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Location: SW MO | I have been in the barrel racing community for over ten years. I always knew that some people used ace, reserpine, chlorpromazine, prozac, fluphenazine, guanabenz, etc.
Fast forward to now- I am in several Facebook groups and have read several... and I mean SEVERAL posts about the common use of these drugs. I understand there is a time and place for all of them. What I am shocked about is the large scale use for them. Is it really common? It seems like no one was willing to talk about using these, but now everyone is practically recommending the use of them. |
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| Not that it answers your questions, but this is a pretty good article.
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | GLP - 2018-09-24 4:43 PM I didn’t and no one in my family did and won’t now either.
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| Hard to compete against doped up horses...I still won't dope though. Sad how common it really is on ALL levels |
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Location: Kansas | That's why they have test barns at the race tracks.
Horses purchased off the tracks here in the U.S that go to Mexican tracks are injected with everything you can imagine. They don't care. I saved one from going there.
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | Meep.Meep - 2018-09-25 8:13 AM Hard to compete against doped up horses...I still won't dope though. Sad how common it really is on ALL levels
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Its been around for many many years, 35 plus that I know of.
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| my last few runs, while still taking off my elastics in the alley way, ive had people come up to me and give me unwanted advice of " you need to give a couple cc's of this or that to take her edge off"
its happened now around 7 times, I dont want too.. I'm not asking for your suggestions to drug my horse.
I'm sure some horses need and run just fine, but my moral compass says other wise, I dont want my horse running barrels in a fog, she is clear and focused, loves her job and ill keep it that way. |
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| It's also a lot more common for people to use these type of drugs today. I fought it for as long as I could, but having anxiety attacks everyday is horrible. I have been on Lexapro for several years and it has worked wonders for me. I say this because I'm sure a lot of horses don't need drugs to perform and people are using them as a training aid, but I also believe that some horses can greatly benefit as well. |
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| I'd say that they are far more common than you know of. For those that are willing to talk about it, there are many more that keep their mouth shut. |
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Location: SW MO | KindaClassey - 2018-09-25 11:14 AM
I'd say that they are far more common than you know of. For those that are willing to talk about it, there are many more that keep their mouth shut.
I agree with this. I haven't ever used anything on several very nice 1d/2d horses. It just shocks me how all of a sudden its like everyone is much more open than they used to be. |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | Mzbradford - 2018-09-25 12:26 PM KindaClassey - 2018-09-25 11:14 AM I'd say that they are far more common than you know of. For those that are willing to talk about it, there are many more that keep their mouth shut. I agree with this. I haven't ever used anything on several very nice 1d/2d horses. It just shocks me how all of a sudden its like everyone is much more open than they used to be.
Yes, that is what gets me too. Everyone talks about pastes and needles like it is just so common....took a weird breath here use that, stepped off here use this. Half the stuff I haven't even heard of lol I'm also naive I guess! |
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Location: Pelham, TN | Even at the jackpots they do, I laugh at the ones trying to find out if it will start on time and how many peewee and etc. so they can calculate when to give the shot. As for us we get a beat often but we are running our horse on lots of conditioning and a good feed program. |
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Location: Illinois | There was an older local guy around me that used to swear by giving them cocaine and I've heard of others doing it. Also was told it used to be very common on the racetrack. I didn't ask about it or why, I didn't want to even get that involved. I remember the first big race I went to (it was $10,000 added with a $60 entry fee so you can guess how many people that drew in) and you'd walk through the stalls and there would be more riders with needles & syringes than not. I watched one guy mix 5 different things in a 60cc syringe, it was red in color by the time he was done mixing, and right in the vein it all went. He was in the top 5 that day, I watched him run. I try to just ignore that stuff now. Another local girl runs her BB gelding on 6cc of ace, he runs with his manhood hanging down bc of it and she has given both her horses seizures from it at shows. Once they get up she gets right on and runs, doesn't care at all. That's quite extreme, 6cc of ace split betwene mine would have all 3 of them on the ground out cold.
