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| To start, looking back I should have seen the red flags and not have gone through with the deal.
I recently traded a very nicely bred colt off for a 3yo mare, the colt was not halter broke and a flightly little guy. I made this person very aware of him and everything about him I disclosed, there was nothing left out or any unanswered questions. The morning of the trade before we even headed out she claimed that her papers were at her inlaws and she would need to overnight them to me, mind you I never saw a picture of the actual papers during the whole discussion of trade. I worked around her schedule and turned down several other people becuase I decided on the mare she had. Upon us getting there they wanted to keep him in our stud wall and try to get a halter on him, he was not having it so we unloaded, traded and headed out. Less than 24 hours later they had a halter on him and leading him around, really blew my mind as we have worked and worked with him on that.
Now onto yesterday, (we traded on Sunday) she messaged me saying she thinks he is blind in his left eye, the colt did not have any haze or blind look to it. He would work both ways in the round pen, literally see you from any direction you came from. Has never acted blind in that eye and it would have never even crossed my mind that he was. She is now saying she can no longer to the deal and would like the mare back. Okay, that's fair but should I have a vet here confirm that he is blind or not?! Would you take the colt back and give the mare back without a vet opinion? I'm kinda at a loss on what to do and how to handle the situation. I'm afriad something may have happened when they were getting a halter on him and he will not be coming back in the same shape I traded him off as.
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| This is the colt that had the cut on his forehead, correct? Maybe he is so flighty because he lacks some eyesight? I really dislike trade deals because it always seems to benefit one over the other. Tough call, but I think I'd keep the mare if I were you. A deal is a deal, and they could have had the colt examined before the trade. |
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| If you did not get the papers I would be hauling right back over there. Take the baby straight to the vet and let him check the eye. If the needs to tranq him let him do that. If paperwork is not in order and in my hand I move on. I bought. Horse without a Coggins but paperwork was in order. It is against the law to sell without Coggins n TX. If I was a ****head I could have turned her in. I decided she was just dumb. Gotta love it when someone thinks they are a big horse dealer. |
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| Meep.Meep - 2018-07-03 1:03 PM This is the colt that had the cut on his forehead, correct? Maybe he is so flighty because he lacks some eyesight? I really dislike trade deals because it always seems to benefit one over the other. Tough call, but I think I'd keep the mare if I were you. A deal is a deal, and they could have had the colt examined before the trade.
Yes this is the same colt. That could be true, but deep down I really have strong opinion he is not blind. I just don't see how he could be. She is now saying she will keep him but would need cash on the mare. I have sold horses for years now, but this type of situation is new to me never had anything like this.
I agree with you, if this was a problem she could have had him vet checked before we did the deal or just said no deal when we met up, but this colt has no haze or anything in the eye. Again agreeing with you a deal is a deal, but also trying to keep her and I happy. |
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| They don't have to have a haze or a cloud to be blind or partially blind. I used to ride a horse that couldn't be tied because he'd get scared and pull back, he was blind in one eye and partially in the other. Looking at him you'd never have known it. I'd probably just give the cash, get the papers and move on. Lesson learned, even in a trade deal vet checks are a good idea. |
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| streakysox - 2018-07-03 1:11 PM If you did not get the papers I would be hauling right back over there. Take the baby straight to the vet and let him check the eye. If the needs to tranq him let him do that. If paperwork is not in order and in my hand I move on. I bought. Horse without a Coggins but paperwork was in order. It is against the law to sell without Coggins n TX. If I was a ****head I could have turned her in. I decided she was just dumb. Gotta love it when someone thinks they are a big horse dealer.
Agreed as well I should have never gone through with the deal when she told me that on Sunday morning. 9 times out of 10 that means papers really don't exist. Should have seen it, looking back that is my regret. There is absolutley and I mean ZERO way this colt is blind. I have had 5 people around him and work with him just because they wanted to in the past month and they all agree the colt is not blind in the left eye theres just no way.
While we were doing the trade she just bragged the whole time about her selling 40-50k horses. I am very professional with the way I handle my sales/trades but this person is blowing my mind.
