll find thinner than a 1/2” 5 Star.... I would lean more towards a fit issue on this one though... Thats what I'm thinking too if a 1/2" 5 Star is still making this saddle roll then I think its not the right tree in this Caldwell for this horse.. That's kind of what I am thinking too.. I'll try not to make this too long. I put my promax on him with a 3/4" pad... slid off his shoulder and kept sliding back and rolled. So then I tried my 7/8" just to see and it slid back off the shoulder But did not roll. once off the shoulder it stayed put. I put my maxxed out on him with 3/4" and it stayed on the shoulder put rolled. So today I was going to try my 7/8 just to see what it will do. I told Charon and she said you don't use 5 star on flat back horses. I kind of feel he needs the thinner pad for the shoulder and thicker pad for his body as it's not as wide if that makes sense. To look at him you would think Caldwell is a perfect saddle for him. This is the first time I've had such a hard time fitting a caldwell. Does make me wonder if it's the wrong saddle for him? ETA: He's only 3 Well...not sure what I’m going to do with my 5 Star collection then, because I would consider 2 of our 4 flat backed for sure and a 3rd one is fairly broad but does have some wither. We ride all of them in 5 stars from a 1/2 to 1 1/8 with saddles that fit and don’t have any issues...I’ve never ever heard that you shouldn’t use a good quality wool pad with a slight contour on a flat backed horse.
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Lookin For Diamonds Reg. Jul 2009	Posted 2018-07-02 2:44 PM Subject: RE: Western Contour Pads??
Elite Veteran Posts: 784 Location: USA	OhMax - 2018-07-02 2:28 PM Lookin For Diamonds - 2018-07-02 10:29 AM Southtxponygirl - 2018-07-02 10:14 AM OhMax - 2018-07-02 10:04 AM Saddleright is about the only thing you’ll find thinner than a 1/2” 5 Star.... I would lean more towards a fit issue on this one though... Thats what I'm thinking too if a 1/2" 5 Star is still making this saddle roll then I think its not the right tree in this Caldwell for this horse.. That's kind of what I am thinking too.. I'll try not to make this too long. I put my promax on him with a 3/4" pad... slid off his shoulder and kept sliding back and rolled. So then I tried my 7/8" just to see and it slid back off the shoulder But did not roll. once off the shoulder it stayed put. I put my maxxed out on him with 3/4" and it stayed on the shoulder put rolled. So today I was going to try my 7/8 just to see what it will do. I told Charon and she said you don't use 5 star on flat back horses. I kind of feel he needs the thinner pad for the shoulder and thicker pad for his body as it's not as wide if that makes sense. To look at him you would think Caldwell is a perfect saddle for him. This is the first time I've had such a hard time fitting a caldwell. Does make me wonder if it's the wrong saddle for him? ETA: He's only 3 Well...not sure what I’m going to do with my 5 Star collection then, because I would consider 2 of our 4 flat backed for sure and a 3rd one is fairly broad but does have some wither. We ride all of them in 5 stars from a 1/2 to 1 1/8 with saddles that fit and don’t have any issues...I’ve never ever heard that you shouldn’t use a good quality wool pad with a slight contour on a flat backed horse. I'm a little baffled by it too. That's all i have ever used. I'm thinking it's the saddles. May not be the right fit for him.
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Southtxponygirl Reg. Nov 2006	Posted 2018-07-02 3:41 PM Subject: RE: Western Contour Pads??
A Somebody to Everybody Posts: 41354 Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas	Heres my gelding that I use my promax on.. And I also have a Double J #10 tree that works really well on him also. Hes got that dip behind his withers so these saddles work with my 5 Stars the Caldwell I use the 1/2 and the Double J I use a 3/4.. Edited by Southtxponygirl 2018-07-02 3:46 PM (20180513_174313 (1).jpg) Attachments ---------------- 20180513_174313 (1).jpg (91KB - 197 downloads)
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Southtxponygirl Reg. Nov 2006	Posted 2018-07-02 6:11 PM Subject: RE: Western Contour Pads??