I gave mine lasix bc he bleeds and previcox for the start of navicular, but otherwise he's clean. I had given some small doses of bute or banamine before when I'm at 4 day races, where we're usually stalled on concrete, but thats not for running thats just to help him be comfortable on the concrete. We're off the lasix now thanks to EquiPulmin & more exercise, which he thinks is a treat and licks it right out of the bowl so I feel much better giving that instead of being the girl who did have to calculate my time out to give the shot. Makes it easier even though I do have to pay attention to when I give the EquiPulmin. I do Gaatro-Plex paste too because it's proven to keep his ulcers away after years of fighting with the, and he also thinks it's candy too, so it's a win for him lol. But I feel like I have to do a lot and none of it gives me a competitive edge at all, just keeps the old man comfortable at 19. I won't ever dabble in the "weird" stuff that people give, like cocaine apparently |
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Location: Texas | JLazyT_perf_horses - 2018-09-27 10:14 AM
There was an older local guy around me that used to swear by giving them cocaine and I've heard of others doing it. Also was told it used to be very common on the racetrack. I didn't ask about it or why, I didn't want to even get that involved. I remember the first big race I went to (it was $10,000 added with a $60 entry fee so you can guess how many people that drew in) and you'd walk through the stalls and there would be more riders with needles & syringes than not. I watched one guy mix 5 different things in a 60cc syringe, it was red in color by the time he was done mixing, and right in the vein it all went. He was in the top 5 that day, I watched him run. I try to just ignore that stuff now. Another local girl runs her BB gelding on 6cc of ace, he runs with his manhood hanging down bc of it and she has given both her horses seizures from it at shows. Once they get up she gets right on and runs, doesn't care at all. That's quite extreme, 6cc of ace split betwene mine would have all 3 of them on the ground out cold.
I gave mine lasix bc he bleeds and previcox for the start of navicular, but otherwise he's clean. I had given some small doses of bute or banamine before when I'm at 4 day races, where we're usually stalled on concrete, but thats not for running thats just to help him be comfortable on the concrete. We're off the lasix now thanks to EquiPulmin & more exercise, which he thinks is a treat and licks it right out of the bowl so I feel much better giving that instead of being the girl who did have to calculate my time out to give the shot. Makes it easier even though I do have to pay attention to when I give the EquiPulmin. I do Gaatro-Plex paste too because it's proven to keep his ulcers away after years of fighting with the, and he also thinks it's candy too, so it's a win for him lol. But I feel like I have to do a lot and none of it gives me a competitive edge at all, just keeps the old man comfortable at 19. I won't ever dabble in the "weird" stuff that people give, like cocaine apparently
The seizures were probably unintentional carotid arterial punctures. A lot of people give IV shots too low in the neck and you're just asking to get the carotid when you do. Depending on what you give, an arterial injection can kill a horse. |
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Location: Illinois | casualdust07 - 2018-09-27 10:25 AM
JLazyT_perf_horses - 2018-09-27 10:14 AM
There was an older local guy around me that used to swear by giving them cocaine and I've heard of others doing it. Also was told it used to be very common on the racetrack. I didn't ask about it or why, I didn't want to even get that involved. I remember the first big race I went to (it was $10,000 added with a $60 entry fee so you can guess how many people that drew in) and you'd walk through the stalls and there would be more riders with needles & syringes than not. I watched one guy mix 5 different things in a 60cc syringe, it was red in color by the time he was done mixing, and right in the vein it all went. He was in the top 5 that day, I watched him run. I try to just ignore that stuff now. Another local girl runs her BB gelding on 6cc of ace, he runs with his manhood hanging down bc of it and she has given both her horses seizures from it at shows. Once they get up she gets right on and runs, doesn't care at all. That's quite extreme, 6cc of ace split betwene mine would have all 3 of them on the ground out cold.
I gave mine lasix bc he bleeds and previcox for the start of navicular, but otherwise he's clean. I had given some small doses of bute or banamine before when I'm at 4 day races, where we're usually stalled on concrete, but thats not for running thats just to help him be comfortable on the concrete. We're off the lasix now thanks to EquiPulmin & more exercise, which he thinks is a treat and licks it right out of the bowl so I feel much better giving that instead of being the girl who did have to calculate my time out to give the shot. Makes it easier even though I do have to pay attention to when I give the EquiPulmin. I do Gaatro-Plex paste too because it's proven to keep his ulcers away after years of fighting with the, and he also thinks it's candy too, so it's a win for him lol. But I feel like I have to do a lot and none of it gives me a competitive edge at all, just keeps the old man comfortable at 19. I won't ever dabble in the "weird" stuff that people give, like cocaine apparently
The seizures were probably unintentional carotid arterial punctures. A lot of people give IV shots too low in the neck and you're just asking to get the carotid when you do. Depending on what you give, an arterial injection can kill a horse.
Yes, I used to know her well and have watched her give IV shots, she goes in at a very straight angle. She does it often, I don't know why she doesn't just give it orally to save the trouble. When they do have seizures they flip over backwards every time, it will most likely take a broken back on one to get her to stop. Lord knows what the tree of her saddle looks like after all the impacts |
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| JLazyT_perf_horses - 2018-09-27 10:14 AM
There was an older local guy around me that used to swear by giving them cocaine and I've heard of others doing it. Also was told it used to be very common on the racetrack. I didn't ask about it or why, I didn't want to even get that involved. I remember the first big race I went to (it was $10,000 added with a $60 entry fee so you can guess how many people that drew in) and you'd walk through the stalls and there would be more riders with needles & syringes than not. I watched one guy mix 5 different things in a 60cc syringe, it was red in color by the time he was done mixing, and right in the vein it all went. He was in the top 5 that day, I watched him run. I try to just ignore that stuff now. Another local girl runs her BB gelding on 6cc of ace, he runs with his manhood hanging down bc of it and she has given both her horses seizures from it at shows. Once they get up she gets right on and runs, doesn't care at all. That's quite extreme, 6cc of ace split betwene mine would have all 3 of them on the ground out cold.