She is now saying she is willing to keep the colt, but would need cash for the mare. |
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Location: LA Lower Alabama | I sold a mare and got a colt as partial trade that ended up having ocd lesions. When original owner found out he needed surgery they offered to return as is or pay some towards the surgery. I think with good people deals can be done correctly but its always a risk. They could have said too bad but they offered what they felt was fair and I agreed. Good luck! |
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Location: Oklahoma | If you do decide to give her cash for the mare I would say not til you have the papers and who to say if he is blind it didn't happen after you left him! How much cash she talking about? This might have been a setup. If she had called you the day of or when you was pulling out of drive mayyybee. But sounds fishy to me! |
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Its possible you cant tell my blind mare is blind in the round pen or pasture, and being he was not halter broke abd had a good check over he very well could have vision issues. |
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| Turnburnsis - 2018-07-03 2:48 PM If you do decide to give her cash for the mare I would say not til you have the papers and who to say if he is blind it didn't happen after you left him! How much cash she talking about? This might have been a setup. If she had called you the day of or when you was pulling out of drive mayyybee. But sounds fishy to me! She's talking like $3k cash for the mare on top of the colt this mare is just a 3yo with only 30 days, just because he's "blind in one eye and will never be 100%" The more I think about it, it really seems to be a setup of some sort. There is a reason she didn't give the the papers to the mare when trading.
As in my original post I'm afriad something did happen in the time they got a halter on him and may have caused an issue. I would like my vet to look at him as well. This all started after I sent my address to her at noon yesterday so she could overnight me the papers, she did not respond until 8pm stating he was blind ect....
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| della - 2018-07-03 2:50 PM At least hes halter broke now lol Its possible you cant tell my blind mare is blind in the round pen or pasture, and being he was not halter broke abd had a good check over he very well could have vision issues.
Lol no kidding!
I do agree with you, he very well might be but I will for sure be having my vet look him over top to bottom and see what he says. |
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| Liana D - 2018-07-03 2:49 PM Maybe that’s part of the reason he’s so flighty ? He’d be extra scared if he didn’t see well.
Could be, but I have never seen any signs of vision issues. He does no tilt his head at all, will load right in and out of the trailer. Work both ways in the round pen with no head tilt. It puzzles me. |
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| RunNitroRun - 2018-07-03 3:21 PM How far away are you from them?
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Location: IL | So question....what is the mare like? The one you traded for? Is she what the seller claimed her as? Is she a nice horse? I don't know if I would trade back, but lesson learned. I would have waited until the lady had the mare's papers in hand. |
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| merdth6 - 2018-07-03 3:34 PM So question....what is the mare like? The one you traded for? Is she what the seller claimed her as? Is she a nice horse? I don't know if I would trade back, but lesson learned. I would have waited until the lady had the mare's papers in hand.
If her breeding is really what the girl claims her to be she will make a nice horse, but right now you can't even get her to walk up to you. She super jumpy and ass grabby. Claims to have 30 days, but will set back if you just look at her. Haven't been on her yet but im sure it will be a rodeo. |
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She now wants to buy the colt outright for way less than I was asking and come pick up the mare. I'm so puzzled by this whole deal. |
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Location: Canada | You delivered the first time, tell her to bring the gelding back and pick up the mare. You traded a registered gelding who you knew was quirky for essentially a grade mare who sounds equally as quirky and may be worse.
There is a so many red flags I'd be trading back and quick. Something is wrong with this person so I'd quickly make arrangements to undo this deal and then contact the previously interested parties and let them know he's available for sale.
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| RunNitroRun - 2018-07-03 3:58 PM
You delivered the first time, tell her to bring the gelding back and pick up the mare. You traded a registered gelding who you knew was quirky for essentially a grade mare who sounds equally as quirky and may be worse.
There is a so many red flags I'd be trading back and quick. Something is wrong with this person so I'd quickly make arrangements to undo this deal and then contact the previously interested parties and let them know he's available for sale.
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| RunNitroRun - 2018-07-03 3:58 PM You delivered the first time, tell her to bring the gelding back and pick up the mare. You traded a registered gelding who you knew was quirky for essentially a grade mare who sounds equally as quirky and may be worse. There is a so many red flags I'd be trading back and quick. Something is wrong with this person so I'd quickly make arrangements to undo this deal and then contact the previously interested parties and let them know he's available for sale.
