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| Kay-DRacing. - 2018-08-23 8:16 AM Which would you recommend? Have you personally used & seen results?
I never used the options above, but my horse has terrible allergies. Gets hives and produces extra mucous making it hard to breath when he runs ... best results I have had is giving generic Zyrtec. I buy the Costco brand (its like 365 pills for $15) and I give him 7 a day. This was actually recommended by my vet. |
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| My vet carries a product called Kinetic Vet Skin and Allergy SA. Runs 55.00 a month for two horses.. I have seen just as good of results with it as curost and there is 100mg HA in there just in case it actually does something for joints. lol |
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Location: Way up North | I had great luck in the past with Cur-Ost and so did my friend. It is really expensive so I only used it during the riding months but I would use it again if I had a horse with allergies or breathing issues. |
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Location: Muskogee, OK | Have had great results with Platinum Skin and Allergy. |
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| barrelracingchick16 - 2018-08-23 3:48 PM
Have had great results with Platinum Skin and Allergy.
Love this product. My mare has done well on it. No dex shots since I have been using it |
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Location: North Dakota | I have used all of them on my mare with COPD. CurOST was awesome but about broke me financially. I used CurOST on and off for 2 years. There are no other products out there like CurOST and you do get results.
ForeFront worked pretty well. I used it during late summer into fall for about 5 months and my mare never regressed. I would use their products again if the need came up.
Silverlining I used one bag, so I only used it about 60 days. It wasn't terrible but didn't thrill me for my mare. My mare has had COPD for years so she is more advanced than just allergies. I do think Silver lining makes quality products and wouldn't hesitate to try them again in the future if needed.
Each horse responds differntly.
What you decide you need to likely address both the inflammatory response and the immune response.
-Curost Total and Immune.
-Forefront Allstar or ForeResp and Colostrum
-Silverlining Resp and Immune
My favorite though is a product you didn't list. I have seen awesome results using Green Lipped Mussel on my mare with COPD and my gelding with arthrtis. I have been using it since Feb of this year and I just give 1-2 grams daily and my 25 year old gelding feels fantastic and his sweet itch is significantly better while on it compared to past summers. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Just a quick note for those of you that had used Cur-ost in the past and found it too expensive, they have a standard 15% discount if you buy 2 or more products, do not have to be the same item and shipping is free for ground. I had gone back and tried other products also because of the cost, was not happy AT ALL with the lack of results. Thankfully the discount was made available  |
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Location: North Dakota | Uckelele LUNG and Hydroxazine.
My horse would not eat the others.....
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| run n rate - 2018-08-27 2:45 PM
Just a quick note for those of you that had used Cur-ost in the past and found it too expensive, they have a standard 15% discount if you buy 2 or more products, do not have to be the same item and shipping is free for ground. I had gone back and tried other products also because of the cost, was not happy AT ALL with the lack of results. Thankfully the discount was made available
True, but they simply raised the cost of the formulas and offered free shipping. Total used to be 120.00 a bag. Now its 125.00 but free shipping. Your paying the same. . And yea, buying two or more gets you the 15% discount, but some people can't drop 250.00 for 2 bags of total all at once.
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Location: MN | Thanks for the replies! I have a lot to think about.
I'm experimenting with not feeding oats right now and he seems to be getting better. Putting him on a supplement would be my last resort so your input is appreciated!! I cannot find clean oats where I live and I've tried every feed store and every co-op/elevator around me. His coughing has decreased significantly since I have cut the oats.
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Have you thought about just putting him on a complete feed? That would really cut the dust, especially if you soaked it just a little too. Is he dry lotted? |
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Location: MN | oija - 2018-08-28 11:28 AM Have you thought about just putting him on a complete feed? That would really cut the dust, especially if you soaked it just a little too. Is he dry lotted?
He was getting oats and RG. I replaced the oats with Purina Growth although I really like to stay away from processed feeds. I've only heard him cough 3 times since adding it when before with the oats, it was the entire time he ate.
He's on a small pasture with my other gelding with basically no grass since we didnt have rain for almost 2 months straight. They have access to grass hay 24/7 and 2 large flakes of alfalfa at night. No dust.