I gave mine lasix bc he bleeds and previcox for the start of navicular, but otherwise he's clean. I had given some small doses of bute or banamine before when I'm at 4 day races, where we're usually stalled on concrete, but thats not for running thats just to help him be comfortable on the concrete. We're off the lasix now thanks to EquiPulmin & more exercise, which he thinks is a treat and licks it right out of the bowl so I feel much better giving that instead of being the girl who did have to calculate my time out to give the shot. Makes it easier even though I do have to pay attention to when I give the EquiPulmin. I do Gaatro-Plex paste too because it's proven to keep his ulcers away after years of fighting with the, and he also thinks it's candy too, so it's a win for him lol. But I feel like I have to do a lot and none of it gives me a competitive edge at all, just keeps the old man comfortable at 19. I won't ever dabble in the "weird" stuff that people give, like cocaine apparently
Stuff that this makes me want to puke and cry.
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | OhMax - 2018-09-27 12:16 PM JLazyT_perf_horses - 2018-09-27 10:14 AM There was an older local guy around me that used to swear by giving them cocaine and I've heard of others doing it. Also was told it used to be very common on the racetrack. I didn't ask about it or why, I didn't want to even get that involved. I remember the first big race I went to (it was $10,000 added with a $60 entry fee so you can guess how many people that drew in) and you'd walk through the stalls and there would be more riders with needles & syringes than not. I watched one guy mix 5 different things in a 60cc syringe, it was red in color by the time he was done mixing, and right in the vein it all went. He was in the top 5 that day, I watched him run. I try to just ignore that stuff now. Another local girl runs her BB gelding on 6cc of ace, he runs with his manhood hanging down bc of it and she has given both her horses seizures from it at shows. Once they get up she gets right on and runs, doesn't care at all. That's quite extreme, 6cc of ace split betwene mine would have all 3 of them on the ground out cold. I gave mine lasix bc he bleeds and previcox for the start of navicular, but otherwise he's clean. I had given some small doses of bute or banamine before when I'm at 4 day races, where we're usually stalled on concrete, but thats not for running thats just to help him be comfortable on the concrete. We're off the lasix now thanks to EquiPulmin & more exercise, which he thinks is a treat and licks it right out of the bowl so I feel much better giving that instead of being the girl who did have to calculate my time out to give the shot. Makes it easier even though I do have to pay attention to when I give the EquiPulmin. I do Gaatro-Plex paste too because it's proven to keep his ulcers away after years of fighting with the, and he also thinks it's candy too, so it's a win for him lol. But I feel like I have to do a lot and none of it gives me a competitive edge at all, just keeps the old man comfortable at 19. I won't ever dabble in the "weird" stuff that people give, like cocaine apparently Stuff that this makes me want to puke and cry.
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Location: Texas | JLazyT_perf_horses - 2018-09-27 10:36 AM
casualdust07 - 2018-09-27 10:25 AM
JLazyT_perf_horses - 2018-09-27 10:14 AM
There was an older local guy around me that used to swear by giving them cocaine and I've heard of others doing it. Also was told it used to be very common on the racetrack. I didn't ask about it or why, I didn't want to even get that involved. I remember the first big race I went to (it was $10,000 added with a $60 entry fee so you can guess how many people that drew in) and you'd walk through the stalls and there would be more riders with needles & syringes than not. I watched one guy mix 5 different things in a 60cc syringe, it was red in color by the time he was done mixing, and right in the vein it all went. He was in the top 5 that day, I watched him run. I try to just ignore that stuff now. Another local girl runs her BB gelding on 6cc of ace, he runs with his manhood hanging down bc of it and she has given both her horses seizures from it at shows. Once they get up she gets right on and runs, doesn't care at all. That's quite extreme, 6cc of ace split betwene mine would have all 3 of them on the ground out cold.