Agreed 100%, I told her earlier today to just bring him back and we will move on. That's when she came back with well what would it take to just buy him and I come pick up the mare. If you really didn't want him and the fact he may or may not be blind in his eye why would you continue to try and figure out a way to keep him?!  |
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| kylee501 - 2018-07-03 3:31 PM
RunNitroRun - 2018-07-03 3:58 PM You delivered the first time, tell her to bring the gelding back and pick up the mare. You traded a registered gelding who you knew was quirky for essentially a grade mare who sounds equally as quirky and may be worse. There is a so many red flags I'd be trading back and quick. Something is wrong with this person so I'd quickly make arrangements to undo this deal and then contact the previously interested parties and let them know he's available for sale.
Agreed 100%, I told her earlier today to just bring him back and we will move on. That's when she came back with well what would it take to just buy him and I come pick up the mare. If you really didn't want him and the fact he may or may not be blind in his eye why would you continue to try and figure out a way to keep him?!
That is very iccky feeling to me... SMH (seemes as that's what were doing today lol)
I know its not fair but Id go dump that mare off and get my colt back personally if she kept wish washing, Id want him home sooner than later .... |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I would just get my colt back and let her take her mare back, I dont deal with someone thats finding fault in something that they wanted in the first place. I can tell you now this women will be nothing but problems for you you need to just nip this in the bud and get it over with..Or you will have nothing but more problems latler down the road with her..
When you get your colt back just put him up for sale and get him sold and with the money go get something you want and pay cash no more trading, sometimes trading can be really good and sometimes it can haunt you for a very lonnnnggg time.
Oh and SMH too, lol..
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| Southtxponygirl - 2018-07-03 5:20 PM
I would just get my colt back and let her take her mare back, I dont deal with someone thats finding fault in something that they wanted in the first place. I can tell you now this women will be nothing but problems for you you need to just nip this in the bud and get it over with..Or you will have nothing but more problems latler down the road with her..
When you get your colt back just put him up for sale and get him sold and with the money go get something you want and pay cash no more trading, sometimes trading can be really good and sometimes it can haunt you for a very lonnnnggg time.
Oh and SMH too, lol..
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Meep.Meep - 2018-07-03 6:05 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-07-03 5:20 PM I would just get my colt back and let her take her mare back, I dont deal with someone thats finding fault in something that they wanted in the first place. I can tell you now this women will be nothing but problems for you you need to just nip this in the bud and get it over with..Or you will have nothing but more problems latler down the road with her..
When you get your colt back just put him up for sale and get him sold and with the money go get something you want and pay cash no more trading, sometimes trading can be really good and sometimes it can haunt you for a very lonnnnggg time.
Oh and SMH too, lol.. After reading more on the situation I agree with this 100%
Yep the more I was reading I got to thinking, she needs to get out of this mess like yesterday and now.. LOL, and SMH..  |
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Location: Kansas | kylee501 - 2018-07-03 3:45 PM UPDATE:
She now wants to buy the colt outright for way less than I was asking and come pick up the mare. I'm so puzzled by this whole deal.
Tell her no. Get your colt back. You never recieved papers on the mare correct?
I would just get the colt back, get a vet check because goodness gracious...he could have poked his eye at her place, colts are such handfuls at times, and then move on with your business.....elsewhere |
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Update as of today, I sent her a message on Tuesday that I would not be accepting her cash offer on the colt and she needs to bring him back to me asap (like yesterday since most everyone had the day off work). I have not heard a word from her since then, so the likelihood of seeing the colt again are slim I feel like. |
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| kylee501 - 2018-07-05 8:33 AM Good Morning All!
Update as of today, I sent her a message on Tuesday that I would not be accepting her cash offer on the colt and she needs to bring him back to me asap (like yesterday since most everyone had the day off work). I have not heard a word from her since then, so the likelihood of seeing the colt again are slim I feel like.
