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Location: USA | I need some feedback if anyone else has ever experienced this. Yes I have talk to my vet and his first suggestions was to treat him for ulcers (which I am doing.. 4 weeks). He said it will be very expensive to try to figure out what is going on so we are starting with that.
My colt 3yr old has what I call colic bouts. He paws, wants to lay down flat out, roll a little. When he is having this bout he has really good gut sounds, will pass gas. This bout last about an hour. It stops as fast as it starts. I've called the vet out and by the time he gets there it's over. He goes back to normal. He does this frequently. I would say once a week, maybe a little longer and these are times I see it happen. He has done it on hay and pasture. Doesn't seem to matter what he is eating. Anyone experience this or have any idea what could be going on.... any ideas of what direction I can push my vet to look.
He is healthy.. Good coat and great body condition.
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Location: Willows, CA | What is his diet? Call me.
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| Sounds like a possible Entrolith to me. Stone. It can stay in one spot then suddenly move. Then move again just as fast when it’s over. |
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Location: "Si Fi" Ville | Check for hernias, also this will sound off the wall but has he been gelded in the last 6 months? |
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Location: South Georgia | Ulcers. My new horse did same thing. He had 3 bouts of "colic" but he was passing manure, good gut sounds, no temp, no other negative signs. He would lay down rapidly and frequently, seem panicked, look at his sides, and roll around. Never went off his feed. About 10 minutes after banamine, he was back to his normal self. We thought it was colic the first time, but vet was skeptical becuase of gut sounds and passing of normal manure entire time. I treated for ulcers (Abgard--generic omeprazole) and he never did it again. His body condition never worsened, he was never nasty, never cinchy. But now, after Abgard, he is super calm.
Edit: BTW, he had actually been on a T.H.E. ulcer preventative daily supplement, but it wasn't effective enough for him I guess.
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Location: Claremore, OK | I had a horse that had a bot infestation that showed the exact same symptoms. |
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Location: USA | treasurehunter - 2018-08-15 12:38 AM Check for hernias, also this will sound off the wall but has he been gelded in the last 6 months?
He had hernia surgery last fall. He's been gelded for a couple years now. |
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Location: USA | horsegirl - 2018-08-15 6:43 AM Ulcers. My new horse did same thing. He had 3 bouts of "colic" but he was passing manure, good gut sounds, no temp, no other negative signs. He would lay down rapidly and frequently, seem panicked, look at his sides, and roll around. Never went off his feed. About 10 minutes after banamine, he was back to his normal self. We thought it was colic the first time, but vet was skeptical becuase of gut sounds and passing of normal manure entire time. I treated for ulcers (Abgard--generic omeprazole) and he never did it again. His body condition never worsened, he was never nasty, never cinchy. But now, after Abgard, he is super calm.
Edit: BTW, he had actually been on a T.H.E. ulcer preventative daily supplement, but it wasn't effective enough for him I guess.
That was my thought too... ulcers. I am treating him right now for them. I also give him Zesterra 2-3 times a week. How long did you treat him for ulcers? 30 days or did you have to go longer. I'm coming towards the end of my 30 days. |
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Location: USA | Liana D - 2018-08-15 7:28 AM I had a horse that had a bot infestation that showed the exact same symptoms.
This was another thing on my list to check.... |
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Location: South Georgia | The Abgard is a paste and quite affordable. I did 12 days full dose and then half dose for another 5. Technically they suggest 28 days. I am a rebel. LOL I used it previously on a different horse for a full 28 days though.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I had one do this a few years back, it was his feed.. Took him off of it, started him on a pelleted and less of it and gave more hay and he stoped doing that. But now hes turned out on pasture for other reasons and he still good, I think feed could be alot of problems so pay attention to him after you feed and watch. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | My boy did this when he was young. I out him on the ulcer treatment from THE and that solved the issue. |
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Location: USA | Southtxponygirl - 2018-08-15 9:11 AM I had one do this a few years back, it was his feed.. Took him off of it, started him on a pelleted and less of it and gave more hay and he stoped doing that. But now hes turned out on pasture for other reasons and he still good, I think feed could be alot of problems so pay attention to him after you feed and watch.
I just feed him alfalfa hay and he get 1 lb of whole oats with his supplement and ulcer meds. I don't feed processed feeds. We farm so we grow our own hay and grain. He's done it both on hay and pasture. |
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| Lookin For Diamonds - 2018-08-15 1:09 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2018-08-15 9:11 AM I had one do this a few years back, it was his feed.. Took him off of it, started him on a pelleted and less of it and gave more hay and he stoped doing that. But now hes turned out on pasture for other reasons and he still good, I think feed could be alot of problems so pay attention to him after you feed and watch.
I just feed him alfalfa hay and he get 1 lb of whole oats with his supplement and ulcer meds. I don't feed processed feeds. We farm so we grow our own hay and grain. He's done it both on hay and pasture.