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Kay-DRacing. - 2018-08-28 11:37 AM
oija - 2018-08-28 11:28 AM Have you thought about just putting him on a complete feed? That would really cut the dust, especially if you soaked it just a little too. Is he dry lotted?
He was getting oats and RG. I replaced the oats with Purina Growth although I really like to stay away from processed feeds. I've only heard him cough 3 times since adding it when before with the oats, it was the entire time he ate.
He's on a small pasture with my other gelding with basically no grass since we didnt have rain for almost 2 months straight. They have access to grass hay 24/7 and 2 large flakes of alfalfa at night. No dust.
How old is he?
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Location: MN | oija - 2018-08-28 11:59 AM Kay-DRacing. - 2018-08-28 11:37 AM oija - 2018-08-28 11:28 AM Have you thought about just putting him on a complete feed? That would really cut the dust, especially if you soaked it just a little too. Is he dry lotted? He was getting oats and RG. I replaced the oats with Purina Growth although I really like to stay away from processed feeds. I've only heard him cough 3 times since adding it when before with the oats, it was the entire time he ate.
He's on a small pasture with my other gelding with basically no grass since we didnt have rain for almost 2 months straight. They have access to grass hay 24/7 and 2 large flakes of alfalfa at night. No dust.
How old is he?
Year old as of May 7th. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | FLITASTIC - 2018-08-29 7:29 AM
run n rate - 2018-08-27 2:45 PM
Just a quick note for those of you that had used Cur-ost in the past and found it too expensive, they have a standard 15% discount if you buy 2 or more products, do not have to be the same item and shipping is free for ground. I had gone back and tried other products also because of the cost, was not happy AT ALL with the lack of results. Thankfully the discount was made available
True, but they simply raised the cost of the formulas and offered free shipping. Total used to be 120.00 a bag. Now its 125.00 but free shipping. Your paying the same. . And yea, buying two or more gets you the 15% discount, but some people can't drop 250.00 for 2 bags of total all at once.
Again, you do not have to purchase 2 bags of the Total to get the discount...You can mix and match, they do not have to be like items any longer. Trust me, I know how expensive it is. I've also tried other products with very little success for my horses. Just like us, certain horses respond to different products. I have one that the ENC Joint plus did nothing for, the head shaker mare it made a significant change for. I was just trying to pass along some information that I thought may be helpful .
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Location: Gainesville, TX | You can always soak the hay too. We have fed Purina's Ultium Growth and ours did look good on it. But grass of most kinds can cause reactions and grass hay can also be bad about being dusty. I am sure I am not telling you anything you don't know. I do know with older horses switching entirely over to a feed like Equine Senior and no hay works for some horses. But he is a bit young and needs more protein/minerals than Senior provides.
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Location: MN | oija - 2018-08-28 12:32 PM You can always soak the hay too. We have fed Purina's Ultium Growth and ours did look good on it. But grass of most kinds can cause reactions and grass hay can also be bad about being dusty. I am sure I am not telling you anything you don't know. I do know with older horses switching entirely over to a feed like Equine Senior and no hay works for some horses. But he is a bit young and needs more protein/minerals than Senior provides.
Thank you. Yes - I went to feeding soaked alfalfa cubes for a while until I could find nice alfalfa hay, which thankfully, I did! My grass hay is pretty good and he doesnt cough at all when eating hay. It was only when he was eating those dusty oats. I'm thinking since he has never really had "processed" feed, he may be eating it a little fast and that's why he coughs every once in a while. But like I said, he has gotten MUCH better.
Trail and error but I will figure him out eventually!
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| Kay-DRacing. - 2018-08-28 12:54 PM oija - 2018-08-28 12:32 PM You can always soak the hay too. We have fed Purina's Ultium Growth and ours did look good on it. But grass of most kinds can cause reactions and grass hay can also be bad about being dusty. I am sure I am not telling you anything you don't know. I do know with older horses switching entirely over to a feed like Equine Senior and no hay works for some horses. But he is a bit young and needs more protein/minerals than Senior provides. Thank you. Yes - I went to feeding soaked alfalfa cubes for a while until I could find nice alfalfa hay, which thankfully, I did! My grass hay is pretty good and he doesnt cough at all when eating hay. It was only when he was eating those dusty oats. I'm thinking since he has never really had "processed" feed, he may be eating it a little fast and that's why he coughs every once in a while. But like I said, he has gotten MUCH better.
