|
|
Veteran
Posts: 226
 
| Critique my runs please...... I have a mare that is sooooo ratey around the barrels, I run her in an S Hack...... last year when I ran her in a bit she would STOP on the barrels when I would lift her off of them (although thinking about going back to a bit). She has been vetted and injected. She practices way better at home than away. I have tried calming paste (in the zone) I have tried the opposite to try and get more run. I have tired different supplements?? Any suggestions welcome!! She is currently getting Hemp oil, renew gold, Race today (she is a bleeder), and she is ran on lasix. I work her on barrels, I breeze her, she gets rode out. Any thoughts?? I will attach a couple videos from this last weekend. Thanks!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmter4gFgk8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj4iur1D6bo
|
|
| |
|
 No Tune in a Bucket
Posts: 2935
 
Location: Texas | Sorry. No suggestions but boy is she a turny thing. |
|
| |
|
Married to a Louie Lover
Posts: 3303
| Ride her right up in there. In the first video look at your upper body and where you start to sit up. Keep riding.
It’s hard, I have one myself who’s a ratey paint peeler, but once you get brave enough to throw caution to the wind and ride up in there like you don’t need no rate or pocket...He’s a ton of fun. |
|
| |
|
 Too Skinny
Posts: 8009
Location: LA Lower Alabama | Yours is a little more extreme than mine but I also have a ratey sucker so I will be watching this post. I noticed yours does the same as mine and comes off third good then shuts down before the timer. I have clear video of mine with her ears and head up. I would stop working barrels at all and maybe get a scope done after a run because she may be having breathing issues on top of the lasix? |
|
| |
|
Veteran
Posts: 226
| Valid point..... I just don't know what else it could be?? I do the flexineb the night before a run and 2 hours before I run her. I have tried every pre race everything under the sun on her. I have had one vet say she had asthma, which is why I bought the equi-resp and now the flexineb.
I feel like I need to learn how to ride more like Sarah Rose at the NFR a couple years ago!! That is what my horse reminds me of!! Now if I could just do that....... hmmmmmm :) Thanks ladies! I love hearing the stories and advice :)
|
|
| |
|
 Serious Snap Trapper
Posts: 4275
Location: In The Snow, AZ | I have a gelding that is very ratey... to the point where if he feels my body ask for the “sit and turn”.... he sits and turns. Regardless if we’re past the barrel. Lol, so I have been having to make great effort in riding him past the barrel before I cue with my body. I would really focus on riding more aggressively. Have you tried red cell? That has always given my horses extra “oomph”. Nice mare though! |
|
| |
|
 The Worst Seller Ever
Posts: 4138
Location: Oklahoma | If you could cut her steps down aroudn the barrel you would improve your time. You almsot need to try to change her to a rollback style. Dont anticipate the turn at all, drive to the fence if you can. Can you lope circles around a barrel freely? The type of circles that you would use to warm up. Maybe do that until she relaxes and moves out a little more freely??
Check her feet too. Mine is super tight like that and he gets worse if his tootsies are sore. |
|
| |
|
Veteran
Posts: 226
| Thanks ladies!! Yes I have tried Red cell, She has like crazy nutty energy, I am trying to figure what to give her to focus it correctly, I tried Zyklene..... uh that put her to sleep.... not good, so going to try in the zone. I tried red cell last year. Didnt notice a huge difference in her, but I have used that before and do like that stuff! So great recommendation, thank you for that!
As far as slow work, I am actually going to try and give her some zyklene tonight and work her tomorrow, she gets so **** crazy doing slow work, she had a pretty bad experience at a trainers and it just tore her little mind all to hell! So that is part of it I think , she is 9 and that was when she was 3 :( Poor thing!
I also have bought a dressage whip to try so I don't have to lean back to use anything when trying to encourage her not to rate?? Will keep everyone updated!! Thanks so much to everyone!!
|
|
| |
|
Gettin Jiggy Wit It
Posts: 2734
| stjelde - 2018-08-07 8:58 AM
Valid point..... I just don't know what else it could be?? I do the flexineb the night before a run and 2 hours before I run her. I have tried every pre race everything under the sun on her. I have had one vet say she had asthma, which is why I bought the equi-resp and now the flexineb.