I'd be hooking on to my horse trailer and driving the 6 hours to get your colt. Load up the mare, drop her off, and get your colt back. Your name is on that colt's papers, if you have to get a police escort, do it. And I wouldn't announce my arrival either. |
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Almost a week later and still nothing back from her, I do not have the colt back or has she sent me the papers on the mare. We met halfway on the trade so there is no way of knowing exactly where the colt will be. What would you do at this point? Let it be and just consider the mare grade?! She is bred too well and her siblings are all proven 1D horses that sell in the 5 figure money, so I am taking a big loss on not getting the papers. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | kylee501 - 2018-07-11 4:52 PM Update:
Almost a week later and still nothing back from her, I do not have the colt back or has she sent me the papers on the mare. We met halfway on the trade so there is no way of knowing exactly where the colt will be. What would you do at this point? Let it be and just consider the mare grade?! She is bred too well and her siblings are all proven 1D horses that sell in the 5 figure money, so I am taking a big loss on not getting the papers. How would you know how she is bred never seeing papers on this mare? I really have my doubts this mare is reg. in the first place.. I would never take someones word on something like this unless papers are in hand. Just caulk this up as a lesson, dont take someones word unless theres proof.. Hugs to you but I dont think theres anything you can do at this point.
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kylee501 - 2018-07-11 4:52 PM Update:
Almost a week later and still nothing back from her, I do not have the colt back or has she sent me the papers on the mare. We met halfway on the trade so there is no way of knowing exactly where the colt will be. What would you do at this point? Let it be and just consider the mare grade?! She is bred too well and her siblings are all proven 1D horses that sell in the 5 figure money, so I am taking a big loss on not getting the papers. How would you know how she is bred never seeing papers on this mare? I really have my doubts this mare is reg. in the first place.. I would never take someones word on something like this unless papers are in hand. Just caulk this up as a lesson, dont take someones word unless theres proof.. Hugs to you but I dont think theres anything you can do at this point.
Yep, there may have never been papers to begin with. I really hope the mare is bred the way you think she is, but at this point, I'd be questioning that too. |
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Did you give her papers and transfer on the colt? NEVER do that when you haven't gotten the same thing in return. It's your only leverage.
ETA: It really sucks that you have to MAKE people do the right thing anymore. It really does. But I don't even give papers and transfer to my friends when they buy/trade horses with me until I get what I need and was agreed on.
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| MS2011 - 2018-07-12 10:45 AM Call AQHA and get a duplicate set of papers for the mare.
Can I do this even though she isn't in my name? |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2018-07-11 5:59 PM kylee501 - 2018-07-11 4:52 PM Update:
Almost a week later and still nothing back from her, I do not have the colt back or has she sent me the papers on the mare. We met halfway on the trade so there is no way of knowing exactly where the colt will be. What would you do at this point? Let it be and just consider the mare grade?! She is bred too well and her siblings are all proven 1D horses that sell in the 5 figure money, so I am taking a big loss on not getting the papers. How would you know how she is bred never seeing papers on this mare? I really have my doubts this mare is reg. in the first place.. I would never take someones word on something like this unless papers are in hand. Just caulk this up as a lesson, dont take someones word unless theres proof.. Hugs to you but I dont think theres anything you can do at this point.
I did some digging and found her breeder's website and the pictures on the site do confirm this mare's breeding. It's a lesson learned for sure, just frustrating that you can't trust anyone anymore. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | kylee501 - 2018-07-12 12:19 PM MS2011 - 2018-07-12 10:45 AM Call AQHA and get a duplicate set of papers for the mare. Can I do this even though she isn't in my name?
Do you know this horses reg. name or her reg. number? And you cant get the duplicate papers unless she is under your name.  |
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MS2011 - 2018-07-12 10:45 AM Call AQHA and get a duplicate set of papers for the mare.
Can I do this even though she isn't in my name?
You're SOL without a transfer. Even if you had a transfer the owner by AQHA records has to apply for any replacement of the papers. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | kylee501 - 2018-07-12 12:24 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-07-11 5:59 PM kylee501 - 2018-07-11 4:52 PM Update:
Almost a week later and still nothing back from her, I do not have the colt back or has she sent me the papers on the mare. We met halfway on the trade so there is no way of knowing exactly where the colt will be. What would you do at this point? Let it be and just consider the mare grade?! She is bred too well and her siblings are all proven 1D horses that sell in the 5 figure money, so I am taking a big loss on not getting the papers. How would you know how she is bred never seeing papers on this mare? I really have my doubts this mare is reg. in the first place.. I would never take someones word on something like this unless papers are in hand. Just caulk this up as a lesson, dont take someones word unless theres proof.. Hugs to you but I dont think theres anything you can do at this point.