A Somebody to Everybody Posts: 41354 Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas	Heres a few pictures of Lookin For Diamonds horse. (20180630_103001.jpg) (20180630_103045.jpg) (20180630_103108.jpg) (20180630_103118.jpg) (20180630_103150.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 20180630_103001.jpg (79KB - 235 downloads) 20180630_103045.jpg (51KB - 205 downloads) 20180630_103108.jpg (76KB - 192 downloads) 20180630_103118.jpg (62KB - 211 downloads) 20180630_103150.jpg (54KB - 210 downloads)
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Southtxponygirl Reg. Nov 2006	Posted 2018-07-02 10:47 PM Subject: RE: Western Contour Pads??
A Somebody to Everybody Posts: 41354 Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas	Giving this a bump back up, maybe someone else can give an opinion..
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kwanatha Reg. Dec 2003	Posted 2018-07-02 11:14 PM Subject: RE: Western Contour Pads??
Meanest Teacher!!! Posts: 8552 Location: sunny california	i use equipedic pads with my caldwells
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Rockyroad Reg. Dec 2003	Posted 2018-07-05 3:36 PM Subject: RE: Western Contour Pads??
Star Padded Honey Posts: 8890 Location: NW MT	5 Star has the most contour of any pad out there so not sure what you'd do if you have to have more contour. I also agree it sounds like saddle fit and/or rolly polly horse that a saddle is just going to roll on until it matures more.
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luckyjo Reg. Apr 2007	Posted 2018-07-05 5:17 PM Subject: RE: Western Contour Pads??
Duct Tape Bikini Girl Posts: 2554	Hmmm...I ride Caldwell's too, and this horse doesn't look near as broad as my Promax horse. Have you tried any other saddle makes or just set a rocket on him to see? You might be dealing with a saddle fit issue.
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r_beau Reg. Apr 2010	Posted 2018-07-06 9:52 AM Subject: RE: Western Contour Pads??
Born not Made Posts: 2931 Location: North Dakota	Lookin For Diamonds - 2018-07-02 9:16 AM I have a wide shoulder flat backed horse that I am using my 5 Star pad on. I need more of a contour western pad. Any brand suggestions? I've always used 5 Star.. but it's causing my saddle to roll... makes him rounder through the shoulders. If a 1/2" pad by 5 Star still allows the saddle to roll, I'd be thinking your saddle doesn't fit as well as it should (and probably has nothing to do with the pad). Can you post pictures of the saddle on your horse's back (with no pad, and not cinching it)? If you're horse is 3, I am going to guess your saddle is too wide for him, which would cause it to roll. But just a guess.
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Lookin For Diamonds Reg. Jul 2009	Posted 2018-07-06 11:10 AM Subject: RE: Western Contour Pads??
Elite Veteran Posts: 784 Location: USA	luckyjo - 2018-07-05 5:17 PM Hmmm...I ride Caldwell's too, and this horse doesn't look near as broad as my Promax horse. Have you tried any other saddle makes or just set a rocket on him to see? You might be dealing with a saddle fit issue. my promax fits the best on him with a 1/2" pad. Still slides off his shoulder but not rolling as bad. Charon told me to use a maxxed out on him but that was way too wide. For now my caldwells are just the wrong fit for him.
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TheDutchMan01 Reg. Jan 2010	Posted 2018-07-06 1:04 PM Subject: RE: Western Contour Pads??