I feel like I need to learn how to ride more like Sarah Rose at the NFR a couple years ago!! That is what my horse reminds me of!! Now if I could just do that....... hmmmmmm :) Thanks ladies! I love hearing the stories and advice :)
It's great you have a flexineb but that is just the beginning with a horse with equine asthma. The most important thing is dust management all day, everyday ... Water hay.... Low dust environment in turnout .. Keep stalling to a minimum.... And lastly the other important part of your nebulizer is what are you putting in it? Silver only helps open air ways because of the vapor (you could neb saline and have the same effect) and has the antimicrobial effect for bleeding. Are you actually using an actual Bronchodilator to open the air ways pre-race and a steroid to knock out mild inflammation from dusty environments at a barrel race? |
|
| |
|
 Elite Veteran
Posts: 966
Location: Loco,Ok | Horse is cowing the barrel. Comes in hunting them. And gets close bows off shuts down. Cow horses calf horses do the same. You get to pumping your body and makes it worse. Lock on to a cow,lock on to a barrel. Break the lock. |
|
| |
|
 Tough Patooty
Posts: 2615
Location: Sperry, OK | I would be careful how much red cell you give her, if she is a bleeder.. could quite possibly make her bleeding worse.
I would check her front feet to make sure they aren't sore, like Clover said.
Then I would work BIG like 30-40 foot circles around the barrels, lope them that big until she calms down (if you have to, lope from where you wourld start if you were running, lope down, lope BIG circle around the 1st barrel but instead of making a full circle, lope straight back to the start and keep doing this until she calms down and makes this quietly, then bring her in to the normal full circles around the barrel at 30ft). Once you have her loping quietly around the barrel at 30 feet, bring her in for a normal pocket sized turn, making a full rotation, keeping good forward motion all the way around, same distance all the way around - don't let her cut off a side like she wants to leave for the 2nd, then back out to big again. Keep her momentum moving forward. I would do this until you have good forward motion all the way around each barrel... then I would breeze her A LOT, and never do actual barrel work on her, only if she really needs to be corrected somewhere. Big cirlces and breezing, try to free her up some.
Also, I noticed in the first video you posted, you never kicked her one time anywhere in the patteren. You need to be hustling the whole way!
Edited by ACEINTHEHOLE 2018-08-09 12:39 PM
|
|
| |
|
 Extreme Veteran
Posts: 456
Location: SW MO | I had a horse that had this style, one thing I tried was to walk circles disengaging her hind end with my inside leg. I would walk circles like you would turn a barrel, and then really ask her to soften the ribs and move that hind end. Her legs were getting too sticky in the turn. It helped this mare alot. Her turns were much more fluid. |
|
| |
|
 Extreme Veteran
Posts: 407
| My horse is really ratey too. I started to run flag races on him to help him stretch our and run past some barrels. It really helps. I have not knocked any barrels since. |
|
| |
|
Married to a Louie Lover
Posts: 3303
| ACEINTHEHOLE - 2018-08-09 12:27 PM
I would be careful how much red cell you give her, if she is a bleeder.. could quite possibly make her bleeding worse.
I would check her front feet to make sure they aren't sore, like Clover said.
Then I would work BIG like 30-40 foot circles around the barrels, lope them that big until she calms down (if you have to, lope from where you wourld start if you were running, lope down, lope BIG circle around the 1st barrel but instead of making a full circle, lope straight back to the start and keep doing this until she calms down and makes this quietly, then bring her in to the normal full circles around the barrel at 30ft). Once you have her loping quietly around the barrel at 30 feet, bring her in for a normal pocket sized turn, making a full rotation, keeping good forward motion all the way around, same distance all the way around - don't let her cut off a side like she wants to leave for the 2nd, then back out to big again. Keep her momentum moving forward. I would do this until you have good forward motion all the way around each barrel... then I would breeze her A LOT, and never do actual barrel work on her, only if she really needs to be corrected somewhere. Big cirlces and breezing, try to free her up some.
Also, I noticed in the first video you posted, you never kicked her one time anywhere in the patteren. You need to be hustling the whole way!
Adding to the front feet...
I just got back from the vet. We had a couple bad runs last weekend and my gut just said something was off.
Sore toes in front. Due to poor balancing before we got him and some changes in P3 during that time that has made him sore now that we have changed his hoof balance. Still better than it was, but barefoot on the hard ground we’ve had lately just wasn’t working for him. So we came home with a new set of shoes. Sad, because I liked how easy and affordable barefoot was, but excited to run him soon and see how we get along!
Worth checking into |
|
| |
|
Veteran
Posts: 226
| Thank you everyone for the exercise suggestions!! I will be doing those for sure! I appreciate that!!
Her feet were just done at the vet, she has shoes all the way around. I had thought she might be sore so had her checked. I mean something could have been missed, but I have had her to a vet 3 times this year so I am pretty confident that she is feeling good in that area. I am a vet nut so take them there all the time.... a frequent flyer you might say :)
As far as nebulizing different things besides silver..... what do you recommend? Is it OTC? or is it something I would need to talk to the vet about? I do have some albuterol I got a long time ago..... I didn't notice a huge difference. It was about 4 years ago and the vet that I got it from wasn't really sure how much to use??