I gave mine lasix bc he bleeds and previcox for the start of navicular, but otherwise he's clean. I had given some small doses of bute or banamine before when I'm at 4 day races, where we're usually stalled on concrete, but thats not for running thats just to help him be comfortable on the concrete. We're off the lasix now thanks to EquiPulmin & more exercise, which he thinks is a treat and licks it right out of the bowl so I feel much better giving that instead of being the girl who did have to calculate my time out to give the shot. Makes it easier even though I do have to pay attention to when I give the EquiPulmin. I do Gaatro-Plex paste too because it's proven to keep his ulcers away after years of fighting with the, and he also thinks it's candy too, so it's a win for him lol. But I feel like I have to do a lot and none of it gives me a competitive edge at all, just keeps the old man comfortable at 19. I won't ever dabble in the "weird" stuff that people give, like cocaine apparently
The seizures were probably unintentional carotid arterial punctures. A lot of people give IV shots too low in the neck and you're just asking to get the carotid when you do. Depending on what you give, an arterial injection can kill a horse.
Yes, I used to know her well and have watched her give IV shots, she goes in at a very straight angle. She does it often, I don't know why she doesn't just give it orally to save the trouble. When they do have seizures they flip over backwards every time, it will most likely take a broken back on one to get her to stop. Lord knows what the tree of her saddle looks like after all the impacts
Yep that's exactly how it looks when you give something in the carotid!
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | I don't barrel race anymore...I do Distance Competitive Trail (NATRC) one thing I like is the Drug Free sport policy. We have a list of prohibited substances and treatments and we do draw blood to test at rides. We don't test every horse/every ride...but often enough that it keeps people from going down that path. |
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| Would you group the calming pastes given 2 hours before a run, as harmful? Example, pastes that the Oxy Gen and other sites carry? |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | hershey - 2018-09-30 11:34 AM Would you group the calming pastes given 2 hours before a run, as harmful? Example, pastes that the Oxy Gen and other sites carry?
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| My horses get high quality forage and nutritional supplements including hemp and kelp. I have one mare who I have on GastroGuard sometimes due to her ulcers.
My mare will sometimes get a BCAA paste after her run to help recovery, it's just nutrients, amino acids and electrolytes.
My one gelding used to get really hot so I have him a dab of essential oil on his nose to help calm him. Worked like a charm!
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Location: Arizona | JLazyT_perf_horses - 2018-09-27 9:14 AM
There was an older local guy around me that used to swear by giving them cocaine and I've heard of others doing it. Also was told it used to be very common on the racetrack. I didn't ask about it or why, I didn't want to even get that involved. I remember the first big race I went to (it was $10,000 added with a $60 entry fee so you can guess how many people that drew in) and you'd walk through the stalls and there would be more riders with needles & syringes than not. I watched one guy mix 5 different things in a 60cc syringe, it was red in color by the time he was done mixing, and right in the vein it all went. He was in the top 5 that day, I watched him run. I try to just ignore that stuff now. Another local girl runs her BB gelding on 6cc of ace, he runs with his manhood hanging down bc of it and she has given both her horses seizures from it at shows. Once they get up she gets right on and runs, doesn't care at all. That's quite extreme, 6cc of ace split betwene mine would have all 3 of them on the ground out cold.
I gave mine lasix bc he bleeds and previcox for the start of navicular, but otherwise he's clean. I had given some small doses of bute or banamine before when I'm at 4 day races, where we're usually stalled on concrete, but thats not for running thats just to help him be comfortable on the concrete. We're off the lasix now thanks to EquiPulmin & more exercise, which he thinks is a treat and licks it right out of the bowl so I feel much better giving that instead of being the girl who did have to calculate my time out to give the shot. Makes it easier even though I do have to pay attention to when I give the EquiPulmin. I do Gaatro-Plex paste too because it's proven to keep his ulcers away after years of fighting with the, and he also thinks it's candy too, so it's a win for him lol. But I feel like I have to do a lot and none of it gives me a competitive edge at all, just keeps the old man comfortable at 19. I won't ever dabble in the "weird" stuff that people give, like cocaine apparently
Wow 6cc's of ace, that's insane!! I remember when i did cross country racing, 50 miles in a day, the most "dope" I would give my mustang was a shot of Red Cell..haha and away we went! Man crazy to hear what people to do just to try and win. Sad. :( |
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Location: Slipping down the slope of old age. Boo hoo. | Southtxponygirl - 2018-09-25 9:21 AM
Its been around for many many years, 35 plus that I know of.
You are young you will be hearing of more crazy things as you get older.
Yes, it's been around for years..... I can remember riding in my state high school rodeo finals in the early 70s and seeing folks 'shoot up' their barrel and pole horses just prior to their runs right there in the alley way....... Main-lining was a big thing back then. I remember being told they were giving them B12 straight to the vein. I actually have no idea what they were giving them. Personally, I've avoided giving my horses drugs unless it was a pain med to treat an injury. Just how I roll. And I've had to stand behind lots of horses in the awards presentations that were no doubt drugged. But, my conscious is clear.
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