Why dont you just call the breeder and talk to them, I would be curious and ask about the sale of this mare to this person that you traded with, heck you never know they may still have the papers on this mare, sometimes this happens when selling a horse to get them off your feed bill the seller may have let her take the mare on payments but holding the papers untill the mare is payed off, maybe this could be the case, so I would call just to check, like I said you never know. This person you traded with sounds really shady anyways.. |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2018-07-12 1:23 PM kylee501 - 2018-07-12 12:24 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-07-11 5:59 PM kylee501 - 2018-07-11 4:52 PM Update:
Almost a week later and still nothing back from her, I do not have the colt back or has she sent me the papers on the mare. We met halfway on the trade so there is no way of knowing exactly where the colt will be. What would you do at this point? Let it be and just consider the mare grade?! She is bred too well and her siblings are all proven 1D horses that sell in the 5 figure money, so I am taking a big loss on not getting the papers. How would you know how she is bred never seeing papers on this mare? I really have my doubts this mare is reg. in the first place.. I would never take someones word on something like this unless papers are in hand. Just caulk this up as a lesson, dont take someones word unless theres proof.. Hugs to you but I dont think theres anything you can do at this point.
You have a really good point, which is maybe where the "i need cash for the mare" is coming in. Hmmm...you really have me thinking now lol. Shady is an understatment for this person, I should have walked away in the beginning when I saw red flags. Live and you learn.  Link to the mare is below.
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Location: Arkansas | It's unethical people like this that cause others to not want to trade with honest people like me...i have a very nice mare with anhidrosis during July, August, Sept. when it is super humid and she is so miserable during those months even with her medicine plus a mister that i thought i would try to trade her to a home up North where she would be much more comfortable and could excel, I was totally honest about her to each person i reached out to but no one seems to want to trade these days and i imagine it's because of these type situations...SMH...guess i may have to build her an a/c stall. |
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| moorehorses - 2018-07-12 2:09 PM
It's unethical people like this that cause others to not want to trade with honest people like me...i have a very nice mare with anhidrosis during July, August, Sept. when it is super humid and she is so miserable during those months even with her medicine plus a mister that i thought i would try to trade her to a home up North where she would be much more comfortable and could excel, I was totally honest about her to each person i reached out to but no one seems to want to trade these days and i imagine it's because of these type situations...SMH...guess i may have to build her an a/c stall.
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Location: South Georgia | kylee501 - 2018-07-12 1:24 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2018-07-11 5:59 PM kylee501 - 2018-07-11 4:52 PM Update:
Almost a week later and still nothing back from her, I do not have the colt back or has she sent me the papers on the mare. We met halfway on the trade so there is no way of knowing exactly where the colt will be. What would you do at this point? Let it be and just consider the mare grade?! She is bred too well and her siblings are all proven 1D horses that sell in the 5 figure money, so I am taking a big loss on not getting the papers. How would you know how she is bred never seeing papers on this mare? I really have my doubts this mare is reg. in the first place.. I would never take someones word on something like this unless papers are in hand. Just caulk this up as a lesson, dont take someones word unless theres proof.. Hugs to you but I dont think theres anything you can do at this point.
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Location: Canada | Have you actually verified that the mare was in this person's name? Have you checked AQHA online. This mare may still be in the previous owners name. Have you tried calling the other person or just sending a message? If you tried calling then try calling from a different number and see if she will answer.
ETA - This mare is still listed in the breeders name.
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Location: Canada | BS Hauler - 2018-07-13 1:25 PM
So the seller doesn't have the papers on this horse. Its time to get your own horse back.
She can't. The person didn't respond to a message and she met half way so she doesn't know where they live. |
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Too Skinny
Posts: 8009
Location: LA Lower Alabama | Contact breeder and see if you send them some $$ if they will get papers and sign a transfer to you |
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 Elite Veteran
Posts: 950
Location: MO | Any updates?
I would be contacting the breeeder so you can at least get the papers in your name on the mare. Will be better for you in the long run. |
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Veteran
Posts: 141
| Start putting some pressure on her through FaceBook. |
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What would you do?! Opinions wanted!