Trail and error but I will figure him out eventually!
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| Kay-DRacing. - 2018-08-28 12:01 PM
oija - 2018-08-28 11:59 AM Kay-DRacing. - 2018-08-28 11:37 AM oija - 2018-08-28 11:28 AM Have you thought about just putting him on a complete feed? That would really cut the dust, especially if you soaked it just a little too. Is he dry lotted? He was getting oats and RG. I replaced the oats with Purina Growth although I really like to stay away from processed feeds. I've only heard him cough 3 times since adding it when before with the oats, it was the entire time he ate.
He's on a small pasture with my other gelding with basically no grass since we didnt have rain for almost 2 months straight. They have access to grass hay 24/7 and 2 large flakes of alfalfa at night. No dust.
How old is he?
if he is that young be very careful. He has severe allergies then. My gelding was diagnosed with equine asthma... Borderline copd at age 3. I messed around for 4 years with watering and steaming hay. Nothing helped and his BALs always came back with inflammatory cells. The best thing I did for him was take him completely off hay. He had severe exercise intolerance when I started him and I thought he'd barely make a trail horse. Now he's running 2d/3d his second year competing with limited hauling. If I wouldn't have intervened and got a good internal medicine vet in the picture he would have been junk. The other horse I spoke about above is my old horse. How lucky am I to have two! One with equine asthma and one that advanced to copd. Management is the key. |
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Location: Texas | I agree with Midwest's post. I have had the most success with a green lipped mussel product. I use a product made by Stride Animal Health called Rewind. Love it! http://strideanimalhealth.com/rewind-pellet/ |
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Location: North Dakota | TBone - 2018-09-01 8:10 AM I agree with Midwest's post. I have had the most success with a green lipped mussel product. I use a product made by Stride Animal Health called Rewind. Love it! http://strideanimalhealth.com/rewind-pellet/
That is the product that got me started and interested in green lipped mussel. I used rewind for a month or two on my copd mare and she did fantastic. I switched to Technyflex products as the cost is much more resonable. 250 grams for $115ish. You only feed 1-2 grams daily... lasts a long time. I got the same results. |
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Location: Texas | I looked into the Technyflex Equine. The levels of EPA & DHA are significantly lower than the Rewind, but the ETA is the same at the 2 scoop dose. My horses are over 1200lbs so I would need to feed 3-4 scoops. This ends up being more than the Rewind for me. I buy the Rewind in 50lb bags so it is a little cheaper. But I am glad the Technyflex is working for you at the lower dose & cheaper price! 
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | Feel free to message me. I've been feeding Cur-OST for over 3 years.... you have to realize everything you are benefiting from it long term. It's so much more than just a 'supplement' |
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Location: NE Texas | There's truly no substitute for the Cur-Ost program combined with a complete revamping of your feed program, removing all processed feed and other supplements. The things these products do for a horse, far beyond the allergies, are pretty amazing. It truly is an all in one in supplying a horse the nutrients it needs to ensure health from the inside out. No need for a stomach/ulcer product, joint product, etc....it's all there. Not to mention your horse will bloom, you will feed less as your horse will hold weight and do better on so much less.
I have used everything mentioned at one point or another and I can say with 100% certainty that Cur-Ost is the best, but I do feel like removing the processed feed and other products is equally important in getting the best results with this, or any program. |
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Location: MN | Herbie - 2018-09-07 8:30 AM There's truly no substitute for the Cur-Ost program combined with a complete revamping of your feed program, removing all processed feed and other supplements. The things these products do for a horse, far beyond the allergies, are pretty amazing. It truly is an all in one in supplying a horse the nutrients it needs to ensure health from the inside out. No need for a stomach/ulcer product, joint product, etc....it's all there. Not to mention your horse will bloom, you will feed less as your horse will hold weight and do better on so much less.
I have used everything mentioned at one point or another and I can say with 100% certainty that Cur-Ost is the best, but I do feel like removing the processed feed and other products is equally important in getting the best results with this, or any program.