Elite Veteran Posts: 883 Location: Southern Indiana	Lookin For Diamonds - 2018-07-02 10:29 AM Southtxponygirl - 2018-07-02 10:14 AM OhMax - 2018-07-02 10:04 AM Saddleright is about the only thing you’ll find thinner than a 1/2” 5 Star.... I would lean more towards a fit issue on this one though... Thats what I'm thinking too if a 1/2" 5 Star is still making this saddle roll then I think its not the right tree in this Caldwell for this horse.. That's kind of what I am thinking too.. I'll try not to make this too long. I put my promax on him with a 3/4" pad... slid off his shoulder and kept sliding back and rolled. So then I tried my 7/8" just to see and it slid back off the shoulder But did not roll. once off the shoulder it stayed put. I put my maxxed out on him with 3/4" and it stayed on the shoulder put rolled. So today I was going to try my 7/8 just to see what it will do. I told Charon and she said you don't use 5 star on flat back horses. I kind of feel he needs the thinner pad for the shoulder and thicker pad for his body as it's not as wide if that makes sense. To look at him you would think Caldwell is a perfect saddle for him. This is the first time I've had such a hard time fitting a caldwell. Does make me wonder if it's the wrong saddle for him? ETA: He's only 3 I know all you Caldwell lovers are going to hate me for saying this but......the saddle is sliding back behind the shoulder because that's naturally where it should sit. I know their theory is on the shoulder but.... 5 stars are the most contoured pad I have seen and I'm not sure why you couldn't use it on a flat backed horse, unless it was too thick. As a 3 year old it looks like he hasn't developed much wither yet. Saddles usually don't stay well until they develop further. I've found rolling usually is saddle fit and really be from a variety of different issues.
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brlracerchick Reg. Jun 2010	Posted 2018-07-06 3:29 PM Subject: RE: Western Contour Pads??
Thick and Wavy Posts: 6102 Location: Nebraska	my mare was built very similar and a lynn mckenzie special with a 3/4" 5 star fit her the best. I also used a 7.5" crown c but the special fit her better.
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Lookin For Diamonds Reg. Jul 2009	Posted 2018-09-14 9:56 AM Subject: RE: Western Contour Pads? Saddle fit update
Elite Veteran Posts: 784 Location: USA	UPDATE: 8 saddles later... still having problems with saddle sliding back and rolling. Suggestions of what to try next. His pictures are posted above on this thread. This is what I have tried: Wide Stoney - wrong bar angle Caldwell Promax Caldwell Maxxed Out Coats Batie tree - Wide Coats BWBR wide 2005 Coats wide Pozzi Flex Pozzi wide with 40* bar angle Everyone wants to put him in a wide.. and he looks wide, but I'm wondering if everything is too wide for him. When I put the saddle on it looks great. Some look a tad wide so I will try a little thicker pad. I get the same result from all these saddles.. Some of them I can't even put my foot in the stirrup it will roll to the side. Thinking of trying a Shiloh.... Too much rock?? Tami Reg fit... I know they have lots of rock Any suggestions?
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rpreast Reg. Nov 2015	Posted 2018-09-14 12:31 PM Subject: RE: Western Contour Pads? Saddle fit update
Extreme Veteran Posts: 575	Lookin For Diamonds - 2018-09-14 8:56 AM UPDATE: 8 saddles later... still having problems with saddle sliding back and rolling. Suggestions of what to try next. His pictures are posted above on this thread. This is what I have tried: Wide Stoney - wrong bar angle Caldwell Promax Caldwell Maxxed Out Coats Batie tree - Wide Coats BWBR wide 2005 Coats wide Pozzi Flex Pozzi wide with 40* bar angle Everyone wants to put him in a wide.. and he looks wide, but I'm wondering if everything is too wide for him. When I put the saddle on it looks great. Some look a tad wide so I will try a little thicker pad. I get the same result from all these saddles.. Some of them I can't even put my foot in the stirrup it will roll to the side. Thinking of trying a Shiloh.... Too much rock?? Tami Reg fit... I know they have lots of rock Any suggestions? Everything that I have had slide back hasn't had enough rock to it. So maybe something with more rock will work. I ride one in a Pozzi #10 tree. It's not my favorite saddle but it fits her well. The Shadd Platt modification on the RooHide's is my favorite for that shape.