I don't use red cell with her anymore, I did, didn't notice a change, that was last year I tried it with her. But yeas since she is a bleeder I had read that maybe that wasn't the best choice.
For pre race right now I am trying in the zone since she is soooooooooooo high strung she is hard to get to concentrate. The other I have tried recently is OE Nitro.
Any other suggestions on supplements or nebulizing agents besides Silver are welcome!! I would really like to get more ideas!! Thank you everyone!!
|
|
| |
|
Veteran
Posts: 226
| And yes, I need to kick :( more, and more and more :( |
|
| |
|
Gettin Jiggy Wit It
Posts: 2734
| stjelde - 2018-08-10 9:04 AMThank you everyone for the exercise suggestions!! I will be doing those for sure! I appreciate that!!
Her feet were just done at the vet, she has shoes all the way around. I had thought she might be sore so had her checked. I mean something could have been missed, but I have had her to a vet 3 times this year so I am pretty confident that she is feeling good in that area. I am a vet nut so take them there all the time.... a frequent flyer you might say :)
As far as nebulizing different things besides silver..... what do you recommend? Is it OTC? or is it something I would need to talk to the vet about? I do have some albuterol I got a long time ago..... I didn't notice a huge difference. It was about 4 years ago and the vet that I got it from wasn't really sure how much to use??
I don't use red cell with her anymore, I did, didn't notice a change, that was last year I tried it with her. But yeas since she is a bleeder I had read that maybe that wasn't the best choice.
For pre race right now I am trying in the zone since she is soooooooooooo high strung she is hard to get to concentrate. The other I have tried recently is OE Nitro.
Any other suggestions on supplements or nebulizing agents besides Silver are welcome!! I would really like to get more ideas!! Thank you everyone!!
I'm not a fan of nebulizing anything that isn't proven or studied. Lungs are a sensitive delicate tissue and to me forcing them to breath in strong essential oils kind of freaks me out. Like I said I'd talk to your vet. He'd knows what's best for your particular horse and how he is doing at this moment.. But most importantly environmental management is the key not just nebulizing. There are a couple Bronchodilators and steroids you can try.. Obviously albuterol, ipratropium bromide (what I use in my nebulizer bec it lasts 4 to 6 hours) or ventipulmon syrup. For steroids Oral dex, mdi fluticasone human inhalers and budesonide/pulmicort nebulize solution (That is what I use in my nebulizer). His breathing maybe ok and it's a foot, hock or something else issue. I see you said that you were to the vet. So the biggest question is... Is the ratey thing a new issue?
Edited by WetSaddleBlankets 2018-08-10 10:50 AM
|
|
| |
|
Veteran
Posts: 226
| Nope! She has always been ratey!! Not a new thing..... been ratey since the first day she has ran barrels. She is worse indoors obviously. When she gets around them she is so fun! But it is a challenge!
She has had her hocks and stifles injected, is on daily supplements, chiroed evey six weeks, feet done every 5. As far as Asthma, I have had one vet when she was 5 say that to me, it was just a thought, I beleive it was she is bleeding and the vet didn't really know performance horses. I will talk to my vet about specific things to nebulize with, thank you for the ideas!
|
|
| |
|
 Did I miss the party?
Posts: 3864
| This isn't about supplements, your horse's hind end needs to move in a turn. I'd start away from the barrels and teach her to lope a correct circle, fully engaged with all four feet. Start large and move down in size. Keep her soft in the face (snaffle preferred) and focus on riding/pushing the hind end to move more than anything. Then move back to doing that around a barrel and progress from there. |
|
| |
|
 Balance Beam and more...
Posts: 11493
Location: 31 lengths farms | clampitt - 2018-08-10 5:00 AM
Horse is cowing the barrel. Comes in hunting them. And gets close bows off shuts down. Cow horses calf horses do the same. You get to pumping your body and makes it worse. Lock on to a cow,lock on to a barrel. Break the lock.
Yep!!! |
|
| |
|
  Sock eating dog owner
Posts: 4553
Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | Dont use red cell up vitamin E, Bio hesper C/K (build lung capilarie),dont do barrels, take out to a straight track/road/pasture, haul butt dont shut down till your ready, then go trail ride ,no turning. Instead of calming paste add magnesium and B 1 to the diet. use your saddle horn more, stay off her face. DMG, calcium/phosphrous works well with bleeders. |
|
| |
|
Veteran
Posts: 226
| Thank you everyone!! |
|
| |
Help!! My horse is tooooo dang Ratey!!