I havent fed processed feeds for years until recently when I had to cut out oats. I replaced the oats with Purina Growth formula. He's been on it for 2 weeks now and within the first week he stopped coughing completely. He still gets 1 cup of RG with it twice daily.What would you suggest replacing oats with?
Soaking hay and what not is out of the question as I live in Northern MN and it is frozen up here for 6 months out of the year.
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Location: NE Texas | I would replace with Timothy or Timothy alfalfa hay pellets, moistened, depending on what type of other forage you're feeding. I feed one pound of Timothy hay pellets twice a day as my "mixer" and then feed grass hay (coastal b/c i'm in Texas and that's what is widely available) twice daily as well. I use the Standlee pellets simply because they're easy to get and all of my local farm and fleet carries them. |
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Location: MN | Herbie - 2018-09-07 9:20 AM I would replace with Timothy or Timothy alfalfa hay pellets, moistened, depending on what type of other forage you're feeding. I feed one pound of Timothy hay pellets twice a day as my "mixer" and then feed grass hay (coastal b/c i'm in Texas and that's what is widely available) twice daily as well. I use the Standlee pellets simply because they're easy to get and all of my local farm and fleet carries them.
He wont eat the pellets nor will he eat them soaked. Been there and have tried that haha! Hes a picky sucker. He will only eat the standlee alfalfa cubes soaked but like I said, those arent feasible for where I live and I dont have easy access to Timothy anything! My local L&M Fleet is a huge pain to deal with. |
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Location: NE Texas | Well that is crazy. Beyond that i'm no help. LOL Of course as i'm sure you've read, a horse who is a super picky eater is one that typically has leaky gut issues. They are seeking out that sugar b/c that is what the bacteria in their is craving and used to eating....that "sweet tooth" saying is truth. When we start thinking about cravings, it's due to what the organisms in our body are used to eating, and that is what people mean by "balance the gut"......it's getting the right mix of organisms in there. The reason he is a picky eater is due to the imbalance of bacteria and the things those bacteria feed on. When the bacteria in the body is balanced and the sugar cravers are weeded out, we crave different things and no longer have that big sweet tooth like before. But it doesn't happen overnight, for sure. I know when I originally made the switch to oats, my suuuuuuper picky eater looked at me like I had 3 heads and refused his new mix for about a week. He finally started nibbling a little and i'd just dump what he didnt' finish on top of his next serving. Every horse i've acquired has refused it at first, as most were on a commercial feed when I bought them, but then they turn into bucket lickers once they give in and get on the program. I refuse to feed anything commercial or processed so they don't have a choice but to figure it out and start eating what is provided. Haven't had one starve to death yet. LOL
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Location: MN | Herbie - 2018-09-07 11:37 AM Well that is crazy. Beyond that i'm no help. LOL Of course as i'm sure you've read, a horse who is a super picky eater is one that typically has leaky gut issues. They are seeking out that sugar b/c that is what the bacteria in their is craving and used to eating....that "sweet tooth" saying is truth. When we start thinking about cravings, it's due to what the organisms in our body are used to eating, and that is what people mean by "balance the gut"......it's getting the right mix of organisms in there. The reason he is a picky eater is due to the imbalance of bacteria and the things those bacteria feed on. When the bacteria in the body is balanced and the sugar cravers are weeded out, we crave different things and no longer have that big sweet tooth like before. But it doesn't happen overnight, for sure. I know when I originally made the switch to oats, my suuuuuuper picky eater looked at me like I had 3 heads and refused his new mix for about a week. He finally started nibbling a little and i'd just dump what he didnt' finish on top of his next serving. Every horse i've acquired has refused it at first, as most were on a commercial feed when I bought them, but then they turn into bucket lickers once they give in and get on the program. I refuse to feed anything commercial or processed so they don't have a choice but to figure it out and start eating what is provided. Haven't had one starve to death yet. LOL
I shouldnt say he's super picky. Ill rephrase and say that I tried to "make" him eat the pellets and tried to find the right amount of water content he liked (LOL) but he'd take a bite and leave it long enough to where it would smell bad. Then I was just dumping money on the ground! That's when I just decided to spend good money on quality alfalfa hay, which I get for pretty cheap up here. I really wish I could find good clean oats but for now, what I'm doing seems to be working for him. |
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