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Lookin For Diamonds Reg. Jul 2009	Posted 2018-09-14 12:38 PM Subject: RE: Western Contour Pads? Saddle fit update
Elite Veteran Posts: 784 Location: USA	rpreast - 2018-09-14 12:31 PM Lookin For Diamonds - 2018-09-14 8:56 AM UPDATE: 8 saddles later... still having problems with saddle sliding back and rolling. Suggestions of what to try next. His pictures are posted above on this thread. This is what I have tried: Wide Stoney - wrong bar angle Caldwell Promax Caldwell Maxxed Out Coats Batie tree - Wide Coats BWBR wide 2005 Coats wide Pozzi Flex Pozzi wide with 40* bar angle Everyone wants to put him in a wide.. and he looks wide, but I'm wondering if everything is too wide for him. When I put the saddle on it looks great. Some look a tad wide so I will try a little thicker pad. I get the same result from all these saddles.. Some of them I can't even put my foot in the stirrup it will roll to the side. Thinking of trying a Shiloh.... Too much rock?? Tami Reg fit... I know they have lots of rock Any suggestions? Everything that I have had slide back hasn't had enough rock to it. So maybe something with more rock will work. I ride one in a Pozzi #10 tree. It's not my favorite saddle but it fits her well. The Shadd Platt modification on the RooHide's is my favorite for that shape. The Pozzi #10 was going to be my next try. Should I go with the wide or she has a #10 with a 40* bar angle. I'm going to get it from FC Saddlery. I ordered a Roo for my other gelding and had sent Brian pictures of this guy and he said the tree I'm getting would fit him as well. I don't want to buy him a roo yet as he is only 3 and would like to get him his own saddle as I haul both of them.
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Sockittoemred Reg. Nov 2006	Posted 2018-09-14 1:12 PM Subject: RE: Western Contour Pads? Saddle fit update
Elite Veteran Posts: 912 Location: Alabama	You need an Allen Ranch on his AR4 tree. I had this same issue and tried most all those same saddles plus a few more. They would roll stepping on, ride up her neck, ride back, or slip sideways just loping circles. Nightmare. I will attach pics of mine and of my mare. (NewAllen.JPG) (overback18.JPG) (jojune18.jpg) (joaugust18.jpg) Attachments ---------------- NewAllen.JPG (44KB - 213 downloads) overback18.JPG (32KB - 195 downloads) jojune18.jpg (40KB - 202 downloads) joaugust18.jpg (40KB - 193 downloads)
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Lookin For Diamonds Reg. Jul 2009	Posted 2018-09-14 2:10 PM Subject: RE: Western Contour Pads? Saddle fit update
Elite Veteran Posts: 784 Location: USA	Sockittoemred - 2018-09-14 1:12 PM You need an Allen Ranch on his AR4 tree. I had this same issue and tried most all those same saddles plus a few more. They would roll stepping on, ride up her neck, ride back, or slip sideways just loping circles. Nightmare. I will attach pics of mine and of my mare. What is the AR4 Tree? Some of the saddles I can't even put any weight in the stirrup to get on! If I trot a small circle it rolls. Shifts side to side, slides back. I'm over it! So is my poor colt
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Sockittoemred Reg. Nov 2006	Posted 2018-09-14 3:04 PM Subject: RE: Western Contour Pads? Saddle fit update
Elite Veteran Posts: 912 Location: Alabama	http://www.allenranchsaddles.com/New-AR-Barrels-In-Stock.html AR4 is his tree. He has several. A standard and a wide then he branched out and made the 33 tree the AR4 and the AR3.
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jschacher Reg. Sep 2005	Posted 2018-09-22 3:29 PM Subject: RE: Western Contour Pads? Saddle fit update
Elite Veteran Posts: 618 Location: Alberta Canada	I love my Caldwell Promax, it might not be the best fit for my guy but by using correction padding it works. I am looking for a second saddle and have ordered a Vernon Purdy. I messaged him on facebook, then he had me call him and we talked in length about concept of his saddle and tree. Its worth a try to check out his saddles.
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