Could it be an allergy to the alfalfa or grass hay? Please let us know if you figure it out. |
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Location: USA | GLP - 2018-08-15 3:12 PM Lookin For Diamonds - 2018-08-15 1:09 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-08-15 9:11 AM I had one do this a few years back, it was his feed.. Took him off of it, started him on a pelleted and less of it and gave more hay and he stoped doing that. But now hes turned out on pasture for other reasons and he still good, I think feed could be alot of problems so pay attention to him after you feed and watch. I just feed him alfalfa hay and he get 1 lb of whole oats with his supplement and ulcer meds. I don't feed processed feeds. We farm so we grow our own hay and grain. He's done it both on hay and pasture. Could it be an allergy to the alfalfa or grass hay? Please let us know if you figure it out.
I have a vet apt Friday. We are doing a full workup on him... blood, rectal, fecal, and anything else they come up with. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | GLP - 2018-08-15 3:12 PM Lookin For Diamonds - 2018-08-15 1:09 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-08-15 9:11 AM I had one do this a few years back, it was his feed.. Took him off of it, started him on a pelleted and less of it and gave more hay and he stoped doing that. But now hes turned out on pasture for other reasons and he still good, I think feed could be alot of problems so pay attention to him after you feed and watch. I just feed him alfalfa hay and he get 1 lb of whole oats with his supplement and ulcer meds. I don't feed processed feeds. We farm so we grow our own hay and grain. He's done it both on hay and pasture. Could it be an allergy to the alfalfa or grass hay? Please let us know if you figure it out.
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Location: Texas | Lookin For Diamonds - 2018-08-15 3:35 PM
GLP - 2018-08-15 3:12 PM Lookin For Diamonds - 2018-08-15 1:09 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-08-15 9:11 AM I had one do this a few years back, it was his feed.. Took him off of it, started him on a pelleted and less of it and gave more hay and he stoped doing that. But now hes turned out on pasture for other reasons and he still good, I think feed could be alot of problems so pay attention to him after you feed and watch. I just feed him alfalfa hay and he get 1 lb of whole oats with his supplement and ulcer meds. I don't feed processed feeds. We farm so we grow our own hay and grain. He's done it both on hay and pasture. Could it be an allergy to the alfalfa or grass hay? Please let us know if you figure it out.
I would be curious to see what an abdominal ultrasound shows you. Since you are going on Friday. |
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Location: Carpenter, WY | you might dissolve one of his stools and check for sand? I'm not sure where you are, but this time of year when our pasture gets short I give them sand clear once a month. |
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Location: Arkansas | How did the appointment go? |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Chandler's Mom - 2018-08-18 2:27 PM How did the appointment go?
I was wondering the same thing |
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Location: USA | Vet did a full work up on him.. Blood panel, fecal and a rectal with an ultra sound. The ultra sound turned out good, everything looked great... kindney's looked good, everything was normal size, nothing unusal, no tumor (which I was concerned about). No sand, waiting on the fecal and the blood panel that shows minerals. His other blood test came back all normal. The vet agreed it sounded like he is having gassy colic bouts. Where it comes and goes so fast. Just need to figure out what is causing it. I'm doing another month of ulcer meds. I didn't realize that the first round of meds they gave me had the wrong size scoop with it so here I've only been giving him 1/2 a dose for the past month. So now I have him on full dose. My vet was going to call WSU and run everything past them to see what they think. So I'm thankful everything looks good... just would like to know the why and what I can do to stop it. |
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Location: Arkansas | Lookin For Diamonds - 2018-08-18 9:36 PM
Vet did a full work up on him.. Blood panel, fecal and a rectal with an ultra sound. The ultra sound turned out good, everything looked great... kindney's looked good, everything was normal size, nothing unusal, no tumor (which I was concerned about). No sand, waiting on the fecal and the blood panel that shows minerals. His other blood test came back all normal. The vet agreed it sounded like he is having gassy colic bouts. Where it comes and goes so fast. Just need to figure out what is causing it. I'm doing another month of ulcer meds. I didn't realize that the first round of meds they gave me had the wrong size scoop with it so here I've only been giving him 1/2 a dose for the past month. So now I have him on full dose. My vet was going to call WSU and run everything past them to see what they think. So I'm thankful everything looks good... just would like to know the why and what I can do to stop it.
I'm glad things turned out good for him and hope that you can figure out what's causing it.
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| You might try running a treatment of Psyllium through him. He could have sand in his gut. It will cause them to have colic like your mentioning. |
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Location: USA | jake16 - 2018-08-18 10:25 PM does he have full turn out?
yes he has a big pen |
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| readytorodeo - 2018-08-19 5:41 AM
You might try running a treatment of Psyllium through him. He could have sand in his gut. It will cause them to have colic like your mentioning.
She said in her update post above , there was no sand. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I wonder if the oats or alfalfa could be giving him gas colic, I would take him off alfalfa for a few months to see if that makes a difference then if not then I would take him off the oats for awhile too and see if theres a difference. I really think one or the other could be messing with him. |
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Location: Texas | Give him some Beano, it willstop a gassy tummy in about 15 minutes.
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Location: Carpenter, WY | we had a horse that had reoccuring bouts of gas colic and finally lost him. The neucropsy found that his cecum was about 3 times larger than it should be and that was the reason for the gas colics. Never would have known without the neucropsy. |
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